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SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4565	Posted - 2014.04.29 00:48:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously, it isn't. It's perfect, right on the money. A triple damage modded rail tank can't even kill it, and if the drivers smart, it's even harder, terrain works in favor of speed and a smart player. And that shield rep? To die for. Incase you guys are wondering why the Saga II is op - The build in harden gives 60% resistance to all damage for shields. Throw on one complex shield extender, you've got yourself a new Logi-LAV. I hadn't planned on sharing this - but I wouldn't mind seeing more LAV's out there letting tanks know they're about as scary to us as Minmatar Heavy. For those who spec further into it - maybe you can actually use the low slot - I can't, but don't need it. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Denchlad 7 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 196	Posted - 2014.04.29 00:51:00 - [2] - Quote I thought you were gonna say its OP because its twice as good as the Saga. ... Never really looked at the Saga II since I never spec'd back into it. Loved the thing so could be fun. Was attempting to proto every weapon a bad idea? Yes. 12 so far If you can't accept change, you will fail in this world
Patrick57 7176	Posted - 2014.04.29 00:51:00 - [3] - Quote Well, you're in DNS, so of course you'd use the most OP thing in the game. Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3547	Posted - 2014.04.29 00:56:00 - [4] - Quote I'm skilling into LAVs as my next project. Level 3 Forum Warrior
Yoma Carrim Kinsho Swords Caldari State 461	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:02:00 - [5] - Quote hmmm go'na need to check this out If so I have a 20gj Railgun that needs a home. Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 371	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:07:00 - [6] - Quote I quite enjoy my Methana with a nitro and heavy armor repper. Minmatar & Gallente A.R.C. Program Instructor / Do you even lift?
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4566	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:08:00 - [7] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: I quite enjoy my Methana with a nitro and heavy armor repper. *Watches it get one shotted I'm sure that tank enjoyed your Methana too. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Foundation Seldon Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 632	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:10:00 - [8] - Quote It's really not as good as the Methana for a number of reasons. The Hardener doesn't mean anything if/when your shields are stripped off in the first shot vs. the Methana's ability to react to threats and put up their hardeners while a decent armor base remains. The Saga gives up its useful High slot modules for tank only to just become comparable to the Methana without anything fitted, the Methana can then equip Scanners / Nitrous and sacrifice nothing in the process. The Methana can quickly and easily heal both its shield and armor base (really a problem with high shield regen rates as a whole for all vehicles) where as equipping an armor repair on a Saga gimps the fit. Shield Boosters are still bugged and there are no useful utility based Low Slot modules that would make losing the high slots for Tank worthwhile. The main reasons in a nutshell. Saga v. Methana Balance
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4567	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:12:00 - [9] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: It's really not as good as the Methana for a number of reasons. Nope, tried em both. Methana is nice if you put those reps on, but it can't prevent itself from being obliterated by good AV. Saga II - however, doesn't care what you do, you can't kill it. If you want to murder taxi, or safely get from point A to B with minimal chances of a mess up, Saga II is the way to go n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Foundation Seldon Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 632	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:14:00 - [10] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Foundation Seldon wrote: It's really not as good as the Methana for a number of reasons. Nope, tried em both. Methana is nice if you put those reps on, but it can't prevent itself from being obliterated by good AV. Saga II - however, doesn't care what you do, you can't kill it. If you want to murder taxi, or safely get from point A to B with minimal chances of a mess up, Saga II is the way to go I edited and expanded my points. Saga v. Methana Balance

Ridire Greine 402	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:15:00 - [11] - Quote Woah, thank god I bought hundreds of these things. Murder Taxi 2.0 here I come. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire CEO. Farmer. Pubstomper. For those that can't figure it out. - Knight Soiaire
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 371	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:15:00 - [12] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: I quite enjoy my Methana with a nitro and heavy armor repper. *Watches it get one shotted I'm sure that tank enjoyed your Methana too. Never been one shotted. Ever. Minmatar & Gallente A.R.C. Program Instructor / Do you even lift?
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4567	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:17:00 - [13] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: I quite enjoy my Methana with a nitro and heavy armor repper. *Watches it get one shotted I'm sure that tank enjoyed your Methana too. Never been one shotted. Ever. I've tested it, you can be one shotted. Unless your willing to try and spec millions more SP into then I did and give a whirl with stacked plates, saga II barely requires any SP at all. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4568	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:20:00 - [14] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: It's really not as good as the Methana for a number of reasons. The Hardener doesn't mean anything if/when your shields are stripped off in the first shot vs. the Methana's ability to react to threats and put up their hardeners while a decent armor base remains. The Saga gives up its useful High slot modules for tank only to just become comparable to the Methana without anything fitted, the Methana can then equip Scanners / Nitrous and sacrifice nothing in the process. The Methana can quickly and easily heal both its shield and armor base (really a problem with high shield regen rates as a whole for all vehicles) where as equipping an armor repair on a Saga gimps the fit. Shield Boosters are still bugged and there are no useful utility based Low Slot modules that would make losing the high slots for Tank worthwhile. The main reasons in a nutshell. I see your point, but your still going to struggle in comparison to a good Saga II driver. Your reps aren't nearly as strong as the built in reps Saga II is blessed with, literally seconds to get back into the game. And the only thing that can strip the shields MOSTLY off the Saga II is a full damage modded rail gun proto, Normal rails don't even get past 5% dmg on shields, seriously. Blasters can't possibly kill the saga, it's literally not possible with the built in harden on. They'd over-heat, and they'd have to keep aim on us. Methana only really has speed going for it, it's survivability is more dependent on avoiding danger to begin with then just shrugging off hits and keep on going. But I must ask someone to throw on armor hardeners on a methane with a plate to test if it can be one shooted - I didn't have enough Sp to try and don't know anyone else who specced into it. My math says it would be, though. Shield gaining another damage resist bonus to rails. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2426	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:23:00 - [15] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Seriously, it isn't. It's perfect, right on the money. A triple damage modded rail tank can't even kill it, and if the drivers smart, it's even harder, terrain works in favor of speed and a smart player. And that shield rep? To die for. Incase you guys are wondering why the Saga II is op - The build in harden gives 60% resistance to all damage for shields. Throw on one complex shield extender, you've got yourself a new Logi-LAV. I hadn't planned on sharing this - but I wouldn't mind seeing more LAV's out there letting tanks know they're about as scary to us as Minmatar Heavy. For those who spec further into it - maybe you can actually use the low slot - I can't, but don't need it. i already specced into them and you are full of it ^^. as a triple damage rail tank I pop these things frequently before they even get their shield hardeners up. i'll give you that it usually takes two shots instead of 1 like other lav's but it's not that big of a deal.
Ridire Greine 402	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:24:00 - [16] - Quote It requires Level 3? Fuq that **** "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire CEO. Farmer. Pubstomper. For those that can't figure it out. - Knight Soiaire
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Lokun Listamenn 884	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:25:00 - [17] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Foundation Seldon wrote: It's really not as good as the Methana for a number of reasons. The Hardener doesn't mean anything if/when your shields are stripped off in the first shot vs. the Methana's ability to react to threats and put up their hardeners while a decent armor base remains. The Saga gives up its useful High slot modules for tank only to just become comparable to the Methana without anything fitted, the Methana can then equip Scanners / Nitrous and sacrifice nothing in the process. The Methana can quickly and easily heal both its shield and armor base (really a problem with high shield regen rates as a whole for all vehicles) where as equipping an armor repair on a Saga gimps the fit. Shield Boosters are still bugged and there are no useful utility based Low Slot modules that would make losing the high slots for Tank worthwhile. The main reasons in a nutshell. I see your point, but your still going to struggle in comparison to a good Saga II driver. Your reps aren't nearly as strong as the built in reps Saga II is blessed with, literally seconds to get back into the game. And the only thing that can strip the shields MOSTLY off the Saga II is a full damage modded rail gun proto, Normal rails don't even get past 5% dmg on shields, seriously. Blasters can't possibly kill the saga, it's literally not possible with the built in harden on. They'd over-heat, and they'd have to keep aim on us. Methana only really has speed going for it, it's survivability is more dependent on avoiding danger to begin with then just shrugging off hits and keep on going. But I must ask someone to throw on armor hardeners on a methane with a plate to test if it can be one shooted - I didn't have enough Sp to try and don't know anyone else who specced into it. My math says it would be, though. Shield gaining another damage resist bonus to rails. I have it plus armor fitting optimisation on 5 The Test will cost you 1M BPOs for Sale Dust Player Since: July 2012 Best Assault Dropship Pilot in the Game
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4568	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:26:00 - [18] - Quote calisk galern wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Seriously, it isn't. It's perfect, right on the money. A triple damage modded rail tank can't even kill it, and if the drivers smart, it's even harder, terrain works in favor of speed and a smart player. And that shield rep? To die for. Incase you guys are wondering why the Saga II is op - The build in harden gives 60% resistance to all damage for shields. Throw on one complex shield extender, you've got yourself a new Logi-LAV. I hadn't planned on sharing this - but I wouldn't mind seeing more LAV's out there letting tanks know they're about as scary to us as Minmatar Heavy. For those who spec further into it - maybe you can actually use the low slot - I can't, but don't need it. i already specced into them and you are full of it ^^. as a triple damage rail tank I pop these things frequently before they even get their shield hardeners up. i'll give you that it usually takes two shots instead of 1 like other lav's but it's not that big of a deal. if you got 3 dmg mods on a proto rail, you can one shot a saga 2 that's not modded up - but mods are what makes the difference so that argument is invalid. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4568	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:27:00 - [19] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Foundation Seldon wrote: It's really not as good as the Methana for a number of reasons. The Hardener doesn't mean anything if/when your shields are stripped off in the first shot vs. the Methana's ability to react to threats and put up their hardeners while a decent armor base remains. The Saga gives up its useful High slot modules for tank only to just become comparable to the Methana without anything fitted, the Methana can then equip Scanners / Nitrous and sacrifice nothing in the process. The Methana can quickly and easily heal both its shield and armor base (really a problem with high shield regen rates as a whole for all vehicles) where as equipping an armor repair on a Saga gimps the fit. Shield Boosters are still bugged and there are no useful utility based Low Slot modules that would make losing the high slots for Tank worthwhile. The main reasons in a nutshell. I see your point, but your still going to struggle in comparison to a good Saga II driver. Your reps aren't nearly as strong as the built in reps Saga II is blessed with, literally seconds to get back into the game. And the only thing that can strip the shields MOSTLY off the Saga II is a full damage modded rail gun proto, Normal rails don't even get past 5% dmg on shields, seriously. Blasters can't possibly kill the saga, it's literally not possible with the built in harden on. They'd over-heat, and they'd have to keep aim on us. Methana only really has speed going for it, it's survivability is more dependent on avoiding danger to begin with then just shrugging off hits and keep on going. But I must ask someone to throw on armor hardeners on a methane with a plate to test if it can be one shooted - I didn't have enough Sp to try and don't know anyone else who specced into it. My math says it would be, though. Shield gaining another damage resist bonus to rails. I have it plus armor fitting optimisation on 5 The Test will cost you 1M Record it and I'll throw you an extra 4mil n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1371	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:29:00 - [20] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Seriously, it isn't. It's perfect, right on the money. A triple damage modded rail tank can't even kill it, and if the drivers smart, it's even harder, terrain works in favor of speed and a smart player. And that shield rep? To die for. Incase you guys are wondering why the Saga II is op - The build in harden gives 60% resistance to all damage for shields. Throw on one complex shield extender, you've got yourself a new Logi-LAV. I hadn't planned on sharing this - but I wouldn't mind seeing more LAV's out there letting tanks know they're about as scary to us as Minmatar Heavy. For those who spec further into it - maybe you can actually use the low slot - I can't, but don't need it. It also seems to have the old physics, I haven't rolled one yet. That hardener is equal to an ADV with 0 fitting. Crush them

Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 5162	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:29:00 - [21] - Quote Personally I like the methana better than the Saga. Especially if you've got someone gunning. The terrain and random damage you get plus the shield mechanic is pretty annoying. You'll narrowly escape death but then you'll clip a hill, start barrel rolling and explode because of shield deplete delay where a methana with a heavy repper or a plate and repper will just rep through the damage and go about it's business. Saga might be a fun ride on the weekends but the methana is the better daily driver. :3 Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4570	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:31:00 - [22] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Personally I like the methana better than the Saga. Especially if you've got someone gunning. The terrain and random damage you get plus the shield mechanic is pretty annoying. You'll narrowly escape death but then you'll clip a hill, start barrel rolling and explode because of shield deplete delay where a methana with a heavy repper or a plate and repper will just rep through the damage and go about it's business. It's preference in the end. It's just after testing, I found the Saga II to be the superior murder taxi. You can pop the mod on when you hop out to boundless someone, people tend to go for the murder taxi so they can prevent you from escaping... That's when they realize that was a mistake. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
ugg reset Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 575	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:37:00 - [23] - Quote well, time to spec back into LAVs Thr33 is the magic number.
Foundation Seldon Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 633	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:38:00 - [24] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: I see your point, but your still going to struggle in comparison to a good Saga II driver. Your reps aren't nearly as strong as the built in reps Saga II is blessed with, literally seconds to get back into the game. The benefit is that the reps are always on compared to the Saga II which can be interrupted / stopped if enough damage is done. SoTa PoP wrote: And the only thing that can strip the shields MOSTLY off the Saga II is a full damage modded rail gun proto, Normal rails don't even get past 5% dmg on shields, seriously. Blasters can't possibly kill the saga, it's literally not possible with the built in harden on. They'd over-heat, and they'd have to keep aim on us. Huh? It definitely doesn't take anywhere near that much to strip the shields of a Saga. A single Militia Large Railgun with a single damage mod would with next to no effort. Your Blaster and Rail comparison are only relevant in situations where you've pre-emptively turned on your Hardener which is a luxury you don't often have especially since you can't fit a scanner with both of your high slots being dedicated to Tank, the chance that you'll be surprised as a result is much higher.A Large Blaster can break Shield Regen in situations where they attack before your hardener is up as well. SoTa PoP wrote: Methana only really has speed going for it, it's survivability is more dependent on avoiding danger to begin with then just shrugging off hits and keep on going. It's ... pretty much the exact opposite. SoTa PoP wrote: But I must ask someone to throw on armor hardeners on a methane with a plate to test if it can be one shooted - I didn't have enough Sp to try and don't know anyone else who specced into it. My math says it would be, though. Shield gaining another damage resist bonus to rails. Can you share your math? The only time a Methana should be 1 hit is if its running over a proxy mine nest / is hit with 3 Remote Explosives and maybe if its hit with a Particle Cannon with 2+ damage mods. Beyond that the Rail Turrets in this game do more damage to Shields than Armor. It's reversed compared to every other Rail weapon in EVE/Dust and an issue thats been brought up often. Seriously, check the efficiency ratings when you're aiming at a target with shields vs. armor. Literally the only thing Saga's have over Methana's is better acceleration and this will continue to be the case until we get LAV Specializations with skill bonuses to incentive the use of one or another, better low slot modules, or a higher shield base on the Saga. Saga v. Methana Balance
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1319	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:44:00 - [25] - Quote The saga 2 is **** Its just saga with a built in hardener I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4571	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:47:00 - [26] - Quote We can take this in game if you like to be shown first hand. Seems you need real proof. The shield variant offers more to survivability then armor. Armor WILL be one shotted by a dedicated tanker. Shield - it's not going to happen by any mechanic in this game. Well, besides a tank running you over. And x3 damage mods wouldn't one shot us, yet x2 apparently takes you down. Also, the shield rep does not stop when damage is taken - it continues through. You rep through all damage. That's the truth strength of the Saga-II right now. And when CCP fixes that, you'll be right about what you're saying, but until then, SAGA II FTW! :3 n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Foundation Seldon Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 633	Posted - 2014.04.29 01:56:00 - [27] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Also, the shield rep does not stop when damage is taken - it continues through. You rep through all damage. That's the truth strength of the Saga-II right now. And when CCP fixes that, you'll be right about what you're saying, but until then, SAGA II FTW! :3 You're saying the Saga II can't have its shield regen interrupted? It's working on the old Regen model? Saga v. Methana Balance
Glantix Karmic-Snow Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:07:00 - [28] - Quote Join the LAV Research chat channel. It is full(ish) of guys dedicated to LAV driving. I myself am an Ex-member of LAV Research. During 1.7 I ran the Saga II and dedicated my time to making it comparable to the Methana, which is kind of the LAV everyone in LAV Research used. Double Hardener was fun, but the fit you mentioned was my go to fit. The thing just dominates with a Particle Accelerator. It is nice seeing more people use these things, and I must admit every now and then I miss my old Char with my LAV stuff, and it is definitely something I will skill back into on of these days. Sincerely, Glantix / Snow
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1319	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:11:00 - [29] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Also, the shield rep does not stop when damage is taken - it continues through. You rep through all damage. That's the truth strength of the Saga-II right now. And when CCP fixes that, you'll be right about what you're saying, but until then, SAGA II FTW! :3 You're saying the Saga II can't have its shield regen interrupted? It's working on the old Regen model? I wish I had 300k sp now... I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
Tectonic Fusion 1638	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:12:00 - [30] - Quote Ridire Greine wrote: It requires Level 3? Fuq that ** It use to require level 2, and logi LAVs were level 3. Squad status: Locked** Ehem...OBVIOUSER troll is OBVIOUSER Solo

Glantix Karmic-Snow Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:16:00 - [31] - Quote I started writing my previous reply when this topic was first up but didn't actually get around to finishing it until an hour later, and it appears in the time I was gone a Saga II vs Methana argument occurred. To input my .02 isk, the Methana is far better. I was a dedicated Saga II rider, and probably used it more than a lot of people in LAV Research, and it just can't compare to the survivability of the Methana. I was frequently losing isk most games to to rail tanks getting a shot off with before I could activate my Hardener. At that point it is a matter of luck to see if I can dodge the second hit. If I couldn't, then well, that's it. So in the end, the Methana is better in every aspect, minus its ability to Road-Kill. Sincerely, Glantix / Snow
Foundation Seldon Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 634	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:23:00 - [32] - Quote Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote: blah blah But could you interrupt the Shield Regen or was it always active? Saga v. Methana Balance
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 642	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:29:00 - [33] - Quote wait wait wait, youre saying the saga II still roles with pre 1.7 mechanics? and i didnt notice? well, fuuck driving tanks, back to murder taxi'ing Variety is already dead; you either proto to fight/stomp or BPO to grind isk. If not, you're lying.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4578	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:56:00 - [34] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Also, the shield rep does not stop when damage is taken - it continues through. You rep through all damage. That's the truth strength of the Saga-II right now. And when CCP fixes that, you'll be right about what you're saying, but until then, SAGA II FTW! :3 You're saying the Saga II can't have its shield regen interrupted? It's working on the old Regen model? Yes, I am. It's the single reason the Saga II is the way it is. I implore all the LAV guys to try it out. And I run a corp guys, I have too many channels, otherwise I would love too - I am a dedicated LAVer, just not much SP into it. Doesn't require it. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4579	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:04:00 - [35] - Quote Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote: I started writing my previous reply when this topic was first up but didn't actually get around to finishing it until an hour later, and it appears in the time I was gone a Saga II vs Methana argument occurred. To input my .02 isk, the Methana is far better. I was a dedicated Saga II rider, and probably used it more than a lot of people in LAV Research, and it just can't compare to the survivability of the Methana. I was frequently losing isk most games to to rail tanks getting a shot off with before I could activate my Hardener. At that point it is a matter of luck to see if I can dodge the second hit. If I couldn't, then well, that's it. So in the end, the Methana is better in every aspect, minus its ability to Road-Kill. Sincerely, Glantix / Snow Can you prevent your Methana from being 1 hit by a proto rail x3 dmg modded tank? I believe you guys can reach, what, 3.5k armor? 900 shields? It will do much then 4k damage to you, 900 x 25% resistance to rail = your LAV is dead. Saga II - 60% + 25% resistant to rails. O.O and blasters can't damage through shield rep without damage mods, and they need to keep DPS on you for a good 5 seconds to get into danger, and there weapon will likely over-heat. Proto Blaster, maybe, depends how far he glass cannoned for DPS - blasters tend to focus on survivability. If I'm wrong, please point it out. Now I'm interested in this "LAV" community I had no idea existed. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1320	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:07:00 - [36] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote: I started writing my previous reply when this topic was first up but didn't actually get around to finishing it until an hour later, and it appears in the time I was gone a Saga II vs Methana argument occurred. To input my .02 isk, the Methana is far better. I was a dedicated Saga II rider, and probably used it more than a lot of people in LAV Research, and it just can't compare to the survivability of the Methana. I was frequently losing isk most games to to rail tanks getting a shot off with before I could activate my Hardener. At that point it is a matter of luck to see if I can dodge the second hit. If I couldn't, then well, that's it. So in the end, the Methana is better in every aspect, minus its ability to Road-Kill. Sincerely, Glantix / Snow Can you prevent your Methana from being 1 hit by a proto rail x3 dmg modded tank? I believe you guys can reach, what, 3.5k armor? 900 shields? It will do much then 4k damage to you, 900 x 25% resistance to rail = your LAV is dead. Saga II - 60% + 25% resistant to rails. O.O and blasters can't damage through shield rep without damage mods, and they need to keep DPS on you for a good 5 seconds to get into danger, and there weapon will likely over-heat. Proto Blaster, maybe, depends how far he glass cannoned for DPS - blasters tend to focus on survivability. If I'm wrong, please point it out. Now I'm interested in this "LAV" community I had no idea existed. Saga 2 60+ -20% to rails I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
DozersMouse XIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 545	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:07:00 - [37] - Quote I bought 500 of the saga II when CCP threw them on the market for 15k isk back then rainbows shot out of its ass then you hit the built in module Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4579	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:08:00 - [38] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote: I started writing my previous reply when this topic was first up but didn't actually get around to finishing it until an hour later, and it appears in the time I was gone a Saga II vs Methana argument occurred. To input my .02 isk, the Methana is far better. I was a dedicated Saga II rider, and probably used it more than a lot of people in LAV Research, and it just can't compare to the survivability of the Methana. I was frequently losing isk most games to to rail tanks getting a shot off with before I could activate my Hardener. At that point it is a matter of luck to see if I can dodge the second hit. If I couldn't, then well, that's it. So in the end, the Methana is better in every aspect, minus its ability to Road-Kill. Sincerely, Glantix / Snow Can you prevent your Methana from being 1 hit by a proto rail x3 dmg modded tank? I believe you guys can reach, what, 3.5k armor? 900 shields? It will do much then 4k damage to you, 900 x 25% resistance to rail = your LAV is dead. Saga II - 60% + 25% resistant to rails. O.O and blasters can't damage through shield rep without damage mods, and they need to keep DPS on you for a good 5 seconds to get into danger, and there weapon will likely over-heat. Proto Blaster, maybe, depends how far he glass cannoned for DPS - blasters tend to focus on survivability. If I'm wrong, please point it out. Now I'm interested in this "LAV" community I had no idea existed. Saga 2 60+ -20% to rails Doesn't that still mean 80% resistance to shields? I promise you guys, Saga II cannot be one shotted by the strongest weapon in this game, and it's easy to get out of danger for instant reps. It's the murder taxi heaven-mobile. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Glantix Karmic-Snow Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:27:00 - [39] - Quote @ Foundation My shields could be easily disrupted, another downside to the Saga II. @ Sota Pop Dude, the Methana has more health than the Saga II, and I know from experience that the Hardener means next to nothing on the Saga II because your shields are gone in the first hit from a militia rail, so the Methana actually has a better chance of surviving than the Saga II. And before you say that Shields resist rails, Foundation made a point earlier in the thread saying that the Rail damage bonus is reverse what it should be, and it does more damage to shields. I have been one shot in my Saga II before from a Breach Forge Gun, not to mention a Triple Damage Modded Rail shot. Sincerely, Glantix / Snow
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 644	Posted - 2014.04.29 04:11:00 - [40] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote: I started writing my previous reply when this topic was first up but didn't actually get around to finishing it until an hour later, and it appears in the time I was gone a Saga II vs Methana argument occurred. To input my .02 isk, the Methana is far better. I was a dedicated Saga II rider, and probably used it more than a lot of people in LAV Research, and it just can't compare to the survivability of the Methana. I was frequently losing isk most games to to rail tanks getting a shot off with before I could activate my Hardener. At that point it is a matter of luck to see if I can dodge the second hit. If I couldn't, then well, that's it. So in the end, the Methana is better in every aspect, minus its ability to Road-Kill. Sincerely, Glantix / Snow Can you prevent your Methana from being 1 hit by a proto rail x3 dmg modded tank? I believe you guys can reach, what, 3.5k armor? 900 shields? It will do much then 4k damage to you, 900 x 25% resistance to rail = your LAV is dead. Saga II - 60% + 25% resistant to rails. O.O and blasters can't damage through shield rep without damage mods, and they need to keep DPS on you for a good 5 seconds to get into danger, and there weapon will likely over-heat. Proto Blaster, maybe, depends how far he glass cannoned for DPS - blasters tend to focus on survivability. If I'm wrong, please point it out. Now I'm interested in this "LAV" community I had no idea existed. Saga 2 60+ -20% to rails Doesn't that still mean 80% resistance to shields? I promise you guys, Saga II cannot be one shotted by the strongest weapon in this game, and it's easy to get out of danger for instant reps. It's the murder taxi heaven-mobile. just blew a wad of SP to get this beauty. the thing literally poops rainbows as you zoom around driving over people, popping outta it to shoot tanks and laugh as they die trying to kill it. it makes the mona lisa look like finger paint it such a work of art Variety is already dead; you either proto to fight/stomp or BPO to grind isk. If not, you're lying.

jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1321	Posted - 2014.04.29 04:12:00 - [41] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote: I started writing my previous reply when this topic was first up but didn't actually get around to finishing it until an hour later, and it appears in the time I was gone a Saga II vs Methana argument occurred. To input my .02 isk, the Methana is far better. I was a dedicated Saga II rider, and probably used it more than a lot of people in LAV Research, and it just can't compare to the survivability of the Methana. I was frequently losing isk most games to to rail tanks getting a shot off with before I could activate my Hardener. At that point it is a matter of luck to see if I can dodge the second hit. If I couldn't, then well, that's it. So in the end, the Methana is better in every aspect, minus its ability to Road-Kill. Sincerely, Glantix / Snow Can you prevent your Methana from being 1 hit by a proto rail x3 dmg modded tank? I believe you guys can reach, what, 3.5k armor? 900 shields? It will do much then 4k damage to you, 900 x 25% resistance to rail = your LAV is dead. Saga II - 60% + 25% resistant to rails. O.O and blasters can't damage through shield rep without damage mods, and they need to keep DPS on you for a good 5 seconds to get into danger, and there weapon will likely over-heat. Proto Blaster, maybe, depends how far he glass cannoned for DPS - blasters tend to focus on survivability. If I'm wrong, please point it out. Now I'm interested in this "LAV" community I had no idea existed. Saga 2 60+ -20% to rails Doesn't that still mean 80% resistance to shields? I promise you guys, Saga II cannot be one shotted by the strongest weapon in this game, and it's easy to get out of danger for instant reps. It's the murder taxi heaven-mobile. No Large and small rails do bonus dmg to shields Glitches ftw I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4579	Posted - 2014.04.29 04:48:00 - [42] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote: I started writing my previous reply when this topic was first up but didn't actually get around to finishing it until an hour later, and it appears in the time I was gone a Saga II vs Methana argument occurred. To input my .02 isk, the Methana is far better. I was a dedicated Saga II rider, and probably used it more than a lot of people in LAV Research, and it just can't compare to the survivability of the Methana. I was frequently losing isk most games to to rail tanks getting a shot off with before I could activate my Hardener. At that point it is a matter of luck to see if I can dodge the second hit. If I couldn't, then well, that's it. So in the end, the Methana is better in every aspect, minus its ability to Road-Kill. Sincerely, Glantix / Snow Can you prevent your Methana from being 1 hit by a proto rail x3 dmg modded tank? I believe you guys can reach, what, 3.5k armor? 900 shields? It will do much then 4k damage to you, 900 x 25% resistance to rail = your LAV is dead. Saga II - 60% + 25% resistant to rails. O.O and blasters can't damage through shield rep without damage mods, and they need to keep DPS on you for a good 5 seconds to get into danger, and there weapon will likely over-heat. Proto Blaster, maybe, depends how far he glass cannoned for DPS - blasters tend to focus on survivability. If I'm wrong, please point it out. Now I'm interested in this "LAV" community I had no idea existed. Saga 2 60+ -20% to rails Doesn't that still mean 80% resistance to shields? I promise you guys, Saga II cannot be one shotted by the strongest weapon in this game, and it's easy to get out of danger for instant reps. It's the murder taxi heaven-mobile. No Large and small rails do bonus dmg to shields Glitches ftw wow, so when they fix this I'm going to be even more OP? Awesome. :3 n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4579	Posted - 2014.04.29 04:57:00 - [43] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote: I started writing my previous reply when this topic was first up but didn't actually get around to finishing it until an hour later, and it appears in the time I was gone a Saga II vs Methana argument occurred. To input my .02 isk, the Methana is far better. I was a dedicated Saga II rider, and probably used it more than a lot of people in LAV Research, and it just can't compare to the survivability of the Methana. I was frequently losing isk most games to to rail tanks getting a shot off with before I could activate my Hardener. At that point it is a matter of luck to see if I can dodge the second hit. If I couldn't, then well, that's it. So in the end, the Methana is better in every aspect, minus its ability to Road-Kill. Sincerely, Glantix / Snow Can you prevent your Methana from being 1 hit by a proto rail x3 dmg modded tank? I believe you guys can reach, what, 3.5k armor? 900 shields? It will do much then 4k damage to you, 900 x 25% resistance to rail = your LAV is dead. Saga II - 60% + 25% resistant to rails. O.O and blasters can't damage through shield rep without damage mods, and they need to keep DPS on you for a good 5 seconds to get into danger, and there weapon will likely over-heat. Proto Blaster, maybe, depends how far he glass cannoned for DPS - blasters tend to focus on survivability. If I'm wrong, please point it out. Now I'm interested in this "LAV" community I had no idea existed. Saga 2 60+ -20% to rails Doesn't that still mean 80% resistance to shields? I promise you guys, Saga II cannot be one shotted by the strongest weapon in this game, and it's easy to get out of danger for instant reps. It's the murder taxi heaven-mobile. just blew a wad of SP to get this beauty. the thing literally poops rainbows as you zoom around driving over people, popping outta it to shoot tanks and laugh as they die trying to kill it. it makes the mona lisa look like finger paint it such a work of art A lot of tanks see a murder taxi with a forger pop out and aim for LAV first. Do that with us, you'll die with no WP again. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 503	Posted - 2014.04.29 04:57:00 - [44] - Quote Ridire Greine wrote: Woah, thank god I bought hundreds of these things. Murder Taxi 2.0 here I come. It's a good thin I speced into proto proxies... -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4579	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:09:00 - [45] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Ridire Greine wrote: Woah, thank god I bought hundreds of these things. Murder Taxi 2.0 here I come. It's a good thin I speced into proto proxies... Soon RE's and tank spam will be our only counter. Prepare for the murder taxi QQ threads. I have opened the flood gate. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Ld Collins Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 132	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:34:00 - [46] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Seriously, it isn't. It's perfect, right on the money. A triple damage modded rail tank can't even kill it, and if the drivers smart, it's even harder, terrain works in favor of speed and a smart player. And that shield rep? To die for. Incase you guys are wondering why the Saga II is op - The build in harden gives 60% resistance to all damage for shields. Throw on one complex shield extender, you've got yourself a new Logi-LAV. I hadn't planned on sharing this - but I wouldn't mind seeing more LAV's out there letting tanks know they're about as scary to us as Minmatar Heavy. For those who spec further into it - maybe you can actually use the low slot - I can't, but don't need it. The Saga II isn't OP the Methana can be just as hardy I run a scanner and a heavy armor rep with a proto blaster its nearly impossible to blow my lav up. I wish people would stop crying op every time something doesn't go their way.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4580	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:36:00 - [47] - Quote Your Methana has more health - how's that working for you guys? When you see a DNS corp tanker on the other side, you know they're going to be hunting down for every WP To grind, which mean LAV'ers are not safe from there rails. And that's when I started looking for a solution. And one night, I decided to get the Saga II thinking built in means I'd still have 2 high slots - I was wrong. I raged. Called the SAGA II dirt, and never used it for 2 weeks. Then, I did. That's when the hate mail started ROLLING in. I beat my old record of 4 hate mails couple weeks ago, 5 in one game, all call me a cheating hacker, that no LAV could POSSIBLE survive all that. But it does, and it's amazing, and you're telling me it should be even STRONGER because of broken mechanics?? Looks like LAV murder Taxi's are here to stay n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4580	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:37:00 - [48] - Quote Ld Collins wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Seriously, it isn't. It's perfect, right on the money. A triple damage modded rail tank can't even kill it, and if the drivers smart, it's even harder, terrain works in favor of speed and a smart player. And that shield rep? To die for. Incase you guys are wondering why the Saga II is op - The build in harden gives 60% resistance to all damage for shields. Throw on one complex shield extender, you've got yourself a new Logi-LAV. I hadn't planned on sharing this - but I wouldn't mind seeing more LAV's out there letting tanks know they're about as scary to us as Minmatar Heavy. For those who spec further into it - maybe you can actually use the low slot - I can't, but don't need it. The Saga II isn't OP the Methana can be just as hardy I run a scanner and a heavy armor rep with a proto blaster its nearly impossible to blow my lav up. I wish people would stop crying op every time something doesn't go their way. You can be one shotted no matter how you set it up, sadly. At least at the same SP cost the Saga II costs, it requires much more SP to get Methana where the Saga II is almost naturally. Just need proto shield extender. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Ld Collins Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 133	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:41:00 - [49] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Your Methana has more health - how's that working for you guys? When you see a DNS corp tanker on the other side, you know they're going to be hunting down for every WP To grind, which mean LAV'ers are not safe from there rails. And that's when I started looking for a solution. And one night, I decided to get the Saga II thinking built in means I'd still have 2 high slots - I was wrong. I raged. Called the SAGA II dirt, and never used it for 2 weeks. Then, I did. That's when the hate mail started ROLLING in. I beat my old record of 4 hate mails couple weeks ago, 5 in one game, all call me a cheating hacker, that no LAV could POSSIBLE survive all that. But it does, and it's amazing, and you're telling me it should be even STRONGER because of broken mechanics?? Looks like LAV murder Taxi's are here to stay The methana is working pretty nicely i get hit with railguns i escape i get hit with forge guns i just stand there and kill the forger unless i get ran over by a tank or shot off the turret thats the only way I die. running scans lets me see proxy mines so that's not even an issue. I have maxed rotation so poor scouts trying to ambush me with shotguns go down before they can get in range. Why do scouts cloak when they are spotted and bunny hop as if they can't be seen.
Ld Collins Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 133	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:44:00 - [50] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Ld Collins wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Seriously, it isn't. It's perfect, right on the money. A triple damage modded rail tank can't even kill it, and if the drivers smart, it's even harder, terrain works in favor of speed and a smart player. And that shield rep? To die for. Incase you guys are wondering why the Saga II is op - The build in harden gives 60% resistance to all damage for shields. Throw on one complex shield extender, you've got yourself a new Logi-LAV. I hadn't planned on sharing this - but I wouldn't mind seeing more LAV's out there letting tanks know they're about as scary to us as Minmatar Heavy. For those who spec further into it - maybe you can actually use the low slot - I can't, but don't need it. The Saga II isn't OP the Methana can be just as hardy I run a scanner and a heavy armor rep with a proto blaster its nearly impossible to blow my lav up. I wish people would stop crying op every time something doesn't go their way. You can be one shotted no matter how you set it up, sadly. At least at the same SP cost the Saga II costs, it requires much more SP to get Methana where the Saga II is almost naturally. Just need proto shield extender. I guess if I decided i was just gonna stand still and get shot but 9 times out of 10 it doesn't happen. If i see a rail tank i just drive around it in circles then escape :-).

Repe Susi Rautaleijona 1249	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:45:00 - [51] - Quote No point arguing wit Sota. He's made up his mind and won't budge from it no matter what anybody says. And besides he's the cool kid so everybody just better believe him. Anyway, I think it's time to fire up my Methana once again! Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4580	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:45:00 - [52] - Quote Ld Collins wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Your Methana has more health - how's that working for you guys? When you see a DNS corp tanker on the other side, you know they're going to be hunting down for every WP To grind, which mean LAV'ers are not safe from there rails. And that's when I started looking for a solution. And one night, I decided to get the Saga II thinking built in means I'd still have 2 high slots - I was wrong. I raged. Called the SAGA II dirt, and never used it for 2 weeks. Then, I did. That's when the hate mail started ROLLING in. I beat my old record of 4 hate mails couple weeks ago, 5 in one game, all call me a cheating hacker, that no LAV could POSSIBLE survive all that. But it does, and it's amazing, and you're telling me it should be even STRONGER because of broken mechanics?? Looks like LAV murder Taxi's are here to stay The methana is working pretty nicely i get hit with railguns i escape i get hit with forge guns i just stand there and kill the forger unless i get ran over by a tank or shot off the turret thats the only way I die. running scans lets me see proxy mines so that's not even an issue. I have maxed rotation so poor scouts trying to ambush me with shotguns go down before they can get in range. Why do scouts cloak when they are spotted and bunny hop as if they can't be seen. lol ikr? I love it when people circle around my LAV trying to use it as cover too, all you do is jump and and drive backwards, jump out, finish the job. My last match last night I popped my harder and mowed down 3 guys while a rail tank over-heated trying to kill my LAV that was standing still as I slaughter berries. Are, people trying to say Methana is comparable to such a beast vehicle???? n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4580	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:47:00 - [53] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: No point arguing wit Sota. He's made up his mind and won't budge from it. Anyway, I think it's time to fire up my Methana once again! Hf being one shotted. I've asked for even audible evidence to say a Methana can survive a triple stack damage rail shot, or can handle the abuse mine can. No one has said that it can, so I will continue to assume Saga II is superior. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Ld Collins Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 134	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:51:00 - [54] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Ld Collins wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Your Methana has more health - how's that working for you guys? When you see a DNS corp tanker on the other side, you know they're going to be hunting down for every WP To grind, which mean LAV'ers are not safe from there rails. And that's when I started looking for a solution. And one night, I decided to get the Saga II thinking built in means I'd still have 2 high slots - I was wrong. I raged. Called the SAGA II dirt, and never used it for 2 weeks. Then, I did. That's when the hate mail started ROLLING in. I beat my old record of 4 hate mails couple weeks ago, 5 in one game, all call me a cheating hacker, that no LAV could POSSIBLE survive all that. But it does, and it's amazing, and you're telling me it should be even STRONGER because of broken mechanics?? Looks like LAV murder Taxi's are here to stay The methana is working pretty nicely i get hit with railguns i escape i get hit with forge guns i just stand there and kill the forger unless i get ran over by a tank or shot off the turret thats the only way I die. running scans lets me see proxy mines so that's not even an issue. I have maxed rotation so poor scouts trying to ambush me with shotguns go down before they can get in range. Why do scouts cloak when they are spotted and bunny hop as if they can't be seen. lol ikr? I love it when people circle around my LAV trying to use it as cover too, all you do is jump and and drive backwards, jump out, finish the job. My last match last night I popped my harder and moved down 3 guys while a rail tank over-heated trying to kill my LAV that was standing still as I slaughter berries. Are, people trying to say Methana is comparable to such a beast vehicle???? I'd say so I have both I use both and the scanner on my methana gives me my invincibility and the hardner on my saga increases my survival with its stealth hardener. I wouldn't even bother with a shield extender I'll add a damage mod 1 shot infantry and blow up tanks with it. Yes I said blow up tanks with it. Oh and also dropships.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4581	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:53:00 - [55] - Quote Ld Collins wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Ld Collins wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Your Methana has more health - how's that working for you guys? When you see a DNS corp tanker on the other side, you know they're going to be hunting down for every WP To grind, which mean LAV'ers are not safe from there rails. And that's when I started looking for a solution. And one night, I decided to get the Saga II thinking built in means I'd still have 2 high slots - I was wrong. I raged. Called the SAGA II dirt, and never used it for 2 weeks. Then, I did. That's when the hate mail started ROLLING in. I beat my old record of 4 hate mails couple weeks ago, 5 in one game, all call me a cheating hacker, that no LAV could POSSIBLE survive all that. But it does, and it's amazing, and you're telling me it should be even STRONGER because of broken mechanics?? Looks like LAV murder Taxi's are here to stay The methana is working pretty nicely i get hit with railguns i escape i get hit with forge guns i just stand there and kill the forger unless i get ran over by a tank or shot off the turret thats the only way I die. running scans lets me see proxy mines so that's not even an issue. I have maxed rotation so poor scouts trying to ambush me with shotguns go down before they can get in range. Why do scouts cloak when they are spotted and bunny hop as if they can't be seen. lol ikr? I love it when people circle around my LAV trying to use it as cover too, all you do is jump and and drive backwards, jump out, finish the job. My last match last night I popped my harder and moved down 3 guys while a rail tank over-heated trying to kill my LAV that was standing still as I slaughter berries. Are, people trying to say Methana is comparable to such a beast vehicle???? Id say so i have both i use both and the scanner on my methana gives me my invincibility and the hardner on my saga increases my survival with its stealth hardener. I wouldn't even bother with a shield extender I'll add a damage mod 1 shot infantry and blow up tanks with it. I'm getting proto small rails next - I'm really excited to see what potential I can pump out of this car. Small rails sorta rock house. Especially against heavies. But, really, just want something to troll dropships with that keep trying to hunt me down lol n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Big Burns Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 142	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:55:00 - [56] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Seriously, it isn't. It's perfect, right on the money. A triple damage modded rail tank can't even kill it, and if the drivers smart, it's even harder, terrain works in favor of speed and a smart player. And that shield rep? To die for. Incase you guys are wondering why the Saga II is op - The build in harden gives 60% resistance to all damage for shields. Throw on one complex shield extender, you've got yourself a new Logi-LAV. I hadn't planned on sharing this - but I wouldn't mind seeing more LAV's out there letting tanks know they're about as scary to us as Minmatar Heavy. For those who spec further into it - maybe you can actually use the low slot - I can't, but don't need it. While I share your enthusiasm, you can 1 shot it with a proto rail with 1 dmg mod. But, nevertheless. Yes Sota, I agree. Possibly the best around.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4581	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:58:00 - [57] - Quote Big Burns wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Seriously, it isn't. It's perfect, right on the money. A triple damage modded rail tank can't even kill it, and if the drivers smart, it's even harder, terrain works in favor of speed and a smart player. And that shield rep? To die for. Incase you guys are wondering why the Saga II is op - The build in harden gives 60% resistance to all damage for shields. Throw on one complex shield extender, you've got yourself a new Logi-LAV. I hadn't planned on sharing this - but I wouldn't mind seeing more LAV's out there letting tanks know they're about as scary to us as Minmatar Heavy. For those who spec further into it - maybe you can actually use the low slot - I can't, but don't need it. While I share your enthusiasm, you can 1 shot it with a proto rail with 1 dmg mod. But, nevertheless. Yes Sota, I agree. Nope, burns, care to bet? 50mil you can't one shot. We'll test it the next red-line PC we get. Or you could ask the other tankers- they've all tried already. :D n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Ld Collins Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 134	Posted - 2014.04.29 05:58:00 - [58] - Quote I'll give you fair warning if the server is laggy your gonna have a bad time because the shots wont register. You also need your rotation speed leveled up and reload skills. If you are really a dare devil put two damage mods on a saga with a rail. You need a crazy driver though.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4583	Posted - 2014.04.29 06:03:00 - [59] - Quote Ld Collins wrote: I'll give you fair warning if the server is laggy your gonna have a bad time because the shots wont register. You also need your rotation speed leveled up and reload skills. If you are really a dare devil put two damage mods on a saga with a rail. You need a crazy driver though. Other than a heavy jumping out of it with a forge gun I don't see any real concern you could always just run that ***** over. yea I hear, people always on my turret anyways, may as well give em a toy to play with. And I'm the craziest driver in the game - running circles around tanks for lolz. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Starfire Revo DUST University Ivy League 213	Posted - 2014.04.29 09:00:00 - [60] - Quote SoTa, would you care to join me for a drive around the country sometime? I make videos of EVE and Dust http://www.youtube.com/mrgimbleb I write about EVE and Dust http://mrgimbleb.blogspot.com

Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1345	Posted - 2014.04.29 09:04:00 - [61] - Quote Starfire Revo wrote: SoTa, would you care to join me for a drive around the country sometime? You should ask Raghara to gun for you some time, the guys beastly on the rail. Thumb Green: "Sorry we can't all magically kill vehicles like you o' great one." I am pretty great Delt for CPM1
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4599	Posted - 2014.04.29 09:08:00 - [62] - Quote Starfire Revo wrote: SoTa, would you care to join me for a drive around the country sometime? It would be my honor. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Slash Phage Hell 0n Wheels 19	Posted - 2014.04.29 09:27:00 - [63] - Quote Quote: And I'm the craziest driver in the game - running circles around tanks for lolz. Nope, I am. Get your asses into "LAV research" for squad. Or in "Looking for Driver" if you are in need for proper transportation. On the Methana vs. Saga II debate. Methana. Period. Why? Because of scanning abilities, simple as that. And to be honest I often get two hits of tank rails and still escape. Proto AV can be nasty though.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4600	Posted - 2014.04.29 09:56:00 - [64] - Quote Slash Phage wrote: Quote: And I'm the craziest driver in the game - running circles around tanks for lolz. Nope, I am. Get your asses into "LAV research" for squad. Or in "Looking for Driver" if you are in need for proper transportation. On the Methana vs. Saga II debate. Methana. Period. Why? Because of scanning abilities, simple as that. And to be honest I often get two hits of tank rails and still escape. Proto AV can be nasty though. Lol, how about let your instincts be your scans and you get yourself a car that won't die when a proto tank looks at it funny. And I've got max channels already, but you guys can feel free to join Anime Empire if you want turret pilots - my boys love a good time. I spam my Saga II for my entire squad to get one each, and we go troll the hell out of tanks who can't kill us, lol. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
General John Ripper 20785	Posted - 2014.04.29 10:03:00 - [65] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Seriously, it isn't. It's perfect, right on the money. A triple damage modded rail tank can't even kill it, and if the drivers smart, it's even harder, terrain works in favor of speed and a smart player. And that shield rep? To die for. Incase you guys are wondering why the Saga II is op - The build in harden gives 60% resistance to all damage for shields. Throw on one complex shield extender, you've got yourself a new Logi-LAV. I hadn't planned on sharing this - but I wouldn't mind seeing more LAV's out there letting tanks know they're about as scary to us as Minmatar Heavy. For those who spec further into it - maybe you can actually use the low slot - I can't, but don't need it. Stop liking my posts! Your killing me!! Noo! Arrgghhh!!! :D Twitter: IAmJohnRipper
Zetsumi Ravencroft Ultramarine Corp 66	Posted - 2014.04.29 10:43:00 - [66] - Quote Welp, good thing I already leave proxy traps in common LAV paths for just such occassions as murder taxis... or heavy taxis... the heavy taxis are really fun to have run over my proxies when there's a proto heavy in there. M.A.G - RAVEN Vet "I am not a man, I AM ARMOR WEARING ARMOR WITH A GUN!" - Zetsumi Ravencroft, when using a Sentinel
ROCKO THE HELLHOUND Ultramarine Corp 44	Posted - 2014.04.29 11:57:00 - [67] - Quote i am certain that my Methana + Complex 60mm Plates, Complex Light Reppa & Complex Fuel Injector - as well as my maxed-out bonus stats for it, result in the single one best LAV-Fit for just driving ATM. the Saga II Fit OP mentioned might be a more SP-Investment cheap way to get a good LAV too though... .
Slash Phage Hell 0n Wheels 19	Posted - 2014.04.30 18:44:00 - [68] - Quote Quote: Lol, how about let your instincts be your scans My "instinct" doesn-¦t let me see enemy uplinks around objectives whenever I pass them in full speed.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3567	Posted - 2014.04.30 18:55:00 - [69] - Quote I'm leaning toward Saga II because I'm a vehicle noob and I don't like jacking with active modules. Level 3 Forum Warrior


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