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KING CHECKMATE
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:53:00 -
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Im a speed freak.
I cannot live with a SLOW character.
Even pre 1.8 where i ran an Amarr Assault i had the most stupid of fits using my 3 low slots of my Ak.0 for 2 Cx Prof Dampeners and a Complex Kin Cat. (yes the Horror, A Shield Tanked Ak.0 ; around 450 shields at the time).
I suffered heavily in the times i used a Sentinel ( For the FG / AV purposes ) because of the same.
Now, I like being agile but i ALSO LOVE HIGH ROF weapons
My Gk.0 scout suit is already maxed out, i have all the passives i need at Lv.5 and the weapons i use on it too: SMG, ACR, CR , AR, MD & SCR/ASCR.
Im missing just ONE High RoF weapon, the HMG.
The HMG is a BEAUTIFUL weapon, sadly ( and thankful in the name of balance) My Gk.0 Scout cannot use it.
Now i cannot run in anything that runs below 7 at Sprint speed i JUST CANT so i come here to the Forums to ask for some advice, see what people think i should use for a SPEED TANKED SENTINEL.
Im thinking the best 2 options are the Minmatar and the Gallente Sentinels The minmatar because of the natural Speed advantage and the Gallente because of the NATURAL HP repair and high amount of LOW slots.
Im looking for a sprt SPEED AT LEAST over 6.5 (best would be 7) and SOME basic level of armor repair.The Armor repair DOES NOT NEED To be very impressive, but at least 1 or 2...Speed is of more importance.
The idea is to function as a Big fat scout,running behind enemies , shooting at them then ''hiding'' while i recover some HP, rinse and repeat.
Any opinions for this wannabe heavy?
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:55:00 -
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The matar sentinel is your go to suit.
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:56:00 -
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[quote=KING CHECKMATEIm looking for a sprt SPEED AT LEAST over 6.5 (best would be 7) [/quote]
They have a very special module, that might have been made specifically for heavies, it's so perfect for them.
CCP noticed that heavies were horribly, horribly, slow, and so they gave us... the LAV.
What makes it even better than a regular speed boost, is that it even helps you heal when you use it.
It's just like extra armor. oh wait, it IS extra armor :-}
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KING CHECKMATE
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
5131
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:59:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:
They have a very special module, that might have been made specifically for heavies, it's so perfect for them.
CCP noticed that heavies were horribly, horribly, slow, and so they gave us... the LAV.
What makes it even better than a regular speed boost, is that it even helps you heal when you use it.
It's just like extra armor. oh wait, it IS extra armor :-}
Even if thats true I prefer inner urban environments , not open fields.
an LAV cannot provide the speed i need in -+ of the places i usually roam around. ty, but no ty :3
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Zetsumi Ravencroft
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2014.04.19 22:00:00 -
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Easy... get the heck out of a Sentinel suit, and stop trying to run it like a scout... you want speed tanking, stick to the scout suits, it's one of the many things they do best.
M.A.G - RAVEN Vet
"I am not a man, I AM ARMOR WEARING ARMOR WITH A GUN!" - Zetsumi Ravencroft, when using a Sentinel
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.04.19 22:02:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Im a speed freak.
I cannot live with a SLOW character.
Even pre 1.8 where i ran an Amarr Assault i had the most stupid of fits using my 3 low slots of my Ak.0 for 2 Cx Prof Dampeners and a Complex Kin Cat. (yes the Horror, A Shield Tanked Ak.0 ; around 450 shields at the time).
I suffered heavily in the times i used a Sentinel ( For the FG / AV purposes ) because of the same.
Now, I like being agile but i ALSO LOVE HIGH ROF weapons
My Gk.0 scout suit is already maxed out, i have all the passives i need at Lv.5 and the weapons i use on it too: SMG, ACR, CR , AR, MD & SCR/ASCR.
Im missing just ONE High RoF weapon, the HMG.
The HMG is a BEAUTIFUL weapon, sadly ( and thankful in the name of balance) My Gk.0 Scout cannot use it.
Now i cannot run in anything that runs below 7 at Sprint speed i JUST CANT so i come here to the Forums to ask for some advice, see what people think i should use for a SPEED TANKED SENTINEL.
Im thinking the best 2 options are the Minmatar and the Gallente Sentinels The minmatar because of the natural Speed advantage and the Gallente because of the NATURAL HP repair and high amount of LOW slots.
Im looking for a sprt SPEED AT LEAST over 6.5 (best would be 7) and SOME basic level of armor repair.The Armor repair DOES NOT NEED To be very impressive, but at least 1 or 2...Speed is of more importance.
The idea is to function as a Big fat scout,running behind enemies , shooting at them then ''hiding'' while i recover some HP, rinse and repeat.
Any opinions for this wannabe heavy?
You should edit your post so the capital letters are bold. Also I would personally go minmatar heavy with 2 kin cats, 2 energizers, and a complex shield if you can fit all that.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.19 22:03:00 -
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Today I learned that Minmatar Sentinels can strafe.
I was surprised and quite dead.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
2911
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Posted - 2014.04.19 22:11:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Today I learned that Minmatar Sentinels can strafe.
I was surprised and quite dead.
Nausea1987 is the best matar heavy I've seen in a advance suit.
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
3726
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Posted - 2014.04.19 22:12:00 -
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**** the haters.
Speed tanking Heavies is gold for a former worthy Scout.
Assault HMG
2 Complex KinCatz
1 Enhanced Cardiac Regulator
Armor Reps in remaining Slots
Damage Mods in the High(s)
Sidearm & Grenade of choice (SMG+Flux, here)
Scouts are the only ones I've seen outrun the fitting, but only by a narrow margin on the bricked ones.
You're still a big blip on everyone's TacNet, so you have to be more aware of positioning. That's why the AHMG, to engage from safer distances. Damage Mods because it's a AHMG.
That's my 0.02 ISK...
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
2750
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Posted - 2014.04.19 22:16:00 -
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I know a guy who swears by Amarr heavy; I think it's the stamina pool.
Also a third low slot for better biotics.
Minmatar has natural speed, though, so maybe that'll be what swings it for you?
In the end, from what I understand they're all decent options except for Caldari.
ak.0 4 LYFE
I am the Lorhak. I speak for the trees.
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
2977
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Posted - 2014.04.19 22:27:00 -
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Minmatar sentinel is 6.7 sprint speed with one complex, 7.44 with two
As for gallente vs minmatar...yes the gallente has an armor repair bonus, but the faster shield recharge, and more shields on the minmatar is better suited for speed as the gallente will be good in the first encounter, but get screwed over in the second.
The thing is, the minmatar doesn't have the option to completely speed tank. If you do that, you're wasting 550 armor that would be more use to you if you could repair it back.
However, minmatar regens stamina like CRAZY, so while you might not move faster than a gallente with 3 sprint mods, you can recharge your stamina faster and sprint whenever you want instead of having to walk around slowly aiting for it to recharge.
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Now for the HMG
You're looking at a weapon that practically immobilizes you when you fire. Because you can't sprint and fire your movement speed is what you're relying on, and the minmatar again wins in this category.
However, going up against other HMGs will be difficult, as the winner of an HMG duel is who fires first, who gets the most headshots, who can deal the most damage, and who has the most health.
Pretty much what that means is that the minmatar suit CANNOT go face to face with other heavies and survive easily. UNLESS you use the burst HMG.
Why the burst? Well unlike the standard one, you can deal an insane amount of DPS with one burst (we're talking enough to instantly kill std or advanced suits, or a proto if you can land a headshot).That's not the main benefit though...
The burst HMG allows you to move around while you're fighting. Burst, sprint jump, burst, hide around corner, pop out, burst, run away...
It's very similar to a shotgun because of this, and works well as a counter against scouts too. However, keep in mind that the burst is only good in 1v1 matchups. Unless you are really good with it, taking on more than one enemy will be suicide. As long as you stick to engaging one enemy at a time, the burst will do all the work for you, and absolutely melt other heavies that you will no doubt have trouble with.
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Rusty Shallows
1577
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Posted - 2014.04.19 22:28:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:snip
You're still a big blip on everyone's TacNet, so you have to be more aware of positioning. That's why the AHMG, to engage from safer distances. Damage Mods because it's a AHMG.
That's my 0.02 ISK...
Holy Kittens Batman that's clever. Making a fast heavy intending to run away to influence engagement distances. Normally I'd dismiss it because of the Assault HMG but you even have that covered. Thanks Rynoceros, I leaned something new and interesting today. 
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Tectonic Fusion
1505
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Posted - 2014.04.19 22:32:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Minmatar sentinel is 6.7 sprint speed with one complex, 7.44 with two
As for gallente vs minmatar...yes the gallente has an armor repair bonus, but the faster shield recharge, and more shields on the minmatar is better suited for speed as the gallente will be good in the first encounter, but get screwed over in the second.
The thing is, the minmatar doesn't have the option to completely speed tank. If you do that, you're wasting 550 armor that would be more use to you if you could repair it back.
However, minmatar regens stamina like CRAZY, so while you might not move faster than a gallente with 3 sprint mods, you can recharge your stamina faster and sprint whenever you want instead of having to walk around slowly aiting for it to recharge.
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Now for the HMG
You're looking at a weapon that practically immobilizes you when you fire. Because you can't sprint and fire your movement speed is what you're relying on, and the minmatar again wins in this category.
However, going up against other HMGs will be difficult, as the winner of an HMG duel is who fires first, who gets the most headshots, who can deal the most damage, and who has the most health.
Pretty much what that means is that the minmatar suit CANNOT go face to face with other heavies and survive easily. UNLESS you use the burst HMG.
Why the burst? Well unlike the standard one, you can deal an insane amount of DPS with one burst (we're talking enough to instantly kill std or advanced suits, or a proto if you can land a headshot).That's not the main benefit though...
The burst HMG allows you to move around while you're fighting. Burst, sprint jump, burst, hide around corner, pop out, burst, run away...
It's very similar to a shotgun because of this, and works well as a counter against scouts too. However, keep in mind that the burst is only good in 1v1 matchups. Unless you are really good with it, taking on more than one enemy will be suicide. As long as you stick to engaging one enemy at a time, the burst will do all the work for you, and absolutely melt other heavies that you will no doubt have trouble with.
Agreed! +1
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zDemoncake
Horizons' Edge
114
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Posted - 2014.04.19 22:32:00 -
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There was a forum post about a speed tank militia fit
It was:
MLT Min heavy frame
Complex Shield Extender
Complex Kin Cat
MH-82
Choice of side arm & grenade
I believe it has a sprint speed of about 6.95 or 7.05,
The cost of the suit is about 11k for 1050ish EHP
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My soul, your beats!
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RA Drahcir
Inner.Hell
356
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Posted - 2014.04.19 22:35:00 -
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Sentinel gk.0 is your best bet, I usually run it with 2 kin cats and 2 armor reps. Definitely a hit and run heavy...it is faster than my Amar Assault. |
Jebus McKing
Sinister Souls
349
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Posted - 2014.04.19 22:44:00 -
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The only proper way to speed tank a HMG wielding heavy is to go Basic Minmatar Heavy!
It has a movement speed of 4.20m/s! And with 2x complex kin cats the sprint speed will be 7.71m/s!
Minmatar Sentinel only has a movement speed of 4.05m/s.
I used the following fitting this week and capped out with it in 2 days averaging a kdr of ~3-4. It is more of a HMG wielding assault suit and at first the missing armor repair seems to be not what you wanted, but I can assure you it is damn effective if you play it smart.
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ADV Basic Minmatar Heavy
2x complex precision enhancers
2x complex kin cats
STD HMG
STD Magsec
M1 Locus Grenade
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Have fun.
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KING CHECKMATE
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
5131
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Posted - 2014.04.19 22:46:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Minmatar sentinel is 6.7 sprint speed with one complex, 7.44 with two
As for gallente vs minmatar...yes the gallente has an armor repair bonus, but the faster shield recharge, and more shields on the minmatar is better suited for speed as the gallente will be good in the first encounter, but get screwed over in the second.
The thing is, the minmatar doesn't have the option to completely speed tank. If you do that, you're wasting 550 armor that would be more use to you if you could repair it back.
However, minmatar regens stamina like CRAZY, so while you might not move faster than a gallente with 3 sprint mods, you can recharge your stamina faster and sprint whenever you want instead of having to walk around slowly aiting for it to recharge.
________________________________________________
Now for the HMG
You're looking at a weapon that practically immobilizes you when you fire. Because you can't sprint and fire your movement speed is what you're relying on, and the minmatar again wins in this category.
However, going up against other HMGs will be difficult, as the winner of an HMG duel is who fires first, who gets the most headshots, who can deal the most damage, and who has the most health.
Pretty much what that means is that the minmatar suit CANNOT go face to face with other heavies and survive easily. UNLESS you use the burst HMG.
Why the burst? Well unlike the standard one, you can deal an insane amount of DPS with one burst (we're talking enough to instantly kill std or advanced suits, or a proto if you can land a headshot).That's not the main benefit though...
The burst HMG allows you to move around while you're fighting. Burst, sprint jump, burst, hide around corner, pop out, burst, run away...
It's very similar to a shotgun because of this, and works well as a counter against scouts too. However, keep in mind that the burst is only good in 1v1 matchups. Unless you are really good with it, taking on more than one enemy will be suicide. As long as you stick to engaging one enemy at a time, the burst will do all the work for you, and absolutely melt other heavies that you will no doubt have trouble with.
Funny. The Burst HMG is the one i was focusing my eye on.
Goes Perfectly with my style and i prefer the ''non spray and pray'' ways of it.Now , to be quite honest i thought the Gallente Sentinel was better for my style, but you ARE convincing me that the Min is better for this purpose.
Now after reading all posts of fellow community members there is something the Gallente has, that is Armor rep. Now i know a Min Heavy with 2 Kin Cats is the bomb, but it also has quite some Armor on it, and i have no means of repairing it unless im running in a squad with someone with repair nanos or Repair tool. In the case i fight another heavy and with some skill WIN (with my Burst HMG) i have no way of repairing my armor, leaving me with some pitiful Shields to fight for the rest of that clone's lifetime...So i think the gallente while it cannot compete with the Min stamina regen the Armor rep gives me the change of having FULL HP at some point, thing that the Min sentinel does not... am i missing something.. ?
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EverNub
Da Short Buss
RISE of LEGION
47
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Posted - 2014.04.19 22:56:00 -
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Ya I run my AV Minmitar Commando with a Complex KinCat and its pretty quick, id have to look up the actual speed but it moves for a commando suit lol. Really Fun and it throws people off when i come screaming past chasing down a tank or lav with my swarms hahah
What is the use of fighting if you haven't got a tolerable planet to fight over?
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yep derrith again
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
167
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Posted - 2014.04.19 22:57:00 -
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I'd go amarrican with it. I believe they get the highest raw stamina and health. Add to the fact that you can tank an extender on it makes it even more beast.
My build on a proto AK.0
2 complex kin cats
1 complex repair
1 complex extender or precision enhancer
1 complex damage mod or precision enhancer
1 HMG, whatever floats your boat TBH
1 flux nade, I always run flux though, so don't take my word on it
advanced build, ditch the extender IMO.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4813
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Posted - 2014.04.19 23:00:00 -
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Throwing kin cats on a sentinel won't make it any less slow for 75% of your movement.
They're a waste of slot space on most suits.
I'm from the weird side of the internet
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
2376
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Posted - 2014.04.19 23:00:00 -
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Matar Sent. |
KING CHECKMATE
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
5131
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Posted - 2014.04.19 23:11:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Matar Sent.
But. doesnt the Min have more armor than Shields? how do i repair that armor ? D:
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
2982
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Posted - 2014.04.19 23:21:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote: am i missing something.. ?
Someone posted above about the basic heavy frame being better for speed tanking...Since the minmatar skills are **** anyways you don't even have to skill into minmatar sentinel to try it out, AND it's faster (I'm actually going to make a video about this, because I didn't even know about it lol)
The gallente sentinel actually has some decent bonuses though (dual armor resistances)
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I usually run one sprint mod and one armor repair in my lows. While you can get a much higher armor repair on the gallene, you're losing out on speed.
A gallente with 1 sprint mod is 6.3 or 6.4 sprint. This is not fast enough, so you'll need at least 2 to compare to the minmatar. Now you're running at about 6.7 or 6.8 (I could be wrong here).
At advanced you have one more low slot, allowing you to have 7.25 armor repair vs 6.25 armor repair on the minmatar sentinel.
EHP is about 1200 on gallente suit, 1050 on minmatar. So at advanced the gallente is slightly better in terms of speed and armor, but the minmatar is better at bringing back your shield buffer, increasing the effectiveness of the shields itself (two high slots can give you 550 shield with 30 shield regen), and moving around. You could even put damage mods in those two high slots but I wouldn't recommend it with the burst
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If I were you I'd choose based on how much sp you're going to be putting into it.
At proto the gallente sentinel has a HUGE advantage over the minmatar. You can speed OR armor tank the thing, you get really good bonuses, and you can stack armor repairs and sprint mods for a devastating speed heavy.
Proto minmatar doesn't really give you anything. You get a high slot for better shields (or a damage mod on top of your shield modules), but you're still limited to two low slots.
Here's a video of the minmatar heavy in action (the second half has burst HMG footage)
https://youtu.be/w5FonW5CH7E
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
2377
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Posted - 2014.04.19 23:23:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Joel II X wrote:Matar Sent. But. doesnt the Min have more armor than Shields? how do i repair that armor ? D:
You're looking to speed tank, not repair, right? |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
3733
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Posted - 2014.04.19 23:29:00 -
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I haven't really put all of my Heavies through the ropes, but the Amarr I think might be my favorite for offensive attacks because of the previously mentioned Stamina Regen.
It still has Dual High Slots and 3 Lows to load with Biotics (or Armor if you ever wanna brick the damn thing.)
Those passive reps on the Gallente are moot. There are Logiwhores everywhere and they're more than willing to backpack a brutha for a while.
I GÖú Kittens.
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KING CHECKMATE
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
5132
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Posted - 2014.04.19 23:29:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote: am i missing something.. ? Someone posted above about the basic heavy frame being better for speed tanking...Since the minmatar skills are **** anyways you don't even have to skill into minmatar sentinel to try it out, AND it's faster (I'm actually going to make a video about this, because I didn't even know about it lol) The gallente sentinel actually has some decent bonuses though (dual armor resistances) ______________________________________________ I usually run one sprint mod and one armor repair in my lows. While you can get a much higher armor repair on the gallene, you're losing out on speed. A gallente with 1 sprint mod is 6.3 or 6.4 sprint. This is not fast enough, so you'll need at least 2 to compare to the minmatar. Now you're running at about 6.7 or 6.8 (I could be wrong here). At advanced you have one more low slot, allowing you to have 7.25 armor repair vs 6.25 armor repair on the minmatar sentinel. EHP is about 1200 on gallente suit, 1050 on minmatar. So at advanced the gallente is slightly better in terms of speed and armor, but the minmatar is better at bringing back your shield buffer, increasing the effectiveness of the shields itself (two high slots can give you 550 shield with 30 shield regen), and moving around. You could even put damage mods in those two high slots but I wouldn't recommend it with the burst _____________________________________________ If I were you I'd choose based on how much sp you're going to be putting into it. At proto the gallente sentinel has a HUGE advantage over the minmatar. You can speed OR armor tank the thing, you get really good bonuses, and you can stack armor repairs and sprint mods for a devastating speed heavy. Proto minmatar doesn't really give you anything. You get a high slot for better shields (or a damage mod on top of your shield modules), but you're still limited to two low slots. Here's a video of the minmatar heavy in action (the second half has burst HMG footage) https://youtu.be/w5FonW5CH7E____________________________________________ My preference is the Minmatar only because of the shields. I've been playing heavy for a long time now and relying on your armor is not very effective from my experience. I do prefer armor over shields, but when it comes to speed, you want as much ehp as possible before you engage the next enemy, and the ability to get it back fast. While the gallente is more effective, it has a longer downtime between enemy encounters.
Very useful Shays. Thank you.
@ Joel II : Well yeah i want speed tank MORE than HP repair.But i also want a minimal HP repair at least.
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The Eristic
Sad Panda Solutions
418
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Posted - 2014.04.19 23:34:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Joel II X wrote:Matar Sent. But. doesnt the Min have more armor than Shields? how do i repair that armor ? D:
Marginally. 390/425 base before Upgrades, iIrc. Pop on an Extender or two and it's pretty much even, depending on which tier you use. Keep in mind that Gal's built-in rep is only 1 hp/s with 525 base armor before Armor Upgrades. It's gonna take a lonnnnnnnnnnnng time for that be of much use unless you're running proto and throwing on complex reppers. You pretty much need a logi no matter what.
Min also has .2 m/s higher base movement speed, which is surprisingly useful when you slow down to engage and strafe. |
KING CHECKMATE
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
5132
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Posted - 2014.04.19 23:37:00 -
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The Eristic wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Joel II X wrote:Matar Sent. But. doesnt the Min have more armor than Shields? how do i repair that armor ? D: Marginally. 390/425 base before Upgrades, iIrc. Pop on an Extender or two and it's pretty much even, depending on which tier you use. Keep in mind that Gal's built-in rep is only 1 hp/s with 525 base armor before Armor Upgrades. It's gonna take a lonnnnnnnnnnnng time for that be of much use unless you're running proto and throwing on complex reppers. You pretty much need a logi no matter what. Min also has .2 m/s higher base movement speed, which is surprisingly useful when you slow down to engage and strafe.
Hmm true true.
7.25 Armor rep on the Gal heavy ( i would use 3 kin cats and 1 Cs Armor rep) is good , but dont know if good enough....
MAkes me wonder what it feels like to have no armor rep at all thou...
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Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
171
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Posted - 2014.04.19 23:39:00 -
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On my previous statement about use whatever hmg is comfy. I'm going to redact that. in the distance maps, try the assault, they are amazing.
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Patrick57
7099
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Posted - 2014.04.19 23:41:00 -
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Sentinel gk.0
Three Complex Kin Cats
One Complex Cardiac Regulator
Sprints at somewhere around 7.3 meters per second. Couple it with a Burst HMG and it's amazing.
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m twiggz
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
568
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Posted - 2014.04.19 23:42:00 -
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Played against a Minmatar Sentinal that ran almost as fast as my Caldari Scout last night. Almost as fast and more than twice the HP. It was scary.
I have ~8.0 sprint speed. He must have had ~7.5 or more. |
Sad Heavy
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
40
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Posted - 2014.04.20 00:55:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Today I learned that Minmatar Sentinels can strafe.
I was surprised and quite dead. Nausea1987 is the best matar heavy I've seen in a advance suit.
Yes, he is quite arguably the best.
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Posted - 2014.04.20 01:30:00 -
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Because of the low slots, gk.0 is the best for speed tanking, in my opinion. Try three kin cats and one cardiac, all complex, and you'll sprint over 7.5 with very good stamina and stamina regen. Tons of fun, but you have to stay near a Logi to rep you. |
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Posted - 2014.04.20 01:45:00 -
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Speed tank as far as this is concerned isnt so much about dodging but rather maintaining positional advantage (or as best as you can) people definatly dont expect a heavy to run around at 7m/s
The common arpoch to countering a heavy is to outmanuver it, and when you have that much spoeed they oftin make mistakes by underestimating the amount of ground you can cover while they make their set up manuvers.
its best to act slow while in LOS, then when they lose LOS to you use your speed to set them off guard, try to force them to overcommit to the point where they move too far out of their cover expecting you to be stuck outside of range and then charge in and watch them panic.
against other heavys you will be able to adopt alot of the tactics lighter suits use against heavys, manuvering, positioning, and playiing range games to edge out more dps and better strafe speeds while maintaining your own ability to rush back into cover or retreat to a better position.
in closed in tight spots the speed doesnt really come in handy but in open ground like line harvest and manus peak (fracture road as well) you can really make use of that extra speed to throw a wrench into peoples plans.
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Posted - 2014.04.20 03:22:00 -
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Yes!
All this info is quite good. I only wish i could.like...have both Min and Gal sentinels and see which one is better for my purpose...
Oh wait, protofits...I'll be back in some mins.
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Posted - 2014.04.20 03:59:00 -
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2 kin cats and 2 armor reps on a gal sentinel puts you at a sprint speed of 7.07m/s and passive reps of 13.5hp/s if you have your skills up. This is plenty for me, plus the wildcard of armor damage resistance to projectiles and hybrid rail weaponry. |
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Posted - 2014.04.20 04:02:00 -
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PS movement speed isn't that big of a factor because if you aren't sprinting you are shooting or catching you're breath...you will still out strafe complex armor plate tanked heavies anyway. |
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Posted - 2014.04.20 04:12:00 -
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I think you may be a BOLD CAP freak as well |
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Posted - 2014.04.20 04:45:00 -
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waistr wrote:I think you may be a BOLD CAP freak as well
Im just blind.
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:50:00 -
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Consider the Caldari sentinel. It doesn't need any plates to slow it down, has incredible shield regen and when you get bored of HMG it also makes a crazy good AV forge suit because of the insane amount of high slots. It sounds like you want to run solo so it's really that or Minmatar. The others are best when combined with logi. |
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:53:00 -
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Matar sentinel with M/kb
Dat side to side >_<
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Posted - 2014.04.21 00:33:00 -
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Since my focus is on SPEED. i think that even if the Gal Sentinel could achieve higher speed levels at proto level PLUS have Armor rep, the 40 stamina regen of the Minmatar is the perk i need.
So Min with 2 cx Kin cats is the way to go.
At 7.70 speed , 4.2 movement speed and 40 stamina regen makes moving around way too easy...
Thanks for the help everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XD
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Posted - 2014.04.21 01:34:00 -
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Gal sent....4 complex kin kats...for sprint of at least 7.81
Real heavies use lasers
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Posted - 2014.04.21 01:39:00 -
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Shadow Archeus wrote:Gal sent....4 complex kin kats...for sprint of at least 7.81
Yeah,but how much stamina regen does that leave me at?Whats the point of running +0.10 sprt speed with -0.4 Movements speed and -25 stamina regen?
Plus only 2 armor rep per sec for an Armor tanker..
thats the problem here......
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Posted - 2014.04.21 01:41:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:**** the haters.
Speed tanking Heavies is gold for a former worthy Scout.
Assault HMG
2 Complex KinCatz
1 Enhanced Cardiac Regulator
Armor Reps in remaining Slots
Damage Mods in the High(s)
Sidearm & Grenade of choice (SMG+Flux, here)
Scouts are the only ones I've seen outrun the fitting, but only by a narrow margin on the bricked ones.
You're still a big blip on everyone's TacNet, so you have to be more aware of positioning. That's why the AHMG, to engage from safer distances. Damage Mods because it's a AHMG.
That's my 0.02 ISK...
Gonna have to give that fit a shot. It looks fun.
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Posted - 2014.04.21 07:54:00 -
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m twiggz wrote:Played against a Minmatar Sentinal that ran almost as fast as my Caldari Scout last night. Almost as fast and more than twice the HP. It was scary.
I have ~8.0 sprint speed. He must have had ~7.5 or more.
I have seen a heavy out-run my scout (and our whole team) - was well past any speed I've been able to achieve with kincats and heavies.
Note: Likely not Sentinel, since the base frames are faster...
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:26:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Im a speed freak.
I cannot live with a SLOW character.
Even pre 1.8 where i ran an Amarr Assault i had the most stupid of fits using my 3 low slots of my Ak.0 for 2 Cx Prof Dampeners and a Complex Kin Cat. (yes the Horror, A Shield Tanked Ak.0 ; around 450 shields at the time).
I suffered heavily in the times i used a Sentinel ( For the FG / AV purposes ) because of the same.
Now, I like being agile but i ALSO LOVE HIGH ROF weapons
My Gk.0 scout suit is already maxed out, i have all the passives i need at Lv.5 and the weapons i use on it too: SMG, ACR, CR , AR, MD & SCR/ASCR.
Im missing just ONE High RoF weapon, the HMG.
The HMG is a BEAUTIFUL weapon, sadly ( and thankful in the name of balance) My Gk.0 Scout cannot use it.
Now i cannot run in anything that runs below 7 at Sprint speed i JUST CANT so i come here to the Forums to ask for some advice, see what people think i should use for a SPEED TANKED SENTINEL.
Im thinking the best 2 options are the Minmatar and the Gallente Sentinels The minmatar because of the natural Speed advantage and the Gallente because of the NATURAL HP repair and high amount of LOW slots.
Im looking for a sprt SPEED AT LEAST over 6.5 (best would be 7) and SOME basic level of armor repair.The Armor repair DOES NOT NEED To be very impressive, but at least 1 or 2...Speed is of more importance.
The idea is to function as a Big fat scout,running behind enemies , shooting at them then ''hiding'' while i recover some HP, rinse and repeat.
Any opinions for this wannabe heavy?
You're asking for a hybrid speed/stealth/attack heavy? Such a combination does not really exist. You can get one of any three, possibly two of them with lesser preferences, but all 3 is just nonsense.
You'll need at least 2 dampeners for casual "hiding" and 3 catalyzers or so to "Run", also one low slot for a repair or energized armor.
That's about 6 slots predetermined... if you can even fit that many slots.
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Posted - 2014.04.21 10:46:00 -
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ive been speed heavyn since 1.4 and usen burst since then too . burst is best whn there are lots of non heavys just remember you have to be pin point with it . boundless for anything eles . |
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Posted - 2014.04.21 10:48:00 -
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twigg i think that was me btw lol was a few weeks ago in a pub . |
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Posted - 2014.04.21 10:52:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Shadow Archeus wrote:Gal sent....4 complex kin kats...for sprint of at least 7.81 Yeah,but how much stamina regen does that leave me at?Whats the point of running +0.10 sprt speed with -0.4 Movements speed and -25 stamina regen? Plus only 2 armor rep per sec for an Armor tanker.. thats the problem here......
gal cant get that high . stack pen . its 7.1 i think . lower base speed its a waste to tell ya |
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:34:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Im a speed freak.
I cannot live with a SLOW character.
Even pre 1.8 where i ran an Amarr Assault i had the most stupid of fits using my 3 low slots of my Ak.0 for 2 Cx Prof Dampeners and a Complex Kin Cat. (yes the Horror, A Shield Tanked Ak.0 ; around 450 shields at the time).
I suffered heavily in the times i used a Sentinel ( For the FG / AV purposes ) because of the same.
Now, I like being agile but i ALSO LOVE HIGH ROF weapons
My Gk.0 scout suit is already maxed out, i have all the passives i need at Lv.5 and the weapons i use on it too: SMG, ACR, CR , AR, MD & SCR/ASCR.
Im missing just ONE High RoF weapon, the HMG.
The HMG is a BEAUTIFUL weapon, sadly ( and thankful in the name of balance) My Gk.0 Scout cannot use it.
Now i cannot run in anything that runs below 7 at Sprint speed i JUST CANT so i come here to the Forums to ask for some advice, see what people think i should use for a SPEED TANKED SENTINEL.
Im thinking the best 2 options are the Minmatar and the Gallente Sentinels The minmatar because of the natural Speed advantage and the Gallente because of the NATURAL HP repair and high amount of LOW slots.
Im looking for a sprt SPEED AT LEAST over 6.5 (best would be 7) and SOME basic level of armor repair.The Armor repair DOES NOT NEED To be very impressive, but at least 1 or 2...Speed is of more importance.
The idea is to function as a Big fat scout,running behind enemies , shooting at them then ''hiding'' while i recover some HP, rinse and repeat.
Any opinions for this wannabe heavy? You're asking for a hybrid speed/stealth/attack heavy? Such a combination does not really exist. You can get one of any three, possibly two of them with lesser preferences, but all 3 is just nonsense. You'll need at least 2 dampeners for casual "hiding" and 3 catalyzers or so to "Run", also one low slot for a repair or energized armor. That's about 6 slots predetermined... if you can even fit that many slots.
no, nonono./i never mentioned Dampeing. I just wanted to MOVE fast and Attack fast.
As it is my default heavy suit is
M/1 series Heavy frame
2 Complex Kin Kats
2 Comples Precisio Enhancers
Heavy MG
SMG
Go to town with 7.70 sprt speed. LULS. This crappy fit can take out proto med/scouts with relative ease, and the 4.2 movement speed has helped while killing OTHER heavies with EHP values of Over 1500HP , considering i run this heavy with only Level 5 armor and shield skills and no HP modules...well. It does pretty decent.
28-7 / 30-8 / 15-4 / 33-9 etc...
(Some people have told me to SHIELD tank instead of SPEED tank it, but i can do fine with 900HP. i usually run a 300HP scout...)
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Posted - 2014.04.23 22:11:00 -
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Update: Gallente Sentinel
3 Complex Kinetic Catalyzers
1 Enhanced Cardiac Regulator
7.85 Sprint
4.25 Movement
~475/675 Shields/Armor
I outrun everybody. Scouts without any Plates are the only ones to get by me.
When I get my aim dialed back in, you will hear "Nerf KinCatz on Heavies" on these forums.
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Posted - 2014.04.23 22:20:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Update: Gallente Sentinel
3 Complex Kinetic Catalyzers
1 Enhanced Cardiac Regulator
7.85 Sprint
4.25 Movement
~475/675 Shields/Armor
I outrun everybody. Scouts without any Plates are the only ones to get by me.
When I get my aim dialed back in, you will hear "Nerf KinCatz on Heavies" on these forums.
You fit is an optimal speed tanked Heavy.
But, mine has the advantage that it does not need to be Proto to run at 7.7 ;)
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Posted - 2014.04.23 22:35:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Update: Gallente Sentinel
3 Complex Kinetic Catalyzers
1 Enhanced Cardiac Regulator
7.85 Sprint
4.25 Movement
~475/675 Shields/Armor
I outrun everybody. Scouts without any Plates are the only ones to get by me.
When I get my aim dialed back in, you will hear "Nerf KinCatz on Heavies" on these forums. You fit is an optimal speed tanked Heavy. But, mine has the advantage that it does not need to be Proto to run at 7.7 ;)
Adding Mintinel to my roadmap.
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Posted - 2014.04.23 23:17:00 -
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Join the CannonBalls.
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HMG classic.
Run and Gank, Strafe run and Gank.
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Posted - 2014.04.24 17:40:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Today I learned that Minmatar Sentinels can strafe.
I was surprised and quite dead.
I would say that was probably me, only I use a Minmatar Basic Heavy Frame M/1 .... no bonuses and still super deadly. I either run 2 complex dmg mods and 2 comp ferroscales OR 2 comp shield extenders and 2 comp kin cats (this fit hits 7.71 m/s).
Out-dancing shotgun scouts whilst drilling them with the HMG is so much fun I don't use much else nowadays.
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Posted - 2014.04.24 17:50:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Minmatar sentinel is 6.7 sprint speed with one complex, 7.44 with two
As for gallente vs minmatar...yes the gallente has an armor repair bonus, but the faster shield recharge, and more shields on the minmatar is better suited for speed as the gallente will be good in the first encounter, but get screwed over in the second.
The thing is, the minmatar doesn't have the option to completely speed tank. If you do that, you're wasting 550 armor that would be more use to you if you could repair it back.
However, minmatar regens stamina like CRAZY, so while you might not move faster than a gallente with 3 sprint mods, you can recharge your stamina faster and sprint whenever you want instead of having to walk around slowly aiting for it to recharge.
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Now for the HMG
You're looking at a weapon that practically immobilizes you when you fire. Because you can't sprint and fire your movement speed is what you're relying on, and the minmatar again wins in this category.
However, going up against other HMGs will be difficult, as the winner of an HMG duel is who fires first, who gets the most headshots, who can deal the most damage, and who has the most health.
Pretty much what that means is that the minmatar suit CANNOT go face to face with other heavies and survive easily. UNLESS you use the burst HMG.
Why the burst? Well unlike the standard one, you can deal an insane amount of DPS with one burst (we're talking enough to instantly kill std or advanced suits, or a proto if you can land a headshot).That's not the main benefit though...
The burst HMG allows you to move around while you're fighting. Burst, sprint jump, burst, hide around corner, pop out, burst, run away...
It's very similar to a shotgun because of this, and works well as a counter against scouts too. However, keep in mind that the burst is only good in 1v1 matchups. Unless you are really good with it, taking on more than one enemy will be suicide. As long as you stick to engaging one enemy at a time, the burst will do all the work for you, and absolutely melt other heavies that you will no doubt have trouble with.
I was warned about the Burst HMG in PC due to lag, but I used it anyway. I got absolutely destroyed by everyone I saw. It seems like there is a bit of a delay in the weapon firing or something. Then when it does fire you've shot your load somewhere other than the target.
But in pubs, the burst HMG is amazing.
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Posted - 2014.04.24 17:52:00 -
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Gal Heavy - Low slots
Min Heavy - gone in 60 seconds :) |
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