Truth!

Caldari favor tanking (shields), Amarr favor tanking (armor) over speed and agility. While Gallente favor speed and armor repair over tank and Minmatar favor speed and sheild rep over tank.

It's kinda like CCP writes things and tells us things and then implements the exact opposite. Leh sigh.

Gallente tanks are supposed to more agile than Caldari, and Caldari are supposed to be tougher nuts to crack than they are right now!
Even your vehicle dev diary from a while ago said that!

Caldari and Amarr are slow, tanky, and like to fight from range.
Gallente and Minmatar are fast, regenerative and like to destroy you from close-medium range.
^In general, there are exceptions










I demand you hotfix this tomorrow, or else the Cat Overlord will steal Wolfman's lamb.
And you do not want to see Wolfman without his honeyed lamb.

Heh.
MAddies with 1000 SHields and 2200 Armor
Gunnos with 4000 SHields 1000 armor....?

I like this.

EVE is EVE and Dust is not EVE. You might need start picking up a clue or two. It will reduce your frustrations. Or play Angry Birds. Either way.

CCP/Shanghai hates shields. The original shield tanks did not work at all when Uprising 1.0 was released. In fact their default weapon showed the basic bug that has been enhanced and enabled on all chassis for 1.7.

Their hatred of shields were most evident during two time periods. First when they were flooded with QQ Kittens lamenting on these forums on Slayer Caldari Logis and Assaults. Then they backwards Nerf Hammered the shields by buffing the armor dramatically. Which meant that an armor module was much more protection than a shield module. At the same time they applied their loving Nerf Hammer on the bonuses for both Caldari Logi and Assault suits.

Do not expect a fully formed EVE experience in Dust. It ain't gonna happen.

Note that Meta levels are ignored as well and all the horribly complex EVE tech is a waste of time down here in the Free to Play section of New Eden that Dust occupies. Complex EVE tech was what the original tanks had a little of. It was eliminated completely to have simple, but cute tanks that the New Berries would buy AUR versions of.

Since their constant reduction of ISK payouts it is nearly impossible to make a profit if you are less than the top three or four players in a match. Adding the complexity of EVE tech to a system that doesn't let you make a profit seems like getting stabbed in the stomach as well as the back. To me anyway.

lol expecting logic from CCP... good one Cat

EVE is EVE and Dust is not EVE. You might need start picking up a clue or two. It will reduce your frustrations. Or play Angry Birds. Either way.

CCP/Shanghai hates shields. The original shield tanks did not work at all when Uprising 1.0 was released. In fact their default weapon showed the basic bug that has been enhanced and enabled on all chassis for 1.7.

Their hatred of shields were most evident during two time periods. First when they were flooded with QQ Kittens lamenting on these forums on Slayer Caldari Logis and Assaults. Then they backwards Nerf Hammered the shields by buffing the armor dramatically. Which meant that an armor module was much more protection than a shield module. At the same time they applied their loving Nerf Hammer on the bonuses for both Caldari Logi and Assault suits.

Do not expect a fully formed EVE experience in Dust. It ain't gonna happen.

Note that Meta levels are ignored as well and all the horribly complex EVE tech is a waste of time down here in the Free to Play section of New Eden that Dust occupies. Complex EVE tech was what the original tanks had a little of. It was eliminated completely to have simple, but cute tanks that the New Berries would buy AUR versions of.

Since their constant reduction of ISK payouts it is nearly impossible to make a profit if you are less than the top three or four players in a match. Adding the complexity of EVE tech to a system that doesn't let you make a profit seems like getting stabbed in the stomach as well as the back. To me anyway.

no the caldari are the quick and agile ones. Caldari vehicles have a higher acceleration and mobility due to shield tanking. Same with dropships, gallente is slower and bulkier and able to take more hits where the caldari dropship is more maneuverable but can't take as many hits. Gallente and amarr are slower because they are armor tanks, caldari and minmatar are faster because they are shield tanks.

Yes we realize this isn't Eve. But it's still New Eden, right? With all the same factions as Eve, right? Would only make sense that things should carry over into Dust. It's not like the lore was set in place over 10 years ago or anything. It makes sense to have certain constant variables in place between both games. CCP doesn't often use logic but that doesn't mean you should neglect it as well.

You missed the point.
That's what currently is the case, but CCP has repeatedly made statements to suggest that things should be as Cat Merc is explaining them.

Heh.
MAddies with 1000 SHields and 2200 Armor
Gunnos with 4000 SHields 1000 armor....?

I like this.

Just a note, that armor buff was just an addition of 20HP to all plates, because armor was proven to be the weaker tank.

Shield tankers are in a much better situation right now than armor tankers were before the armor buff lol

Truth!

Caldari favor tanking (shields), Amarr favor tanking (armor) over speed and agility. While Gallente favor speed and armor repair over tank and Minmatar favor speed and sheild rep over tank.

It's kinda like CCP writes things and tells us things and then implements the exact opposite. Leh sigh.

Link or it didn't happen.
So the gallente should become faster (they do have a higher top speed than cal vehicles) than caldari vehicles because....?
The way it is right now is good, the alliances have both a faster maneuverable member and a slower tankier member. Making am cal slow and tanky and gal min fast an agile just wouldn't make sense. Gallente are armor tankers, so they are naturally slower and less maneuverable than the shield tanking caldari. That's the way armor and shields work, armor is much stronger, shields weigh less. You can make a gal vehicle much faster than a caldari one by fitting a nos to it, (Without sacrafising tank) something that would take away from a cal vehicles tank.

What your suggesting is taking away the one slight advantage cal vehicles have and giving it to the gal. Its stupid. Look at their medium suits, cal are faster (shields) so they can hit and run, gal are slower (armor) but have a much higher tank.

There is no reason to change anything, its good enough as it is. (Although shield mods like regulators could use a buff, and vehicles could use the local power diagnostic back)

True but shields drop so fast they barely count. Then they introduced the Scramble Rifle and we all watched shields disappear. And we had the Flaylock pistol. Followed by the Combat and Rail rifles. Don't forget they gave some power back to laser rifles as well.

All of which melt shields. The highest level shield awards +66HP while the highest armor is +115 (I think). While the bump was 20 the total makes the situation clear. Shields are targets in Dust.


Also, we are talking about drop suits tanking right? Cause tanks are a different story, although still not a good one.

on one hand it seems rather unproductive to respond to our favourite Forum-Troll of Cat Merc in a serious manner - but on the other hand i am German and can therefore hardly resist to try to respond here in a serious manner as well...:

today's Maddy-Fit's have their high-slots rather free for a Fuel-Injector and do normally fit it - so they are fast - and since they out-regenerate Shield Tanks with ease and without regen-delay - they are rather regenerative.

also, Gunnie is the way to go for stacking HP and damage-reduction - so they are the rather more tanky tanks - while they also fit a Fuel-Injector less often in their important high-slots. so that they get a better acceleration and turning-agility is such a bad thing?

nah, C'monSrslyBro/Cat... .

DUST is supposed to be in New Eden, EVE is in New Eden, we need to put the 2 together

Part 1: Engineering & Capacitors
Part 2: Armor & Shield
Part 3: Modules & Skills
Part 4: Vehicles
Part 5: Overview