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jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1320	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:28:00 - [1] - Quote On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholes, 530k down the ******* drain Nice ccp. I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Lokun Listamenn 885	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:29:00 - [2] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholea, 530k down the ******* drain Nice ccp. Karma maybe? BPOs for Sale Dust Player Since: July 2012 Best Assault Dropship Pilot in the Game
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1372	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:29:00 - [3] - Quote No. Crush them
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1372	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:30:00 - [4] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: No. wtf? Crush them
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1320	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:31:00 - [5] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: No. Leme guess you're the butthurt scrub who cant down a ship so you exploit. I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 509	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:50:00 - [6] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: No. Leme guess you're the butthurt scrub who cant down a ship so you exploit. When one object strikes another and does damage to both I believe that's called physics not an exploit. Remember risk vs reward, that drop ship they crashed into you cost them money as well, and for that matter if you have little Isk then you shouldn't be calling out the pricey toys if you are not prepared to lose them.
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 368	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:51:00 - [7] - Quote Collision damage is horribly broken for drop ships. I have had guys ram me at full speed only to be knocked off course and I have had guys not even touch me enough to move my ship and I go to 0/0. The damage applied by colliding with buildings or the ground is equally as bad. At this point I fly with zero care on if I hit a building due to the fact that it may just stop you quickly and it may just destroy you. I have noticed some inconsistencies with collisions in LAVs and Tanks as well it is just not as obvious.
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1490	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:52:00 - [8] - Quote Situational awareness. That or get some good headphones/ turn the volume up. You can hear another dropship coming a mile away. Me in my ADS: 1,2
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1320	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:54:00 - [9] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Situational awareness. That or get some good headphones/ turn the volume up. You can hear another dropship coming a mile away. Situational aware ness Look for cloakes/volume up, evwn if you fighting an enemy or tank or hes behind you if you die your bad I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 318	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:55:00 - [10] - Quote You deserved to die. Dropship ramming is hard to do, and doesn't always work. Also you should have been more aware. The new commandos should have a better paint job. Look at the Amarr one! Please bring back the Warbage! MTACs?

deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 368	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:55:00 - [11] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Situational awareness. That or get some good headphones/ turn the volume up. You can hear another dropship coming a mile away. I have successfully dodged at times (well thought I dodged) that there was no audible impact yet I still went to 0/0 instantly. Personally I just want to see some consistency first then it can be balanced.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1373	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:56:00 - [12] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: No. Leme guess you're the butthurt scrub who cant down a ship so you exploit. Actually I typed lol and no popped up. DS Pilots are the whiniest bitches right after scouts and tankers. I fucken love destroying them. Even blue ones. I shot a few of my own teams DS down in ambush this afternoon. Crush them
Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 321	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:56:00 - [13] - Quote It's a valid tactic, let it stay. Funny too. I get hatemail when I ram other pilots. ADS pliots HATE getting rammed,
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1320	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:56:00 - [14] - Quote We are 138 wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: No. Leme guess you're the butthurt scrub who cant down a ship so you exploit. When one object strikes another and does damage to both I believe that's called physics not an exploit. Remember risk vs reward, that drop ship they crashed into you cost them money as well, and for that matter if you have little Isk then you shouldn't be calling out the pricey toys if you are not prepared to lose them. Oh yea, no No one ahould be able to pull that **** Im getting tired of this games overpowered atuff, framerate, exploits, glitches And 67k or 28k, big ass risk, and not everyone has 176326 billion isk I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1320	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:57:00 - [15] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: It's a valid tactic, let it stay. Funny too. I get hatemail when I ram other pilots. ADS pliots HATE getting rammed, Its an exploit Make my lav go 5mph and pop any vehicle even a 2 mil vehicle 1 day and fine Oh wait that would be op I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 369	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:59:00 - [16] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: It's a valid tactic, let it stay. Funny too. I get hatemail when I ram other pilots. ADS pliots HATE getting rammed, Its just as valid as when LAVs could brush you on a drive by and still insta kill you. Should we bring that back as well? You can call it valid when it is backed up by a functioning mechanic and not just a random application of some damage.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1320	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:59:00 - [17] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: No. Leme guess you're the butthurt scrub who cant down a ship so you exploit. Actually I typed lol and no popped up. DS Pilots are the whiniest bitches right after scouts and tankers. I fucken love destroying them. Even blue ones. I shot a few of my own teams DS down in ambush this afternoon. Your an assnole then Ads pilots complain because so many things are op against them Forges, I 3 shot ads Ramming exploit, totally unfair Tap mcc 1 mph and die Way too high of an price, should be as or cheaper than tanks I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
POWERTRAP EDDIEKANEJR ZionTCD 10	Posted - 2014.04.29 04:03:00 - [18] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholes, 530k down the ***** drain Nice ccp. Im sorry im just fed up with this game's unbalances glitches and exploits (pc free isk and most people are poor) with the swarm launcher range how else you suppose to down a dropship from goin 30-0 so stop crying I will not let the Borg assimilate me**
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1320	Posted - 2014.04.29 04:05:00 - [19] - Quote POWERTRAP EDDIEKANEJR wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholes, 530k down the ******* drain Nice ccp. Im sorry im just fed up with this game's unbalances glitches and exploits (pc free isk and most people are poor) with the swarm launcher range how else you suppose to down a dropship from goin 30-0 so stop crying yaawn Your ******** post bored me Any ads pilot who goes 30-o has ZERO av resistance, so stop your crying And forge gun, um adv or proto swarms, plus they knock off his aim, um rail turrets, need I say more? I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 498	Posted - 2014.04.29 04:05:00 - [20] - Quote I've lost dozens of millions of ISK to ramming, but I don't think it should be removed completely. Just made more like the old tank ramming mechanics, which was so that you needed to be doing at least ~75% of your max speed to apply full damage and even then you only damaged as much as you had total HP left and took as much damage as the person you rammed had total HP left. Now it's more like doing your possible total HP in damage at any speed and then some more. I've been flying over 4k total HP Incubus and been rammed down by damaged Python with less than 3k possible total HP only because he was slowly coming towards me in a dogfight (where he kept missing) and I thought I could take the very slight collision. The reason I said total HP and not EHP is because hardeners have no effect on ramming as far as I know. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.

JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 148	Posted - 2014.04.29 04:05:00 - [21] - Quote Yeah, it's so cheap. As someone said above, i'd be ok with it if the collision damage made sense 100% of the time. But still it's cheap A.F.
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 369	Posted - 2014.04.29 04:06:00 - [22] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ads pilots complain because so many things are op against them Forges, I 3 shot ads Ramming exploit, totally unfair Tap mcc 1 mph and die Way too high of an price, should be as or cheaper than tanks Forges are in an ok place with a decently fitted dropship. You can either kill the forge gunner (highlighted by the giant glow on the ground) or get away from them MCC damage and ramming goes back to horribly broken collision detection. The hull should be reduced by 100-150k but should cost more than tanks as they provide a good amount of superiority and in a good pilots hands can survive very well.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1320	Posted - 2014.04.29 04:06:00 - [23] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: I've lost dozens of millions of ISK to ramming, but I don't think it should be removed completely. Just made more like the old tank ramming mechanics, which was so that you needed to be doing at least ~75% of your max speed to apply full damage and even then you only damaged as much as you had total HP left and took as much damage as the person you rammed had total HP left. Now it's more like doing your possible total HP in damage at any speed and then some more. I've been flying over 4k total HP Incubus and been rammed down by damaged Python with less than 3k possible total HP only because he was slowly coming towards me in a dogfight (where he/she kept missing) and I thought I could take the very slight collision. The reason I said total HP and not EHP is because hardeners have no effect on ramming as far as I know. Um no Max collision damage shoukd be 1.5k or 500 This is the ******* future We have shields Somebody knew to put some anti collision in so it should be low but nit too low I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1320	Posted - 2014.04.29 04:08:00 - [24] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ads pilots complain because so many things are op against them Forges, I 3 shot ads Ramming exploit, totally unfair Tap mcc 1 mph and die Way too high of an price, should be as or cheaper than tanks Forges are in an ok place with a decently fitted dropship. You can either kill the forge gunner (highlighted by the giant glow on the ground) or get away from them MCC damage and ramming goes back to horribly broken collision detection. The hull should be reduced by 100-150k but should cost more than tanks as they provide a good amount of superiority and in a good pilots hands can survive very well. Not more than tanks total 150k hull price Max collision damage needs to be set, no more than 2k I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 370	Posted - 2014.04.29 04:14:00 - [25] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: deezy dabest wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ads pilots complain because so many things are op against them Forges, I 3 shot ads Ramming exploit, totally unfair Tap mcc 1 mph and die Way too high of an price, should be as or cheaper than tanks Forges are in an ok place with a decently fitted dropship. You can either kill the forge gunner (highlighted by the giant glow on the ground) or get away from them MCC damage and ramming goes back to horribly broken collision detection. The hull should be reduced by 100-150k but should cost more than tanks as they provide a good amount of superiority and in a good pilots hands can survive very well. Not more than tanks total 150k hull price Max collision damage needs to be set, no more than 2k Max collision damage would be a good example of a normal CCP band aid on a bullet wound and fit right in. Applying the physics of an impact have obviously eluded them in every way. I say they just base it on speed and amount of surface contact and call it a day. Rammers can still ram and pilots can actually avoid if they are paying attention.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1373	Posted - 2014.04.29 04:18:00 - [26] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: No. Leme guess you're the butthurt scrub who cant down a ship so you exploit. Actually I typed lol and no popped up. DS Pilots are the whiniest bitches right after scouts and tankers. I fucken love destroying them. Even blue ones. I shot a few of my own teams DS down in ambush this afternoon. Your an assnole then Ads pilots complain because so many things are op against them Forges, I 3 shot ads Ramming exploit, totally unfair Tap mcc 1 mph and die Way too high of an price, should be as or cheaper than tanks you're Crush them
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 501	Posted - 2014.04.29 04:29:00 - [27] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: I've lost dozens of millions of ISK to ramming, but I don't think it should be removed completely. Just made more like the old tank ramming mechanics, which was so that you needed to be doing at least ~75% of your max speed to apply full damage and even then you only damaged as much as you had total HP left and took as much damage as the person you rammed had total HP left. Now it's more like doing your possible total HP in damage at any speed and then some more. I've been flying over 4k total HP Incubus and been rammed down by damaged Python with less than 3k possible total HP only because he was slowly coming towards me in a dogfight (where he/she kept missing) and I thought I could take the very slight collision. The reason I said total HP and not EHP is because hardeners have no effect on ramming as far as I know. Um no Max collision damage shoukd be 1.5k or 500 This is the ******* future We have shields Somebody knew to put some anti collision in so it should be low but nit too low You should be penalized for your mistakes and every collision is pilot error, even if it was someone else ramming you, it was still pilot error. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
Tectonic Fusion 1639	Posted - 2014.04.29 04:32:00 - [28] - Quote No. Squad status: Locked Ehem...OBVIOUSER troll is OBVIOUSER Solo
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 503	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:03:00 - [29] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: I've lost dozens of millions of ISK to ramming, but I don't think it should be removed completely. Just made more like the old tank ramming mechanics, which was so that you needed to be doing at least ~75% of your max speed to apply full damage and even then you only damaged as much as you had total HP left and took as much damage as the person you rammed had total HP left. Now it's more like doing your possible total HP in damage at any speed and then some more. I've been flying over 4k total HP Incubus and been rammed down by damaged Python with less than 3k possible total HP only because he was slowly coming towards me in a dogfight (where he/she kept missing) and I thought I could take the very slight collision. The reason I said total HP and not EHP is because hardeners have no effect on ramming as far as I know. Um no Max collision damage shoukd be 1.5k or 500 This is the ******* future We have shields Somebody knew to put some anti collision in so it should be low but nit too low You should be penalized for your mistakes and every collision is pilot error, even if it was someone else ramming you, it was still pilot error. So if an RVD materializes out of nowhere and smashes my dropship, is my fault? Also, when does tapping a building kill you? I've landed my Myron, and thing goes poor because the ground decided I was moving too fast, but in a grimsnes I can do the same landing twice has hard and survive. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1322	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:20:00 - [30] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: No. Leme guess you're the butthurt scrub who cant down a ship so you exploit. Actually I typed lol and no popped up. DS Pilots are the whiniest bitches right after scouts and tankers. I fucken love destroying them. Even blue ones. I shot a few of my own teams DS down in ambush this afternoon. Your an assnole then Ads pilots complain because so many things are op against them Forges, I 3 shot ads Ramming exploit, totally unfair Tap mcc 1 mph and die Way too high of an price, should be as or cheaper than tanks you're Idc, this is the interwebz I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears

jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1322	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:21:00 - [31] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: I've lost dozens of millions of ISK to ramming, but I don't think it should be removed completely. Just made more like the old tank ramming mechanics, which was so that you needed to be doing at least ~75% of your max speed to apply full damage and even then you only damaged as much as you had total HP left and took as much damage as the person you rammed had total HP left. Now it's more like doing your possible total HP in damage at any speed and then some more. I've been flying over 4k total HP Incubus and been rammed down by damaged Python with less than 3k possible total HP only because he was slowly coming towards me in a dogfight (where he/she kept missing) and I thought I could take the very slight collision. The reason I said total HP and not EHP is because hardeners have no effect on ramming as far as I know. Um no Max collision damage shoukd be 1.5k or 500 This is the ******* future We have shields Somebody knew to put some anti collision in so it should be low but nit too low You should be penalized for your mistakes and every collision is pilot error, even if it was someone else ramming you, it was still pilot error. You do know its called accidents, and it should damage you not kill you And have you ever heard of they come behind you or im not going to do nothing all game That match I killed 2 tanks and a gorgon I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 677	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:26:00 - [32] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholes, 530k down the ******* drain Nice ccp. Im sorry im just fed up with this game's unbalances glitches and exploits (pc free isk and most people are poor) Personally I would do it every match if I could fly, IMO it's the most OP thing in the game if your a good pilot. Swoop in kill five guys, take a hit, after burners to the sky out of reach, repair repeat, this thread screams nerf my only counter! My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 182	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:29:00 - [33] - Quote Sorry. I have to say no to this. ADS have way too much hp as it is. Repair out of being on fire not broken? Yeah. Right. There's no hard counter to drop ships. I have maxed out swarms and you get to face tank until I run out of ammo? Get the ** out. ^^CCP IGNORES ALL SNIPER RELATED ISSUES^^**
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 4465	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:30:00 - [34] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholes, 530k down the ******* drain Nice ccp. Im sorry im just fed up with this game's unbalances glitches and exploits (pc free isk and most people are poor) You're not sorry. I've seen you complain about Missile Turrets and getting rammed by dropships. Does your complaining know no bounds? I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1322	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:31:00 - [35] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholes, 530k down the ******* drain Nice ccp. Im sorry im just fed up with this game's unbalances glitches and exploits (pc free isk and most people are poor) Personally I would do it every match if I could fly, IMO it's the most OP thing in the game if your a good pilot. Swoop in kill five guys, take a hit, after burners to the sky out of reach, repair repeat, this thread screams nerf my only counter! Umm, no Counters are: Forge guns Rail turrets Adv or proto swarms Etc The problem I have is ramming I had a decent fit and dodged fire, I killed 2 tanks, gunlogi and soma, with help of a swarmer for soma, and a gorgon, he had no right to do that, he came from behind at 100 mph I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1322	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:32:00 - [36] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholes, 530k down the ******* drain Nice ccp. Im sorry im just fed up with this game's unbalances glitches and exploits (pc free isk and most people are poor) You're not sorry. I've seen you complain about Missile Turrets and getting rammed by dropships. Does your complaining know no bounds? My complaints are ONLY from instakills Like xt missiles with damage mods Just slightly lower rof, maybe, decrease time to reload so its not painful and nerf all damage mods, is all I want for missile turrets, or just buff reload and nerf damage mods. I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
M1A1 Blaster Master Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 1	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:32:00 - [37] - Quote Must be DNS exploiting.
Khan Hun Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 97	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:36:00 - [38] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Umm, no Counters are: Forge guns Rail turrets Adv or proto swarms Etc The problem I have is ramming I had a decent fit and dodged fire, I killed 2 tanks, gunlogi and soma, with help of a swarmer for soma, and a gorgon, he had no right to do that, he came from behind at 100 mph Adv swarms are absolutely not a counter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls7hOEdNgXE&list=UUy11xToip47aIW0M9TSOKrQ I know, I skilled into it and blew all my FW LP on swarms, complete waste of time.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4584	Posted - 2014.04.29 06:20:00 - [39] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholes, 530k down the ******* drain Nice ccp. Im sorry im just fed up with this game's unbalances glitches and exploits (pc free isk and most people are poor) wait, broken? I actually would prefer to know why when two tanks ram each other who should weight literal tons... why they seem to create TP's instead of hurting each other like they should. Doesn't seem like a broken mechanic to me, but neither is it all that cool that 500k ISK dropship can be countered easily by a MLT dropship throw away. Maybe a collision nerf depending on meta level? n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4036	Posted - 2014.04.29 06:34:00 - [40] - Quote I don't think it counts when it's your poor flight skills that are exploited. No.

jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1322	Posted - 2014.04.29 06:36:00 - [41] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: I don't think it counts when it's your poor flight skills that are exploited. Exept I don't have eyes behind my dropship when im killing tanks... I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Top Men. 117	Posted - 2014.04.29 06:47:00 - [42] - Quote Ramming should be 'v'alid' only if you have to be going near or at full speed, and only if you have more as much HP as your taget. Nudging another ship should't be enough to explode it. Unless you pack R.E.s on it of course. OF course pilots should not be immune to collision damage. At the moment however, its rediculous. By the same reasoning a soma merely brushing a madrugar should explode both tanks. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1324	Posted - 2014.04.29 06:50:00 - [43] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Ramming should be 'v'alid' only if you have to be going near or at full speed, and only if you have more as much HP as your taget. Nudging another ship should't be enough to explode it. Unless you pack R.E.s on it of course. OF course pilots should not be immune to collision damage. At the moment however, its rediculous. By the same reasoning a soma merely brushing a madrugar should explode both tanks. Exactly But if your shields are full you shouldn't die by collision damage in 1 hit, because you know shields I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 1578	Posted - 2014.04.29 07:02:00 - [44] - Quote Dropship ramming's a ** tactic, and 'then dodge them' is equally as flawed as anti-cloakers saying 'just look at them' AT LEAST 40% of the time, NOTHIN RENDERS. Judge has proven it- the 'shimmer' doesn't even render half the time. That remote the scout threw? Yeah the sound didn't render. That shotgunner who mowed your entire team down? Chances are it didn't even render the sound *** correctly. Who's to say the Dropshipper rendered? Also- with the way Ds sounds are, the growling noise isn't even localised around the DS, just added into your helmet for god knows why. Only that low, humming noise of the ACTUAL engines. So yeah. When CCP actually makes ** render correctly, then ramming can be valid. Until then, it's ridiculous, and it's comical at best. General John Ripper Like ALL the things!!!
akira 1999 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 58	Posted - 2014.04.29 07:15:00 - [45] - Quote it's called griefing... valid eve universe tactic used since sometime in 2003 when the first guy killed someone else in the game.. sorry dude but I am going to kill you any way I can. and it is a valid tactic to counter ADS is to use a cheap militia DS and ram it out of the air. don't want to lose the ADS... don't use it in pubs then.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1381	Posted - 2014.04.29 08:12:00 - [46] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholes, 530k down the ******* drain Nice ccp. Im sorry im just fed up with this game's unbalances glitches and exploits (pc free isk and most people are poor) Personally I would do it every match if I could fly, IMO it's the most OP thing in the game if your a good pilot. Swoop in kill five guys, take a hit, after burners to the sky out of reach, repair repeat, this thread screams nerf my only counter! Umm, no Counters are: Forge guns Rail turrets Adv or proto swarms Etc The problem I have is ramming I had a decent fit and dodged fire, I killed 2 tanks, gunlogi and soma, with help of a swarmer for soma, and a gorgon, he had no right to do that, he came from behind at 100 mph So you can destroy millions in equipment but he's a bad guy for destroying your ADS? Crush them
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 504	Posted - 2014.04.29 10:02:00 - [47] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: I've lost dozens of millions of ISK to ramming, but I don't think it should be removed completely. Just made more like the old tank ramming mechanics, which was so that you needed to be doing at least ~75% of your max speed to apply full damage and even then you only damaged as much as you had total HP left and took as much damage as the person you rammed had total HP left. Now it's more like doing your possible total HP in damage at any speed and then some more. I've been flying over 4k total HP Incubus and been rammed down by damaged Python with less than 3k possible total HP only because he was slowly coming towards me in a dogfight (where he/she kept missing) and I thought I could take the very slight collision. The reason I said total HP and not EHP is because hardeners have no effect on ramming as far as I know. Um no Max collision damage shoukd be 1.5k or 500 This is the ******* future We have shields Somebody knew to put some anti collision in so it should be low but nit too low You should be penalized for your mistakes and every collision is pilot error, even if it was someone else ramming you, it was still pilot error. So if an RVD materializes out of nowhere and smashes my dropship, is my fault? Also, when does tapping a building kill you? I've landed my Myron, and thing goes poor because the ground decided I was moving too fast, but in a grimsnes I can do the same landing twice has hard and survive. RDV is very annoying, but if you are not aware of the risks when decending so low and close to infantry, then it is your fault. I get rammed by RDVs alot and most of those are unavoidable, but what it means is that I put myself in that situation and it was my mistake. I curse everytime I get downed by RDV but I don't try to blame anyone other than myself for it. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 504	Posted - 2014.04.29 10:04:00 - [48] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: I've lost dozens of millions of ISK to ramming, but I don't think it should be removed completely. Just made more like the old tank ramming mechanics, which was so that you needed to be doing at least ~75% of your max speed to apply full damage and even then you only damaged as much as you had total HP left and took as much damage as the person you rammed had total HP left. Now it's more like doing your possible total HP in damage at any speed and then some more. I've been flying over 4k total HP Incubus and been rammed down by damaged Python with less than 3k possible total HP only because he was slowly coming towards me in a dogfight (where he/she kept missing) and I thought I could take the very slight collision. The reason I said total HP and not EHP is because hardeners have no effect on ramming as far as I know. Um no Max collision damage shoukd be 1.5k or 500 This is the ******* future We have shields Somebody knew to put some anti collision in so it should be low but nit too low You should be penalized for your mistakes and every collision is pilot error, even if it was someone else ramming you, it was still pilot error. You do know its called accidents, and it should damage you not kill you And have you ever heard of they come behind you or im not going to do nothing all game That match I killed 2 tanks and a gorgon Situational awareness. Are you gonna cry scouts shouldn't exist when they come from behind you and stab you to death? R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
LT apparition Molon Labe. 88	Posted - 2014.04.29 10:30:00 - [49] - Quote HAHAHA BE A BETTER PILOT ... Nugget... Oh and its called situational Awareness, if you get rammed its your own Fault.. I'm An ADS Pilot, and Even i Ram my ** Dropships Into Other ADS... its fun PS Edit Note: " Some one already mentioned Situation Awareness"** We Fight, We Kill, You Die, The End.
Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army 34	Posted - 2014.04.29 11:09:00 - [50] - Quote militia dropship vs 500k assault dropship well militia dropship still wins heheh and the person who bumb your dropship cost him 50k and you 500k that will really **** u off

Marcus Stormfire G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 21	Posted - 2014.04.30 19:55:00 - [51] - Quote So much drama on this thread it is glorious. I do a lot of AV and this is what I have to say out of experience with swarms. You can destroy an assault drop ship with ADV swarms if you fit right and have the proper skills. They are tough to take down but you have to engage on your terms otherwise you are wasting swarms. I love dropping proto fit assault ships that get right up on you then realizing a little too late that volleys of seeking death missiles are hitting them. I do lose some expensive suits going after them but that is just the way it is. Death by collision is a valid tactic, it has been used throughout human history and gaming history. You have to adapt to the situation around you. Do you really want CCP to start duct taping pillows to flying death machines so they can gracefully bump together like clouds? I do agree that there is something funky with collision detection that needs to be fixed. Some times i land on a building and I am fine. Other times I pop like a balloon. Whenever I fly a Python I already know I am not landing it. I am flying it until it dies or until the match is over. -Marcus -I don't always kill Mercs with a sidearm, But when I do I use militia.
Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 328	Posted - 2014.05.01 01:22:00 - [52] - Quote Keep the mechanic, if it works it works. Like the idiots on the scout threads say,"use ur eyes!"
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 300	Posted - 2014.05.01 15:32:00 - [53] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: I don't think it counts when it's your poor flight skills that are exploited. Exept I don't have eyes behind my dropship when im killing tanks... But you have them on the ground. Other teammates always can warn you. I don't understand why some people compare tanks ram with dropship rams - they are 2 completely separate things. In real world tanks can ram, but it doesn't mean they g out of it undamaged, they also not instantly explode because of it. At the other hand I did not seen a single planes collision that would not change to giant ball of fire.. I'm here since may 2012, my EVE alter ego is Nosum Hseebnrido.
Jimbo Boilstaff THE MASSIVE DYNAMIC 108	Posted - 2014.05.01 16:08:00 - [54] - Quote The problem with dropship v dropship collision damage is that, in all situations.... Gallente > Caldari Regardless of whether its a militia/standard/proto ship (not that tier should make a difference here) The end result is that Gallente ships have an extra tactic against Caldari, i.e the 1-tap insta-kill that leaves the Gallente ship pretty much in tact,,, and the Caldari one flaming to the ground.... If DS collisions should insta-kill because they're flying deathtraps... then fine,,, but it should be insta-kill for both ships involved,,, particularly as the 'attacking' ship typically has way more momentum than the victim ship Yes this'll still mean militia ships can knock out ADS's,, but so be it-- we can't be invincible flying machines... Either that, or a DS to DS collision measures the impact and determines damage, rather than auto-assigning insta-kill on the Caldari ship, and minimal damage to the Gallente one. Just the way it's setup there's a major benefit to having a Gallente ship, which isn't counter-balanced by the Caldari ships by any mechanism (anyone citing speed for this clearly doesn't understand dropship balance mechanics, since the Caldari speed already FAIRLY counters other benefits of the Gallente) Fine, you can say well... Just use Gallente ships then... But that would be missing the point of having a game with different classes... why bother having 2 classes if one is fatally flawed against the other? Let's make them all work fairly.... As with landing,,, a little squirt of the boosters before your ship touches down usually minimises shield loss,, though it's tough to land with 0 damage to shields at all.
Forlorn Destrier 2400	Posted - 2014.05.01 18:14:00 - [55] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholes, 530k down the ******* drain Nice ccp. Im sorry im just fed up with this game's unbalances glitches and exploits (pc free isk and most people are poor) Collisions are not exploits. I fly and get hit too - usually when I'm not paying attention to the airspace around me.
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 185	Posted - 2014.05.02 05:11:00 - [56] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Dropship ramming's a ** tactic, and 'then dodge them' is equally as flawed as anti-cloakers saying 'just look at them' AT LEAST 40% of the time, NOTHIN RENDERS. Judge has proven it- the 'shimmer' doesn't even render half the time. That remote the scout threw? Yeah the sound didn't render. That shotgunner who mowed your entire team down? Chances are it didn't even render the sound *** correctly. Who's to say the Dropshipper rendered? Also- with the way Ds sounds are, the growling noise isn't even localised around the DS, just added into your helmet for god knows why. Only that low, humming noise of the ACTUAL engines. So yeah. When CCP actually makes render correctly, then ramming can be valid. Until then, it's ridiculous, and it's comical at best. Yeah my python got rammed and blown up because of z-fighting particles. Said no one, ever. You think you have it bad now, try sniping in the past builds. ^^CCP IGNORES ALL SNIPER RELATED ISSUES^^**
Ceadda Sai Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 14	Posted - 2014.05.02 07:02:00 - [57] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: No. Leme guess you're the butthurt scrub who cant down a ship so you exploit. Actually I typed lol and no popped up. DS Pilots are the whiniest bitches right after scouts and tankers. I fucken love destroying them. Even blue ones. I shot a few of my own teams DS down in ambush this afternoon. Is this guy an exploit? A blue rammed my ds with his tank as I was waiting to pick my squad up at the start of a match. Looked pretty intentional. Forge Gunners: Now this is a gun for going out and and making people miserable with.
Dravok Silverblood Tight Crew 29	Posted - 2014.05.02 12:40:00 - [58] - Quote Ceadda Sai wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: No. Leme guess you're the butthurt scrub who cant down a ship so you exploit. Actually I typed lol and no popped up. DS Pilots are the whiniest bitches right after scouts and tankers. I fucken love destroying them. Even blue ones. I shot a few of my own teams DS down in ambush this afternoon. Is this guy an exploit? A blue rammed my ds with his tank as I was waiting to pick my squad up at the start of a match. Looked pretty intentional. # 19 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153034 Yes i think in pubs it should be fixed so this can't be done. factional, pc, leave it. In factional you can shoot your own team and pc your team shouldn't be that dumb. And I'm talking about blue on blue ramming. I am all for red on red ramming. however python takes 100% collidable damage and incubus only 55%. I just want conformation that thats not a bug. Amarr are the ramming ship race. can't wait for my amarr version of the apoc lol like 15% collidable damage i would imagian. Its not a Tank AV problem its a madrugar regen problem. 2. Its not a cloak shotgun problem its a assualt scout issue.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1044	Posted - 2014.05.07 19:35:00 - [59] - Quote Given a good enough physics simulation, the collisions are essential part of gameplay, and create some of the most memorable events in game. :-S
Derp Fap Squad Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.05.08 18:03:00 - [60] - Quote Must... invent... the jihad dropship....

Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Top Men. 377	Posted - 2014.05.08 20:29:00 - [61] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholes, 530k down the ******* drain Nice ccp. Im sorry im just fed up with this game's unbalances glitches and exploits (pc free isk and most people are poor) Come fly with me bro, I watch your back. I haven't been kamikazed in weeks, successfully. At cal assault ads 4 they don't get too close without risking being popped in a clip. Those rail incubus tho.... FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Top Men. 377	Posted - 2014.05.08 20:30:00 - [62] - Quote akira 1999 wrote: it's called griefing... valid eve universe tactic used since sometime in 2003 when the first guy killed someone else in the game.. sorry dude but I am going to kill you any way I can. and it is a valid tactic to counter ADS is to use a cheap militia DS and ram it out of the air. don't want to lose the ADS... don't use it in pubs then. And practice where? FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
Mormon Missionary Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2014.05.08 22:48:00 - [63] - Quote Fix swarms first. then I'll come to the table and talk. Swarms are so useless against drop ships it's not even funny.
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Top Men. 380	Posted - 2014.05.09 03:31:00 - [64] - Quote Mormon Missionary wrote: Fix swarms first. then I'll come to the table and talk. Swarms are so useless against drop ships it's not even funny. Against a good pilot with gunners and all are sp sinked, few AV teams even pose a threat. But that would be true of any 3 man coordinated proto fire team. The issue you face is that only pilots with skill fly. A skilled pilot will be very difficult to take down. Btw, I only have basic swarms and take down pythons and Inc's often. Not people like sir snug or pvt, but randoms. Bide your time and wait for that salvo that matters knock those ships into structures or wait for a forge to hit. FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 323	Posted - 2014.05.12 10:00:00 - [65] - Quote Only thing that pisses me off about this ,is that when their dropship lives after kamakazi'n your ass. If two mfkn jets collide, you think the other one is going to fly away? Hell no. Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 547	Posted - 2014.05.12 10:09:00 - [66] - Quote thesupertman wrote: You deserved to die. Dropship ramming is hard to do, and doesn't always work. Also you should have been more aware. Thats a lame answer for broken mechanics too, it's called passive radar, but guess what, it didn't work either. lol DESTINY
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 19	Posted - 2014.05.12 11:30:00 - [67] - Quote Mormon Missionary wrote: Fix swarms first. then I'll come to the table and talk. Swarms are so useless against drop ships it's not even funny. As long as you are talking about a game and nothing regarding your name. Except swarms are fine. Running free AV fits shouldn't take down anything. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
Powerh8er Arrogance. Caps and Mercs 418	Posted - 2014.05.13 02:40:00 - [68] - Quote If i can't down a python dropship with three very succesfull hits from the gastun's forge gun with profiency 4 and a dmg mod, how are new or less skilled players able to? With swarm launchers? No! Ramming is a valid & funny tactic. Git gud.
Argetlam Thorson Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 37	Posted - 2014.05.16 18:20:00 - [69] - Quote Derp Fap Squad wrote: Must... invent... the jihad dropship.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyCmuLdE38g
Argetlam Thorson Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 37	Posted - 2014.05.16 18:23:00 - [70] - Quote Spartan MK420 wrote: Only thing that pisses me off about this ,is that when their dropship lives after kamakazi'n your ass. If two mfkn jets collide, you think the other one is going to fly away? Hell no. Yeah, but when I build an airborne tank, should I not survive? My boat has 4300 HP to your 2700, so I should be knocking that caldari scrapheap all over the map and still surviving. Course this means I pay the price of being slow, but sometimes the tankiness is worth it.

Al the destroyer NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 134	Posted - 2014.05.18 20:21:00 - [71] - Quote Ramming is a valid tactic when I try to shoot down drop shops with my swarms it doesn't even tickle them when I see an ads rammed I think I wish I could fly one and ram it up his a** keep your head on a swivel don't be so worried about kills maybe you'll save your drop ship. I like to pay ppl isk in my squad who ram ADS! Still playing having more fun than ever cuz IDGAF.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1436	Posted - 2014.05.18 22:11:00 - [72] - Quote Dropship ramming should stay as collision damage is an important way of forcing pilots to fly carefully. Just because it doesn't involve a huge SP or ISK investment doesn't mean it is any less valid than your stomping infantry with your ADS. That being said CCP does need to work on making collision damage more consistant accross the board. Remember CCP F=ma that should be the basis of your damage calculations. Fun > Realism
TunRa Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 616	Posted - 2014.05.19 05:17:00 - [73] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholes, 530k down the ******* drain Nice ccp. Im sorry im just fed up with this game's unbalances glitches and exploits (pc free isk and most people are poor) First off, I hate you and I always will. Secondly If I turn on my afterburner and ram a dropship that other guy is going down. You took my gif, back to FoxFour
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 177	Posted - 2014.05.20 06:18:00 - [74] - Quote This is the same b*tching that tankers started up when Jihad Jeeping became a thing. If you dont have the ISK learn to play cheap. Just because you have the expensive gear, doesnt mean you have to use it. I run a 15k suit now and am having the best of times All empires fall. We'll be watching, we'll be waiting. And our patience has born great fruits.
XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V. 1353	Posted - 2014.05.22 02:22:00 - [75] - Quote I'll say this; there should be a modifier in damage from ramming because it's not fair to lose a 525k ADS to a 40k militia dropship; the thing is that I can kill 10 of them and they just keep on coming till they get the job done.... I had one time where they brought in 3 militia dropships just to ram me. Plasma Cannon Advocate Dust 514 Survivor
Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army Freek Alliance 47	Posted - 2014.05.22 07:55:00 - [76] - Quote this is getting annoying you got a 400k dropship and ram you with a cheap militia dropship they need to fix this they should not make it a 1 hit kill just damage it a little people using this a tactic now a days ... its damn annoying ..
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 790	Posted - 2014.05.22 21:48:00 - [77] - Quote r u ppl stupid?!?!?!. its not called a militia dropship any more. call it by its proper name. a self guided missile!. asides from that. ramming should stay. if i have to deal with re covered lavs trying to ram me. im pretty sure the ads is more than capable of dealing with an un fitted mlt dropship. dust 514 shall be eternal. pve for dust 514. oh look. FF somehow made dust better!.
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1273	Posted - 2014.05.23 11:30:00 - [78] - Quote thesupertman wrote: You deserved to die. Dropship ramming is hard to do, and doesn't always work. Also you should have been more aware. hard to do. While I don't agree it is an exploit, it is pretty damn annoying. I dodge most suicide dropships, there are still quite a few that I only see as their head lights come into view, which is far to late. The most disappointing is when you go to restock and you land next to a SD and then they ram you in the red line. Its basically JLAVing but with far less skill or risk. In all reality its funny they can't kill probably the easiest vehicle to destroy in the game by any other means except ramming it. Its kind of flattering, if my dropships didn't cost so much I wouldn't mind it....so much.
THUNDERGROOVE The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 806	Posted - 2014.05.23 16:57:00 - [79] - Quote As annoying as it is, git gud. You're in an assault dropship which is much much more maneuverable. Get some situational awareness. TDBS Fight heavy spam with plasma cannons!
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1526	Posted - 2014.05.25 00:27:00 - [80] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: thesupertman wrote: You deserved to die. Dropship ramming is hard to do, and doesn't always work. Also you should have been more aware. hard to do. While I don't agree it is an exploit, it is pretty damn annoying. I dodge most suicide dropships, there are still quite a few that I only see as their head lights come into view, which is far to late. The most disappointing is when you go to restock and you land next to a SD and then they ram you in the red line. Its basically JLAVing but with far less skill or risk. In all reality its funny they can't kill probably the easiest vehicle to destroy in the game by any other means except ramming it. Its kind of flattering, if my dropships didn't cost so much I wouldn't mind it....so much. Me neither but losing 500k from behind or having to recall is annoying. Fyi thread was made when people tried to ram all day Max ram damage should be 2k, and tone down non max speed colisions and I'd be fine. Closed beta vet.



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