DUST Search - CCP FIX THE DROPSHIP RAMMING

Dauth Jenkins wrote:

MarasdF Loron wrote:

jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:

MarasdF Loron wrote:

I've lost dozens of millions of ISK to ramming, but I don't think it should be removed completely. Just made more like the old tank ramming mechanics, which was so that you needed to be doing at least ~75% of your max speed to apply full damage and even then you only damaged as much as you had total HP left and took as much damage as the person you rammed had total HP left. Now it's more like doing your possible total HP in damage at any speed and then some more. I've been flying over 4k total HP Incubus and been rammed down by damaged Python with less than 3k possible total HP only because he was slowly coming towards me in a dogfight (where he/she kept missing) and I thought I could take the very slight collision.

The reason I said total HP and not EHP is because hardeners have no effect on ramming as far as I know.

Um no
Max collision damage shoukd be 1.5k or 500
This is the ******* future
We have shields
Somebody knew to put some anti collision in so it should be low but nit too low

You should be penalized for your mistakes and every collision is pilot error, even if it was someone else ramming you, it was still pilot error.

So if an RVD materializes out of nowhere and smashes my dropship, is my fault? Also, when does tapping a building kill you? I've landed my Myron, and thing goes poor because the ground decided I was moving too fast, but in a grimsnes I can do the same landing twice has hard and survive.

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jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1322	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:21:00 - [31] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: I've lost dozens of millions of ISK to ramming, but I don't think it should be removed completely. Just made more like the old tank ramming mechanics, which was so that you needed to be doing at least ~75% of your max speed to apply full damage and even then you only damaged as much as you had total HP left and took as much damage as the person you rammed had total HP left. Now it's more like doing your possible total HP in damage at any speed and then some more. I've been flying over 4k total HP Incubus and been rammed down by damaged Python with less than 3k possible total HP only because he was slowly coming towards me in a dogfight (where he/she kept missing) and I thought I could take the very slight collision. The reason I said total HP and not EHP is because hardeners have no effect on ramming as far as I know. Um no Max collision damage shoukd be 1.5k or 500 This is the ******* future We have shields Somebody knew to put some anti collision in so it should be low but nit too low You should be penalized for your mistakes and every collision is pilot error, even if it was someone else ramming you, it was still pilot error. You do know its called accidents, and it should damage you not kill you And have you ever heard of they come behind you or im not going to do nothing all game That match I killed 2 tanks and a gorgon I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 677	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:26:00 - [32] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholes, 530k down the ******* drain Nice ccp. Im sorry im just fed up with this game's unbalances glitches and exploits (pc free isk and most people are poor) Personally I would do it every match if I could fly, IMO it's the most OP thing in the game if your a good pilot. Swoop in kill five guys, take a hit, after burners to the sky out of reach, repair repeat, this thread screams nerf my only counter! My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 182	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:29:00 - [33] - Quote Sorry. I have to say no to this. ADS have way too much hp as it is. Repair out of being on fire not broken? Yeah. Right. There's no hard counter to drop ships. I have maxed out swarms and you get to face tank until I run out of ammo? Get the ** out. ^^CCP IGNORES ALL SNIPER RELATED ISSUES^^**
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 4465	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:30:00 - [34] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholes, 530k down the ******* drain Nice ccp. Im sorry im just fed up with this game's unbalances glitches and exploits (pc free isk and most people are poor) You're not sorry. I've seen you complain about Missile Turrets and getting rammed by dropships. Does your complaining know no bounds? I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1322	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:31:00 - [35] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholes, 530k down the ******* drain Nice ccp. Im sorry im just fed up with this game's unbalances glitches and exploits (pc free isk and most people are poor) Personally I would do it every match if I could fly, IMO it's the most OP thing in the game if your a good pilot. Swoop in kill five guys, take a hit, after burners to the sky out of reach, repair repeat, this thread screams nerf my only counter! Umm, no Counters are: Forge guns Rail turrets Adv or proto swarms Etc The problem I have is ramming I had a decent fit and dodged fire, I killed 2 tanks, gunlogi and soma, with help of a swarmer for soma, and a gorgon, he had no right to do that, he came from behind at 100 mph I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1322	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:32:00 - [36] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholes, 530k down the ******* drain Nice ccp. Im sorry im just fed up with this game's unbalances glitches and exploits (pc free isk and most people are poor) You're not sorry. I've seen you complain about Missile Turrets and getting rammed by dropships. Does your complaining know no bounds? My complaints are ONLY from instakills Like xt missiles with damage mods Just slightly lower rof, maybe, decrease time to reload so its not painful and nerf all damage mods, is all I want for missile turrets, or just buff reload and nerf damage mods. I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
M1A1 Blaster Master Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 1	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:32:00 - [37] - Quote Must be DNS exploiting.
Khan Hun Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 97	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:36:00 - [38] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Umm, no Counters are: Forge guns Rail turrets Adv or proto swarms Etc The problem I have is ramming I had a decent fit and dodged fire, I killed 2 tanks, gunlogi and soma, with help of a swarmer for soma, and a gorgon, he had no right to do that, he came from behind at 100 mph Adv swarms are absolutely not a counter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls7hOEdNgXE&list=UUy11xToip47aIW0M9TSOKrQ I know, I skilled into it and blew all my FW LP on swarms, complete waste of time.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4584	Posted - 2014.04.29 06:20:00 - [39] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholes, 530k down the ******* drain Nice ccp. Im sorry im just fed up with this game's unbalances glitches and exploits (pc free isk and most people are poor) wait, broken? I actually would prefer to know why when two tanks ram each other who should weight literal tons... why they seem to create TP's instead of hurting each other like they should. Doesn't seem like a broken mechanic to me, but neither is it all that cool that 500k ISK dropship can be countered easily by a MLT dropship throw away. Maybe a collision nerf depending on meta level? n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4036	Posted - 2014.04.29 06:34:00 - [40] - Quote I don't think it counts when it's your poor flight skills that are exploited. No.

jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1322	Posted - 2014.04.29 06:36:00 - [41] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: I don't think it counts when it's your poor flight skills that are exploited. Exept I don't have eyes behind my dropship when im killing tanks... I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Top Men. 117	Posted - 2014.04.29 06:47:00 - [42] - Quote Ramming should be 'v'alid' only if you have to be going near or at full speed, and only if you have more as much HP as your taget. Nudging another ship should't be enough to explode it. Unless you pack R.E.s on it of course. OF course pilots should not be immune to collision damage. At the moment however, its rediculous. By the same reasoning a soma merely brushing a madrugar should explode both tanks. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1324	Posted - 2014.04.29 06:50:00 - [43] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Ramming should be 'v'alid' only if you have to be going near or at full speed, and only if you have more as much HP as your taget. Nudging another ship should't be enough to explode it. Unless you pack R.E.s on it of course. OF course pilots should not be immune to collision damage. At the moment however, its rediculous. By the same reasoning a soma merely brushing a madrugar should explode both tanks. Exactly But if your shields are full you shouldn't die by collision damage in 1 hit, because you know shields I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 1578	Posted - 2014.04.29 07:02:00 - [44] - Quote Dropship ramming's a ** tactic, and 'then dodge them' is equally as flawed as anti-cloakers saying 'just look at them' AT LEAST 40% of the time, NOTHIN RENDERS. Judge has proven it- the 'shimmer' doesn't even render half the time. That remote the scout threw? Yeah the sound didn't render. That shotgunner who mowed your entire team down? Chances are it didn't even render the sound *** correctly. Who's to say the Dropshipper rendered? Also- with the way Ds sounds are, the growling noise isn't even localised around the DS, just added into your helmet for god knows why. Only that low, humming noise of the ACTUAL engines. So yeah. When CCP actually makes ** render correctly, then ramming can be valid. Until then, it's ridiculous, and it's comical at best. General John Ripper Like ALL the things!!!
akira 1999 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 58	Posted - 2014.04.29 07:15:00 - [45] - Quote it's called griefing... valid eve universe tactic used since sometime in 2003 when the first guy killed someone else in the game.. sorry dude but I am going to kill you any way I can. and it is a valid tactic to counter ADS is to use a cheap militia DS and ram it out of the air. don't want to lose the ADS... don't use it in pubs then.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1381	Posted - 2014.04.29 08:12:00 - [46] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholes, 530k down the ******* drain Nice ccp. Im sorry im just fed up with this game's unbalances glitches and exploits (pc free isk and most people are poor) Personally I would do it every match if I could fly, IMO it's the most OP thing in the game if your a good pilot. Swoop in kill five guys, take a hit, after burners to the sky out of reach, repair repeat, this thread screams nerf my only counter! Umm, no Counters are: Forge guns Rail turrets Adv or proto swarms Etc The problem I have is ramming I had a decent fit and dodged fire, I killed 2 tanks, gunlogi and soma, with help of a swarmer for soma, and a gorgon, he had no right to do that, he came from behind at 100 mph So you can destroy millions in equipment but he's a bad guy for destroying your ADS? Crush them
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 504	Posted - 2014.04.29 10:02:00 - [47] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: I've lost dozens of millions of ISK to ramming, but I don't think it should be removed completely. Just made more like the old tank ramming mechanics, which was so that you needed to be doing at least ~75% of your max speed to apply full damage and even then you only damaged as much as you had total HP left and took as much damage as the person you rammed had total HP left. Now it's more like doing your possible total HP in damage at any speed and then some more. I've been flying over 4k total HP Incubus and been rammed down by damaged Python with less than 3k possible total HP only because he was slowly coming towards me in a dogfight (where he/she kept missing) and I thought I could take the very slight collision. The reason I said total HP and not EHP is because hardeners have no effect on ramming as far as I know. Um no Max collision damage shoukd be 1.5k or 500 This is the ******* future We have shields Somebody knew to put some anti collision in so it should be low but nit too low You should be penalized for your mistakes and every collision is pilot error, even if it was someone else ramming you, it was still pilot error. So if an RVD materializes out of nowhere and smashes my dropship, is my fault? Also, when does tapping a building kill you? I've landed my Myron, and thing goes poor because the ground decided I was moving too fast, but in a grimsnes I can do the same landing twice has hard and survive. RDV is very annoying, but if you are not aware of the risks when decending so low and close to infantry, then it is your fault. I get rammed by RDVs alot and most of those are unavoidable, but what it means is that I put myself in that situation and it was my mistake. I curse everytime I get downed by RDV but I don't try to blame anyone other than myself for it. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 504	Posted - 2014.04.29 10:04:00 - [48] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: I've lost dozens of millions of ISK to ramming, but I don't think it should be removed completely. Just made more like the old tank ramming mechanics, which was so that you needed to be doing at least ~75% of your max speed to apply full damage and even then you only damaged as much as you had total HP left and took as much damage as the person you rammed had total HP left. Now it's more like doing your possible total HP in damage at any speed and then some more. I've been flying over 4k total HP Incubus and been rammed down by damaged Python with less than 3k possible total HP only because he was slowly coming towards me in a dogfight (where he/she kept missing) and I thought I could take the very slight collision. The reason I said total HP and not EHP is because hardeners have no effect on ramming as far as I know. Um no Max collision damage shoukd be 1.5k or 500 This is the ******* future We have shields Somebody knew to put some anti collision in so it should be low but nit too low You should be penalized for your mistakes and every collision is pilot error, even if it was someone else ramming you, it was still pilot error. You do know its called accidents, and it should damage you not kill you And have you ever heard of they come behind you or im not going to do nothing all game That match I killed 2 tanks and a gorgon Situational awareness. Are you gonna cry scouts shouldn't exist when they come from behind you and stab you to death? R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
LT apparition Molon Labe. 88	Posted - 2014.04.29 10:30:00 - [49] - Quote HAHAHA BE A BETTER PILOT ... Nugget... Oh and its called situational Awareness, if you get rammed its your own Fault.. I'm An ADS Pilot, and Even i Ram my ** Dropships Into Other ADS... its fun PS Edit Note: " Some one already mentioned Situation Awareness"** We Fight, We Kill, You Die, The End.
Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army 34	Posted - 2014.04.29 11:09:00 - [50] - Quote militia dropship vs 500k assault dropship well militia dropship still wins heheh and the person who bumb your dropship cost him 50k and you 500k that will really **** u off

Marcus Stormfire G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 21	Posted - 2014.04.30 19:55:00 - [51] - Quote So much drama on this thread it is glorious. I do a lot of AV and this is what I have to say out of experience with swarms. You can destroy an assault drop ship with ADV swarms if you fit right and have the proper skills. They are tough to take down but you have to engage on your terms otherwise you are wasting swarms. I love dropping proto fit assault ships that get right up on you then realizing a little too late that volleys of seeking death missiles are hitting them. I do lose some expensive suits going after them but that is just the way it is. Death by collision is a valid tactic, it has been used throughout human history and gaming history. You have to adapt to the situation around you. Do you really want CCP to start duct taping pillows to flying death machines so they can gracefully bump together like clouds? I do agree that there is something funky with collision detection that needs to be fixed. Some times i land on a building and I am fine. Other times I pop like a balloon. Whenever I fly a Python I already know I am not landing it. I am flying it until it dies or until the match is over. -Marcus -I don't always kill Mercs with a sidearm, But when I do I use militia.
Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 328	Posted - 2014.05.01 01:22:00 - [52] - Quote Keep the mechanic, if it works it works. Like the idiots on the scout threads say,"use ur eyes!"
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 300	Posted - 2014.05.01 15:32:00 - [53] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: I don't think it counts when it's your poor flight skills that are exploited. Exept I don't have eyes behind my dropship when im killing tanks... But you have them on the ground. Other teammates always can warn you. I don't understand why some people compare tanks ram with dropship rams - they are 2 completely separate things. In real world tanks can ram, but it doesn't mean they g out of it undamaged, they also not instantly explode because of it. At the other hand I did not seen a single planes collision that would not change to giant ball of fire.. I'm here since may 2012, my EVE alter ego is Nosum Hseebnrido.
Jimbo Boilstaff THE MASSIVE DYNAMIC 108	Posted - 2014.05.01 16:08:00 - [54] - Quote The problem with dropship v dropship collision damage is that, in all situations.... Gallente > Caldari Regardless of whether its a militia/standard/proto ship (not that tier should make a difference here) The end result is that Gallente ships have an extra tactic against Caldari, i.e the 1-tap insta-kill that leaves the Gallente ship pretty much in tact,,, and the Caldari one flaming to the ground.... If DS collisions should insta-kill because they're flying deathtraps... then fine,,, but it should be insta-kill for both ships involved,,, particularly as the 'attacking' ship typically has way more momentum than the victim ship Yes this'll still mean militia ships can knock out ADS's,, but so be it-- we can't be invincible flying machines... Either that, or a DS to DS collision measures the impact and determines damage, rather than auto-assigning insta-kill on the Caldari ship, and minimal damage to the Gallente one. Just the way it's setup there's a major benefit to having a Gallente ship, which isn't counter-balanced by the Caldari ships by any mechanism (anyone citing speed for this clearly doesn't understand dropship balance mechanics, since the Caldari speed already FAIRLY counters other benefits of the Gallente) Fine, you can say well... Just use Gallente ships then... But that would be missing the point of having a game with different classes... why bother having 2 classes if one is fatally flawed against the other? Let's make them all work fairly.... As with landing,,, a little squirt of the boosters before your ship touches down usually minimises shield loss,, though it's tough to land with 0 damage to shields at all.
Forlorn Destrier 2400	Posted - 2014.05.01 18:14:00 - [55] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: On an alt with 0 isk I got rammed by that broken ass mechanic Something needs to be done about the butthurt assholes, 530k down the ******* drain Nice ccp. Im sorry im just fed up with this game's unbalances glitches and exploits (pc free isk and most people are poor) Collisions are not exploits. I fly and get hit too - usually when I'm not paying attention to the airspace around me.
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 185	Posted - 2014.05.02 05:11:00 - [56] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Dropship ramming's a ** tactic, and 'then dodge them' is equally as flawed as anti-cloakers saying 'just look at them' AT LEAST 40% of the time, NOTHIN RENDERS. Judge has proven it- the 'shimmer' doesn't even render half the time. That remote the scout threw? Yeah the sound didn't render. That shotgunner who mowed your entire team down? Chances are it didn't even render the sound *** correctly. Who's to say the Dropshipper rendered? Also- with the way Ds sounds are, the growling noise isn't even localised around the DS, just added into your helmet for god knows why. Only that low, humming noise of the ACTUAL engines. So yeah. When CCP actually makes render correctly, then ramming can be valid. Until then, it's ridiculous, and it's comical at best. Yeah my python got rammed and blown up because of z-fighting particles. Said no one, ever. You think you have it bad now, try sniping in the past builds. ^^CCP IGNORES ALL SNIPER RELATED ISSUES^^**
Ceadda Sai Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 14	Posted - 2014.05.02 07:02:00 - [57] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: No. Leme guess you're the butthurt scrub who cant down a ship so you exploit. Actually I typed lol and no popped up. DS Pilots are the whiniest bitches right after scouts and tankers. I fucken love destroying them. Even blue ones. I shot a few of my own teams DS down in ambush this afternoon. Is this guy an exploit? A blue rammed my ds with his tank as I was waiting to pick my squad up at the start of a match. Looked pretty intentional. Forge Gunners: Now this is a gun for going out and and making people miserable with.
Dravok Silverblood Tight Crew 29	Posted - 2014.05.02 12:40:00 - [58] - Quote Ceadda Sai wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: No. Leme guess you're the butthurt scrub who cant down a ship so you exploit. Actually I typed lol and no popped up. DS Pilots are the whiniest bitches right after scouts and tankers. I fucken love destroying them. Even blue ones. I shot a few of my own teams DS down in ambush this afternoon. Is this guy an exploit? A blue rammed my ds with his tank as I was waiting to pick my squad up at the start of a match. Looked pretty intentional. # 19 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153034 Yes i think in pubs it should be fixed so this can't be done. factional, pc, leave it. In factional you can shoot your own team and pc your team shouldn't be that dumb. And I'm talking about blue on blue ramming. I am all for red on red ramming. however python takes 100% collidable damage and incubus only 55%. I just want conformation that thats not a bug. Amarr are the ramming ship race. can't wait for my amarr version of the apoc lol like 15% collidable damage i would imagian. Its not a Tank AV problem its a madrugar regen problem. 2. Its not a cloak shotgun problem its a assualt scout issue.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1044	Posted - 2014.05.07 19:35:00 - [59] - Quote Given a good enough physics simulation, the collisions are essential part of gameplay, and create some of the most memorable events in game. :-S
Derp Fap Squad Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.05.08 18:03:00 - [60] - Quote Must... invent... the jihad dropship....



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