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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10435	Posted - 2014.04.15 21:56:00 - [1] - Quote [Ion pistol] Ion pistol problem: Despite having less range than all other pistols, it also has less damage per second (DPS); its one redeeming quality is the charge shot, which in most cases is functionally useless. By useless I mean this: charge shot generally does not enough to kill (350-385 damage), yet the overheat paralyzes the user. This means after your charge shot fails to kill the target, you're a sitting duck waiting to be killed. In addition to the charge shot being such a liability, its hard to even land the charge shot because of dispersion and the frantic mobile nature of the close range battle (with low range, close range is the only option for the ion pistol). If someone is standing still enough to reliably hit with an ion charge shot, you would be better off with using the scrambler pistol to headshot them (SCP headshot bonus > IOP charge shot); you'll kill them just as fast, and you won't have to deal with overheat (there's also the more range, and more DPS). There is also the CPU/PG costs at standard Scrambler pistol uses: 11 / 2 Ion pistol uses: STD: 20 / 2 Something is wrong with this. There is no reason why the standard ion pistol should cost BOTH more PG and more CPU than the scrambler one, especially considering Amarr technology tends to me more fitting-intensive. There is no balance or lore justification for this. Ion pistol solution: The ion pistol should not have overheat, but instead the charge shot should consume all rounds currently left in the magazine. This is very similar to overheat, since it means you have to stop shooting for a while (to reload instead of for cooldown), but unlike overheat, simply having to reload allows you to switch weapons, or to run away. Increase magazine size. One of the few advantages the ion pistol has over the scrambler pistol is the magazine size, but the scrambler pistol operation skill maxed out makes the magazine of the scrambler pistol exceed that of the ion pistol. Increase the magazine size of the ion pistol to 18. The scrambler pistol shouldn't have more range, more DPS, with a bigger magazine on top of it. As for the the CPU/PG thing, make the standard ion pistol cost 1 less PG to fit, or make the scrambler pistol take 1 more PG to fit. The scrambler pistol uses --------- [Flaylock pistol] Flaylock problem: Ideally, flaylock pistols at all tiers should do enough direct and splash damage per magazine to be good finisher weapons once you have done a good deal of damage with your primary. What holds the flaylock pistol back is the splash radius. The DPS of the flaylock is extremely low compared to other pistols, which is ok when you consider that splash weapons don't require great aim, if you want a precision weapon then you're better off with the bolt pistol or the scrambler pistol (more DPS, no travel time). With the extremely low DPS and the low magazine, the advantage of the flaylock pistol is that it does splash damage, but the radius is too low to make the splash damage really shine. The only good flaylock pistol is the prototype one, because it has the splash radius needed to be effective; its usefulness still very much pales in comparison to other pistols. After testing the core flaylock pistol, a full magazine of splash damage against an already damaged target is still unreliable. Also, right now even with the core flaylock pistol its pretty inconsistent whether or not you can finish off someone since 3 rounds is unforgiving, if you miss one splash shot (especially common with moving enemies) you won't do enough damage to kill the target. Flaylock pistol solution: Standardize the prototype tier splash radius throughout all tiers to make sure all flaylock pistols of the same variant (base variant, or breach) have enough splash damage to reliably do damage. Increase magazine size by 1 for all flaylock pistols to make the flaylock pistol able to deal enough damage per magazine to be a reliable finisher weapon against damaged light and medium frames. Reduce splash damage a bit to accompany the increased magazine size. Give the Minmatar assault a second bonus towards increasing rounds (not magazine size) carried for explosive light weapons and sidearms. Not really necessary, but all other explosive weapons really use up ammo fast, and the mass driver and flaylock pistol are both Minmatar yet do not benefit from the assault bonus. Also, I looked at the 1.3 dev blog about the flaylock pistol nerf, and I found this insulting: *"We'll be closely watching your feedback on these changes as well as monitoring the data to see how they play out live after 1.3 rolls out."* This is so painfully a lie, after 5 builds of the general consensus being that flaylock pistol being broken, CCP has completely ignored the feedback. They buffed the mass driver in 1.8, but not he flaylock despite it being far more underpowered. Continued below. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10435	Posted - 2014.04.15 21:58:00 - [2] - Quote [Scrambler pistol] Scrambler pistol problem: This is basically because of this friend I talk to in our Dust Skype group that is ALWAYS constantly whining about he scrambler pistol rate of fire nerf, it killed the unique feel of the scrambler pistol for him. He isn't unreasonable, he would settle for a different nerf. He would accept an equivalent damage nerf instead of a rate of fire nerf, just anything but the rate of fire. Somehow the scrambler pistol's feel (as a result of the rate of fire) made it his favorite gun in the game, and while he recognizes the scrambler pistol is still likely the best in the game, it is no longer the weapon he fell in love with. I also have an issue, a less sentimental one; the scrambler pistol does not benefit from the Amarr assault bonus.The Amarr assault bonus only covers 2 weapons, that is way too niche, and I think racial assault bonuses should help as many racial weapons as possible. Solution: [] Give the Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt* Gû¦Gû+
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12340	Posted - 2014.04.15 22:17:00 - [3] - Quote ion pistol whiner reporting in buff ion pistol kthx You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1260	Posted - 2014.04.15 22:23:00 - [4] - Quote Scrambler pistol would be worst with this. *Assassination is my thing.*
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2580	Posted - 2014.04.15 22:25:00 - [5] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Scrambler pistol would be worst with this. That would be better than it currently is... And would behave more like an Amarrian weapon. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2512	Posted - 2014.04.15 22:26:00 - [6] - Quote Lol I get so many kills with the ion pistol stop crying! Just recently I charged it and killed BL4CKST4R with it, in fact every time I charge shot it that scrub player always dies (he is always in my matches for some reason) For the Federation!
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2580	Posted - 2014.04.15 23:36:00 - [7] - Quote I don't need much maaan... Just a little bump. Just 1 more... Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 94	Posted - 2014.04.16 01:04:00 - [8] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Lol I get so many kills with the ion pistol stop crying! Just recently I charged it and killed BL4CKST4R with it, in fact every time I charge shot it that scrub player always dies (he is always in my matches for some reason) Video or it didn't happen. Recruiter link here: https://dust514.com/recruit/FepTs1/ Try and steal my BPOs. I dare ya. AMARRIAN4LYFE
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2174	Posted - 2014.04.16 02:55:00 - [9] - Quote +1's all around. I'd rather have an OH on my pistol than the ROF nerf. Shape without form, shade without colour, Paralysed force, gesture without motion;
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10445	Posted - 2014.04.18 08:41:00 - [10] - Quote I want the flaylock to be a weapon worth having exist in Dust. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10458	Posted - 2014.04.20 00:17:00 - [11] - Quote What the ion pistol charge shot was a shotgun instead of just one shot? it would completely justify making it use up more than one round, and the shotgun spread would make it more reliable. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 2914	Posted - 2014.04.20 00:23:00 - [12] - Quote No on the pg increase for the ScP it would destroy most if not all of my fits. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Terry Webber Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 428	Posted - 2014.04.20 04:24:00 - [13] - Quote The ROF on the Scrambler Pistol does need to changed back to before it was nerfed in 1.8. I wouldn't mind it having a small damage nerf and the heat build-up feature either.
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 325	Posted - 2014.04.20 05:03:00 - [14] - Quote Scrambler Pistol should just have charge shot and heat build up feature just like a ***** mini scr rifle lol this is *** upside down logic hellooooooooooooooooo ccppppppppp Ion no heat ***** bs understand ? Ion just need a decent damage buff .
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10569	Posted - 2014.04.23 15:48:00 - [15] - Quote Buff the flaylock already! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 886	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:27:00 - [16] - Quote The Ion pistol and Scrambler pistols should have their mechanics reversed. The Ion should have a tremendous headshot multiplier (goes with the "Gallente high damage" theme) and a high rate of fire to make it truly deadly in CQC. It should never have a heat-build up mechanic, since Gallente players are not the players who manage heat in their daily play styles. The Scrambler pistol should have the charge/heat mechanic. It makes the most sense from an Amarr weapons point of view (tactical, high damage, single shot) as well as an Amarr player pov in that the Amarr merc is CONSTANTLY managing heat in his daily play style. Mixing the heat mechanic with a Gallente weapon never made any sense. I mean, it's nice to see that the AR has pretty heat build up, but it NEVER affects the weapon. Hell, even the biggest offender of burst damage--the Gallente shot gun--doesn't even have a heat mechanic to deal with. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7138	Posted - 2014.04.23 19:11:00 - [17] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: Scrambler pistol would be worst with this. That would be better than it currently is... And would behave more like an Amarrian weapon. ^ Along with adding weapons that benefit from the Amarr Assault's bonus. HAV > Infantry > AV < HAV [s]Text[/s] <------ That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2633	Posted - 2014.04.23 19:59:00 - [18] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: The Ion pistol and Scrambler pistols should have their mechanics reversed. The Ion should have a tremendous headshot multiplier (goes with the "Gallente high damage" theme) and a high rate of fire to make it truly deadly in CQC. It should never have a heat-build up mechanic, since Gallente players are not the players who manage heat in their daily play styles. The Scrambler pistol should have the charge/heat mechanic. It makes the most sense from an Amarr weapons point of view (tactical, high damage, single shot) as well as an Amarr player pov in that the Amarr merc is CONSTANTLY managing heat in his daily play style. Mixing the heat mechanic with a Gallente weapon never made any sense. I mean, it's nice to see that the AR has pretty heat build up, but it NEVER affects the weapon. Hell, even the biggest offender of burst damage--the Gallente shot gun--doesn't even have a heat mechanic to deal with. The ScP should not lose its headshot multiplier. It is what keeps it in the same "potential DPS" style of Amarrian Weapons. It has also been part of the weapon for two years, it written into the description/lore, and is one of the main reasons many people use the weapon. It can't be taken away now. It also doesn't make any sense that Gallente weapons shouldn't overheat when there are more Gallente weapons that overheat than there are Amarrian weapons that do. Large Blaster, Small Blaster, IoP, and Krin's AR [vs] Laser Rifle and Scrambler Rifle I just don't think its right to say that Gallente weapons should never overheat. I can halfway agree with the overheat. It is a decidedly Amarrian thing for weapons to overheat, but I don't know how you could have overheat and a small magazine size without severely gimping the weapon. I just don't thing something as small as a Pistol should overheat at all, tbh. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10638	Posted - 2014.04.26 18:02:00 - [19] - Quote I want to successfully flaylock Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 551	Posted - 2014.04.26 19:31:00 - [20] - Quote I like the ideas. Though, the ScP would be fine if they just reverted the changes they made to it in 1.8. It was one of the most balanced weapons in the game IMO. I know they changed it to make the ROF of the Ion Pistol to stand out, but the difference between the Ion pistol and the pre 1.8 ScP would still be enough. And besides, the ROF isn't the big thing with the Ion pistol. It's the charge shot and CQC focus that makes it what it is. KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: What the ion pistol charge shot was a shotgun instead of just one shot? it would completely justify making it use up more than one round, and the shotgun spread would make it more reliable. And this is how I always hoped it would be. It would really fit in with the CQC focus of it. We want cake and tea.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10659	Posted - 2014.04.26 23:18:00 - [21] - Quote Pew pew pew Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Cathryn Cyaer Immortal Guides 6	Posted - 2014.04.28 22:51:00 - [22] - Quote Probably the reason the don't want you to be able to switch weapons after the charge shot would be to prevent the Halo 'Newb Combo.' I'm not dissing you or anything, but I've had great luck with the Ion pistol and so far it's my favorite sidearm. In fact I don't like any of the other sidearms, especially the new SMG.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10845	Posted - 2014.05.19 17:36:00 - [23] - Quote /me hopes CCP Rattati saves the flaylock Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
TechMechMeds KLEENEX INC. 3398	Posted - 2014.05.19 18:16:00 - [24] - Quote I love the scp but getting 10 headshots with that thing in less than 3 seconds was insane. I don't have any issues with the ROF nerf, I just have to actually try now when I'm using it. Eve Legion FTW!
Llast 326 An Arkhos 3142	Posted - 2014.05.19 18:31:00 - [25] - Quote Avid flay lock user I would like to see it fixed. A number of useful suggestions have been made in the past. Moody once proposed fixing the tiering would make a world of difference. Essentially make the Advanced the Basic the Proto the Advanced and a Buffed version of the Proto the new Proto. This would place it in a competitive place with the other sidearms. KRRROOOOOOM
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10854	Posted - 2014.05.21 02:18:00 - [26] - Quote Bump Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 456	Posted - 2014.05.21 13:45:00 - [27] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: The Ion pistol and Scrambler pistols should have their mechanics reversed. The Ion should have a tremendous headshot multiplier (goes with the "Gallente high damage" theme) and a high rate of fire to make it truly deadly in CQC. It should never have a heat-build up mechanic, since Gallente players are not the players who manage heat in their daily play styles. The Scrambler pistol should have the charge/heat mechanic. It makes the most sense from an Amarr weapons point of view (tactical, high damage, single shot) as well as an Amarr player pov in that the Amarr merc is CONSTANTLY managing heat in his daily play style. Mixing the heat mechanic with a Gallente weapon never made any sense. I mean, it's nice to see that the AR has pretty heat build up, but it NEVER affects the weapon. Hell, even the biggest offender of burst damage--the Gallente shot gun--doesn't even have a heat mechanic to deal with. The headshot multiplier is Amarr as **. Amarr weapons are supposed to be harder to handle. However, I do agree that heat would fit the Scrambler Pistol. Why does the Ion Pistol need heat at all? Remove heat, keep the charge. If possible, implement the "drains magazine" idea, otherwise make it lock up as if it overheated. It's a Gallente weapon. Gallente love their comfort. Keep the high rate of fire, though. As someone who loved the Scrambler Pistol, I would gladly trade an RoF buff for a heat mechanic without charging. It would also help with the often ****** melee Scrambler Pistol fights.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11493	Posted - 2014.08.17 20:38:00 - [28] - Quote With Delta imminent, good idea to make this thread rise from the dead Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 83	Posted - 2014.08.17 20:43:00 - [29] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: Scrambler pistol would be worst with this. That would be better than it currently is... And would behave more like an Amarrian weapon. i dont get why the scrambler pistol is not exactly like the scr but mini....why does it 1 not have a charge shot 2 not have heat cost and over heat... ..i think they should give it a charge shot heat cost and remove the rof. it should be just like a mini scr no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 4033	Posted - 2014.08.17 20:57:00 - [30] - Quote All weapons should have a heat bar that jams the weapon when fired to fast or to long. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!



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