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Ulysses Knapse
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Posted - 2014.05.04 02:10:00 -
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When EVE: Legion was revealed, I had conflicted feelings. On one hand, it's what I've always wanted. On the other hand, it seemed like Dust 514 was being abandoned entirely. I've had some time to reflect on EVE: Legion and what it means for Dust 514, and I've come to a conclusion.
EVE: Legion... doesn't seem so bad, even if it's not perfect. I'll list my reasons for coming to that conclusion.
1. Is CCP abandoning Dust 514? Not quite.
Looking over the information provided, it seems that Dust 514 isn't going to be abandoned. Assuming that CCP is honest about Legion becoming an open-world FPS, which Dust is not, it's not unreasonable to infer that Legion is not replacing Dust. Rather, Dust 514 will remain as a lobby-based shooter whereas EVE: Legion will use more EVE-like concepts, such as asymmetrical warfare, player-run industry and open-world gameplay.
To be honest, I'm somewhat disappointed with that idea as this means that Dust 514 is not likely to have these concepts, or at least will not have as many of them. However, there are some who enjoy Dust 514's current mechanics, so I can't really say for certain whether this is a bad thing without being heavily subjective.
2. Are you losing money and progress? Maybe, but probably not.
Some have voiced concerns that they will lose their progress, and thus money they spent on said progress, in Dust 514 if and when they emigrate to EVE: Legion. This is an understandable concern. However, CCP has promised that if EVE: Legion is released that all characters and assets (possibly excluding BPOs as you know them, as CCP has stated that Dust 514 BPOs are at odds with their desired open-world vision) will be copied over from Dust 514. As such, you will not lose any money or progress, even if you do transfer over, with the possible exception of BPOs which will likely be reimbursed in some way.
3. Console gamers don't get to experience EVE: Legion.
I cannot debate this claim. It is certainly true that you cannot play a PC game without a PC. However, owning a PC is a pretty common thing and you have no one to blame if you prioritize buying a game console over buying or upgrading to a moderately capable PC. Not trying to be rude here, but them's the facts.
4. I wasted my money buying a PS3 just so I could play Dust 514! This is an outrage!
I have a confession to make. I, like some others, bought a PS3 mostly so I could play Dust 514. Am I upset? Not really. Firstly, buying a console solely to play a specific game is a really bad idea and there's really no reason to be upset at someone else for it. Secondly, after I bought my PS3 I ended up using it to play other games in addition to Dust 514, because otherwise it would be a waste. Don't blame CCP alone for your wasteful spending.
5. Do you like the way Dust 514 is, but hate that progress will now slow?
Well, I'm not really sure how that feels, but I suppose slow progress is never a good thing. Don't worry, though, Dust 514 is not going anywhere anytime soon, so even if the progress is slow you can still enjoy the game as it is. This is probably the most legitimate complaint I can think of, so even though I don't feel too bad about it I sympathize with you.
Well, that's all I can really say for now, assuming CCP is being totally honest here. But don't feel too bad. Maybe in the future CCP will port EVE: Legion to consoles. Also remember that EVE: Legion isn't set-in-stone, CCP isn't completely sure whether they'll go through with it or not. If you really don't want EVE: Legion to be implemented as it is, you can always tell CCP that. Just be reasonable, please. Don't condemn it before you understand it.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Samael Artico
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:45:00 -
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EVE: Legion is certainly not as bad of an idea as it's being made out to be.
I'm still disappointed that Dust 514 will be neglected, though. Well, the PS3 was a dead console anyway. |
Cotsy
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:53:00 -
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I'm not allowed to call you names, but I will say you're a lying troll.
Take 1 min and google the two following phrases
Digital spy + dust 514
Polygon + dust 514
CCP confirms, direct quotes from the VP, dust is dead, it will receive no more updates. Dust was a complete failure and they can no longer support it. Their team has been removed from dust and are laser focused on legion. |
Cotsy
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:55:00 -
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Also,
You're MENSA to think that dust will be transfered.., this has already been confirmed as not being allowed
Sony owns the data, the data rights etc.. CCP is not allowed to use it or any part of it or refer to it.
Why would CCP want to? They wouldn't. They want everyone to start the game fresh. They want you to buy boosters and such on legion and make money.
So stop your lies. |
Beeeees
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:57:00 -
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Best case scenario.
They could just can the game and be done with trying to expand EVE universe.
They instead took it to a platform that didnt restrain them with bullshit outdated hardware.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:59:00 -
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Samael Artico wrote:EVE: Legion is certainly not as bad of an idea as it's being made out to be.
I'm still disappointed that Dust 514 will be neglected, though. Well, the PS3 was a dead console anyway.
Honestly I was expecting the PS3 to be almost irrelevant in 2 years tops and that's being optimistic.
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:00:00 -
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Cotsy wrote:Also,
You're MENSA to think that dust will be transfered.., this has already been confirmed as not being allowed
Sony owns the data, the data rights etc.. CCP is not allowed to use it or any part of it or refer to it.
Why would CCP want to? They wouldn't. They want everyone to start the game fresh. They want you to buy boosters and such on legion and make money.
So stop your lies.
CCP stated otherwise about the data transfer.
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
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Nstomper
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:08:00 -
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Maybe you are forgetting one thing thats legion is a project that may not even happen
heck it was even said here by a ccp person
Quote:"Put it out in front of them, see if they like it," he said. "EVR [later renamed Eve: Valkyrie] was a perfect example of that. Legion will or will not be an example of that, weGÇÖll see, and if Legion does well, great, weGÇÖll continue to invest in it. If it doesnGÇÖt, weGÇÖll open up some beers, have some fun and say, "'Ok, that was fun, letGÇÖs do something different now and go again.'" |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:11:00 -
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If Legion is just DUST 514 on PC, great. If Legion is separate, that is a kick in the face for those that wanted DUST 514 to be what it was promised to be rather than for the promise to be in a different game.
Either way, CCP is pulling bullshit.
"People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:18:00 -
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Cotsy wrote:CCP confirms, direct quotes from the VP, dust is dead, it will receive no more updates. Dust was a complete failure and they can no longer support it. Their team has been removed from dust and are laser focused on legion.
What.
CCP has already stated that EVE: Legion is just an concept they came up with and were considering implementing, like EVE: Valkyrie. People liked the idea of EVE: Valkyrie, so it became an official thing. If people don't like the idea of EVE: Legion, they probably won't do it. Though this is under the assumption that CCP is being honest.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:23:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Cotsy wrote:Also,
You're MENSA to think that dust will be transfered.., this has already been confirmed as not being allowed
Sony owns the data, the data rights etc.. CCP is not allowed to use it or any part of it or refer to it.
Why would CCP want to? They wouldn't. They want everyone to start the game fresh. They want you to buy boosters and such on legion and make money.
So stop your lies. CCP stated otherwise about the data transfer.
they didn't. they said 'applicable skills and items'.
that can mean almost anything, or nothing. i'll give you two guesses.
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Negris Albedo
Nuevo Atlas Corporation
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:24:00 -
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Guys, read this article, HTFU, and cool the kitten down.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/05/03/eve-fanfest-2014-ccp-responds-to-dust-514-rage-over-project-leg/ |
Cotsy
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:24:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Cotsy wrote:Also,
You're MENSA to think that dust will be transfered.., this has already been confirmed as not being allowed
Sony owns the data, the data rights etc.. CCP is not allowed to use it or any part of it or refer to it.
Why would CCP want to? They wouldn't. They want everyone to start the game fresh. They want you to buy boosters and such on legion and make money.
So stop your lies. CCP stated otherwise about the data transfer.
I read what he wrote. I've read 10-12 articles about it. They will no, Sony owns the data.. They said they "want to" but they actually won't do it.
Why would they?! Build a game then give a select few players a 50m SP head start, wtth BPO's nope. Not going to happen ever. They want people to start even and buy boosters.
Now if they take even one piece of data, say someone's total AUR and reward them in legion, then Sony will sue them. They will not take it and they will blame sony as ax excuse, instead of just saying what we all know.
One guy said we are working on it but its unlikely due to their sony agreement, one guy said they will and then their CEO and VP said its being discussed and that it probably won't happen. Now I've read the two polygon articles and the two game ones, it seems that legion will not reward dust players for a few more "excuses". One, they will not kill dust completely so they will argue you can still use the game. And two, they said legion is a fresh start in the evolution and a fresh start means everyone at 0.
The choice is be sued and get 5% of dust guys to PC and lose money from boosters and get PC users mad because they are put at a disadvantage. OR They can say we want to, we tried, but sony wouldn't let us, now come buy boosters at legion.
Which one you think will happen? Based on what their VP says, there will be 0 chance of a transfer. Based on the legal and CCP money problems, they won't want it or can't afford to pay sony for data rights cause they lost 20$m last year.
Face it, you've been tricked. Face it, CCP is in damage control mode and their underlings are lying to cover up negative opinions about legion and CCP being linked to dust 514 backlash, |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:26:00 -
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Samael Artico wrote:EVE: Legion is certainly not as bad of an idea as it's being made out to be.
I'm still disappointed that Dust 514 will be neglected, though. Well, the PS3 was a dead console anyway.
Well. Dust isn't going to be negleted. It did become Legion. The sooner Dust dies and the sooner we can play Legion with our Dust chars the better.
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Samael Artico
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:26:00 -
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Cotsy wrote:Sony owns the data, the data rights etc.. CCP is not allowed to use it or any part of it or refer to it..
I'm sorry, but I find this hard to believe. Where's your source?
Links or it didn't happen.
Here's my source:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/05/03/eve-fanfest-2014-ccp-responds-to-dust-514-rage-over-project-leg/
Quote:Earlier today at the CCP Presents keynote presentation, CCP took the opportunity to respond to fears and complaints that have surfaced on the DUST 514 community forum. The official word is that DUST 514 isn't being shuttered and that development will continue, but CCP admitted that it will have less development time going forward. A promise was also made that if Legion goes ahead, the names and assets of every DUST player will be copied over to the new title. |
Cotsy
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:39:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Cotsy wrote:CCP confirms, direct quotes from the VP, dust is dead, it will receive no more updates. Dust was a complete failure and they can no longer support it. Their team has been removed from dust and are laser focused on legion. What. CCP has already stated that EVE: Legion is just an concept they came up with and were considering implementing, like EVE: Valkyrie. People liked the idea of EVE: Valkyrie, so it became an official thing. If people don't like the idea of EVE: Legion, they probably won't do it. Though this is under the assumption that CCP is being honest. You should have read my footnote: Ulysses Knapse wrote:Well, that's all I can really say for now, assuming CCP is being totally honest here. But don't feel too bad. Maybe in the future CCP will port EVE: Legion to consoles. Also remember that EVE: Legion isn't set-in-stone, CCP isn't completely sure whether they'll go through with it or not. If you really don't want EVE: Legion to be implemented as it is, you can always tell CCP that. Just be reasonable, please. Don't condemn it before you understand it.
I swear, some of you guys either do. It or can not read.
The developers of dust 514 have been working on legion for 6 months. CCP ask given legion all the developers that were working on dust and said now they are laser focused and all hands on deck for legion. Read the quotes, read the articles on digital spy and polygon about dust being done and you can see there is no reason to have items/sp transferred. It causes more problems than the 5% of players it makes happy.
LEGION IS NOT A CONCEPT, ITS BEEN IN DEVELOPMENT FOR 6 MONTHS. HARDLY AN IDEA, ITS A 100% FULLY BEING DEVELOPED PROJECT.
I swear, you hear one CPM say something and you think his views are more important than what the VP of CCP said. Dust is dead, face it.
Here is transcript:
PCGN: Your blog post on the Dust website described Project Legion as "the experience we've all dreamt of". What I'm trying to get at is whether Project Legion is replacing Dust 514 as the FPS experience you guys want to make.
JCG: Well it's tough to say "replacing" today. Today we have [in Dust] a really strong product out live and doing well, while Project Legion is still in early development. Personally I find that, yes, [Project Legion] will complete that [Dust 514] vision, the vision of being on the ground in a first-person experience in EVE. It would absolutely complete and realise that vision.
PCGN: And that's not something you could do with Dust?
JCG: As I've described it a few times, it would be a bit like changing the engine of a plane in flight. Such severe changes to an already live experience, that's what triggered the development of Project Legion.
Ok, we know he is lying because CCP said its been 6 months in development. Months is 6. Hardly recent. Also, changing engine of a plane mid flight is terrible but true. Legion is replacing dust because dust failed and they are going to abandon ship.
Now if you want i can get you copy pastes of the fresh start, evolution, new beginning stuff too.
Leave you with this:
Dust has been doing a lot of right things, it's difficult now to finish, to close the loop in some... Nice eh?!
You want more examples?!? Digital spy has many quotes from vp of CCP saying its dead |
Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:41:00 -
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Cotsy wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Cotsy wrote:CCP confirms, direct quotes from the VP, dust is dead, it will receive no more updates. Dust was a complete failure and they can no longer support it. Their team has been removed from dust and are laser focused on legion. What. CCP has already stated that EVE: Legion is just an concept they came up with and were considering implementing, like EVE: Valkyrie. People liked the idea of EVE: Valkyrie, so it became an official thing. If people don't like the idea of EVE: Legion, they probably won't do it. Though this is under the assumption that CCP is being honest. You should have read my footnote: Ulysses Knapse wrote:Well, that's all I can really say for now, assuming CCP is being totally honest here. But don't feel too bad. Maybe in the future CCP will port EVE: Legion to consoles. Also remember that EVE: Legion isn't set-in-stone, CCP isn't completely sure whether they'll go through with it or not. If you really don't want EVE: Legion to be implemented as it is, you can always tell CCP that. Just be reasonable, please. Don't condemn it before you understand it. I swear, some of you guys either do. It or can not read. The developers of dust 514 have been working on legion for 6 months. CCP ask given legion all the developers that were working on dust and said now they are laser focused and all hands on deck for legion. Read the quotes, read the articles on digital spy and polygon about dust being done and you can see there is no reason to have items/sp transferred. It causes more problems than the 5% of players it makes happy. LEGION IS NOT A CONCEPT, ITS BEEN IN DEVELOPMENT FOR 6 MONTHS. HARDLY AN IDEA, ITS A 100% FULLY BEING DEVELOPED PROJECT. I swear, you hear one CPM say something and you think his views are more important than what the VP of CCP said. Dust is dead, face it. Here is transcript: PCGN: Your blog post on the Dust website described Project Legion as "the experience we've all dreamt of". What I'm trying to get at is whether Project Legion is replacing Dust 514 as the FPS experience you guys want to make. JCG: Well it's tough to say "replacing" today. Today we have [in Dust] a really strong product out live and doing well, while Project Legion is still in early development. Personally I find that, yes, [Project Legion] will complete that [Dust 514] vision, the vision of being on the ground in a first-person experience in EVE. It would absolutely complete and realise that vision. PCGN: And that's not something you could do with Dust? JCG: As I've described it a few times, it would be a bit like changing the engine of a plane in flight. Such severe changes to an already live experience, that's what triggered the development of Project Legion. Ok, we know he is lying because CCP said its been 6 months in development. Months is 6. Hardly recent. Also, changing engine of a plane mid flight is terrible but true. Legion is replacing dust because dust failed and they are going to abandon ship. Now if you want i can get you copy pastes of the fresh start, evolution, new beginning stuff too. Leave you with this: Dust has been doing a lot of right things, it's difficult now to finish, to close the loop in some... Nice eh?! You want more examples?!? Digital spy has many quotes from vp of CCP saying its dead
Am I supposed to take your word for it? I haven't been able to find anything confirming your claims. So either you're not being totally honest here, or I suck at searching the internet. So, with all due respect, show us proof of the validity of your claims.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:45:00 -
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On point 3, why should I have to buy a PC for one game? Seems like a waste of space to me. Then again, I wouldn't buy a console for one game either... The 'master race' and how they look at the world...
xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own...
So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:49:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:On point 3, why should I have to buy a PC for one game? Seems like a waste of space to me.
No one is telling you to buy a PC for a single game. But if I'm going to be honest here, most people should have and do have PCs. The same cannot be said for a specific console, such as the PS3.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Cotsy
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:50:00 -
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We won't leave any merc behind - rouge says that. Nice that his boss says otherwise. And according to the latest fan fest, they haven't decided but it's not looking good.
Yea: http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/3/5677566/Dust-514-project-legion-reaction
Here is what is going to happen:
"I ran DICE for awhile, and the first shooter game out of DICE was a game called Codename Eagle, which tons of people donGÇÖt know anything about, and never would, and probably shouldnGÇÖt," he told Polygon. "I think it sold like 20,000 units and got a 50 Metacritic, maybe a 40, something like that. It was horrible, and at the end of the day, teams usually have to do multiple iterations of something to get to something really great."
Or
And if people are like, GÇÿyou know what, thanks for all the fish and weGÇÖve moved,GÇÖ then we wonGÇÖt. ItGÇÖs as simple as that, and I think itGÇÖs true for any game service."
Or no plans for updates at http://www.digitalspy.ca/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#~oDgvSyczxFyCjF
"That's the risk of coming in early into Project Legion, but we're not good at keeping secrets away from our consumers," he explained.
Or you can go watch the youtube video in skill trees, where the guy off camera says they have transferred the team and are laser focused on legion.. Which team did they move, the dust team.
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:51:00 -
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3 - This is a console game.
It started as a console game, and it needs to continue as a console game.
Expecting a console community to buy a PC to play what they were promised on consoles is absurd.
There's only one to blame - CCP
6 - You are overestimating CCP's ability to ban cheaters.
There are rage hackers, the type that will turn on aimbot, speed, whatever and absolutely massacre a sever.
Those are the cheaters that get banned
Another type is the closet cheater, they just have simple stuff like wallhack, and they make sure to die a few times so they won't be suspicious.
The second type is much harder to detect, and most players don't even know they played with one.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Cotsy
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:51:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Cotsy wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Cotsy wrote:CCP confirms, direct quotes from the VP, dust is dead, it will receive no more updates. Dust was a complete failure and they can no longer support it. Their team has been removed from dust and are laser focused on legion. What. CCP has already stated that EVE: Legion is just an concept they came up with and were considering implementing, like EVE: Valkyrie. People liked the idea of EVE: Valkyrie, so it became an official thing. If people don't like the idea of EVE: Legion, they probably won't do it. Though this is under the assumption that CCP is being honest. You should have read my footnote: Ulysses Knapse wrote:Well, that's all I can really say for now, assuming CCP is being totally honest here. But don't feel too bad. Maybe in the future CCP will port EVE: Legion to consoles. Also remember that EVE: Legion isn't set-in-stone, CCP isn't completely sure whether they'll go through with it or not. If you really don't want EVE: Legion to be implemented as it is, you can always tell CCP that. Just be reasonable, please. Don't condemn it before you understand it. I swear, some of you guys either do. It or can not read. The developers of dust 514 have been working on legion for 6 months. CCP ask given legion all the developers that were working on dust and said now they are laser focused and all hands on deck for legion. Read the quotes, read the articles on digital spy and polygon about dust being done and you can see there is no reason to have items/sp transferred. It causes more problems than the 5% of players it makes happy. LEGION IS NOT A CONCEPT, ITS BEEN IN DEVELOPMENT FOR 6 MONTHS. HARDLY AN IDEA, ITS A 100% FULLY BEING DEVELOPED PROJECT. I swear, you hear one CPM say something and you think his views are more important than what the VP of CCP said. Dust is dead, face it. Here is transcript: PCGN: Your blog post on the Dust website described Project Legion as "the experience we've all dreamt of". What I'm trying to get at is whether Project Legion is replacing Dust 514 as the FPS experience you guys want to make. JCG: Well it's tough to say "replacing" today. Today we have [in Dust] a really strong product out live and doing well, while Project Legion is still in early development. Personally I find that, yes, [Project Legion] will complete that [Dust 514] vision, the vision of being on the ground in a first-person experience in EVE. It would absolutely complete and realise that vision. PCGN: And that's not something you could do with Dust? JCG: As I've described it a few times, it would be a bit like changing the engine of a plane in flight. Such severe changes to an already live experience, that's what triggered the development of Project Legion. Ok, we know he is lying because CCP said its been 6 months in development. Months is 6. Hardly recent. Also, changing engine of a plane mid flight is terrible but true. Legion is replacing dust because dust failed and they are going to abandon ship. Now if you want i can get you copy pastes of the fresh start, evolution, new beginning stuff too. Leave you with this: Dust has been doing a lot of right things, it's difficult now to finish, to close the loop in some... Nice eh?! You want more examples?!? Digital spy has many quotes from vp of CCP saying its dead Am I supposed to take your word for it? I haven't been able to find anything confirming your claims. So either you're not being totally honest here, or I suck at searching the internet. So, with all due respect, show us proof of the validity of your claims.
I copy pasted you the conversations.. Google dust 514 news. Like really, all the articles are there. All the black lash and you can see how the lower tier of company says one thing and the CEO and VP say they're going a different direction and that direction is legion 100% |
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:54:00 -
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low genius wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Cotsy wrote:Also,
You're MENSA to think that dust will be transfered.., this has already been confirmed as not being allowed
Sony owns the data, the data rights etc.. CCP is not allowed to use it or any part of it or refer to it.
Why would CCP want to? They wouldn't. They want everyone to start the game fresh. They want you to buy boosters and such on legion and make money.
So stop your lies. CCP stated otherwise about the data transfer. they didn't. they said 'applicable skills and items'. that can mean almost anything, or nothing. i'll give you two guesses.
It means that the game has different systems.
You can't just translate SP, ISK and Aurum, because it will all be different in EVE Legion.
They have to figure out how to compensate players in a way that makes sense.
They explained that very clearly.
Also, some Sony guys were at FanFest and the decision to allow character transfers was done on the spot, at FanFest.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:54:00 -
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Cotsy wrote:We won't leave any merc behind - rouge says that. Nice that his boss says otherwise. And according to the latest fan fest, they haven't decided but it's not looking good. Yea: http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/3/5677566/Dust-514-project-legion-reactionHere is what is going to happen: "I ran DICE for awhile, and the first shooter game out of DICE was a game called Codename Eagle, which tons of people donGÇÖt know anything about, and never would, and probably shouldnGÇÖt," he told Polygon. "I think it sold like 20,000 units and got a 50 Metacritic, maybe a 40, something like that. It was horrible, and at the end of the day, teams usually have to do multiple iterations of something to get to something really great." Or And if people are like, GÇÿyou know what, thanks for all the fish and weGÇÖve moved,GÇÖ then we wonGÇÖt. ItGÇÖs as simple as that, and I think itGÇÖs true for any game service." Or no plans for updates at http://www.digitalspy.ca/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#~oDgvSyczxFyCjF "That's the risk of coming in early into Project Legion, but we're not good at keeping secrets away from our consumers," he explained. Or you can go watch the youtube video in skill trees, where the guy off camera says they have transferred the team and are laser focused on legion.. Which team did they move, the dust team.
Neither of those articles claim that Dust 514 is dead, nor do they claim that data cannot be transferred. One of them (the Digitalspy article) has even been updated to say that, in fact, Dust 514 is still going to be supported and that data can be transferred.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Cotsy
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
100
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Posted - 2014.05.04 05:03:00 -
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Look,
If you read a few of the CPM and what they say happened in their round table or even listened to what rouge and others said at fan fest you know there is a lot of backing off of the dust killing and legion is a brand new game and will start fresh.
They said they want to start new and cannot cause their data is owned by Sony and they would have to make deal with sony for its rights. Logi bro sounded more negative to this idea, and said it wouldn't be likely but they will try.
Now what the vp CEO and other dev's have said is that legion is a fresh start, a way to break away from the failures of dust and start a new evolution. It doesn't make financial sense, or sense as a developer to reward dust characters. Dust was just a beta and a proof of concept for legion, sorry to say it.
They made a bad game, and are getting off a sinking ship before failure and CCP are linked forever.
Also, legion was going to be free for all eve subscribers which sounds good, but does that mean its a pay system... That also is being round table discussed due to negative feedback might be forcing them u to F2P again.
There's no reason to reward dust players, there's no reason to begin a brand new game with a few select players at 50m SP..
This legion game is for eve players, not console players. It will be an even playing field and CCP will make money off people buying boosters and not cheap asses like me who have 23m SP and never spent a single cent. They don't want to reward me and my freeloading, and now i enter legion with ad advantage over their paying eve customers, its a recipe for disaster.
So, apart from rouge going into damage mode and lying to various companies... The truth is legion is a brand new game and will not be a continuation of dust and stand alone. It's not in their interest to transfer and they will use the sony has the rights to data excuse as the reason, and everyone will take their word for it. |
Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1200
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Posted - 2014.05.04 05:06:00 -
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Well, even if what you say is true, should I, for any particular reason, mind?
I still think you should cite your sources.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University
Ivy League
660
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Posted - 2014.05.04 05:06:00 -
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Im tired of the silence. Can we get what they want now? Whats happening to DUST relative to the PC game?
Still want to know how console gamers can give feedback on a PC game.
Can we get an alpha key? Are they going to use DUST for something other than an unbalanced shooter?
Something clever that makes people think Im not a bitter **.
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Cotsy
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
100
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Posted - 2014.05.04 05:07:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Cotsy wrote:We won't leave any merc behind - rouge says that. Nice that his boss says otherwise. And according to the latest fan fest, they haven't decided but it's not looking good. Yea: http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/3/5677566/Dust-514-project-legion-reactionHere is what is going to happen: "I ran DICE for awhile, and the first shooter game out of DICE was a game called Codename Eagle, which tons of people donGÇÖt know anything about, and never would, and probably shouldnGÇÖt," he told Polygon. "I think it sold like 20,000 units and got a 50 Metacritic, maybe a 40, something like that. It was horrible, and at the end of the day, teams usually have to do multiple iterations of something to get to something really great." Or And if people are like, GÇÿyou know what, thanks for all the fish and weGÇÖve moved,GÇÖ then we wonGÇÖt. ItGÇÖs as simple as that, and I think itGÇÖs true for any game service." Or no plans for updates at http://www.digitalspy.ca/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#~oDgvSyczxFyCjF "That's the risk of coming in early into Project Legion, but we're not good at keeping secrets away from our consumers," he explained. Or you can go watch the youtube video in skill trees, where the guy off camera says they have transferred the team and are laser focused on legion.. Which team did they move, the dust team. Neither of those articles claim that Dust 514 is dead, nor do they claim that data cannot be transferred. One of them (the Digitalspy article) has even been updated to say that, in fact, Dust 514 is still going to be supported and that data can be transferred.
The dust 5-4 team has be taken to legion and are laser focused on it.
Hmm, so yea. I can tell you IMO dust will be a beta testing ground for their ideas. But dust is dead, they will have no one working on it, they will have no one playing it, no one is going to play a game that is going to be killed once their sony agreement is over. Legion will be released asap, probably q1 or 2 next year. Dust is dead.
What does he say, like dust was a failure and they need to start fresh and focus on legion and the new evolution of eve. THEY BASICALLY CALL IT AN AIRPLANE THST IS GOING TO CRASH. Yup, sounds promising to me.
Failure, crashing airplane, bad engine, no dev team, failure, we will see, we are discussing many things... Yup, they are gonna give you everything cause they care about you, they care about your money only. |
Raymondo316
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2014.05.04 05:09:00 -
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Why you think they had to go with a different name?? They have a contract with Sony that Dust is a console exclusive
CCPs way around that........change the name
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Cotsy
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
100
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Posted - 2014.05.04 05:10:00 -
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You're just in the denial phase, soon you will be in the anger phase.
I'll wait. You will come around,
Dust is dead. It's an airplane without an engine. CCP is going to cut bait asap and legion will be their new dust, but it wont be called dust or associated with dust.
If you read the interviews the VP constsntly says, its different but we are gonna make it how we wanted to make dust. It's not different at all, they need to separate themselves from the failed dust 514 so they are making excuses and distancing by saying dumb things like its the same game but better lol |
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