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Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.05.04 06:57:00 -
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^Read title
& discuss
Ishukone loyalist and Caldari Scout enthusiast.
Nerf the CR so I can justify using something else!
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danie braz
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:00:00 -
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Stupid Blueberry wrote:^Read title
& discuss
Tiercide. Wont matter. End discussion. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
The East India Co.
3835
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:01:00 -
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danie braz wrote:Stupid Blueberry wrote:^Read title
& discuss Tiercide. Wont matter. End discussion.
You don't understand tiercide, start discussion...
Sir Hadah for CPM
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Gaelon Thrace
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
335
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:02:00 -
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Won't be no proto suits in Legion. No more tiers.
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Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
345
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:03:00 -
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Okay I missed that whole discussion due to rage and not being able to understand that french guy, Could someone elabaorate on how they're implementing tiericide?
Ishukone loyalist and Caldari Scout enthusiast.
Nerf the CR so I can justify using something else!
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
1533
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:04:00 -
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They mentioned that the Dropsuit was going to be the base. My guess is that everyone will have the same dropsuit but it is the modules that matters. Paraphrasing: "This is an economic problem. We can easily make sure that people are still spending the same isk overall. If a prototype suit is 60% of the current cost of a total prototype suit and 40% is the modules, it would change into 80% of the price would be the modules."
"People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
3013
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:05:00 -
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why are you guys discussing features in a game that may or may not be out in 2 years from now?
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
345
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:06:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:why are you guys discussing features in a game that may or may not be out in 2 years from now?
Because CCP said they want feedback on it.
Ishukone loyalist and Caldari Scout enthusiast.
Nerf the CR so I can justify using something else!
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
621
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:07:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:why are you guys discussing features in a game that may or may not be out in 2 years from now?
Guess it still hasn't fully sunk in with some people yet...
Now a very angry and Bitter Vet. CCP, you have further solidified my views that corporations are corrupt POS's.
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Gaelon Thrace
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
335
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:13:00 -
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Stupid Blueberry wrote:Okay I missed that whole discussion due to rage and not being able to understand that french guy, Could someone elabaorate on how they're implementing tiericide?
Simple. Their won't be any tiers. Instead they'll have what's equivalent to tech levels in EVE (though they didn't call them tech levels in the presentation). You start with a basic suit (light, medium, heavy. equivalent to rookie ships), progress into a role (scout, assault, logi, sentinel is what they have so far. equivalent to tech 1 ships), then into racial suits with a further specialized variation of your role (tech 2). All suits will be bpo's so that you won't spend all that time skilling into a suit and then never be able to use it because of an ISK barrier.
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Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
346
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:16:00 -
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Gaelon Thrace wrote:Stupid Blueberry wrote:Okay I missed that whole discussion due to rage and not being able to understand that french guy, Could someone elabaorate on how they're implementing tiericide? Simple. Their won't be any tiers. Instead they'll have what's equivalent to tech levels in EVE (though they didn't call them tech levels in the presentation). You start with a basic suit (light, medium, heavy. equivalent to rookie ships), progress into a role (scout, assault, logi, sentinel is what they have so far. equivalent to tech 1 ships), then into racial suits with a further specialized variation of your role (tech 2). All suits will be bpo's so that you won't spend all that time skilling into a suit and then never be able to use it because of an ISK barrier.
Racial? **** that. Every faction in EVE has it's own Ships with specific roles at different Tech levels (excluding ORE, they're sort of their own thing). I shouldn't be an Ishukone loyalist forced to wear a Gallente dropsuit, that's just wrong.
Ishukone loyalist and Caldari Scout enthusiast.
Nerf the CR so I can justify using something else!
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Gaelon Thrace
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
335
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:21:00 -
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Stupid Blueberry wrote:
Racial? **** that. Every faction in EVE has it's own Ships with specific roles at different Tech levels (excluding ORE, they're sort of their own thing). I shouldn't be an Ishukone loyalist forced to wear a Gallente dropsuit, that's just wrong.
That part's no different from what we have now, and that's just what's planned for release. They'll probably release faction suits later on. And faction ships in EVE still use the four racial skills. There's no Guristas Frigate skill.
And you get to choose your racial suit just like you do now. You're not forced into the suit of whatever race you chose at character creation.
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IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University
Ivy League
661
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:21:00 -
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Think we have to test the system before we can judge it.
Legion will be a different game from the onset, it just looks like DUST.
Recall the game doesnt do deathmatch at first, it wont be just a lobby shooter.
The skill system will allow personalized suits - like it.
More dependencies on fitting rather than tier (cause there are no tiers)
Judging peoples effectiveness by their gearscore is stupid but I get that they have no other metric at this time.
Again they didnt give us much to go on.
Something clever that makes people think Im not a bitter **.
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RemingtonBeaver
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
878
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:22:00 -
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It's going to be a Destiny clone with EVE stickers all over it.
Loot.
Garbage from a terrible EP with no actual vision, just trying to sell what's already selling.
Can CCP fire this guy and hire someone that gives a **** already?
Next up
Dustiny
Plants versus Mercenaris
AngryMCCs
GallenteCrush
@CCP Rouge: You don't sh*t where you eat. Idiot.
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Nevyn Tazinas
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:22:00 -
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BPO's are a terrible idea unless they require materials in general.
Aurum BPO's are an even worse idea.
The only 'free' suits should be special edition suits such as Templars or other special releases.
Everything else should cost, just like in EVE, (exception being a very very basic suit that is enough to start scraping together isk in highsec PvE). PvE removes the need to have BPO everything for free to make isk. |
Cosgar
9255
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:23:00 -
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And so it begins...
This community is the nail in Dust 514's coffin, waiting to be hammered in.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
9400
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:26:00 -
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No proto suits you inferior human swine.
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
13962
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:29:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:why are you guys discussing features in a game that may or may not be out in 2 years from now?
Because DUST 514 is now irrelevant, so it's better to talk about a game that actually matters and has a future.
LONG LIVE LEGION!
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Gaelon Thrace
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
335
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:30:00 -
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Nevyn Tazinas wrote:PvE removes the need to have BPO everything for free to make isk.
True. Especially since there will be more ways to make ISK with the player market and being able to sell salvage.
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Doctor Day
EoN Minmatar
219
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:36:00 -
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I agree
 No profanity at all......
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
13964
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:38:00 -
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I am far too single for that sig
:/
LONG LIVE LEGION!
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
8297
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:39:00 -
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Legion hasn't even reached closed beta yet. You don't know if it's a bad idea.
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
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medomai grey
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
682
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:43:00 -
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The idea is that they want players to use their suits. Currently, there are players that don't run their proto suits because it's expensive. And they felt this was wrong because the players in dust are suits, as EVE online players are ships and Valkyrie players are cockpits. Which kind of makes sense.
Not to sure if tiercide philosophy is being used in design. There were elements of tiercide in his presentation but no actual usage of the word tiercide.
Also not to sure what meta is. It wasn't described how replacing mlt, basic, adv, proto with meta would be different.
Medium frame EHP is not medium
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Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
346
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:45:00 -
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Gaelon Thrace wrote:Stupid Blueberry wrote:
Racial? **** that. Every faction in EVE has it's own Ships with specific roles at different Tech levels (excluding ORE, they're sort of their own thing). I shouldn't be an Ishukone loyalist forced to wear a Gallente dropsuit, that's just wrong.
That part's no different from what we have now, and that's just what's planned for release. They'll probably release faction suits later on. And faction ships in EVE still use the four racial skills. There's no Guristas Frigate skill. And you get to choose your racial suit just like you do now. You're not forced into the suit of whatever race you chose at character creation.
Alright, sorry about the excitement, you just confused me with your lack of clarity involving racial parity lol
Ishukone loyalist and Caldari Scout enthusiast.
Nerf the CR so I can justify using something else!
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Scrub Zero
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
352
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:49:00 -
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That's not pg....... lol
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xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
424
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:52:00 -
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I think CCP has got this right. The suits (move to modules) and the class system is exactly what dust/ legion needs.
back In 'beta' FPS players were arguing for this - Evetards kept on saying no its about power imbalance etc. By removing the power imbalance there will be more competitive matches, less passive incentives to not run 'higher suits' to save isk increasing the power imbalances, classes will be meaningful which combined with the previous will improve weapon, suit, equipment balancing.
Not everything that works for spaceships in Eve can work for an FPS boots on the ground. |
Nevyn Tazinas
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:53:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:
Also not to sure what meta is. It wasn't described how replacing mlt, basic, adv, proto with meta would be different.
If we assume it's like EVE.
Skill level 1. Get access to basic stuff.
Also get access to Meta stuff.
Meta stuff normally has at least one area it is superior in but can not be manufactured currently, requiring looting from PvE or players. Manufacturing in EVE may change soon but likely will still need PvE materials. So Meta 1 might be low CPU use modules, Meta 2 might be better ammo capacity, Meta 3 might be higher damage but lower RoF (Same DPS or slightly better but better ammo use at the same time), ETC. So each Meta has a special focus, as well as indicating how valuable the item is likely to be overall.
Meta 5 is also known as Tech 2, Which normally requires a specialist skill or maxing the basic skill. And can be built without needing to loot PvE.
Meta 6+ are faction/Officer variants. |
Gaelon Thrace
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
337
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:54:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:The idea is that they want players to use their suits. Currently, there are players that don't run their proto suits because it's expensive. And they felt this was wrong because the players in dust are suits, as EVE online players are ships and Valkyrie players are cockpits. Which kind of makes sense.
Not to sure if tiercide philosophy is being used in design. There were elements of tiercide in his presentation but no actual usage of the word tiercide.
Also not to sure what meta is. It wasn't described how replacing mlt, basic, adv, proto with meta would be different.
There's no need to call it tiericide if they aren't using tiers to begin with. Remember this is a new game being built from the ground up.
As far as meta levels, the suit progression is similar to tech levels in EVE, which have different meta levels. Also, salvage will come in three rarity levels, which will also have different meta levels.
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danie braz
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:56:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:danie braz wrote:Stupid Blueberry wrote:^Read title
& discuss Tiercide. Wont matter. End discussion. You don't understand tiercide, start discussion...
Explain |
xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
424
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Posted - 2014.05.04 07:58:00 -
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danie braz wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:danie braz wrote:Stupid Blueberry wrote:^Read title
& discuss Tiercide. Wont matter. End discussion. You don't understand tiercide, start discussion... Explain
google
or search forums |
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Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
886
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Posted - 2014.05.04 08:04:00 -
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Stupid Blueberry wrote:^Read title
& discuss
1. No proto suits (as in all suits are proto)
and / or
2. Proto weapons and modules will be much more expensive (and actually rare) than they are today. |
danie braz
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2014.05.04 08:12:00 -
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xAckie wrote:danie braz wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:danie braz wrote:Stupid Blueberry wrote:^Read title
& discuss Tiercide. Wont matter. End discussion. You don't understand tiercide, start discussion... Explain google or search forums
They are removing tiers. Except its not eve. Its legion/dust. The point is to not have isk sinks (i.e. lvl 5 cloaks). Those are the tiers they will remove as i understood. You specialize into your gamer style and equipment. Cant tell you about eve because i dont play it. So explain. Wont care to google it.
The way i see this tho is like going to a car dealer. You have ds ex gt ls versions of cars. Tiers. This way it would be that u buy the frame and then the other stuff is added on as u wish. V8 or v4 turbo engine. 18s or 20s. Pardon my ignorance if im wrong. Correct me if u wish. Discuss
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Timothy Reaper
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
890
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Posted - 2014.05.04 08:20:00 -
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xAckie wrote:I think CCP has got this right. The suits (move to modules) and the class system is exactly what dust/ legion needs.
back In 'beta' FPS players were arguing for this - Evetards kept on saying no its about power imbalance etc. By removing the power imbalance there will be more competitive matches, less passive incentives to not run 'higher suits' to save isk increasing the power imbalances, classes will be meaningful which combined with the previous will improve weapon, suit, equipment balancing.
Not everything that works for spaceships in Eve can work for an FPS boots on the ground.
Part of what attracted me to this game was the freedom of customization and risk/reward. What he described would turn it into a shoot-&-loot game like Borderlands with a few extra bells and whistles. Now Borderlands was fun, but it got boring pretty quickly.
Plus, why should we have to skill into a certain suit to unlock a certain weapon? Why revamp the skill tree into something that locks players into certain roles? For the new players? The skill tree isn't the problem, it's lack of new player training. While his ideas could improve new player experience, it's at the cost of the freedom allowed by the current system. Why can't there be a dropsuit version of ISIS?
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