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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

The only thing the plasma cannon needs is a snaring effect for anything hit by it, or its splash.

It cannot ever be as powerful as a forge gun, because that would make commandos too good.

It will not as good at killing a vehicle as a swarm, because it also has anti-infantry uses and that would make it too good for a light weapon.

It needs a horizontal application in its usage, and that is a snare. Give it a snare.

It's slow, and if you get hit by it, you are slow. Ironic, delicious practicality.

The Plasma cannon is the most difficult AV weapon to use, and yes it is AV, confirmed by CCP themselves.

Difficulty to use + Limited range + Low Damage = PoS

It HAS to do more damage than the forge, or else you're using CCP logic.

I just explained why it doesn't.

A forge is not, and never will be, as devastating at killing a tank as someone who is able to land a plasma shot to prevent them from getting away, then switching to a swarm and finishing them off.

Simply saying "this needs more damage or its not as good" is brain dead game design, brought about by a person with no imagination or perception of how things interact. So basically, YOU are the one using CCP logic.

Furthermore, A forge gunner has to sacrifice a player slot in the game to do one, singular job. He has to be exemplary in his application of this job. If another form of AV does it better, AND can carry two weapons, the forge gunner should not be fielded ever, any under circumstance.

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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8797	Posted - 2014.04.22 10:17:00 - [1] - Quote The PLC will have been broken for a full year, without any buff in sight. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1894	Posted - 2014.04.22 10:22:00 - [2] - Quote The PLC is such a bad weapon, but it's pretty damned fun to use. It could use a decrease to projectile flight time as well as reloading time. Also, an increase to splash radius and damage wouldn't hurt..
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 152	Posted - 2014.04.22 10:26:00 - [3] - Quote needs to be more RPG vs shields not this arcing nad tosser . who ever who was thinkn the arc of it was cool needs there balls ripped off with a rusty hanger
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8799	Posted - 2014.04.22 10:27:00 - [4] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: needs to be more RPG vs shields not this arcing nad tosser . who ever who was thinkn the arc of it was cool needs there balls ripped off with a rusty hanger Also needs a damage increase... It's a close range AV weapon that has a single shot and then needs to reload, and yet it does less damage per shot than the Swarm or Forge. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Bazookah Tooth NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 446	Posted - 2014.04.22 10:50:00 - [5] - Quote Side note: it will also be my birthday on that day. \o/ woo! "I believe it's a sin not to rule the world if you've been blessed with the strength!" Justice HMG for life
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1702	Posted - 2014.04.22 10:55:00 - [6] - Quote As a minmitar sentinal the splash is non existant, and i can take a direct hit turn around and insert my hmg to return the favour lol The answer is "ForgeGun"... doesnt matter what the question is...
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3557	Posted - 2014.04.22 11:02:00 - [7] - Quote The only thing the plasma cannon needs is a snaring effect for anything hit by it, or its splash. It cannot ever be as powerful as a forge gun, because that would make commandos too good. It will not as good at killing a vehicle as a swarm, because it also has anti-infantry uses and that would make it too good for a light weapon. It needs a horizontal application in its usage, and that is a snare. Give it a snare. It's slow, and if you get hit by it, you are slow. Ironic, delicious practicality.
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 762	Posted - 2014.04.22 11:04:00 - [8] - Quote Just wait, isn't their an Assault or Breach variant in the SDE? Soon it shall be god, and all of you who can destroy using the base variant shall be demi-gods when its new cousins arrive on the scene. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8802	Posted - 2014.04.22 11:05:00 - [9] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: The only thing the plasma cannon needs is a snaring effect for anything hit by it, or its splash. It cannot ever be as powerful as a forge gun, because that would make commandos too good. It will not as good at killing a vehicle as a swarm, because it also has anti-infantry uses and that would make it too good for a light weapon. It needs a horizontal application in its usage, and that is a snare. Give it a snare. It's slow, and if you get hit by it, you are slow. Ironic, delicious practicality. The Plasma cannon is the most difficult AV weapon to use, and yes it is AV, confirmed by CCP themselves. Difficulty to use + Limited range + Low Damage = PoS It HAS to do more damage than the forge, or else you're using CCP logic. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8802	Posted - 2014.04.22 11:06:00 - [10] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: Just wait, isn't their an Assault or Breach variant in the SDE? Soon it shall be god, and all of you who can destroy using the base variant shall be demi-gods when its new cousins arrive on the scene. I read the stats, the Assault variant seems to be good against infantry, but the Breach is lackluster. Besides, the SDE is not a good source of information about items that we don't have in the game yet. There's a crusader suit there sitting since the closed beta. There's also a miasma grenade, and tons more like that. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC

rpastry The Rainbow Effect 165	Posted - 2014.04.22 11:10:00 - [11] - Quote PLC must be somewhere near 10005th on the 'needs fixed' priority list. [Removed ASCII Art - CCP Logibro]
Kaughst Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 410	Posted - 2014.04.22 11:10:00 - [12] - Quote All it really needs are new variants, Breach for that damage on Tanks and Assault to annoy people with. "He said he has a alt in STB." "Everyone has a alt in STB."
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 368	Posted - 2014.04.22 11:19:00 - [13] - Quote 1. lose the silly firing arc and travel time aka give it the same standards of every other projectile weapon. adding all manner of special characteristics has simply made it ineffective. raise the damage considerably but dont add splash as that will turn it into a noob tube, as a matter of fact lower it if the direct damage goes up. 2. allow a second firing mode where the shell homes in on targets that have been painted with L1 (grenades should have to be equipped) 0. let mercs paint targets as its long overdue. teamwork FTW.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 562	Posted - 2014.04.22 11:34:00 - [14] - Quote Pfft. It's a "skill" weapon that's "working as intended". Deciphering the truth from a web of lies is far easier than you'd think. Especially if you're a bureaucrat.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3558	Posted - 2014.04.22 11:43:00 - [15] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: The only thing the plasma cannon needs is a snaring effect for anything hit by it, or its splash. It cannot ever be as powerful as a forge gun, because that would make commandos too good. It will not as good at killing a vehicle as a swarm, because it also has anti-infantry uses and that would make it too good for a light weapon. It needs a horizontal application in its usage, and that is a snare. Give it a snare. It's slow, and if you get hit by it, you are slow. Ironic, delicious practicality. The Plasma cannon is the most difficult AV weapon to use, and yes it is AV, confirmed by CCP themselves. Difficulty to use + Limited range + Low Damage = PoS It HAS to do more damage than the forge, or else you're using CCP logic. I just explained why it doesn't. A forge is not, and never will be, as devastating at killing a tank as someone who is able to land a plasma shot to prevent them from getting away, then switching to a swarm and finishing them off. Simply saying "this needs more damage or its not as good" is brain dead game design, brought about by a person with no imagination or perception of how things interact. So basically, YOU are the one using CCP logic. Furthermore, A forge gunner has to sacrifice a player slot in the game to do one, singular job. He has to be exemplary in his application of this job. If another form of AV does it better, AND can carry two weapons, the forge gunner should not be fielded ever, any under circumstance.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1233	Posted - 2014.04.22 11:46:00 - [16] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: The PLC will have been broken for a full year, without any buff in sight. The Pretty Light Cannon? If you mean the Plasma Cannon what does the L mean. Lob or Loser. And so it goes.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8803	Posted - 2014.04.22 11:47:00 - [17] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: The PLC will have been broken for a full year, without any buff in sight. The Pretty Light Cannon? If you mean the Plasma Cannon what does the L mean. Lob or Loser. Well, PC is already taken, so PLC. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8803	Posted - 2014.04.22 11:49:00 - [18] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: The only thing the plasma cannon needs is a snaring effect for anything hit by it, or its splash. It cannot ever be as powerful as a forge gun, because that would make commandos too good. It will not as good at killing a vehicle as a swarm, because it also has anti-infantry uses and that would make it too good for a light weapon. It needs a horizontal application in its usage, and that is a snare. Give it a snare. It's slow, and if you get hit by it, you are slow. Ironic, delicious practicality. The Plasma cannon is the most difficult AV weapon to use, and yes it is AV, confirmed by CCP themselves. Difficulty to use + Limited range + Low Damage = PoS It HAS to do more damage than the forge, or else you're using CCP logic. I just explained why it doesn't. A forge is not, and never will be, as devastating at killing a tank as someone who is able to land a plasma shot to prevent them from getting away, then switching to a swarm and finishing them off. Simply saying "this needs more damage or its not as good" is brain dead game design, brought about by a person with no imagination or perception of how things interact. So basically, YOU are the one using CCP logic. Furthermore, A forge gunner has to sacrifice a player slot in the game to do one, singular job. He has to be exemplary in his application of this job. If another form of AV does it better, AND can carry two weapons, the forge gunner should not be fielded ever, any under circumstance. And I explained why your reasoning is flawed: Difficulty to use + Limited range + Low Damage = PoS Edge cases be damned, the PLC needs to work on it's own, and it needs to devestate vehicles when it hits them, because actually hitting anything with the bloody thing is damn near impossible if the pilot knows what he's doing. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3560	Posted - 2014.04.22 11:52:00 - [19] - Quote If I have long range on a target a tank can get away from my forge. If I'm in close range, its even easier for him. If a plasma cannon is able to snare them, suddenly they can no longer guarantee escape and that makes the situation a lot more deadly for the tank to stumble into. Explain to me how that makes it a PoS? Guaranteed escape from one situation, inability to escape from another? You have not thought this out.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3560	Posted - 2014.04.22 11:55:00 - [20] - Quote In fact if it just got a damage buff, a person would take one hit from it, activate hardeners and GTFO. Your version of the plasma cannon would be worse than my version, versus pretty much anything.

Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3771	Posted - 2014.04.22 11:56:00 - [21] - Quote It's also a year since new maps, sockets, modes, and a handful of other stuff. It'll be a "laser focused" year with only 1 of the FanFest 2013 goals somewhat accomplished (dropsuit parity, but no Pilots). Still waiting for PvE, P2P, Speeders, vehicle parity, Caldari Production Facility, Minmatar Cargo Hub, more moods (if you count that stupid ass Volcanic background as a legit mood, go ** yourself.) and so much more. Good job, ***** amateurs. I GÖú Kittens.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8804	Posted - 2014.04.22 12:01:00 - [22] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: In fact if it just got a damage buff, a person would take one hit from it, activate hardeners and GTFO. Your version of the plasma cannon would be worse than my version, versus pretty much anything. I'm sorry but 1150 at proto is **** for damage, like absolute crap. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Moochie Cricket Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 704	Posted - 2014.04.22 12:01:00 - [23] - Quote It needs to have the option for different firing modes. Maybe one type of ammo could be colorful confetti and another could be something like a big firework, with aurum variants that could be different colors or different shaped explosions. The battlefield could be so festive and pretty. "Military training is preferable, but anyone who can fly a plane would be useful." "I can fly. I'm pilot."
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2293	Posted - 2014.04.22 12:01:00 - [24] - Quote Imo, the real point with PLC is the oh-so-slow water balloon. Just a bit faster and it would be a good weapon to use. -#Firmocosìperchènonhopersonalità
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2293	Posted - 2014.04.22 12:03:00 - [25] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: It needs to have the option for different firing modes. Maybe one type of ammo could be colorful confetti and another could be something like a big firework, with aurum variants that could be different colors or different shaped explosions. The battlefield could be so festive and pretty. OT The pinky laser. That would be awesome. -#Firmocosìperchènonhopersonalità
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3560	Posted - 2014.04.22 12:05:00 - [26] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: In fact if it just got a damage buff, a person would take one hit from it, activate hardeners and GTFO. Your version of the plasma cannon would be worse than my version, versus pretty much anything. I'm sorry but 1150 at proto is **** for damage, like absolute crap. And why does it have to be the king of damage instead of giving a unique controlling effect that actually puts the vehicle in a different kind of danger? If you double the damage, you end up with double-plasma-cannon-wielding commandos just running around dropping tanks without trying. If you buff it by 50%, it's still worthless compared to a forge gun's versatility and range. The only option to make it worth using and not OP is to give it a snare for vehicles, or scrap the AV idea entirely and give it a large DoT splash versus infantry.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8808	Posted - 2014.04.22 12:09:00 - [27] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: In fact if it just got a damage buff, a person would take one hit from it, activate hardeners and GTFO. Your version of the plasma cannon would be worse than my version, versus pretty much anything. I'm sorry but 1150 at proto is **** for damage, like absolute crap. And why does it have to be the king of damage instead of giving a unique controlling effect that actually puts the vehicle in a different kind of danger? If you double the damage, you end up with double-plasma-cannon-wielding commandos just running around dropping tanks without trying. If you buff it by 50%, it's still worthless compared to a forge gun's versatility and range. The only option to make it worth using and not OP is to give it a snare for vehicles, or scrap the AV idea entirely and give it a large DoT splash versus infantry. Well, let's see. Slow projectile - Check Arc - Check Long delay after firing before you can reload or switch weapons - Check If a Commando runs with this setup then good job, he is dedicated to AV and still needs skill to make it work. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 816	Posted - 2014.04.22 12:16:00 - [28] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: The PLC will have been broken for a full year, without any buff in sight. Psh Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3560	Posted - 2014.04.22 12:17:00 - [29] - Quote And if you have a snare on the tank, none of that matters does it? He isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Right now if you put two guys with swarms on a tank, the tank will probably get away. If you replaced one of those swarms with a PLC that had a snare, then the AV tag team would win. If you give the PLC big damage instead, the tank would probably get away again unless the buff was so ridiculously outrageous that no one need ever run any other form of AV ever again. The plasma cannon, im sorry to tell you, isn't that difficult to hit a vehicle. So drop that argument. It's hard to KILL a vehicle with. But then, its the same way for swarms and forges right now. It's difficult for any solo AV to do this job right. What I'm telling you is that if you give it a snare, it buffs AV dups or incredibly good commandos to the point it is much easier to take down HAV's. If you can put a snaring plasma cannon in the city, why in their right mind is going to want to rush into the city with a tank? That's a risky proposition. He's close, you're a big target, he has cover, you can't get away, the entire enemy team is surrounding you... nasty stuff. Now it sounds like you just want a solo AV weapon that can wreck everything, to which I say no. That is not the way vehicles versus infantry has been balanced and it shouldn't be balanced that way.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12588	Posted - 2014.04.22 12:18:00 - [30] - Quote A snare on the PLC would actually be very healthy for it in terms of AV viability. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro



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