DUST Search - So the forums told me not to use the Plasma Cannon...

Awry Barux wrote:

Topher Mellen wrote:

Awry Barux wrote:

The one thing the PLC is good for is trolling infantry players with the OHK. Which is enough for me to use it all day long. But don't try to pretend that the PLC is well-balanced, please- it deserves a buff, and you're not helping.

I'm not saying it's a super awesome l33t weapon. What I'm saying is that I'm upset that the entire community told me not to bother with the PLC, when it is one of the most entertaining guns in the game, (IMO) and is also not entirely worthless (which is how it was portrayed to me). I have never, and probably will, never care about this buff/nerf crap.

You clearly didn't ask the right parts of the community- there are plenty of PLC devotees on the forum, some of them quite vocal. Roofer Madness and his PLC squad channel comes to mind. Ghazbaran is also a PLC master, check out his youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/user/XxGhazbaranxX . Anyway, I'm glad to see another PLC user join the ranks.

If you don't care about "buff/nerf crap"... I hate you. Dust would be an infinitely better game if CCP could nail down proper balance between weapons- each weapon should have a niche in which it is clearly the best weapon, with the magnitude of this best-ness being balanced against how frequently that niche is encountered and how well it performs relatively outside of its niche.

Well-reasoned balance discussion is one of the, if the not the singular, most important use of the official Dust forums- since the developers do not have the time or inclination to play the game enough to get a really good sense of how balance stacks up, it is our role as players to provide the feedback that they so desperately need.

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Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 44	Posted - 2014.04.29 15:44:00 - [1] - Quote ... and I believed thine almighty forum, but a couple of weeks ago I decided to take Plasma Cannon to level I for the hell of it. As it turns out I'm getting higher KDRs each match (public matches) using almost exclusively the PC and I'm having a whole lot more fun. Why did the forums try to ruin Dust for me?
Cyrus Grevare WarRavens Final Resolution. 190	Posted - 2014.04.29 16:14:00 - [2] - Quote Always try things out for yourself, maybe the PLC is a perfect match for you despite the so many perceived flaws it has. If CCP make it better then you'll benefit greatly someday. I know for sure after having tried it that it doesn't work for me, at least not better than other weapons, probably the majority that have tried it don't get a feel for it, but each person's experience may vary, like your case. www.protofits.com - a Dust 514 fitting tool
Seamie Schmoove Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 151	Posted - 2014.04.29 16:30:00 - [3] - Quote Dear lord I hated the PC the first time I picked it up. Binned the fits after 1 match but I've been seeing it popping up on the killboard the last while. Might give it a go again. Playing the game badly since Replication
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 45	Posted - 2014.04.29 16:30:00 - [4] - Quote Quote: Always try things out for yourself, maybe the PLC is a perfect match for you despite the so many perceived flaws it has. If CCP make it better then you'll benefit greatly someday. I totally understand the try things out for yourself thing, but the whole SP thing pushes me on to the forum to ask questions like 'Is the Plasma Cannon worth skilling into?' I've been playing Dust for so long with an AR without having any fun, and suddenly I go against common wisdom and have a blast. I just feel kinda jipped by these forums, idk.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2431	Posted - 2014.04.29 16:36:00 - [5] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: ... and I believed thine almighty forum, but a couple of weeks ago I decided to take Plasma Cannon to level I for the hell of it. As it turns out I'm getting higher KDRs each match (public matches) using almost exclusively the PC and I'm having a whole lot more fun. Why did the forums try to ruin Dust for me? this is a clip of every time I've ever faught against a plasma cannon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHG4fPkGpDM
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2449	Posted - 2014.04.29 16:38:00 - [6] - Quote It's not bad, but the bugs kill the poor thing, and if you don't face a stupid pilot, it's not really viable as AV.
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 45	Posted - 2014.04.29 16:40:00 - [7] - Quote calisk galern wrote: this is a clip of every time I've ever faught against a plasma cannon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHG4fPkGpDM in case you were wondering the plc is the guy that missed. Lol it totally happens to be. I've screamed 'die!' a few times only to get RR'd, but it's better than being flat out worse with my AR.
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 45	Posted - 2014.04.29 16:41:00 - [8] - Quote Joel II X wrote: It's not bad, but the bugs kill the poor thing, and if you don't face a stupid pilot, it's not really viable as AV. It's bad in the open, but when a heroic pilot drives into the city it's pretty much over. Once a tank gets hung up on geometry it's dead. At least most of the time.
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 948	Posted - 2014.04.29 16:41:00 - [9] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: ... and I believed thine almighty forum, but a couple of weeks ago I decided to take Plasma Cannon to level I for the hell of it. As it turns out I'm getting higher KDRs each match (public matches) using almost exclusively the PC and I'm having a whole lot more fun. Why did the forums try to ruin Dust for me? CCP Wolfman is that you?? I mean that is the only guy I have seen say that the PLC is ok, so must be him. Fixing swarms
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 45	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:07:00 - [10] - Quote Quote: CCP Wolfman is that you?? I mean that is the only guy I have seen say that the PLC is ok, so must be him. Nope. <-- regular dude

Roofer Madness 1096	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:14:00 - [11] - Quote I have all Plasma Cannon skills at 5. It is safe to say I am an advocate. It's my main weapon. Oh, and also.... It's NOT a good weapon. Not even close. Too many bugs in hit detection for the thing to be reliable. A great troll weapon but nothing competitive. Good players will shred you too pieces with their OP rifles before you even had a chance. I'm done trying to defend it. It's broken. CCP - fix it please. I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
IR Scifi Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 153	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:48:00 - [12] - Quote I'm with the others, the glitches absolutely kill this weapon. I've had a perfect shot lined up in a corridor only to have the projectile vanish 3m down the hall. It's not bad against shield/rail tanks but you will have a hell of a time against an armor/blaster combo. The show reload and close range will almost guarantee that you'll get shredded unless the tracker is a complete noob.
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 376	Posted - 2014.04.29 17:54:00 - [13] - Quote I like it but it's really, really bad. I'll skill into it when I finish my Minmatar suit and start my Gallente Commando, but until then I'm just hoping for a buff int he meantime. But it's worth noting that I'm actually pretty good with it. If I had gone Galmando instead of Minmando I would have it at proto already, along with the AR and SG. Minmatar & Gallente A.R.C. Program Instructor / Do you even lift?
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 47	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:27:00 - [14] - Quote IR Scifi wrote: I'm with the others, the glitches absolutely kill this weapon. I've had a perfect shot lined up in a corridor only to have the projectile vanish 3m down the hall. I've actually never had this happen to me and I've been using PLC in pubs for a minute now. Must be a rare bug.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7456	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:31:00 - [15] - Quote I can usually put decent scores out with the PLC, but it's not worth the trouble when you compare it to just about every other weapon in the game. Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2318	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:34:00 - [16] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: ... and I believed thine almighty forum, but a couple of weeks ago I decided to take Plasma Cannon to level I for the hell of it. As it turns out I'm getting higher KDRs each match (public matches) using almost exclusively the PC and I'm having a whole lot more fun. Why did the forums try to ruin Dust for me? If you think the PLC is OK you're lying to yourself. Don't get me wrong, I love using it, I've been running it exclusively for the past week. It does, however, still just suck absolutely. It does less damage at proto than a standard swarm launcher. It's really a case of "anything you can do I can do better, I can do anything better than you", from the SL to the PLC. The one thing the PLC is good for is trolling infantry players with the OHK. Which is enough for me to use it all day long. But don't try to pretend that the PLC is well-balanced, please- it deserves a buff, and you're not helping. Nerdier than thou
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1377	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:38:00 - [17] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: ... and I believed thine almighty forum, but a couple of weeks ago I decided to take Plasma Cannon to level I for the hell of it. As it turns out I'm getting higher KDRs each match (public matches) using almost exclusively the PC and I'm having a whole lot more fun. Why did the forums try to ruin Dust for me? not so obvious troll is obvious
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 48	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:39:00 - [18] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: The one thing the PLC is good for is trolling infantry players with the OHK. Which is enough for me to use it all day long. But don't try to pretend that the PLC is well-balanced, please- it deserves a buff, and you're not helping. I'm not saying it's a super awesome l33t weapon. What I'm saying is that I'm upset that the entire community told me not to bother with the PLC, when it is one of the most entertaining guns in the game, (IMO) and is also not entirely worthless (which is how it was portrayed to me). I have never, and probably will, never care about this buff/nerf crap.
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 48	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:40:00 - [19] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: ... and I believed thine almighty forum, but a couple of weeks ago I decided to take Plasma Cannon to level I for the hell of it. As it turns out I'm getting higher KDRs each match (public matches) using almost exclusively the PC and I'm having a whole lot more fun. Why did the forums try to ruin Dust for me? not so obvious troll is obvious <-- not trolling
MINA Longstrike 597	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:40:00 - [20] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: ... and I believed thine almighty forum, but a couple of weeks ago I decided to take Plasma Cannon to level I for the hell of it. As it turns out I'm getting higher KDRs each match (public matches) using almost exclusively the PC and I'm having a whole lot more fun. Why did the forums try to ruin Dust for me? I'm terrified to think of what your KDR was before if it improved upon picking up the plasma cannon. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 48	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:42:00 - [21] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: ... and I believed thine almighty forum, but a couple of weeks ago I decided to take Plasma Cannon to level I for the hell of it. As it turns out I'm getting higher KDRs each match (public matches) using almost exclusively the PC and I'm having a whole lot more fun. Why did the forums try to ruin Dust for me? I'm terrified to think of what your KDR was before if it improved upon picking up the plasma cannon. <-- EVE player not a Halo player
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 1711	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:45:00 - [22] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: ... and I believed thine almighty forum, but a couple of weeks ago I decided to take Plasma Cannon to level I for the hell of it. As it turns out I'm getting higher KDRs each match (public matches) using almost exclusively the PC and I'm having a whole lot more fun. Why did the forums try to ruin Dust for me? We like to b!tch, we enjoy venting here, and some of us use the forums to mindfuck for any old reason. Congrats in excelling with the PLC. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 48	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:46:00 - [23] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: We like to b!tch, we enjoy venting here, and some of us use the forums to mindfuck for any old reason. Congrats in excelling with the PLC. Right on. Thanks for the honesty.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2320	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:52:00 - [24] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: Awry Barux wrote: The one thing the PLC is good for is trolling infantry players with the OHK. Which is enough for me to use it all day long. But don't try to pretend that the PLC is well-balanced, please- it deserves a buff, and you're not helping. I'm not saying it's a super awesome l33t weapon. What I'm saying is that I'm upset that the entire community told me not to bother with the PLC, when it is one of the most entertaining guns in the game, (IMO) and is also not entirely worthless (which is how it was portrayed to me). I have never, and probably will, never care about this buff/nerf crap. You clearly didn't ask the right parts of the community- there are plenty of PLC devotees on the forum, some of them quite vocal. Roofer Madness and his PLC squad channel comes to mind. Ghazbaran is also a PLC master, check out his youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/user/XxGhazbaranxX . Anyway, I'm glad to see another PLC user join the ranks. If you don't care about "buff/nerf crap"... I hate you. Dust would be an infinitely better game if CCP could nail down proper balance between weapons- each weapon should have a niche in which it is clearly the best weapon, with the magnitude of this best-ness being balanced against how frequently that niche is encountered and how well it performs relatively outside of its niche. Well-reasoned balance discussion is one of the, if the not the singular, most important use of the official Dust forums- since the developers do not have the time or inclination to play the game enough to get a really good sense of how balance stacks up, it is our role as players to provide the feedback that they so desperately need. Nerdier than thou
IR Scifi Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 153	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:52:00 - [25] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: IR Scifi wrote: I'm with the others, the glitches absolutely kill this weapon. I've had a perfect shot lined up in a corridor only to have the projectile vanish 3m down the hall. I've actually never had this happen to me and I've been using PLC in pubs for a minute now. Must be a rare bug. I hope so. More often is that the splash just won't register.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 3161	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:54:00 - [26] - Quote It's just glitchy as hell. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
lampwizard Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2014.04.29 18:55:00 - [27] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: the whole SP thing It's 12k sp. Trying stuff is going to make you better at the game.
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 50	Posted - 2014.04.29 19:01:00 - [28] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: If you don't care about "buff/nerf crap"... I hate you. Dust would be an infinitely better game if CCP could nail down proper balance between weapons- each weapon should have a niche in which it is clearly the best weapon, with the magnitude of this best-ness being balanced against how frequently that niche is encountered and how well it performs relatively outside of its niche. This thread should have ended with Rusty Shallows post. Quote: We like to b!tch, we enjoy venting here, and some of us use the forums to mindfuck for any old reason. Go ahead forum warriors take over the thread.
Roofer Madness 1102	Posted - 2014.04.29 19:03:00 - [29] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Topher Mellen wrote: Awry Barux wrote: The one thing the PLC is good for is trolling infantry players with the OHK. Which is enough for me to use it all day long. But don't try to pretend that the PLC is well-balanced, please- it deserves a buff, and you're not helping. I'm not saying it's a super awesome l33t weapon. What I'm saying is that I'm upset that the entire community told me not to bother with the PLC, when it is one of the most entertaining guns in the game, (IMO) and is also not entirely worthless (which is how it was portrayed to me). I have never, and probably will, never care about this buff/nerf crap. You clearly didn't ask the right parts of the community- there are plenty of PLC devotees on the forum, some of them quite vocal. Roofer Madness and his PLC squad channel comes to mind. Ghazbaran is also a PLC master, check out his youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/user/XxGhazbaranxX . Anyway, I'm glad to see another PLC user join the ranks. If you don't care about "buff/nerf crap"... I hate you. Dust would be an infinitely better game if CCP could nail down proper balance between weapons- each weapon should have a niche in which it is clearly the best weapon, with the magnitude of this best-ness being balanced against how frequently that niche is encountered and how well it performs relatively outside of its niche. Well-reasoned balance discussion is one of the, if the not the singular, most important use of the official Dust forums- since the developers do not have the time or inclination to play the game enough to get a really good sense of how balance stacks up, it is our role as players to provide the feedback that they so desperately need. Just for the record - Roidrage started the PLC chat channel "Cannon Fever", though I have been a member for a long time and continue to put together PLC squads using the channel. For some reason my channel, "Plasmaniacs" never caught on.... No - I believe my only notable PLC accomplishment is being the first idiot to take the Fitting Op to 5.... I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2323	Posted - 2014.04.29 19:15:00 - [30] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: Awry Barux wrote: If you don't care about "buff/nerf crap"... I hate you. Dust would be an infinitely better game if CCP could nail down proper balance between weapons- each weapon should have a niche in which it is clearly the best weapon, with the magnitude of this best-ness being balanced against how frequently that niche is encountered and how well it performs relatively outside of its niche. This thread should have ended with Rusty Shallows post. Quote: We like to b!tch, we enjoy venting here, and some of us use the forums to mindfuck for any old reason. Go ahead forum warriors take over the thread. Well, when you title your post "the forums told me X", you should expect the forum warriors to show up. @Roofer: I knew I was forgetting someone. Roidrage FTW! Nerdier than thou

Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 51	Posted - 2014.04.29 19:18:00 - [31] - Quote Quote: Well, when you title your post "the forums told me X", you should expect the forum warriors to show up. @Roofer: I knew I was forgetting someone. Roidrage FTW! You showed up and posted about the wrong thing.
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1378	Posted - 2014.04.29 19:19:00 - [32] - Quote No one told you not to use it, you just assumed. *Assassination is my thing.*
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 51	Posted - 2014.04.29 19:19:00 - [33] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: No one told you not to use it, you just assumed. Read the post again. I was told not to use it.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2326	Posted - 2014.04.29 19:23:00 - [34] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: Quote: Well, when you title your post "the forums told me X", you should expect the forum warriors to show up. @Roofer: I knew I was forgetting someone. Roidrage FTW! You showed up and posted about the wrong thing. I did? How so? You said the forums tried to ruin Dust for you by telling you not to use the plasma cannon. With the current state of the plasma cannon in overall weapon balance, that's really pretty good general advice, unless you take great joy in coaxing the best performance that you can out of blatantly underpowered weapons, which not many people do. Edit: I'm glad to see that you fall into that minority and are enjoying a weapon so dear to me, but I really don't think anyone was out to ruin your Dust experience. Nerdier than thou
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 51	Posted - 2014.04.29 19:36:00 - [35] - Quote I think there is a pretty big gulf in attitude between people who play this game on the weekends and those who cap out every week.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 939	Posted - 2014.04.29 19:56:00 - [36] - Quote PLC is a fun weapon, intentionally held back by CCP laziness. If they'd only fix the bugs then we'd have a terrible but usable weapon. Right now for every kill you get with it you'll get non registering splash, projectiles that go right through things, weird reload glitches. Can you believe the PLC had been in the game an entire year? Never once has it been touched. Apparently the guy who made it got fired, and the guy who was supposed to remove it also got fired.
Toby Flenderson research lab 529	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:05:00 - [37] - Quote Topher Mellen wrote: ... and I believed thine almighty forum, but a couple of weeks ago I decided to take Plasma Cannon to level I for the hell of it. As it turns out I'm getting higher KDRs each match (public matches) using almost exclusively the PC and I'm having a whole lot more fun. Why did the forums try to ruin Dust for me? It's surely one of the most fun ways to play but I definitely can't maintain the KD I could with other weapons. Good for you though sir.
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 53	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:40:00 - [38] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: If they'd only fix the bugs then we'd have a terrible but usable weapon. Right now for every kill you get with it you'll get non registering splash, projectiles that go right through things, weird reload glitches. Now I *have* run into the reload glitches. That is pretty annoying. That should be fixed.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 132	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:27:00 - [39] - Quote Projectile speed too slow, arc too much, reload speed too long, ammo too low, post-fire delay too long :/ How CCP has kept the PLC in this state for so long is beyond me Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2344	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:29:00 - [40] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Projectile speed too slow, arc too much, reload speed too long, ammo too low, post-fire delay too long :/ How CCP has kept the PLC in this state for so long is beyond me Naw the projectile speed and arc and reload speed are fine- I appreciate that it takes serious skill to consistently land one PLC shot after another, and that it a one-shot-at-a-time sort of deal. It just needs something to reward all that skill with something other than mediocre-to-terrible damage. Nerdier than thou



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