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Ridire Greine 273	Posted - 2014.04.24 17:25:00 - [1] - Quote I don't need the Cloak, and I'm sure many others don't. I've removed the Cloak from all my fits except the one I use for Speed Hacking, seeing as how its slow, got a small tank, and no Profile Damps. But now I feel like I'm missing out, missing out on a bonus that I spent 2.9mil SP to have. I'm not even going to get into the discussion on how the Cloak is a horrible addition to gameplay, and it would seriously be beneficial to just completely remove the damn thing. The Scout suit never needed the Cloak, it just needed a buff. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 1221	Posted - 2014.04.24 17:27:00 - [2] - Quote And what of Minassaults who use Scrambler pistols and Mass drivers? Surely they don't need a bonus to SMG/CR. Grow up and either: Use the bonus Or Don't and use that spare fitting (40/9 at lv5 scout) to utilise Kincats or Damps. General John Ripper is my 2nd best friend!
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4003	Posted - 2014.04.24 17:28:00 - [3] - Quote Do I even need to score this troll out of 10? No.
Ridire Greine 273	Posted - 2014.04.24 17:35:00 - [4] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: And what of Minassaults who use Scrambler pistols and Mass drivers? Surely they don't need a bonus to SMG/CR. Thats a bonus for a specific race, and not a Class wide one. Sentinel - Gets a Bonus to Resistance of Splash (Does not require you to use a specific equip, it is always there) Logistics - Gets a reduction to the PG/CPU Consumption of Equipment (On ALL Equipment, excluding the Cloak) Assault - Gets a Reduction to the PG/CPU Consumption of Weaponry (All Weapons) Commando - Increase to Reload Speed Scout - Reduction of the CPU/PG Consumption of the Cloak (One specific piece of equipment, that does not fit into the playstyle of all Scouts) "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 913	Posted - 2014.04.24 17:45:00 - [5] - Quote Cloaks would be fine if you just add in the delay before you can fire. Plus remove the dampening bonus, though I'd still like an active dampener mod/equipment useable by all that does the same thing just no invisibility. Perhaps reduce the timer to something more reasonable (though I believe the same for vehicle hardeners.)
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 5043	Posted - 2014.04.24 17:52:00 - [6] - Quote Are you going to make one of these every other day? Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Ridire Greine 273	Posted - 2014.04.24 17:53:00 - [7] - Quote The bonus should in my opinion be. 5% Reduction to the CPU/PG Consumption of Biotic Modules per level. Why? More players will be inclined to take out their plates and fill them with Biotics. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'
Ridire Greine 273	Posted - 2014.04.24 17:55:00 - [8] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Are you going to make one of these every other day? Well, it all depends, are people going to be smartasses when I do? Or will they actually, preferably, contribute to the thread? "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 5043	Posted - 2014.04.24 17:58:00 - [9] - Quote What is there to contribute exactly? You're saying you want it removed because you don't need it. Not really any sort of outside contribution necessary to your viewpoint. You don't need it so you don't want it. Cool. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 2990	Posted - 2014.04.24 17:59:00 - [10] - Quote Ridire Greine wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Are you going to make one of these every other day? Well, it all depends, are people going to be smartasses when I do? Or will they actually, preferably, contribute to the thread? There will always be smart asses like me. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(

Ridire Greine 274	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:01:00 - [11] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: What is there to contribute exactly? You're saying you want it removed because you don't need it. Not really any sort of outside contribution necessary to your viewpoint. You don't need it so you don't want it. Cool. Well, you could try to defend your crutch, talk about other possible bonuses, or you could just not post at all. But I guess if you didn't post, it would be hard to be such an obvious, terrible troll. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 632	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:04:00 - [12] - Quote Ridire Greine wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: And what of Minassaults who use Scrambler pistols and Mass drivers? Surely they don't need a bonus to SMG/CR. Thats a bonus for a specific race, and not a Class wide one. Sentinel - Gets a Bonus to Resistance of Splash (Does not require you to use a specific equip, it is always there) Logistics - Gets a reduction to the PG/CPU Consumption of Equipment (On ALL Equipment, excluding the Cloak) Assault - Gets a Reduction to the PG/CPU Consumption of Weaponry (All Weapons) Commando - Increase to Reload Speed Scout - Reduction of the CPU/PG Consumption of the Cloak (One specific piece of equipment, that does not fit into the playstyle of all Scouts) Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
Aszazel R 0 N 1 N 215	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:10:00 - [13] - Quote I think the cloaks are fine, I think the way they operate are fine. I have stated before but no one usually reads (cause I guess I am a thread killer) that they weren't necessary but now that they are here, CCP isn't going to be removing them. The main reason people are complaining about cloaks are that you can switch and shoot without delay and then the field fades. I wrote a thread that this isn't the problem, the problem is that there are hundreds of more scouts now a days then pre 1.8 and they ALL are from people with 20+ mil SP. These people have the tactics and money and SP that has come from playing this game for 6 months to a year and would kill you just the same. It's just that they are using a shotgun and cloak now. I personally use the cloak to get behind you and turn it off as I approach so you don't hear it turn off when I am point blank from you. You are going to die either way, I also have accidentally pressed the deactivate button instead of the weapon switch button, waited for the animation to end, THEN shot you in the head. I do believe scouts should go back to 40/45 profile/precision. I think it would balance out EWAR a little bit, mediums could see cloaked scout with 1 or 2 precision modules. I also think cloaks are a little unnecessarily long, 10/20/30 instead of 30/60/90 secs long would be fine, if you are using the cloak to stand around and watch things for 90 secs you are playing scout wrong. If they were to decrease the time up, but decrease the down time to like 4 secs, it would always be available but not last long and I think it would balance it out a fair bit.
Toby Flenderson research lab 521	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:14:00 - [14] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: And what of Minassaults who use Scrambler pistols and Mass drivers? Surely they don't need a bonus to SMG/CR. Grow up and either: Use the bonus Or Don't and use that spare fitting (40/9 at lv5 scout) to utilise Kincats or Damps. I use the bonus but wish it were different. I don't see why you think the OP needs to grow up? Also I'm going out on a limb but I'm sure the OP didn't remove the cloak from his fittings and fail to utilize the resulting CPU/pg surplus.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 494	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:18:00 - [15] - Quote take away the 25% damp bonus to cloaks Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1567	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:19:00 - [16] - Quote Ridire Greine wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Are you going to make one of these every other day? Well, it all depends, are people going to be smartasses when I do? Or will they actually, preferably, contribute to the thread? To OP STFU, Use an assault suit if you are that great.... If you want to have proper conversation about how you suck at dust or how you can't do anything or how you die when you are cloaked.... please post your valuable thoughts on few hundred other cry baby threads or one or two well thought threads... Just type: Cloak is OP or I suck on the search area
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1567	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:21:00 - [17] - Quote Ridire Greine wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: What is there to contribute exactly? You're saying you want it removed because you don't need it. Not really any sort of outside contribution necessary to your viewpoint. You don't need it so you don't want it. Cool. Well, you could try to defend your crutch, talk about other possible bonuses, or you could just not post at all. But I guess if you didn't post, it would be hard to be such an obvious, terrible troll. Cyrius is Trolling or are you crying about how you suck at this game... I'm sure cyrius can take you without a cloak, scout suit, or even without any modules.... What would you say then?! Remove starter fits cause you it's OP or you don't need it ?! Lmfao
Ridire Greine 276	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:22:00 - [18] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Ridire Greine wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Are you going to make one of these every other day? Well, it all depends, are people going to be smartasses when I do? Or will they actually, preferably, contribute to the thread? To OP STFU, Use an assault suit if you are that great.... If you want to have proper conversation about how you suck at dust or how you can't do anything or how you die when you are cloaked.... please post your valuable thoughts on few hundred other cry baby threads or one or two well thought threads... Just type: Cloak is OP or I suck on the search area You sound mad. Have a cookie. (>o_o)>O <- Thats a Cookie. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'
Toby Flenderson research lab 521	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:27:00 - [19] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Ridire Greine wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Are you going to make one of these every other day? Well, it all depends, are people going to be smartasses when I do? Or will they actually, preferably, contribute to the thread? To OP STFU, Use an assault suit if you are that great.... If you want to have proper conversation about how you suck at dust or how you can't do anything or how you die when you are cloaked.... please post your valuable thoughts on few hundred other cry baby threads or one or two well thought threads... Just type: Cloak is OP or I suck on the search area ^^^ didn't even read the post. Read the post before you start bitching maybe ?
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 644	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:27:00 - [20] - Quote So.... OP skilled into a suit after getting a SP refund knowing perfectly well what the bonus was. And now wants the bonus changed? OP you so silly. Someone smart wouldve done scout lvl 3 and played with cloaks a bit to see how they liked them. But nope, not this guy. This guy is awesome. Guys, I wasted my college years and money getting a degree in computer science, but I really would rather be an actor. Can we make my degree mean actor instead?

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 633	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:28:00 - [21] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Ridire Greine wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Are you going to make one of these every other day? Well, it all depends, are people going to be smartasses when I do? Or will they actually, preferably, contribute to the thread? To OP STFU, Use an assault suit if you are that great.... If you want to have proper conversation about how you suck at dust or how you can't do anything or how you die when you are cloaked.... please post your valuable thoughts on few hundred other cry baby threads or one or two well thought threads... Just type: Cloak is OP or I suck on the search area Sorry OP , I had to like this one ... just because it's a cloaked thread . I just don't understand why were having this discussion , this should have been done when it dropped . Then we wouldn't be having a OPed discussion about something that's not truly OP because .. you can see them and the only real problem is that they can use their weapons with out a true delay when cloaked and the fact that the flux does nothing .. also sometimes it seems that the damage from on-coming fire doesn't registers , because it should . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1569	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:29:00 - [22] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Ridire Greine wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Are you going to make one of these every other day? Well, it all depends, are people going to be smartasses when I do? Or will they actually, preferably, contribute to the thread? To OP STFU, Use an assault suit if you are that great.... If you want to have proper conversation about how you suck at dust or how you can't do anything or how you die when you are cloaked.... please post your valuable thoughts on few hundred other cry baby threads or one or two well thought threads... Just type: Cloak is OP or I suck on the search area ^^^ didn't even read the post. Read the post before you start bitching maybe ? Read : "Use an assault suit if you are that great" LOL
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1569	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:29:00 - [23] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Ridire Greine wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Are you going to make one of these every other day? Well, it all depends, are people going to be smartasses when I do? Or will they actually, preferably, contribute to the thread? To OP STFU, Use an assault suit if you are that great.... If you want to have proper conversation about how you suck at dust or how you can't do anything or how you die when you are cloaked.... please post your valuable thoughts on few hundred other cry baby threads or one or two well thought threads... Just type: Cloak is OP or I suck on the search area Sorry OP , I had to like this one ... just because it's a cloaked thread . I just don't understand why were having this discussion , this should have been done when it dropped . Then we wouldn't be having a OPed discussion about something that's not truly OP because .. you can see them and the only real problem is that they can use their weapons with out a true delay when cloaked and the fact that the flux does nothing .. also sometimes it seems that the damage from on-coming fire doesn't registers , because it should . CCP should fix those bugs...
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1337	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:32:00 - [24] - Quote Scout suits were fine as before, but it was too hard to use. The assault role now is in the scout role's position before 1.8. *Assassination is my thing.*
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 633	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:32:00 - [25] - Quote Along with better Assault and Logistic bonuses . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1569	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:33:00 - [26] - Quote Ridire Greine wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Ridire Greine wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Are you going to make one of these every other day? Well, it all depends, are people going to be smartasses when I do? Or will they actually, preferably, contribute to the thread? To OP STFU, Use an assault suit if you are that great.... If you want to have proper conversation about how you suck at dust or how you can't do anything or how you die when you are cloaked.... please post your valuable thoughts on few hundred other cry baby threads or one or two well thought threads... Just type: Cloak is OP or I suck on the search area You sound mad. Have a cookie. (>o_o)>O <- Thats a Cookie. LOL ... You read the bonuses, you specced into it... You are the best scout in the game... So you don't need it... So why are you here writing these stupid threads ?! If you don't like it or didn't need it, why did you spec into it ?! Should've specced into a cal assault and complained about the bonuses... You'd surely get a lot of positive response... Making a new crybaby thread on top of all the other crybaby threads, just makes it annoying... P.s: it also makes you look like a scrbba dub
Ridire Greine 281	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:34:00 - [27] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: LOL ... You read the bonuses, you specced into it... You are the best scout in the game... So you don't need it... So why are you here writing these stupid threads ?! If you don't like it or didn't need it, why did you spec into it ?! Should've specced into a cal assault and complained about the bonuses... You'd surely get a lot of positive response... Making a new crybaby thread on top of all the other crybaby threads, just makes it annoying... P.s: it also makes you look like a scrbba dub Sorry, I forgot about the milk. (>o_o)>cI_I "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1569	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:36:00 - [28] - Quote Ridire Greine wrote: NAV HIV wrote: LOL ... You read the bonuses, you specced into it... You are the best scout in the game... So you don't need it... So why are you here writing these stupid threads ?! If you don't like it or didn't need it, why did you spec into it ?! Should've specced into a cal assault and complained about the bonuses... You'd surely get a lot of positive response... Making a new crybaby thread on top of all the other crybaby threads, just makes it annoying... P.s: it also makes you look like a scrbba dub Sorry, I forgot about the milk. (>o_o)>cI_I Normally People would start the next reply with a "Your Mom" comment... But i'd refrain myself lol ....
Ridire Greine 281	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:37:00 - [29] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Normally People would start the next reply with a "Your Mom" comment... But i'd refrain myself lol .... Thank god you did, I don't ever see myself recovering from a 'Your Mom' joke, especially after all the unrecoverable and harsh insults you have spewed out so far. Ouch, the pain, oh, the feels. "Jolly cooperation" Knight Solaire Leading Scientist in the examination of 'Forwards'
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1570	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:44:00 - [30] - Quote Ridire Greine wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Normally People would start the next reply with a "Your Mom" comment... But i'd refrain myself lol .... Thank god you did, I don't ever see myself recovering from a 'Your Mom' joke, especially after all the unrecoverable and harsh insults you have spewed out so far. Ouch, the pain, oh, the feels. Need more lube ?!

Toby Flenderson research lab 521	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:51:00 - [31] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Ridire Greine wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Are you going to make one of these every other day? Well, it all depends, are people going to be smartasses when I do? Or will they actually, preferably, contribute to the thread? To OP STFU, Use an assault suit if you are that great.... If you want to have proper conversation about how you suck at dust or how you can't do anything or how you die when you are cloaked.... please post your valuable thoughts on few hundred other cry baby threads or one or two well thought threads... Just type: Cloak is OP or I suck on the search area ^^^ didn't even read the post. Read the post before you start bitching maybe ? Read : "Use an assault suit if you are that great" LOL Read everything you said after that quote. Just a lot of "stop complaing in threads, cloak is OP, you suck". OP is clearly just not interested in using the cloak because he was able to run scout pre-1.8 and feels like the bonus is a waste. This isn't even gloating, I too feel that a cloak bonus is stupid. He's not saying cloaks are OP, he's not saying he's too good for cloaks or commenting on his skill, and he's not QQing about not being good. Haha none of your response makes sense, seriously read it
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 230	Posted - 2014.04.24 19:08:00 - [32] - Quote What exactly is the OP's plan for after the bonus is changed? The cloak was designed to have a prohibitive PG/CPU requirement absent the bonus. Are the fitting requirements reduced? This would be a bonus for scouts as they would now receive an additional bonus and lead to the proliferation of idiot "invisible" medium and heavy frames running around with chevrons over their heads. This might be funny, but the scout frame is already in a pretty favorable place right now. If the requirements are not changed, the cloak becomes useless as the fitting costs are too prohibitive to justify it's cost. The OP may not need or want the cloak, but there are many more who find it useful. Simply stating that you would like a different bonus without giving any indication of what changes need to be made or consideration of how those changes affect the game as a whole isn't much of an invitation to engage in a conversation. -Aramis
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1571	Posted - 2014.04.24 19:23:00 - [33] - Quote Aramis Madrigal wrote: What exactly is the OP's plan for after the bonus is changed? The cloak was designed to have a prohibitive PG/CPU requirement absent the bonus. Are the fitting requirements reduced? This would be a bonus for scouts as they would now receive an additional bonus and lead to the proliferation of idiot "invisible" medium and heavy frames running around with chevrons over their heads. This might be funny, but the scout frame is already in a pretty favorable place right now. If the requirements are not changed, the cloak becomes useless as the fitting costs are too prohibitive to justify it's cost. The OP may not need or want the cloak, but there are many more who find it useful. Simply stating that you would like a different bonus without giving any indication of what changes need to be made or consideration of how those changes affect the game as a whole isn't much of an invitation to engage in a conversation. -Aramis Well said... But logic seem to fall on deaf ears here...
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 964	Posted - 2014.04.24 19:50:00 - [34] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Aramis Madrigal wrote: What exactly is the OP's plan for after the bonus is changed? The cloak was designed to have a prohibitive PG/CPU requirement absent the bonus. Are the fitting requirements reduced? This would be a bonus for scouts as they would now receive an additional bonus and lead to the proliferation of idiot "invisible" medium and heavy frames running around with chevrons over their heads. This might be funny, but the scout frame is already in a pretty favorable place right now. If the requirements are not changed, the cloak becomes useless as the fitting costs are too prohibitive to justify it's cost. The OP may not need or want the cloak, but there are many more who find it useful. Simply stating that you would like a different bonus without giving any indication of what changes need to be made or consideration of how those changes affect the game as a whole isn't much of an invitation to engage in a conversation. -Aramis Well said... But logic seem to fall on deaf ears here... Yep, this is the best post I've seen in weeks. Unusual to see someone actually thinking something through rather than just shouting 'OP', 'nerf', 'buff', 'QQ', 'get gud', etc.


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