DUST Search - cloaks for jihad jeeps

CELESTA AUNGM wrote:

This is actually developing into a really good thread on "cloaking".

I am against Cloaking of any kind, and have always been against it in previous games. I think it's a fantasy toy that was inspired in players by the Romulans in Star Trek, and has always become a nuissance toy that gives the user-player satisfaction pestering the opponent players, or gives the user-player an upper hand at increasing her kill-rate without risking her life in an open fight.... but DOESN'T give the user any solid means of improving her winning a match. It's never been regulated in a game to become an honorable "tool" for overthrowing an adversary and winning a match.

BUT.... I am hoping Dust can introduce cloak-equipment for the individual in a way that finally makes a cloak a useful tool for winning battles, not just a troublemaker gag that players annoy you with. I AM trying to give cloaking a fair chance to be something.

I don't want cloaking vehicles to be provided to us as a way of giving new powers to our IDVs (Improvised Detonation Vehicle...please let's stop spreading the j-jeep phrase---it's out of jargon with the game)------because I don't want IDVs to become our IRREPLACEABLE way of dealing with the goofy HAV problem we are having.
Ugh

I know, that sounds all twisty-brained. I mean this:
We need to hold out, and continue to complain about the HAV problem until it gets a proper long-term fix---I'd hate for us to get accustomed to the HAV problem and get too reliant on the explosives-LAV as the intended Dust-Solution.

I fully enjoy the IDV because it shows players using their noodles to adapt and improvise cool means of destruction in these matches, but if we get new devices to enhance/protect our IDVs, we'll generate a whole stale population of relentless IDV driving. I'd like to see the IDV as a constantly difficult and risky ploy, so we are constantly tempted to find regularly NEW improvisations for destroying someone.

RISK is the factor I want to see always running through Dust, like it seems to in Eve Online.
Anything that makes us somewhat nervous about commiting our expensive new suit to the next gunfight, gets my endorsement.
Anything that starts to eleviate our anxiety about risking our valueable gear, is a thing I am against!
That's one of the reasons I was against "Cloaks" of any kind in Dust---too many players will only use it as a free gift to come over and attack YOU because the cloak arguably erases the risk of THEM losing anything.

I understand and accept that cloaking is not some new thing in New Eden (big ships used it, and RDVs represent "cloaking componentry" being miniatturized/stabalized enough to bring it into a planet's atmosphere... ) Finally, okay, it's been miniaturized enough to make a rudimentary cloak-field for a person walking around. But PLEASE keep it rudimentary.

I'll put up with annoying cloak-boys for now, but PLEASE, no cloak DSs, cloak-HAVs, or cloak-Orbital Strikes, cloak-nades, cloak-installations, or cloak-CRUs, cloak-...

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Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2055	Posted - 2014.04.22 21:37:00 - [1] - Quote lets face it, av is a joke and the jihad jeep is the most viable tactic against tanks. I don't think its fair with how powerful tanks are that they are able to shoot me before I make impact so I am requesting LAV cloaks to make this weapon king of the hill vs tanks. this game makes me sad....
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2098	Posted - 2014.04.22 21:44:00 - [2] - Quote Vehicle cloaks will eventually probably be a thing, but it's probably not something that'd be good to introduce now. And as vehicle modules aren't vehicle specific, do you really want to unleashed cloaky HAVs on the world right now? The big thing about introducing vehicle cloaks will probably be forcing them to be on a specific black ops variant. So say, your black ops derpship can fit a cloak, but it's weaker in other respects. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1143	Posted - 2014.04.22 21:49:00 - [3] - Quote I hope vehicle cloaks never enter Dust514 "Now I am become Dev, the locker of threads." -CCP Logibro t¢«
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2055	Posted - 2014.04.22 21:52:00 - [4] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: I hope vehicle cloaks never enter Dust514 oh but think of the tears! dust is missing a true sense of potential loss, THIS would realize that potential. it is a needed element, whether you like it or not. this game makes me sad....
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2055	Posted - 2014.04.22 21:54:00 - [5] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Vehicle cloaks will eventually probably be a thing, but it's probably not something that'd be good to introduce now. And as vehicle modules aren't vehicle specific, do you really want to unleashed cloaky HAVs on the world right now? The big thing about introducing vehicle cloaks will probably be forcing them to be on a specific black ops variant. So say, your black ops derpship can fit a cloak, but it's weaker in other respects. cloaked hav's cant shoot... so yes I wouldn't mind... but a cloaked lav with remotes on its hood certainly can kill and would keep tankers looking over their shoulder this game makes me sad....
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2100	Posted - 2014.04.22 21:55:00 - [6] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: I hope vehicle cloaks never enter Dust514 As both dropsuits (smaller than vehicles) and spaceships (larger than vehicles) can both cloak, vehicle cloaks is really just a matter of time. But it comes down to balance and game design. If vehicles ever switch to a capacitor model, like spaceships in EVE, a cloaked vehicle would be very crippled coming out of cloak until it's capacitor regenerated. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1144	Posted - 2014.04.22 22:15:00 - [7] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: I hope vehicle cloaks never enter Dust514 oh but think of the tears! dust is missing a true sense of potential loss, THIS would realize that potential. it is a needed element, whether you like it or not. All the tears less messed up tears Soraya Xel wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: I hope vehicle cloaks never enter Dust514 As both dropsuits (smaller than vehicles) and spaceships (larger than vehicles) can both cloak, vehicle cloaks is really just a matter of time. But it comes down to balance and game design. If vehicles ever switch to a capacitor model, like spaceships in EVE, a cloaked vehicle would be very crippled coming out of cloak until it's capacitor regenerated. You are most likely correct, black ops dropship with a cloak would be awesome cool though "Now I am become Dev, the locker of threads." -CCP Logibro t¢«
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 494	Posted - 2014.04.23 02:16:00 - [8] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: I hope vehicle cloaks never enter Dust514 oh but think of the tears! dust is missing a true sense of potential loss, THIS would realize that potential. it is a needed element, whether you like it or not. All the tears less messed up tears Soraya Xel wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: I hope vehicle cloaks never enter Dust514 As both dropsuits (smaller than vehicles) and spaceships (larger than vehicles) can both cloak, vehicle cloaks is really just a matter of time. But it comes down to balance and game design. If vehicles ever switch to a capacitor model, like spaceships in EVE, a cloaked vehicle would be very crippled coming out of cloak until it's capacitor regenerated. You are most likely correct, black ops dropship with a cloak would be awesome cool though I could finally land my dropship to deploy troops without getting shot on the way down. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 143	Posted - 2014.04.23 18:41:00 - [9] - Quote This is actually developing into a really good thread on "cloaking". I am against Cloaking of any kind, and have always been against it in previous games. I think it's a fantasy toy that was inspired in players by the Romulans in Star Trek, and has always become a nuissance toy that gives the user-player satisfaction pestering the opponent players, or gives the user-player an upper hand at increasing her kill-rate without risking her life in an open fight.... but DOESN'T give the user any solid means of improving her winning a match. It's never been regulated in a game to become an honorable "tool" for overthrowing an adversary and winning a match. BUT.... I am hoping Dust can introduce cloak-equipment for the individual in a way that finally makes a cloak a useful tool for winning battles, not just toy that players annoy you with. I don't want cloaking vehicles to be provided to us as a way of giving new powers to our IDVs (Improvised Detonation Vehicle...please let's stop spreading the j-jeep stuff---it's out of jargon with the game)------because I don't want IDVs to become our IRREPLACEABLE way of dealing with the goofy HAV problem we are having. I know, that sounds all twisty-brained. I mean this: We need to hold out, and continue to complain about the HAV problem until it gets a proper long-term fix---I'd hate for us to get accustomed to the HAV problem and get too reliant on the explosives-LAV as the Dust-Solution. I fully enjoy the IDV because it shows players using their noodles to adapt and improvise cool means of destruction in these matches, but if we get new devices to enhance/protect our IDVs, I'd like to see us constantly put at RISK using the IDV, and constantly tempted to find even MORE improvisations in the fight. RISK is the factor I want to see always running through Dust, like it seems to in Eve Online. Anything that starts to eleviate our anxiety about risking our valueable gear, is a thing I am against! That's one of the reasons I don't like "Cloaks" of any kind---too many players will only use it as a free gift to come over and attack YOU because now there is less risk to THEM losing anything. I understand and accept the cloaking is not a new technology in New Eden (big ships used it, and RDVs represent "cloaking componentry" being miniatturized/stabalized enough to bring it into a planet's atmosphere... ) Finally, okay, it's been miniaturized enough to make a rudimentary cloak-field for the foot merc. But PLEASE keep it rudimentary. I'll put up with annoying cloak-boys for now, but PLEASE, no cloak DSs, cloak-HAVs, cloak-Orbital Strikes, cloak-nades, cloak-installations, cloak-CRUs, cloak-...
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2096	Posted - 2014.04.23 19:34:00 - [10] - Quote I like the term IDV, but I also like jihad jeep, just as we had murder taxi before, it's a funny term, though I agree that its out of step with lore. I also agree that in dust and some other games cloaks are used as a crutch, but that's only because they aren't implemented correctly, personally I think if your gonna use a cloak there should be a big sacrifice for such a definitive advantage, such as lower ehp (like your a one shot kill) slower movement, or limited fitting capabilities, or maybe all of the above....it certainly shouldn't help you be a slayer, but it should provide, for those skilled in its use, a significant advantage for the cloaked mercs team. cloaked vehicles would be great imo, but again to use the cloak should mean sacrificing something else in exchange for the advantages that come with the cloak, such as much lower ehp, lower dmg, lower speed, something like this to such a significant degree that the cloak becomes a death sentence to people who don't understand how to make use of its advantages. that's my 2 cents...thankyou Celesta Aungm for such a thoughtful post. this game makes me sad....

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 624	Posted - 2014.04.23 20:07:00 - [11] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: I hope vehicle cloaks never enter Dust514 IKR Would be the dumbest ideal ever . This community tries to do too dam much and need to tone all of this extra crap down . Let's fix and balance the game before we go and add another game breaking tool . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1163	Posted - 2014.04.24 00:07:00 - [12] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: I hope vehicle cloaks never enter Dust514 IKR Would be the dumbest ideal ever . This community tries to do too dam much and need to tone all of this extra crap down . Let's fix and balance the game before we go and add another game breaking tool . Moderation has never been a word in CCP's vocabulary though "Now I am become Dev, the locker of threads." -CCP Logibro t¢«
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2110	Posted - 2014.04.24 22:10:00 - [13] - Quote so how bout them cloaks ccp? this game makes me sad....
Kelbec Illidarie The Forlorn Hope. 14	Posted - 2014.04.24 23:16:00 - [14] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Vehicle cloaks will eventually probably be a thing, but it's probably not something that'd be good to introduce now. And as vehicle modules aren't vehicle specific, do you really want to unleashed cloaky HAVs on the world right now? The big thing about introducing vehicle cloaks will probably be forcing them to be on a specific black ops variant. So say, your black ops derpship can fit a cloak, but it's weaker in other respects. cloaked hav's cant shoot... so yes I wouldn't mind... but a cloaked lav with remotes on its hood certainly can kill and would keep tankers looking over their shoulder sure cloaked HAV's cant shoot but they can hide from your cloaked LAV and when they sit posted up and see a sparkling mass about the size of a LAV boom, boom a good HAV can track you and pop you still in two shots and you never saw it coming... however i do support your cloak idea. i want one on my tank and drop ship now. Primary role: Logi Secondary role: Pilot/Tanker
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2057	Posted - 2014.04.24 23:22:00 - [15] - Quote JLAV's should be removed from the game, not helped. If you can't kill a HAV with a FG, you just suck...... click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1399	Posted - 2014.04.24 23:28:00 - [16] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: JLAV's should be removed from the game, not helped. If you can't kill a HAV with a FG, you just suck...... Oh sure, I'll just pick up this forge gun and shoot that Tank. Oh darn, I got one shot off and then it activated a repper(if I even got past the shield) and shot me with a blaster from the same freaking distance. (Note: This happens at every distance) I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2123	Posted - 2014.04.24 23:31:00 - [17] - Quote Kelbec Illidarie wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Vehicle cloaks will eventually probably be a thing, but it's probably not something that'd be good to introduce now. And as vehicle modules aren't vehicle specific, do you really want to unleashed cloaky HAVs on the world right now? The big thing about introducing vehicle cloaks will probably be forcing them to be on a specific black ops variant. So say, your black ops derpship can fit a cloak, but it's weaker in other respects. cloaked hav's cant shoot... so yes I wouldn't mind... but a cloaked lav with remotes on its hood certainly can kill and would keep tankers looking over their shoulder sure cloaked HAV's cant shoot but they can hide from your cloaked LAV and when they sit posted up and see a sparkling mass about the size of a LAV boom, boom a good HAV can track you and pop you still in two shots and you never saw it coming... however i do support your cloak idea. i want one on my tank and drop ship now. that kind of scenario is exactly why I want them myself kind of a battle of the cloaks this game makes me sad....
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2123	Posted - 2014.04.24 23:33:00 - [18] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: JLAV's should be removed from the game, not helped. If you can't kill a HAV with a FG, you just suck...... I could say the same thing... if you have to kill infantry with a tank you just suck.... also what if a player doesn't have sp in forges? are you saying everyone must skill in forges? kinda ruins the idea of dust if we must all be the same thing eh? 1/10 for troll... high score for you... this game makes me sad....
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 312	Posted - 2014.04.25 01:02:00 - [19] - Quote op post sucks that much with bullshit ohk jhiad jeep he wants a way to make it so that he hits tanks 100% of the time with bpo suit loaded with remotes. i know that there are issues with av. not saying it sucks. i can manage to bring tanks down by myself with my wykomi swarm an adv av nades takes alot of effort but pays off and if i have hera with me than virtually all vehicles will die to us. and cloks for vehicles. yes lets make us insanley op and nigh unkillable *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2137	Posted - 2014.04.25 02:05:00 - [20] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: op post sucks that much with bullshit ohk jhiad jeep he wants a way to make it so that he hits tanks 100% of the time with bpo suit loaded with remotes. i know that there are issues with av. not saying it sucks. i can manage to bring tanks down by myself with my wykomi swarm an adv av nades takes alot of effort but pays off and if i have hera with me than virtually all vehicles will die to us. and cloks for vehicles. yes lets make us insanley op and nigh unkillable you're forgetting the tanks would have cloaks too... seems fair right? and it actually takes skill to jihad jeep... I need to hit them just right or it isn't a ohk... unless its a militia tank... and before they shoot me... this game makes me sad....

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2816	Posted - 2014.04.25 03:56:00 - [21] - Quote lol weRideNDie2getha since 2010
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2149	Posted - 2014.04.25 04:26:00 - [22] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: lol lots of love? this game makes me sad....
Alena Ventrallis PAND3M0N1UM Top Men. 1212	Posted - 2014.04.25 04:28:00 - [23] - Quote Or you could, you know, actually plan your approach and not charge straight into a large railgun. That's what you get!! - DA Rick
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2149	Posted - 2014.04.25 04:38:00 - [24] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Or you could, you know, actually plan your approach and not charge straight into a large railgun. good tip... I'm writing that down as I'm typing this... this game makes me sad....
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 174	Posted - 2014.04.26 14:46:00 - [25] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Vehicle cloaks will eventually probably be a thing, but it's probably not something that'd be good to introduce now. And as vehicle modules aren't vehicle specific, do you really want to unleashed cloaky HAVs on the world right now? The big thing about introducing vehicle cloaks will probably be forcing them to be on a specific black ops variant. So say, your black ops derpship can fit a cloak, but it's weaker in other respects. cloaked hav's cant shoot... so yes I wouldn't mind... but a cloaked lav with remotes on its hood certainly can kill and would keep tankers looking over their shoulder Would be the vehicle equivalent of the current cloaked shotgun scout. Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK THE BONERBOMBS 5	Posted - 2014.04.26 23:26:00 - [26] - Quote i'll support the lav cloak only if its available for the scout lav and make it cost a **** ton of isk 2.3mil isk maybe with out any mods and lasts for 40 seconds and is connected to the car like the logi lavs rep tool
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2168	Posted - 2014.04.26 23:30:00 - [27] - Quote THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK wrote: i'll support the lav cloak only if its available for the scout lav and make it cost a **** ton of isk 2.3mil isk maybe with out any mods and lasts for 40 seconds and is connected to the car like the logi lavs rep tool works for me.... this game makes me sad....
Jillic Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 113	Posted - 2014.04.27 02:30:00 - [28] - Quote I'm an avid Jihad Jeeper and this made me lol so fekkin hard. I'd love it, but I'd feel so guilty every time I got a kill. Caldari Girls Do It Better. I am not Lorhak Gannarsein, but I was his 3000th Like.
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2177	Posted - 2014.04.27 02:32:00 - [29] - Quote Jillic wrote: I'm an avid Jihad Jeeper and this made me lol so fekkin hard. I'd love it, but I'd feel so guilty every time I got a kill. guilt always makes me feel sexy. this game makes me sad....
Jillic Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 113	Posted - 2014.04.27 02:34:00 - [30] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Jillic wrote: I'm an avid Jihad Jeeper and this made me lol so fekkin hard. I'd love it, but I'd feel so guilty every time I got a kill. guilt always makes me feel sexy. I like this guy. No, seriously, I gave him a like. Caldari Girls Do It Better. I am not Lorhak Gannarsein, but I was his 3000th Like.

Kelbec Illidarie The Forlorn Hope. 25	Posted - 2014.04.27 04:25:00 - [31] - Quote Jillic wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Jillic wrote: I'm an avid Jihad Jeeper and this made me lol so fekkin hard. I'd love it, but I'd feel so guilty every time I got a kill. guilt always makes me feel sexy. I like this guy. No, seriously, I gave him a like. i have never seen your jeep... =/ Primary role: Logi Secondary role: Pilot/Tanker
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 67	Posted - 2014.04.27 05:35:00 - [32] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: This is actually developing into a really good thread on "cloaking". I am against Cloaking of any kind, and have always been against it in previous games. I think it's a fantasy toy that was inspired in players by the Romulans in Star Trek, and has always become a nuissance toy that gives the user-player satisfaction pestering the opponent players, or gives the user-player an upper hand at increasing her kill-rate without risking her life in an open fight.... but DOESN'T give the user any solid means of improving her winning a match. It's never been regulated in a game to become an honorable "tool" for overthrowing an adversary and winning a match. BUT.... I am hoping Dust can introduce cloak-equipment for the individual in a way that finally makes a cloak a useful tool for winning battles, not just a troublemaker gag that players annoy you with. I AM trying to give cloaking a fair chance to be something. I don't want cloaking vehicles to be provided to us as a way of giving new powers to our IDVs (Improvised Detonation Vehicle...please let's stop spreading the j-jeep phrase---it's out of jargon with the game)------because I don't want IDVs to become our IRREPLACEABLE way of dealing with the goofy HAV problem we are having. I know, that sounds all twisty-brained. I mean this: We need to hold out, and continue to complain about the HAV problem until it gets a proper long-term fix---I'd hate for us to get accustomed to the HAV problem and get too reliant on the explosives-LAV as the intended Dust-Solution. I fully enjoy the IDV because it shows players using their noodles to adapt and improvise cool means of destruction in these matches, but if we get new devices to enhance/protect our IDVs, we'll generate a whole stale population of relentless IDV driving. I'd like to see the IDV as a constantly difficult and risky ploy, so we are constantly tempted to find regularly NEW improvisations for destroying someone. RISK is the factor I want to see always running through Dust, like it seems to in Eve Online. Anything that makes us somewhat nervous about commiting our expensive new suit to the next gunfight, gets my endorsement. Anything that starts to eleviate our anxiety about risking our valueable gear, is a thing I am against! That's one of the reasons I was against "Cloaks" of any kind in Dust---too many players will only use it as a free gift to come over and attack YOU because the cloak arguably erases the risk of THEM losing anything. I understand and accept that cloaking is not some new thing in New Eden (big ships used it, and RDVs represent "cloaking componentry" being miniatturized/stabalized enough to bring it into a planet's atmosphere... ) Finally, okay, it's been miniaturized enough to make a rudimentary cloak-field for a person walking around. But PLEASE keep it rudimentary. I'll put up with annoying cloak-boys for now, but PLEASE, no cloak DSs, cloak-HAVs, or cloak-Orbital Strikes, cloak-nades, cloak-installations, or cloak-CRUs, cloak-... Actually, cloaks are not a fantasy. They are a concept in development, and there are currently materials that have been developed to replicate transparency, or visually distort to appear so.
Jillic Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 147	Posted - 2014.04.27 05:45:00 - [33] - Quote Kelbec Illidarie wrote: Jillic wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Jillic wrote: I'm an avid Jihad Jeeper and this made me lol so fekkin hard. I'd love it, but I'd feel so guilty every time I got a kill. guilt always makes me feel sexy. I like this guy. No, seriously, I gave him a like. i have never seen your jeep... =/ It's because it has a cloak on it! No, truthfully, I haven't been doing it much lately. Caldari Girls Do It Better. I am not Lorhak Gannarsein, but I was his 3000th Like.
Big Burns Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 97	Posted - 2014.04.27 07:19:00 - [34] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: lets face it, av is a joke and the jihad jeep is the most viable tactic against tanks. I don't think its fair with how powerful tanks are that they are able to shoot me before I make impact so I am requesting LAV cloaks to make this weapon king of the hill vs tanks. WHat!? Do you not know about the dangling RDV's. Is that not enough? Possibly the best around.


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