And if you have a snare on the tank, none of that matters does it?

He isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Right now if you put two guys with swarms on a tank, the tank will probably get away.

If you replaced one of those swarms with a PLC that had a snare, then the AV tag team would win. If you give the PLC big damage instead, the tank would probably get away again unless the buff was so ridiculously outrageous that no one need ever run any other form of AV ever again.


The plasma cannon, im sorry to tell you, isn't that difficult to hit a vehicle. So drop that argument. It's hard to KILL a vehicle with. But then, its the same way for swarms and forges right now. It's difficult for any solo AV to do this job right.

What I'm telling you is that if you give it a snare, it buffs AV duos or incredibly good commandos to the point it is much easier to take down HAV's.

If you can put a snaring plasma cannon in the city, why in their right mind is going to want to rush into the city with a tank? That's a risky proposition. He's close, you're a big target, he has cover, you can't get away, the entire enemy team is surrounding you... nasty stuff.


Now it sounds like you just want a solo AV weapon that can wreck everything, to which I say no. That is not the way vehicles versus infantry has been balanced and it shouldn't be balanced that way.

To me it sounds like you want webifiers.

I don't want my only AV weapon to be a ******* web, I want to behave like a Gallente weapon would - Devastating at close range.

And if they will go the route of your suggestion they better double the ammo capacity on that thing because I will be sitting there pounding tanks for 10 minutes before they finally give up and get out to kill me. (Exaggeration but still)

Well guess what? You would be doing exactly what every other form of AV is currently doing against tanks who operate solo. Infantry deter HAV's solo, they do not kill solo. Not against good tanks.

And you're not going to do more damage than a heavy weapon. Especially not when you can hold two of the damn things. Get those delusions out of your head good sir. If you were to get any form of damage increase it would be on the plasma MORTAR, the Gallente heavy weapon. Not the Plasma cannon, a light weapon that any tard can run around with.

No.

Heavy weapons > light weapons.

If they didn't do this, they wouldn't bother making them heavy.

No.

Heavy weapons > light weapons.

If they didn't do this, they wouldn't bother making them heavy.

Is the PC the only light weapon that has always been useless? I would say burst AR as well, but at one time ARs were so strong that even the ginger headed stepchild of the family could hold its own.

By introducing the snare effect you don't have to directly compare the PLC to the forge, because they serve different functions. A forge kills tankers who screw up. A swarm launcher assists a combined effort, or deters. They are not things to be held on the same level of performance.

An HMG will out DPS a shotgun, and outrange it. Both are CQC, one is clearly better. The shotgun is made good by the suit it is attached to, but the HMG being a heavy weapon is good all by itself. Heavy weapons > light weapons in raw power for their intended role.

The plasma cannon cannot be better than the forge gun in its intended role. A guy with a plasma cannon can lay down links. Can fight off infantry with his sidearm. A heavy with a forge has only one job, and you would have him outperformed by the PLC. That is game design stupidity. If he was on the bridge map, or three point in a cargo hub, he would dominate on any of the outside points with a PLC and dominate the lower point of a cargo hub entirely unchallenged. Why would you ever field a forge?

At the range provided its way too easy to hit tanks there. No.

The PLC is too applicable where it matters to give it a major damage buff. It needs an assist role.

Everyone will run heavies in your vision of the game, with just logistics support.
That's literally what the game will become.

And don't pull the "speed" bullshit, I can make a heavy run faster than any assault while still having my 1000+ HP and the raw power doom machines.

No, you can't. I damn near invented the kincat sentinel, so don't try to lie to me about how fast it can go. Sprint speed isn't movement speed anyway.

And even if you could, it still wouldn't matter.

Heavies are about combat domination. They serve no other role. An assault can transition where he needs to fast, and brawl with everyone else. He can use his one equipment slot to supplement where his squad is weakest. A scout can assassinate, provide radar for his team, and speed hack objectives. Logis keep everything together. Without a good logi, your team needs only a single wipeout and you're done.

The balance is decent. Assaults need help, but most of the balance is decent. Things, for the most part, work how they should.

Scouts are FOTM because they have total situational awareness, and can do an assaults job better than an assault can. That is a singular problem that needs fixing. Most of everything else falls into line.

Put kincats on your assault and suddenly he's faster than your heavy.

Crazy eh?

Again, sprint speed is not movement speed. Sprint speed doesn't help you in combat. Movement speed does.

Put kin cats on your assault and suddenly you can't actually fight against that heavy with kin cats.

Heavies completely negate the enemies movement speed, the HMG's spread makes it so that strafing doesn't even matter.

And if you have a snare on the tank, none of that matters does it?

He isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Right now if you put two guys with swarms on a tank, the tank will probably get away.

If you replaced one of those swarms with a PLC that had a snare, then the AV tag team would win. If you give the PLC big damage instead, the tank would probably get away again unless the buff was so ridiculously outrageous that no one need ever run any other form of AV ever again.


The plasma cannon, im sorry to tell you, isn't that difficult to hit a vehicle. So drop that argument. It's hard to KILL a vehicle with. But then, its the same way for swarms and forges right now. It's difficult for any solo AV to do this job right.

What I'm telling you is that if you give it a snare, it buffs AV duos or incredibly good commandos to the point it is much easier to take down HAV's.

If you can put a snaring plasma cannon in the city, why in their right mind is going to want to rush into the city with a tank? That's a risky proposition. He's close, you're a big target, he has cover, you can't get away, the entire enemy team is surrounding you... nasty stuff.


Now it sounds like you just want a solo AV weapon that can wreck everything, to which I say no. That is not the way vehicles versus infantry has been balanced and it shouldn't be balanced that way.

Well guess what? You would be doing exactly what every other form of AV is currently doing against tanks when they operate solo. Infantry deter HAV's solo, they do not kill solo. Not against good tanks.

And you're not going to do more damage than a heavy weapon. Especially not when you can hold two of the damn things. Get those delusions out of your head good sir. If you were to get any form of damage increase it would be on the plasma MORTAR, the Gallente heavy weapon. Not the Plasma cannon, a light weapon that any tard can run around with.

Gonna have to say himiko makes the stronger argument.

Sorry cat, even the best fall down sometime.

Which is not to say the PLC doesn't need a damage buff (slightly), but that damage is a really lazy way of balancing it.