ISK isn't the main reason they have the upper hand. If it was, many districts would be getting flipped and reattacked 24/7 by DNS.


You have to win the game on the ground, that is the biggest factor


You can do it with 120 clones and it has been done MANY times by corps over the history of PC (it has been done with 100 clones too). The problem is that DNS has the better teams and no matter how many clones you have, if you can't keep them points and do well then you will lose. :/


Just wait when our common goal is accomplished and people in DNS go back to doing other stuff. DNS Dust corps want to fight each other, trust me.





If you want a better example then here is one about your corp.

Long ago, PHX (TPF as new members call it) had an entire planet with a few other districts. They lost all of them in less than a week to a corp with barely any districts (if they even had any at that time).

Reason: PHX couldn't beat the other team on the ground. (this was when Eve OB support wasn't a big deal at all)

ISK can't save you if the team on the ground can't win


P.S. Red Star was the other team in case you were wondering.

OK, so one reason why EoN, DNS and whoever is next will always have the upper hand is the amount of ISK they have (both corp and personal).

This means that even if they lose a district, they can attack it for days wearing the opposition down.

So how can we reduce the difference?

Add maintence costs to districts?
Let them add scenery and such in to the maps (maybe a hot-dog stand?) For ISK obviously
Have different functioning districts that produce other things aside from ISK


Any other ideas? Stick 'em 'ere!

So let me get this straight...We are to be punished for getting into PC before you? We are to be punished for holding all of MH beneath our feet? We are to be punished for smashing a entire alliance of the entire game? We are to be punished for vanquishing all who ever opposed us? No! No! Nooooo!

I thought you were planning to make a crappy talent show when I first read the title.

You just gave Hynox an idea.

OK, so one reason why EoN, DNS and whoever is next will always have the upper hand is the amount of ISK they have (both corp and personal).

This means that even if they lose a district, they can attack it for days wearing the opposition down.

So how can we reduce the difference?

Add maintence costs to districts?
Let them add scenery and such in to the maps (maybe a hot-dog stand?) For ISK obviously
Have different functioning districts that produce other things aside from ISK


Any other ideas? Stick 'em 'ere!

Actually fight back instead of asking CCP to fight back for you?

They have a ridiculous amount of talent and experience in PC, that shouldn't be discounted. It's also not their fault that it's human nature to want to win.

They've beaten corps down to the point that some of them have dissolved altogether. Then big portions of that talent joins some other super corp. So you started with 40 PC corps, then after a few months it's 30, then 20, then 10. Out of that 10 there was only 3 or 4 that could actually compete with each other. Instead of wasting ISK on a dead game mode, they decided to print ISK.

FA had to lock districts to prevent the investment and the work they'd done from getting smashed by attack after attack from AE and NS. Even though they were able to win a large share of matches against them, they had to use cheap tactics to have any chance at making a dent in RA's territory.

There are two corps out there right now capable of beating the donut. Now locking is not profitable so that tactic is out. Any land won will quickly be taken back. It's pointless and anyone that says any different is a fool.

It may be difficult to obtain and keep districts but one should not be put off from trying. Trying encourages others to try as well. The more try in a coordinated manner the better the chances are of obtaining a district.

any corp that participated in lockingdrome and didn't post a thread about passive isk being the devil doesn't matter. You are only here because someone else is getting the isk and not you.

you ladys are the worst vag gamers that I have encountered.

any corp that participated in lockingdrome and didn't post a thread about passive isk being the devil doesn't matter. You are only here because someone else is getting the isk and not you.

you ladys are the worst vag gamers that I have encountered.

They have a ridiculous amount of talent and experience in PC, that shouldn't be discounted. It's also not their fault that it's human nature to want to win.

They've beaten corps down to the point that some of them have dissolved altogether. Then big portions of that talent joins some other super corp. So you started with 40 PC corps, then after a few months it's 30, then 20, then 10. Out of that 10 there was only 3 or 4 that could actually compete with each other. Instead of wasting ISK on a dead game mode, they decided to print ISK.

FA had to lock districts to prevent the investment and the work they'd done from getting smashed by attack after attack from AE and NS. Even though they were able to win a large share of matches against them, they had to use cheap tactics to have any chance at making a dent in RA's territory.

There are two corps out there right now capable of beating the donut. Now locking is not profitable so that tactic is out. Any land won will quickly be taken back. It's pointless and anyone that says any different is a fool.

Couldn't be further from the truth in my case. I never thought locking was good for the game, it was just necessary. If people hadn't locked PC would have been dead anyway. We just delayed the inevitable.

The one difference may have been if you guys hadn't blue'd up. Maybe there would have been two powers going at it, but it really wouldn't be any different than it is now with 5 or 6 A teams dominating the participation.

Either way the game mode would still be broken. Unless you consider the paltry participation in PC a good thing. Dust is still just as active as it was the day Uprising dropped but there's a substantial drop in the number of players in PC for months. Is that because we are all huge vaglnas or is it evidence of a broken game mode?

Locking was bad for the game, as was corps using ringers. I believe that ringers should be sought from a corps respective alliance and then only to fill in the odd gaps. otherwise it should be a 16 v 16 match between corps

Actually fight back instead of asking CCP to fight back for you?

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Why are you talking as if you are even kind of relevant to this blue doughnut? This could have easily been achieved regardless of what side you or TeamPlayers were on. FYI you didn't smash every opponent that ever faced you either, AE spanked you out of PC. remember? Or if you were referring to your blue doughnut victories, FA beat the blue doughnut until they pulled down their panties and bent over, and WTF has defended their district with a victory numerous times...

Just a small thought:

If you rid yourself of passive (or make it basically little more than nothing DUST side) and all the isk is generated through the biomass of clones in the battle, then you can safely reduce clone pack clost down without fear of inducing profitable locking.

Sure you probably need to figure out a non isk reason that gives purpose to holding districts (a friend of mine today mentioned districts manufacturing specialist variants of stuff like FW) but other than that I think it's great.

I think this will encourage more corps to feel inclined to fight in PC.

I don't think encouraging people spamming clone packs is a bad thing.

There should be 100 fights going on each day IMO.

Hot dog stands. Clearly, that's the solution.

FA learns from every loss. Most corps do not.