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Yokal Bob
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Posted - 2014.04.14 08:42:00 -
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OK, so one reason why EoN, DNS and whoever is next will always have the upper hand is the amount of ISK they have (both corp and personal).
This means that even if they lose a district, they can attack it for days wearing the opposition down.
So how can we reduce the difference?
Add maintence costs to districts?
Let them add scenery and such in to the maps (maybe a hot-dog stand?) For ISK obviously
Have different functioning districts that produce other things aside from ISK
Any other ideas? Stick 'em 'ere!
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Yokal Bob
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Posted - 2014.04.14 16:49:00 -
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1. I said one of the factors not the only one
2. I am not saying anyone needs to be punished
3. I am asking for ideas in which;
a) Other ways ISK can be used
b) To forge a greater link between EVE and Dust
c) Ways to make PC more intersting
This is not a QQ thread, I have been talking to many people and the devs on how PC can be improved, especially with PC 2.0 round the corner (hopefully).
So can we just see some ideas?
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Yokal Bob
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Posted - 2014.04.14 19:48:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Yokal Bob wrote:OK, so one reason why EoN, DNS and whoever is next will always have the upper hand is the amount of ISK they have (both corp and personal).
This means that even if they lose a district, they can attack it for days wearing the opposition down.
So how can we reduce the difference?
Add maintence costs to districts?
Let them add scenery and such in to the maps (maybe a hot-dog stand?) For ISK obviously
Have different functioning districts that produce other things aside from ISK
Any other ideas? Stick 'em 'ere! Actually fight back instead of asking CCP to fight back for you?
How is this at all relevent? For one thing I always fight my own battles and don't hide behind other's skirts.
This post isn't just aimed that those currently holding districts but for anyone holding them in the future. Wouldn't you like other ways to spend ISK? Make the game a bit more interesting? Tie in EVE better with Dust?
I have however realised the mistake I made when creating this thread. It may come across as trying to punish district holders, that is not my intention. (I blame lack of sleep, damn insomnia)
My intention was to find new ways of using ISK for everyone. Wouldn't you like to see corp flags flying on the district you own?
Districts with different functionalities is something I have been working on for a while. The idea been to create a closer relationship between Dust and EVE, but at the same time the owner still has the option to chose which kind of district they would like.
This is what I wanted to get ideas for.
I apologise for any misunderstanding in my OP
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Yokal Bob
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Posted - 2014.04.14 20:03:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:They have a ridiculous amount of talent and experience in PC, that shouldn't be discounted. It's also not their fault that it's human nature to want to win.
They've beaten corps down to the point that some of them have dissolved altogether. Then big portions of that talent joins some other super corp. So you started with 40 PC corps, then after a few months it's 30, then 20, then 10. Out of that 10 there was only 3 or 4 that could actually compete with each other. Instead of wasting ISK on a dead game mode, they decided to print ISK.
FA had to lock districts to prevent the investment and the work they'd done from getting smashed by attack after attack from AE and NS. Even though they were able to win a large share of matches against them, they had to use cheap tactics to have any chance at making a dent in RA's territory.
There are two corps out there right now capable of beating the donut. Now locking is not profitable so that tactic is out. Any land won will quickly be taken back. It's pointless and anyone that says any different is a fool.
It may be difficult to obtain and keep districts but one should not be put off from trying. Trying encourages others to try as well. The more try in a coordinated manner the better the chances are of obtaining a district.
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Yokal Bob
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Posted - 2014.04.14 21:02:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:any corp that participated in lockingdrome and didn't post a thread about passive isk being the devil doesn't matter. You are only here because someone else is getting the isk and not you.
you ladys are the worst vag gamers that I have encountered.
I couldn't care less whether people have more ISK than me. The only thing I would like to see in a player vs player game is exactly that player vs player. I want to see competition and activity, rivalries and fun for all.
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Yokal Bob
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:23:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Free Beers wrote:any corp that participated in lockingdrome and didn't post a thread about passive isk being the devil doesn't matter. You are only here because someone else is getting the isk and not you.
you ladys are the worst vag gamers that I have encountered. Couldn't be further from the truth in my case. I never thought locking was good for the game, it was just necessary. If people hadn't locked PC would have been dead anyway. We just delayed the inevitable. The one difference may have been if you guys hadn't blue'd up. Maybe there would have been two powers going at it, but it really wouldn't be any different than it is now with 5 or 6 A teams dominating the participation. Either way the game mode would still be broken. Unless you consider the paltry participation in PC a good thing. Dust is still just as active as it was the day Uprising dropped but there's a substantial drop in the number of players in PC for months. Is that because we are all huge vaglnas or is it evidence of a broken game mode?
Locking was bad for the game, as was corps using ringers. I believe that ringers should be sought from a corps respective alliance and then only to fill in the odd gaps. otherwise it should be a 16 v 16 match between corps
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Yokal Bob
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Posted - 2014.04.15 06:18:00 -
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Arcanine Rising wrote:Just a small thought:
If you rid yourself of passive (or make it basically little more than nothing DUST side) and all the isk is generated through the biomass of clones in the battle, then you can safely reduce clone pack clost down without fear of inducing profitable locking.
Sure you probably need to figure out a non isk reason that gives purpose to holding districts (a friend of mine today mentioned districts manufacturing specialist variants of stuff like FW) but other than that I think it's great.
I think this will encourage more corps to feel inclined to fight in PC.
I don't think encouraging people spamming clone packs is a bad thing.
There should be 100 fights going on each day IMO.
Indeed, but the stuff manufactured could also extend to the EVE side via a corp vault. Maybe salvage parts or parts of ships? And I agree people using clone packs, is a good thing, more fights should be going on :)
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Yokal Bob
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Posted - 2014.04.15 06:20:00 -
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iliel wrote:Hot dog stands. Clearly, that's the solution.
you never know when it may come in handy... especially if you have an outside TV to go with it, oh and a fridge and a couple dozen chairs. That way I can visit and watch anime all day :)
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