EVE: Legion is certainly not as bad of an idea as it's being made out to be.

I'm still disappointed that Dust 514 will be neglected, though. Well, the PS3 was a dead console anyway.

Also,

You're MENSA to think that dust will be transfered.., this has already been confirmed as not being allowed


Sony owns the data, the data rights etc.. CCP is not allowed to use it or any part of it or refer to it.

Why would CCP want to? They wouldn't. They want everyone to start the game fresh. They want you to buy boosters and such on legion and make money.


So stop your lies.

"Put it out in front of them, see if they like it," he said. "EVR [later renamed Eve: Valkyrie] was a perfect example of that. Legion will or will not be an example of that, weGÇÖll see, and if Legion does well, great, weGÇÖll continue to invest in it. If it doesnGÇÖt, weGÇÖll open up some beers, have some fun and say, "'Ok, that was fun, letGÇÖs do something different now and go again.'"

CCP confirms, direct quotes from the VP, dust is dead, it will receive no more updates. Dust was a complete failure and they can no longer support it. Their team has been removed from dust and are laser focused on legion.

CCP stated otherwise about the data transfer.

CCP stated otherwise about the data transfer.

EVE: Legion is certainly not as bad of an idea as it's being made out to be.

I'm still disappointed that Dust 514 will be neglected, though. Well, the PS3 was a dead console anyway.

Sony owns the data, the data rights etc.. CCP is not allowed to use it or any part of it or refer to it..

Earlier today at the CCP Presents keynote presentation, CCP took the opportunity to respond to fears and complaints that have surfaced on the DUST 514 community forum. The official word is that DUST 514 isn't being shuttered and that development will continue, but CCP admitted that it will have less development time going forward. A promise was also made that if Legion goes ahead, the names and assets of every DUST player will be copied over to the new title.

What.

CCP has already stated that EVE: Legion is just an concept they came up with and were considering implementing, like EVE: Valkyrie. People liked the idea of EVE: Valkyrie, so it became an official thing. If people don't like the idea of EVE: Legion, they probably won't do it. Though this is under the assumption that CCP is being honest.

You should have read my footnote:

I swear, some of you guys either do. It or can not read.
The developers of dust 514 have been working on legion for 6 months. CCP ask given legion all the developers that were working on dust and said now they are laser focused and all hands on deck for legion. Read the quotes, read the articles on digital spy and polygon about dust being done and you can see there is no reason to have items/sp transferred. It causes more problems than the 5% of players it makes happy.

LEGION IS NOT A CONCEPT, ITS BEEN IN DEVELOPMENT FOR 6 MONTHS. HARDLY AN IDEA, ITS A 100% FULLY BEING DEVELOPED PROJECT.



I swear, you hear one CPM say something and you think his views are more important than what the VP of CCP said. Dust is dead, face it.





Here is transcript:

PCGN: Your blog post on the Dust website described Project Legion as "the experience we've all dreamt of". What I'm trying to get at is whether Project Legion is replacing Dust 514 as the FPS experience you guys want to make.

JCG: Well it's tough to say "replacing" today. Today we have [in Dust] a really strong product out live and doing well, while Project Legion is still in early development. Personally I find that, yes, [Project Legion] will complete that [Dust 514] vision, the vision of being on the ground in a first-person experience in EVE. It would absolutely complete and realise that vision.

PCGN: And that's not something you could do with Dust?

JCG: As I've described it a few times, it would be a bit like changing the engine of a plane in flight. Such severe changes to an already live experience, that's what triggered the development of Project Legion.



Ok, we know he is lying because CCP said its been 6 months in development. Months is 6. Hardly recent. Also, changing engine of a plane mid flight is terrible but true. Legion is replacing dust because dust failed and they are going to abandon ship.


Now if you want i can get you copy pastes of the fresh start, evolution, new beginning stuff too.

Leave you with this:

Dust has been doing a lot of right things, it's difficult now to finish, to close the loop in some... Nice eh?!


You want more examples?!? Digital spy has many quotes from vp of CCP saying its dead

On point 3, why should I have to buy a PC for one game? Seems like a waste of space to me.

I'm sorry, but I find this hard to believe. Where's your source?

Links or it didn't happen.

Here's my source:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/05/03/eve-fanfest-2014-ccp-responds-to-dust-514-rage-over-project-leg/


And here are more that contradict your claim:

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/playstation-3-s-shooter-dust-514-redesigned-for-the-pc-as-project-legion/1100-6419407/

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568643/dust-514-players-can-migrate-characters-to-project-legion.html#

http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/3/5678596/Project-Legion-Dust-514-CCP

http://www.vg247.com/2014/05/03/dust-514-development-hasnt-ceased-project-legion-allows-migration-to-pc-says-ccp/

Am I supposed to take your word for it? I haven't been able to find anything confirming your claims. So either you're not being totally honest here, or I suck at searching the internet. So, with all due respect, show us proof of the validity of your claims.

they didn't. they said 'applicable skills and items'.

that can mean almost anything, or nothing. i'll give you two guesses.

We won't leave any merc behind - rouge says that. Nice that his boss says otherwise. And according to the latest fan fest, they haven't decided but it's not looking good.


Yea: http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/3/5677566/Dust-514-project-legion-reaction

Here is what is going to happen:

"I ran DICE for awhile, and the first shooter game out of DICE was a game called Codename Eagle, which tons of people donGÇÖt know anything about, and never would, and probably shouldnGÇÖt," he told Polygon. "I think it sold like 20,000 units and got a 50 Metacritic, maybe a 40, something like that. It was horrible, and at the end of the day, teams usually have to do multiple iterations of something to get to something really great."

Or

And if people are like, GÇÿyou know what, thanks for all the fish and weGÇÖve moved,GÇÖ then we wonGÇÖt. ItGÇÖs as simple as that, and I think itGÇÖs true for any game service."

Or no plans for updates at http://www.digitalspy.ca/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#~oDgvSyczxFyCjF

"That's the risk of coming in early into Project Legion, but we're not good at keeping secrets away from our consumers," he explained.

Or you can go watch the youtube video in skill trees, where the guy off camera says they have transferred the team and are laser focused on legion.. Which team did they move, the dust team.

Neither of those articles claim that Dust 514 is dead, nor do they claim that data cannot be transferred. One of them (the Digitalspy article) has even been updated to say that, in fact, Dust 514 is still going to be supported and that data can be transferred.

CCP stated otherwise about the data transfer.

Look,

If you read a few of the CPM and what they say happened in their round table or even listened to what rouge and others said at fan fest you know there is a lot of backing off of the dust killing and legion is a brand new game and will start fresh.

They said they want to start new and cannot cause their data is owned by Sony and they would have to make deal with sony for its rights. Logi bro sounded more negative to this idea, and said it wouldn't be likely but they will try.

Now what the vp CEO and other dev's have said is that legion is a fresh start, a way to break away from the failures of dust and start a new evolution. It doesn't make financial sense, or sense as a developer to reward dust characters. Dust was just a beta and a proof of concept for legion, sorry to say it.

They made a bad game, and are getting off a sinking ship before failure and CCP are linked forever.
Also, legion was going to be free for all eve subscribers which sounds good, but does that mean its a pay system... That also is being round table discussed due to negative feedback might be forcing them u to F2P again.

There's no reason to reward dust players, there's no reason to begin a brand new game with a few select players at 50m SP..
This legion game is for eve players, not console players. It will be an even playing field and CCP will make money off people buying boosters and not cheap asses like me who have 23m SP and never spent a single cent. They don't want to reward me and my freeloading, and now i enter legion with ad advantage over their paying eve customers, its a recipe for disaster.

So, apart from rouge going into damage mode and lying to various companies... The truth is legion is a brand new game and will not be a continuation of dust and stand alone. It's not in their interest to transfer and they will use the sony has the rights to data excuse as the reason, and everyone will take their word for it.

Why you think they had to go with a different name?? They have a contract with Sony that Dust is a console exclusive

CCPs way around that........change the name

Sony is no longer a problem.
They literally cut a deal at FanFest, they announced it a couple of hours after they got confirmation from Sony.

When EVE: Legion was revealed, I had conflicted feelings. On one hand, it's what I've always wanted. On the other hand, it seemed like Dust 514 was being abandoned entirely. I've had some time to reflect on EVE: Legion and what it means for Dust 514, and I've come to a conclusion.

EVE: Legion... doesn't seem so bad, even if it's not perfect. I'll list my reasons for coming to that conclusion.

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1. Is CCP abandoning Dust 514? Not quite.
Looking over the information provided, it seems that Dust 514 isn't going to be abandoned. Assuming that CCP is honest about Legion becoming an open-world FPS, which Dust is not, it's not unreasonable to infer that Legion is not replacing Dust. Rather, Dust 514 will remain as a lobby-based shooter whereas EVE: Legion will use more EVE-like concepts, such as asymmetrical warfare, player-run industry and open-world gameplay.

To be honest, I'm somewhat disappointed with that idea as this means that Dust 514 is not likely to have these concepts, or at least will not have as many of them. However, there are some who enjoy Dust 514's current mechanics, so I can't really say for certain whether this is a bad thing without being heavily subjective.

2. Are you losing money and progress? Maybe, but probably not.
Some have voiced concerns that they will lose their progress, and thus money they spent on said progress, in Dust 514 if and when they emigrate to EVE: Legion. This is an understandable concern. However, CCP has promised that if EVE: Legion is released that all characters and assets (possibly excluding BPOs as you know them, as CCP has stated that Dust 514 BPOs are at odds with their desired open-world vision) will be copied over from Dust 514. As such, you will not lose any money or progress, even if you do transfer over, with the possible exception of BPOs which will likely be reimbursed in some way.

3. Console gamers don't get to experience EVE: Legion.
I cannot debate this claim. It is certainly true that you cannot play a PC game without a PC. However, owning a PC is a pretty common thing and you have no one to blame if you prioritize buying a game console over buying or upgrading to a moderately capable PC. Not trying to be rude here, but them's the facts.

4. I wasted my money buying a PS3 just so I could play Dust 514! This is an outrage!
I have a confession to make. I, like some others, bought a PS3 mostly so I could play Dust 514. Am I upset? Not really. Firstly, buying a console solely to play a specific game is a really bad idea and there's really no reason to be upset at someone else for it. Secondly, after I bought my PS3 I ended up using it to play other games in addition to Dust 514, because otherwise it would be a waste. Don't blame CCP alone for your wasteful spending.

5. Do you like the way Dust 514 is, but hate that progress will now slow?
Well, I'm not really sure how that feels, but I suppose slow progress is never a good thing. Don't worry, though, Dust 514 is not going anywhere anytime soon, so even if the progress is slow you can still enjoy the game as it is. This is probably the most legitimate complaint I can think of, so even though I don't feel too bad about it I sympathize with you.

6. Aimbots won't be a big deal.
They just won't. If you use an aimbot, CCP will find you and they will ban you and your character and assets will be lost. It's not like other FPS games where you can find another server to play on and where your characters and assets don't matter. Even if you create a new account, you won't get your ISK, skills or items back. Legitimately skilled players with enhanced gear and mad skillpointz can and will outdo aimbots, because aimbots can and will be banned regularly.

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Well, that's all I can really say for now, assuming CCP is being totally honest here. But don't feel too bad. Maybe in the future CCP will port EVE: Legion to consoles. Also remember that EVE: Legion isn't set-in-stone, CCP isn't completely sure whether they'll go through with it or not. If you really don't want EVE: Legion to be implemented as it is, you can always tell CCP that. Just be reasonable, please. Don't condemn it before you understand it.

And where is this info coming from?? heard nothing what so ever about Sony & CCP coming to a deal

I still cannot seem to find any evidence supporting your claims about data transfer and the death of Dust 514, Cotsy.

At most, I've found some in CCP stating that they "don't know" if they can transfer data, or "don't know" if Dust 514 will continue to be supported in the years to come. I've also found articles and statements promising data transfer and the continued support of Dust 514, but not articles or statements to the contrary. And I've looked, believe me.

CPM.

Wow, the Seth of dust is easily found. They transferred all their development team from dust to legion. It says it in 5 of the articles and its all over in a simple google search. They said dust is a crashing plane..etc dust is a failure and they want to make an evolution to legion.

I tried to find forum post that Logi bro wrote about Sony and it not being about SP and ISK being transfered but rather about names and account details, so that isn't a transfer of character, just information which CCP has to buy from Sony.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2125337#post2125337

After all the **** and lies IWS & co have been saying for months upon months

I wouldnt believe a word any CPM has to say

Wow, the Seth of dust is easily found. They transferred all their development team from dust to legion. It says it in 5 of the articles and its all over in a simple google search. They said dust is a crashing plane..etc dust is a failure and they want to make an evolution to legion.

I tried to find forum post that Logi bro wrote about Sony and it not being about SP and ISK being transfered but rather about names and account details, so that isn't a transfer of character, just information which CCP has to buy from Sony.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2125337#post2125337

There's also a questionnaire being passed around at fan fest, according to people there. The options are about how much would they pay for legion and would they take an increase in subscription fee on top of their eve accounts oh say 5$ a month.

So while its up in the air, they wanted it as a pay system but who knows what they will decide to do now. You think console free to play players are going to pay to play legion?! Not in a million years are the okay station, a free to play system online are going to leave buy a gaming PC and pay a monthly fee.

This conversation amuses me. It is clear that Cotsy has a looser definition of proof than Ulysses.

Roundtables weren't broadcast. Please stop spreading misinformation.

Hey, i watched the feeds, i read the quotes on day one.

Your own personal experiences are not proof. Being a witness is one thing, but you can't convict without evidence.

CCP doesn't normally make public mistakes like they did at fan fest, they under estimated the backlash and are in damage control mode. Its more reasonable to assume their op day 1 ideas and original bad ideas were what they wanted to do. The second day lets cater to you a bit and get your player info and account to eve world, is just an effective way to connect users from dust to eve and appease them.

But providing a new game, a new evolution of a game and then giving dust players 40-50m SP advantages is crazy. It's not a level playing field and eve and new players to legion will be furious.

The first post i saw after was a CPM saying don't be mad most sequels do not carry over SP and since legion isnt a sequel but a different game completely, or an evolution as CCP puts it. Then you cannot expect or you don't deserve one. Now i was mad, told him there are many games which carry over progression.

But from what CCP said and what makes sense, they will have everyone start at stage 1 together. It makes more sense to their game, makes more sense money wise, and wont upset legion player base.

Enter new game at 400k SP, get stomped by 1000 dust players with SP ranging from 10-40m. Meta level bullshit aside, it's about the fitting and the access to more the more SP you have. If you saw the skill tree, you can see the bullshit you will have to weed through to run what you want and run ideal fits. No one is going to believe, or should believe what CCP says today. It was about their original plans to get off the airplane without an engine and jump into PC and legion will be that jump.

Dust will die a slow, buggy death. Legion will rise from its ashes thanks to the dust team of developers. Legion will be everything dust was, and dust will be literally dust.

Say what you want about CCP today, but CCP IS BACKTRACKING DUE TO NEGATIVE REACTION. They wanted someone one way and aren't going to compromise at the risk of losing profits.

Actually, first hand experiences are considered more valid than second hand ones.

Question section at end. Ill answer that, we are laser focused on developing legion now.