DUST Search - How useful do you find Logi teamates?

Rusty Shallows wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Thang Bausch wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

I think too many logis have their rep tool out when they should have their weapon out. It's a balance, but sometimes that heavy would be better suited with some additional DPS rather than reps.

when I'm repping a heavy at 80 HP a second, I can't imagine my almost completely unspeced CR being the right way to turn the tide, particularly when my gun game is just ok. Plus, I feel that if I stop repping and start shooting, I am leaving the heavy in the lurch. the exception is when the opponent is out of range of his HMG, but in my CR's range. In that case, I should try to cover him a bit as we retreat.

It's a balance, the best logis out there know how to do it. If I was to offer advice to any logi out there it would be to not fall into the trap of thinking KDR doesn't matter. Dying a lot doesn't make you a good logi.

Exactly, here's my general SOP. I'm not claiming to be one of the best but my ALT is no slouch.

If the Sentinel is using cover for pop-out attacks or running point with numerous damage zones the endless repping is definitely best.

If the area is semi open I prefer my weapon out for combined DPS and save the Rep Tool for health topping.

To muddy the waters some the Mass Driver can be out almost all the time since bank-shots can add outgoing DPS or clear hostile deployed Equipment. There are many blue-dots who owe their lives to my Combat Engineer who cleared REs or broke a red-dot's Rep Hive position.

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Be'e Po Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2014.04.24 14:52:00 - [1] - Quote Short version: do people like having them and are they helpful? So i've been playing for about 2 months, loving Dust. I've branched into Minmatar commando because it suits me well and I have been loving the Mass Driver/Combat Rifle combo. During the accelerated SP week, i branched out and tried Logi for the first time. I have the Templar Logi BPO, so had a 2/2/2 suit to play with, sporting militia injector and repair. I had a blast. Heck, i had one match where I had 27k SP earned because of a really tough, long corridor fight. I had some 7k Hp repaired. Still, we'be all bewn rezzed by that guy only to be shot before we even stand. Hell, I'm made that logi mistake too. So is it worth it to skill into logi? Do people like having logi in the squad or is it a pain? Is minmatar logi a good choice?
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7174	Posted - 2014.04.24 14:55:00 - [2] - Quote The Logistics is an invaluable unit, and one would need 3-4 units to cover for the lack of one. Yes. Minmatar Logistics is the most effective. HAV > Infantry > AV < HAV [s]Text[/s] <------ That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1863	Posted - 2014.04.24 14:55:00 - [3] - Quote Be'e Po wrote: Short version: do people like having them and are they helpful? I love having a Gallente logi V + active scanner in my squad. Caldari logi nanohives are amazing, and if I was an armor tanker I bet Minmatar rep tools would be equally badass. So yeah, I find them helpful. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 771	Posted - 2014.04.24 15:29:00 - [4] - Quote My min logi nets me crazy amounts of wp and isk. It fits my playstyle perfectly. However, its not a great solo suit. You need a team to be successful. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Ping for video services.
Horizen Kenpachi Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 345	Posted - 2014.04.24 15:34:00 - [5] - Quote The logi in my squad is epic if ur a heavy he churns obs like there grenades hes the real deal 0/3 dosnt shoot just keeps us rolling and he make a damn fine heavy knowing how they work. Hit me with your nerf bat.
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 545	Posted - 2014.04.24 16:10:00 - [6] - Quote i have proto amarr heavy skills its my main suit. but i also have proto amarr/caldari logi suits because of how damm usefull hives and links are and you cant rely on blues for such things. now thats fixed can i haz a trade window?
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 762	Posted - 2014.04.24 16:15:00 - [7] - Quote I'm more of a coffee guy, i really have no use for tea mates. em ta kool t'nod
Cyrus Militani Leon Conglomerate 18	Posted - 2014.04.24 16:40:00 - [8] - Quote A good logi can mean the difference between victory and defeat. They are best used in corridors where they can take cover and still rep units in-front of him. Maps that are out in the open, not so much. On an open map there is more engage, retreat, engage, retreat, etc. As a rep logi I have the most difficulty on open maps because of tanks.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 107	Posted - 2014.04.24 17:34:00 - [9] - Quote Cyrus Militani wrote: A good logi can mean the difference between victory and defeat. They are best used in corridors where they can take cover and still rep units in-front of him. Maps that are out in the open, not so much. On an open map there is more engage, retreat, engage, retreat, etc. As a rep logi I have the most difficulty on open maps because of tanks. I find that if there's a bit of cover, or the distance great enough, I can still play an active roll repping in an open map. I just have to keep moving. But with said,i'm not nearly as effective as I am on a map with cover around. The problem I have encountered is heavies that forget they are a heavy suit. In a match earlier this week, i was logi broing a heavy as we ran along the thin side of the small bridge (not the bridge map, but the small bridge that goes across the road in the map that is from 1.3 or earlier). I was using him as my cover and repping him likely crazy as he mowed down 2 medium and light suit guys. He came up against a heavy that had no logi bro repping him and rather than sit and take the damage, he tried to strafe around the heavy, leaving me exposed. The other heavy was smart enough to immediately mow me down.
Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 306	Posted - 2014.04.24 17:38:00 - [10] - Quote lee corwood wrote: My min logi nets me crazy amounts of wp and isk. It fits my playstyle perfectly. However, its not a great solo suit. You need a team to be successful. Brick tank it, carry all all Hives, your weapon an ADV CR. Make sure you have Prof. 5, and use at least one Damage Mod. You'll tear people up!

Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 306	Posted - 2014.04.24 17:40:00 - [11] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: Cyrus Militani wrote: A good logi can mean the difference between victory and defeat. They are best used in corridors where they can take cover and still rep units in-front of him. Maps that are out in the open, not so much. On an open map there is more engage, retreat, engage, retreat, etc. As a rep logi I have the most difficulty on open maps because of tanks. I find that if there's a bit of cover, or the distance great enough, I can still play an active roll repping in an open map. I just have to keep moving. But with said,i'm not nearly as effective as I am on a map with cover around. The problem I have encountered is heavies that forget they are a heavy suit. In a match earlier this week, i was logi broing a heavy as we ran along the thin side of the small bridge (not the bridge map, but the small bridge that goes across the road in the map that is from 1.3 or earlier). I was using him as my cover and repping him likely crazy as he mowed down 2 medium and light suit guys. He came up against a heavy that had no logi bro repping him and rather than sit and take the damage, he tried to strafe around the heavy, leaving me exposed. The other heavy was smart enough to immediately mow me down. Try to stay a way from idiots. That heavy you were repping was a moron, he needs to always have you in mind. Logi in the open? No no no no no.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3506	Posted - 2014.04.24 17:42:00 - [12] - Quote I think too many logis have their rep tool out when they should have their weapon out. It's a balance, but sometimes that heavy would be better suited with some additional DPS rather than reps. Level 3 Forum Warrior
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 107	Posted - 2014.04.24 17:45:00 - [13] - Quote Medical Crash wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: Cyrus Militani wrote: A good logi can mean the difference between victory and defeat. They are best used in corridors where they can take cover and still rep units in-front of him. Maps that are out in the open, not so much. On an open map there is more engage, retreat, engage, retreat, etc. As a rep logi I have the most difficulty on open maps because of tanks. I find that if there's a bit of cover, or the distance great enough, I can still play an active roll repping in an open map. I just have to keep moving. But with said,i'm not nearly as effective as I am on a map with cover around. The problem I have encountered is heavies that forget they are a heavy suit. In a match earlier this week, i was logi broing a heavy as we ran along the thin side of the small bridge (not the bridge map, but the small bridge that goes across the road in the map that is from 1.3 or earlier). I was using him as my cover and repping him likely crazy as he mowed down 2 medium and light suit guys. He came up against a heavy that had no logi bro repping him and rather than sit and take the damage, he tried to strafe around the heavy, leaving me exposed. The other heavy was smart enough to immediately mow me down. Try to stay a way from idiots. That heavy you were repping was a moron, he needs to always have you in mind. Logi in the open? No no no no no. In hindsight, I should have just jumped off the bridge. the other heavy was smart: as soon as I was open, he immediately mowed me down at point blank range.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 107	Posted - 2014.04.24 17:56:00 - [14] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think too many logis have their rep tool out when they should have their weapon out. It's a balance, but sometimes that heavy would be better suited with some additional DPS rather than reps. when I'm repping a heavy at 80 HP a second, I can't imagine my almost completely unspeced CR being the right way to turn the tide, particularly when my gun game is just ok. Plus, I feel that if I stop repping and start shooting, I am leaving the heavy in the lurch. the exception is when the opponent is out of range of his HMG, but in my CR's range. In that case, I should try to cover him a bit as we retreat.
Echoist Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 273	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:19:00 - [15] - Quote I generally don't rely on a logi since I'm almost always using my laser rifle, though it is nice to have that safety net to bounce back off when things get hairy. Though I can't deny that a good logi can make a squad extremely powerful. Noobasaures: "Rawr" STINGY: Yes I did nickname my laser rifle. Owner of a "Insta Bacon Machine" called STINGY
SHANN da MAN D3LTA FORC3 C0VEN 214	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:25:00 - [16] - Quote Yagihige wrote: I'm more of a coffee guy, i really have no use for tea mates. This is a good one ... shouldn't be long before someone steals it and uses it as their signature ... nothing to see here ... move along
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 144	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:34:00 - [17] - Quote NICE Thread!!! Nice to see us players are learning the POWER of the Logi-role in this game. Nice to see players recognize the bone-head mistakes that budding Logi and Support players make---and forgive 'em for it....their still learning. Cool! Killing lots of red dots is GOOD in this and most games. But OWNING the battlefield right out from under the red dots through covering and shielding teammates, doing the "guardian" rep on our fatties, hoping that dying merc can hold out JUST A FEW SECONDS so you can revive him in the clear instead of braving the idea that the reds won't hose you with your red-cross helmet on.... THAT's glory only DUST 514 delivers for me. I very much value the true-logi suit roles (Mim, Cald, etc) as well as the lesser talked about "Artificer" roles that players like me create by cobbling together pimped suits with pimped support vehicles. Glad to see so many others paraise Logi. If you folks are acheiving such success in these small matches,... imagine how POWERFUL your skills will be in a full-blown PC match (when PC gets all the bugs out...).
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1179	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:48:00 - [18] - Quote As a sentinel I love having logies in my team, LOVE "Now I am become Dev, the locker of threads." -CCP Logibro t¢«
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3507	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:51:00 - [19] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think too many logis have their rep tool out when they should have their weapon out. It's a balance, but sometimes that heavy would be better suited with some additional DPS rather than reps. when I'm repping a heavy at 80 HP a second, I can't imagine my almost completely unspeced CR being the right way to turn the tide, particularly when my gun game is just ok. Plus, I feel that if I stop repping and start shooting, I am leaving the heavy in the lurch. the exception is when the opponent is out of range of his HMG, but in my CR's range. In that case, I should try to cover him a bit as we retreat. It's a balance, the best logis out there know how to do it. If I was to offer advice to any logi out there it would be to not fall into the trap of thinking KDR doesn't matter. Dying a lot doesn't make you a good logi. Level 3 Forum Warrior
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 567	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:52:00 - [20] - Quote Depends a lot on the logi. a good logi is a force multiplier and can make the whole squad a very feared presence. A poor logi player is more of an annoyance and is never there when you need them.

Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1350	Posted - 2014.04.24 18:58:00 - [21] - Quote logi's are extremely good to have on your side in a fight. they have different strengths, but you seem to identify them best with medical support. the Minmatar is indeed the best medic of the bunch. Logi strengths: Caldari: Best when it comes to nanohives, they get more uses at a higher restoration rate. Amarr: Best at drop uplinks, theirs bring you into the fight faster, and last longer. Minmatar: Repair tool gods. Gallente: Best scanners. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Rusty Shallows 1644	Posted - 2014.04.24 19:58:00 - [22] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think too many logis have their rep tool out when they should have their weapon out. It's a balance, but sometimes that heavy would be better suited with some additional DPS rather than reps. when I'm repping a heavy at 80 HP a second, I can't imagine my almost completely unspeced CR being the right way to turn the tide, particularly when my gun game is just ok. Plus, I feel that if I stop repping and start shooting, I am leaving the heavy in the lurch. the exception is when the opponent is out of range of his HMG, but in my CR's range. In that case, I should try to cover him a bit as we retreat. It's a balance, the best logis out there know how to do it. If I was to offer advice to any logi out there it would be to not fall into the trap of thinking KDR doesn't matter. Dying a lot doesn't make you a good logi. Exactly, here's my general SOP. I'm not claiming to be one of the best but my ALT is no slouch. If the Sentinel is using cover for pop-out attacks or running point with numerous damage zones the endless repping is definitely best. If the area is semi open I prefer my weapon out for combined DPS and save the Rep Tool for health topping. To muddy the waters some the Mass Driver can be out almost all the time since bank-shots can add outgoing DPS or clear hostile deployed Equipment. There are many blue-dots who owe their lives to my Combat Engineer who cleared REs or broke a red-do'ts Rep Hive position. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 109	Posted - 2014.04.25 01:57:00 - [23] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think too many logis have their rep tool out when they should have their weapon out. It's a balance, but sometimes that heavy would be better suited with some additional DPS rather than reps. when I'm repping a heavy at 80 HP a second, I can't imagine my almost completely unspeced CR being the right way to turn the tide, particularly when my gun game is just ok. Plus, I feel that if I stop repping and start shooting, I am leaving the heavy in the lurch. the exception is when the opponent is out of range of his HMG, but in my CR's range. In that case, I should try to cover him a bit as we retreat. It's a balance, the best logis out there know how to do it. If I was to offer advice to any logi out there it would be to not fall into the trap of thinking KDR doesn't matter. Dying a lot doesn't make you a good logi. To be honest, I don't think I've found that balance yet. up until recently, my kdr on matches was usually positive, but rarely good. I at least need to improve my gun game, situational awareness, and tactics. I mainly run solo, so I imagine the last one would be easier to improve if I started running in squads more. Probably the best way to improve my gun game is to play a non-logi role for a while.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5966	Posted - 2014.04.25 01:59:00 - [24] - Quote I love me a good logi, I cuddle my stuffed logi at night, minmatar of corse. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 109	Posted - 2014.04.25 01:59:00 - [25] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think too many logis have their rep tool out when they should have their weapon out. It's a balance, but sometimes that heavy would be better suited with some additional DPS rather than reps. when I'm repping a heavy at 80 HP a second, I can't imagine my almost completely unspeced CR being the right way to turn the tide, particularly when my gun game is just ok. Plus, I feel that if I stop repping and start shooting, I am leaving the heavy in the lurch. the exception is when the opponent is out of range of his HMG, but in my CR's range. In that case, I should try to cover him a bit as we retreat. It's a balance, the best logis out there know how to do it. If I was to offer advice to any logi out there it would be to not fall into the trap of thinking KDR doesn't matter. Dying a lot doesn't make you a good logi. Exactly, here's my general SOP. I'm not claiming to be one of the best but my ALT is no slouch. If the Sentinel is using cover for pop-out attacks or running point with numerous damage zones the endless repping is definitely best. If the area is semi open I prefer my weapon out for combined DPS and save the Rep Tool for health topping. To muddy the waters some the Mass Driver can be out almost all the time since bank-shots can add outgoing DPS or clear hostile deployed Equipment. There are many blue-dots who owe their lives to my Combat Engineer who cleared REs or broke a red-dot's Rep Hive position. I've been thinking about running with an MD on my logi. I've always done AR on my logi and recently went to CR since I'm also speced into the min commando for AV and AoD.
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 977	Posted - 2014.04.25 02:20:00 - [26] - Quote I love them when they're actually performing their intended role. As a heavy it makes me sad to sit in a corner with 63 armor left and watch countless logi's run by and it's even worse when it's a Minmatar logi; why the fck don't you have a rep tool? Or when I'm shooting at them with my side arm and switching between it and my main weapon; I'm not doing it because it's the cool thing to do, throw down a hive man. Support Orbital Spawns
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2139	Posted - 2014.04.25 02:30:00 - [27] - Quote lee corwood wrote: My min logi nets me crazy amounts of wp and isk. It fits my playstyle perfectly. However, its not a great solo suit. You need a team to be successful. i agree the min logi is awesome, I disagree its a poor solo suit... when soloing in min logi either fit 3 sets of uplinks or remotes and links (even a hive to refill your remotes) use thesuit to drop links in strategic areas and remotes for traps or defending null cannons, combine it with an LAV for fast travel and you are a force to be wrecking with (play on words there for you grammar *****...) this game makes me sad....
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2936	Posted - 2014.04.25 02:40:00 - [28] - Quote Atiim wrote: The Logistics is an invaluable unit, and one would need 3-4 units to cover for the lack of one. Yes. Minmatar Logistics is the most effective. Amarr is better. ALL THE UPLINKS ALL THE TIME ak.0 4 LYFE I am the Lorhak. I speak for the trees.
Rusty Shallows 1651	Posted - 2014.04.25 04:02:00 - [29] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: I've been thinking about running with an MD on my logi. I've always done AR on my logi and recently went to CR since I'm also speced into the min commando for AV and AoD. Up until two days ago the Mass Driver was the only weapon the Combat Engineer. With nearly perfect fitting skills it still doesn't work on the 'Sever' Logi frame so I finally caved and trained SMG. However an Assault Mass Driver is on all the Advanced M/1-Series. If you can roll with a tight squad/team it is a fun weapon. Solo play is pretty reckless or an adventure if you want to put a positive spin on it. Going Combat Rifle was smart. Especially if you are serious about clearing an area before needling someone. There is an A.R.C Thread all Commandos should check out. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Titus Stryker Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 289	Posted - 2014.04.25 04:22:00 - [30] - Quote i love being a mini logi I Stream Dust HERE *However, I am not good so keep expectations low



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