1st of all I meant no offence... and I apologize if I seemed a bit abrasive to you... I'm just calling it as I see it.... what I meant by this being a refurbished QQ thread is that these are the sort of things all the QQ threads ask for, yes you are coming from a more level headed approach and you outline your case well, and you are probably sincere in wanting to "fix" dust.

the problem however is that there is no simple fix because there are large broken parts of dust, like pc, npe, lack of pve, matchmaking, big broken things.... you simply touch upon details that you must admit are coming from your personal experience with the game, and they seem huge to you because they effect your enjoyment, and your "fixes" like making a heavy slot only fit heavy weapons, have been tirelessly QQED about for ages, though much less eloquent then your attempt to discuss this.... so I don't mean to offend you, I simply meant to impress upon you how minor the items you listed are in the grand project of fixing dust.

Interesting ideas by OP

I am not a developer nor game designer, I am just a player so take these thoughts as such

1. I have thought that too, but have imagined that fitting penalties for "non core" weapons would be smart, not locking options just making them a little harder to fit

1b. Maybe the sentinel could only use heavy, but commando anything

2. of course, it's a bug

3. I would go as far as to say we use stacking penalties too seldomly, stacking basic plates over actually advanced and complex is something that shouldn't pay off, imo.

4. I can say that I no longer feel my duvolle is competitive, but it's still viable if I pick my fights and optimize for my effective range. I like that I can't charge heavies and pump headshots into them any more though.

5. not a tanker, but generally feel that jack of all trades should be proper jacks, reward specialization

6. I would love to make the PLC a viable AV weapon without making it OP against infantry. A skillshot weapon against infantry definitely, it is my favorite weapon through thick and thin

Obviously not a tanker. And OP is a heavy hater as well. Fun guy.

Blasters have very limited range

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I have even seen the ingnoranti declare that blasters should get dispersion. Which they already have. The basic blaster will only take down a tanked ADV suit with luck and persistence. A PRO suit is nearly unkillable by the Militia or Basic blaster.

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One of the few remaining things in this game that are good is the ability to find a way to play the way you like to play. That means you are a heavy and CCP/Shanghai shafts you by Nerf Hammering your weapons - you switch weapons. If the combat rifle has more range than your weapon and can take you out before yours will spool or charge up. Try it. If it works, fine. Beware of QQ Kittens though, their flood are enormous.

Maybe, just maybe, CCP/Shanghai can start giving out stats of what is killing you or even globally what is happening. What we have now is yet another flood of QQ kittens whining about all the things that have killed them today (or at most the last week) and trying to limit the way others play the game such that they cannot be killed by that combination again.

What they don't realize is a good player will still kill them. It is the very nature of FPS that a slayer will win. Lesser players need options.

Bugs in Dust are not fixed often, wait too long and they are enshrined in the lore of That Doesn't Work.
So try something else, hopefully not a different game.


As always, Welcome to Dust - and learn to play the game!

He means change it to -5% and +5%. Because otherwise they would have to change it to a hybrid weapon and what fun would that be?

1. Who cares? If a heavy is too stupid to run the hmg they've already made it significantly easier for them to get brought down.

2. Video proof, this bug was fixed long ago. I'm assuming you're just bitching that the delay is short, if so stop trying to protect your ego by saying its a bug.

3. You're approaching the whole thing wrong, an imbecile is creating vehicle mechanics, sack that fool first then start over again.

4. This is a common misconception. The damage profile has next to nothing to do with the problem like the mouth breathers suggest. Its an rof issue at its core for the non assault variant. Moving the profile won't change anything. Again a slight buff to the ar would go a long way especially since the ar is already a superior cqc weapon but most people keep overlooking it due to range issues. The rr is better at extreme ranges giving the cr a nice little niche for the in between stuff.

5. Again this is the wrong approach altogether. The problem is the range of blasters not that they can kill things, reducing blaster ranges to 75m effective would go a long way especially since 225m right now puts t way too close to rail tanks and hilariously outranges swarms and can reach most forges not on a ds assisted perch.

I would go even further and give combat rifle -10%/+10% and then give the assault rifle the combats rifle damage profile.

Zaaeed Massani?!
When did you escape the ME universe and got into New Eden

IMO, if something happens to cloaky-shotgun-scouts, the HMG will be the undisputed king of CQC with very very few counters. If you run some ambush matches, eventually you'll see hordes of sentinels all gridlocked inside a building with Logi support. It's almost impossible to kill anything in those grid locks without another HMG to apply more damage than is being repped. I -do not- like this, as the Assault Rifle, having a very low range by comparison of other rifles, should at least be competitive against an HMG at times (not all the time). Otherwise, it doesn't really have much purpose other than being a less powerful Assault Combat Rifle.

-Remove kb/m from a console game!
-Improve AV
-remove lag

Although I wouldn't mind an equipment slot on heavies (the commando already has one) my argument still stand the Heavy Weapons are the ONLY suit excusive gear. CCP could easily made a cloak slot just for scouts but they decides to allow nearly alll suits access to the cloak.

I've liked this idea since I first heard it. Locking the heavy weapon slot sets a problematic precedent and doesn't really solve the issue anyway, but adding fitting penalties for using a non-optimized weapon in any slot (which would include sidearm weapons in light slots) nudges players into the roles the suits were meant to fill without completely barring them from creative uses.

Also, please nerf the Sentinel's PG/CPU. Seriously, it's ridiculous. I could run the math, but the numbers the base suit has now are pretty close to what should be the max you can get with all skills.

Done. *poof* I present to you the Commando.

5. Make 80GJ blaster turrets AV or AI, but make up your mind and stop letting it function as both.

Sorry still not seeing an Equipment slot on the Basic Frames or Sentinel.

Please try harder.

I was even experimenting with quadruple complex reps and a complex shield extender to see if I could active tank, with less than great results. I would love it that was a viable ;). Or armor hardeners in high, a man can dream right?

Haha, I actually emailed one dust dev to ask about that. For now I am happy rolling, albeit very situaionally, in my full pro ga sentinel, complex plates and reps, pro weapon and high slots of choice. I have all core skills maxed, but maybe that's a bit generous to not have to make an actual choice, "oh, all pro in every slot with pg/cpu to spare, better not tell anyone..."

I was even experimenting with quadruple complex reps and a complex shield extender to see if I could active tank, with less than great results. I would love it that was a viable ;). Or armor hardeners in high, a man can dream right?

Go fit a maddy with triple reps. That's an active tank that won't let you down..

1. Lock Heavies to heavy weapons in their H slot.

2. Fix the cloak bug that allows firing while cloaked.

3. Moderately increase the stacking penalties of vehicle modules.

4. Balance the Combat Rifle (-10% to shield damage & +10% to armor damage).

5. Make 80GJ blaster turrets AV or AI, but make up your mind and stop letting it function as both.

Seriously, tell me why/how these changes wouldn't improve the game experience for the vast majority of the dwindling playerbase.

EDIT: 4b. Balance the PLC (read: buff it).

Why? That would completely defeat the purpose. There's no need for unbalanced damage profiles.

And that's completely beside the point that the AR is a hybrid-blaster weapon and so by definition is stronger against shields and weaker against armor.

So no.

I was even experimenting with quadruple complex reps and a complex shield extender to see if I could active tank, with less than great results. I would love it that was a viable ;). Or armor hardeners in high, a man can dream right?

Obviously not a tanker. And OP is a heavy hater as well. Fun guy.

Blasters have very limited range and thus are primarily for close in support. If a Derp gets too close then they will be a decent target, however considering their ability to exit the engagement quickly what is the point?

Blaster strips shields quickly and hammer on armor hard enough. Infantry has both and they bounce, weave and are more mobile than the slow moving turrets in Dust tanks. But they are very range dependent. If a rail is against a blaster the rail will want more range while the blaster will want to get close during their engagement.

I have even seen the ingnoranti declare that blasters should get dispersion. Which they already have. The basic blaster will only take down a tanked ADV suit with luck and persistence. A PRO suit is nearly unkillable by the Militia or Basic blaster.

One of the few remaining things in this game that are good is the ability to find a way to play the way you like to play. That means you are a heavy and CCP/Shanghai shafts you by Nerf Hammering your weapons - you switch weapons. If the combat rifle has more range than your weapon and can take you out before yours will spool or charge up. Try it. If it works, fine. Beware of QQ Kittens though, their flood are enormous.

Maybe, just maybe, CCP/Shanghai can start giving out stats of what is killing you or even globally what is happening. What we have now is yet another flood of QQ kittens whining about all the things that have killed them today (or at most the last week) and trying to limit the way others play the game such that they cannot be killed by that combination again.

What they don't realize is a good player will still kill them. It is the very nature of FPS that a slayer will win. Lesser players need options.

Bugs in Dust are not fixed often, wait too long and they are enshrined in the lore of That Doesn't Work.
So try something else, hopefully not a different game.


As always, Welcome to Dust - and learn to play the game!

Haha, I actually emailed one dust dev to ask about that. For now I am happy rolling, albeit very situaionally, in my full pro ga sentinel, complex plates and reps, pro weapon and high slots of choice. I have all core skills maxed, but maybe that's a bit generous to not have to make an actual choice, "oh, all pro in every slot with pg/cpu to spare, better not tell anyone..."

I was even experimenting with quadruple complex reps and a complex shield extender to see if I could active tank, with less than great results. I would love it that was a viable ;). Or armor hardeners in high, a man can dream right?

1. Lock Heavies to heavy weapons in their H slot.

2. Fix the cloak bug that allows firing while cloaked.

3. Moderately increase the stacking penalties of vehicle modules.

4. Balance the Combat Rifle (-10% to shield damage & +10% to armor damage).

5. Make 80GJ blaster turrets AV or AI, but make up your mind and stop letting it function as both.

Seriously, tell me why/how these changes wouldn't improve the game experience for the vast majority of the dwindling playerbase.

EDIT: 4b. Balance the PLC (read: buff it).

Lol k

Make the forge gun AI or AV. It cannot be both.

1. Lock Heavies to heavy weapons in their H slot. then give them new longer range, and varied heavy weapons

2. Fix the cloak bug that allows firing while cloaked.

3. Moderately increase the stacking penalties of vehicle modules.

4. Balance the Combat Rifle so only minmatar race can use it

5. Make 80GJ blaster turrets AV or AI, but make up your mind and stop letting it function as both.

Seriously, tell me why/how these changes wouldn't improve the game experience for the vast majority of the dwindling playerbase.

EDIT: 4b. Balance the PLC (read: buff it).

He means change it to -5% and +5%. Because otherwise they would have to change it to a hybrid weapon and what fun would that be?

1. Lock Heavies to heavy weapons in their H slot.

2. Fix the cloak bug that allows firing while cloaked.

3. Moderately increase the stacking penalties of vehicle modules.

4. Balance the Combat Rifle (-10% to shield damage & +10% to armor damage).

5. Make 80GJ blaster turrets AV or AI, but make up your mind and stop letting it function as both.

Seriously, tell me why/how these changes wouldn't improve the game experience for the vast majority of the dwindling playerbase.

EDIT: 4b. Balance the PLC (read: buff it).

Fixed.

1. I have thought that too, but have imagined that fitting penalties for "non core" weapons would be smart, not locking options just making them a little harder to fit

You know...

Weapons, etc., wouldn't necessarily have to be artificially balanced if matchmaking was done by K/d and WP/d. People with the most lethal fits and those with the cockroachiest fits would end up meeting people of similar lethality/ruggedness, and so would everyone else. So, no matter how you drive up your numbers, you're going to be facing more and more resistance the more you exploit/utilize the tactic. Similarly, if you die a lot (), you would face more like-minded, ill-fated foes.

Now that I've made balance automatic, let's get more maps and a manufacturing economy/sub-game.

4.If everyone will stop whinging about it the CR sure, personally if they just removed the bullethose (ACR) variant I don't think nearly as many people would be complaining.

Blaster isn't that effective at killing vehicles...