what happened ?

I like how EVE players equate Incarna with Rouge Wedding 2014, when Incarna was merely an inconvenience compared with the massive amounts of time and money dust mercs have spent that will be mostly negated in the following months.

Unless you want to

Incarna was an EvE expansion released about 2 years ago now. When it was revealed they promised that EvE players would be able to walk around the Space Stations they stopped off in.

They would be able to socialise in pubs and clubs, push their wares in vibrant markets and AWOX to their hearts content in steam filled back alleys and 'private venues'.

Instead they were given the Captain's Quarters, which was the exact same as the merc quarters we are confined to, in addition upon its release CCP announced that the focus of EvE would be shifitng towards a free-to-play model with microtransactions. Kinda like how DUST is.

The EvE players were outraged, a riot was organised, in game. EvE pilots took their ships (expensive ones at that) to high security space, once their they opened fire upon a rather busy space station by the name of Jita. Of course since they were in high sec CONCORD intervened with Cruise Missiles, not that this stopped the pilots. Infact they 'rioted' for so long they actually eliminated the stations shields, (quite a feat considering jita is invincible).

CCP saw this and listened to EvE players and between the players and the devs shaped EvE into what it is today.
Its a bastion of CCPs, community centric ethos that they enjoy mentioning at every opportunity and rightly so.


However EvE players have got nothing on those of the DUST playerbase. First of all the game was changing it's goals, not its platform. In addition the Jita Riots show the freedom a real MMO playerbase has, they held a riot for crying out loud. By comparison what can DUST do? The only in-game protest I can think of is a 'sit-in' across molden heath.

But considering that, that was done as a way of locking districts, its hardly riotous behaviour. Hence why so many people have just quit like myself or biomassed completely, we have no other way of expressing our dissatisfaction.

We aren't happy that they intend to move Legion to PC-only. Personally I think Legion looks Amazing, but I want to enjoy it on my platform, on the console I was told I would be able to. That's all.

Yep. They went crazy. Which makes me smile that they now call you guys cry babies. There were so many tears

Correction, you could shoot at the statue all you wanted to and a conga line was formed orbiting it. Also, see my post above about money, time and support invested.

Correction, you could shoot at the statue all you wanted to and a conga line was formed orbiting it. Also, see my post above about money, time and support invested.

I like how EVE players equate Incarna with Rouge Wedding 2014, when Incarna was merely an inconvenience compared with the massive amounts of time and money dust mercs have spent that will be mostly negated in the following months.

I agree that is angering, and I don't know how much that would have cost, but even that is nothing compared to those who not only spent money on the game and possibly the PS3 just for the game, but spent money on air fare and lodging to go to FF and be publicly humiliated is a whole other ball game.

It is pretty well covered before up in the thread.

Eve players were crying non-stop over a little inconvienance.

No they are acting like they are above the dust bunnies who are going through something about 50 times worse.

Hypocrites.

My apologies, I wasn't their, this was a relayed account I was told a while ago. But my point still stands about the DUST side of things, I mean unless you want to try a sit-in with DNS.

You are either willfully ignorant or knowingly spreading blatant lies. Fix the former, stop the latter, or simply stop posting all together - I really don't care which.

Anyways, in case anybody actually believes you. Any progress you have made in Dust past, present or future will translate across into Legion. - the specifics of how this will work are up in the air, mostly because the specifics of how the corresponding systems in Legion will work is still up in the air.

Regardless of the specifics, your level of investment in Dust (time, monetary or otherwise) will be reflected in Legion.

End. Of. Discussion.

Hi guys

I'll do what I can to answer some of your questions over the next few days. :) It's only the first day after Fanfest so I'm a little weary, but I'll do my best! Some answers for you, based on what we know:

- Project Legion will be determined to be a "go" or a "no go" when Hilmar et al. sign off on it. We obviously really want it to grow in to a real boy and become everything this game's vision is made out to be. It's not at the point in development for that call to be made just yet.

- Character transfer is a no-brainer from a conceptual standpoint, but it's specifics are difficult from a development standpoint. I understand the frustration that it wasn't made crystal clear during the keynote. Let me elaborate a little as to why it's difficult, though. As presented in CCP Z's talk, we're working super hard on developing a progression system and economy that will kick ass. So, if some things may not exist or make sense should Legion become a reality, then those items couldn't carry over (in their current form, anyway). Rest assured though, we will do what we can to preserve what is currently there and figure out solutions for what is not. That is my current understanding. :)

The biggest part about the Jita protests was that it happened in systems that were crucial to the Eve economy. It paralyzed that entire part of the game, forcing people who weren't in the know to get involved too. The effect spread throughout the game and caused large disruptions in both game functions, but also server load. So there was that.

But also the thread totaling the number of people unsubscribing reached about 5,000 accts before it was locked. The actual number was probably much higher. But on those 5k alone, CCP was losing $75,000 a month in subscription revenue. THAT is what got their attention.

Guess which two things we can't really do?

A total misunderstanding of the situations - both the previous one EVE and the current one in Dust.

It was not about an inconvenience. - The 'Summer of Rage' was a result of growing player frustration over the previous 18 months of EVE's development and the direction CCP had been going in.

The current Dust situation is the console kiddies whining over CCP fixing their mistakes and switching to a system that can actually handle the damn game.

Yep. They went crazy. Which makes me smile that they now call you guys cry babies. There were so many tears

A total misunderstanding of the situations - both the previous one EVE and the current one in Dust.

It was not about an inconvenience. - The 'Summer of Rage' was a result of growing player frustration over the previous 18 months of EVE's development and the direction CCP had been going in.

The current Dust situation is the console kiddies whining over CCP fixing their mistakes and switching to a system that can actually handle the damn game.