A fully damped Gal scout is undetectable by anything. So yeah, for some of them there is just nothing you can do (currently).

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe all it takes is the right skills maxed (scout suit and profile damp to lvl 5) and the combination of 1 complex + 1 enhanced profile dampener. Anything less than that can be detected by a Cal scout. Of course, this is without taking the cloak into consideration.

a gal scout with 1 cloak + 1 complex damp or 2 complex damps are invisible to radar. This should tell you how terrible ccp devs are at dust because they need a gimmick

Edit: Fingers not listening to my brain evidently

Only I can detect gallente scouts...with my eyeballs.

If they are standing still and cloaked the only 100% way is with you reticle. I hate to say it but i do a lot of ballerina spins looking for hiding shotgun scrubs when i go into building now

I'm trying to figure out the best way to counter highly dampened gallente scout players and I keep falling short. I'm not sure what the best way is to actually detect one of these players and I think it's simply because the math won't allow for it.

I'll show you what I've worked out and maybe the community can help me correct my issues or suggest something I haven't thought of. Before I continue, I should mention I used whole percentages for stacking penalties and rounded at the end of the "db" calculations. Percentages used for stacking penalties were 100%, 86%, 57%, and 28%. Also I'm assuming maximum levels for the skills involved.

Most important, if my math is wrong please tell me why it is wrong and I will attempt to correct it. I based the calculations on past understandings of how skills are multiplied and the order in which they are worked on. I'm assuming that cloaks are added at the end. I am already aware that because I'm not using precise stacking penalty percentages that my values have some error.

All values may be plus or minus 1db as a general estimated cover of the error caused by rounding and using whole percentages.


Dampening:

Any scout with passive dampening
35 x .9 = 31.5
Gallente: 35 x .9 x .75 = 23.63

Any scout with 1 dampener
35 x .9 x .75 = 23.63
Gallente: 35 x .9 x .75 x .75 = 17.72

Any scout with 2 dampeners
35 x .9 x .75 x .785 = 18.55
Gallente: 35 x .9 x .75 x .75 x .785 = 13.91

Any scout with 1 dampener and cloak active
35 x .9 x .75 x .75 = 17.72
Gallente: 35 x .9 x .75 x .75 x .75= 13.29

Any scout with 2 dampeners and cloak active
35 x .9 x .75 x .785 x .75 = 13.91
Gallente: 35 x .9 x .75 x .75 x .785 x .75 = 10.43


Precision:

Gallente logi with focused scanner
20 x .75 = 15

Any scout with passive precision
40 x .9 = 36
Caldari: 40 x .9 x .75 = 27

Any scout with 1 precision mod
40 x .9 x .8 = 28.8
Caldari: 40 x .9 x .75 x .8 = 21.6

Any scout with 2 precision mods
40 x .9 x .8 x .828 = 23.85
Caldari: 40 x .9 x .75 x .8 x .828 = 17.88

A couple scouts with 3 precision mods
40 x .9 x .8 x .828 x .886 = 21.13
Caldari: 40 x .9 x .75 x .8 x .828 x .886 = 15.85

A couple scouts with 4 precision mods
40 x .9 x .8 x .828 x .886 x .944 = 19.95
Caldari: 40 x .9 x .75 x .8 x .828 x .886 x .944 = 14.96


Since caldari and gallente are the current in game leaders in precision and dampening I'm going to draw conclusions with these suits as the focus.

With passives alone a caldari suit will not detect a gallente suit.
With 1 precision mod a caldari suit will detect a passive gallente suit.
With 2 precision mods a caldari suit will detect a gallente suit with 1 dampener.
A caldari suit will not detect a gallente suit with 2 or more dampeners.
A caldari suit will not detect a gallente suit with 1 cloak and 1 or more dampeners.
A caldari suit will not detect any suit with 1 cloak and 2 or more dampeners.

Of course that's if all you are equipping is precision mods.

I guess I could just use my eyes. Lol.

I don't think a dampened scout should be so easily countered. They gave up either mobility or a huge amount of health for that advantage.

Yes, they give up a lot for dampening but I find it worrying that there is no counter for a fully dampened gallente scout. Why can't a caldari scout give up everything to find a gallente scout also?

But as it stands the amount of precision required to defeat dampening is way too high.

The ability to hide should always be easier than the ability to scan.

Scanning is much more powerful, as it's basically wallhack + it's shared with your squad, SOMETHING should be able to completely avoid it, so it isn't a complete wallhack.

If they are standing still and cloaked the only 100% way is with you reticle. I hate to say it but i do a lot of ballerina spins looking for hiding shotgun scrubs when i go into building now

Of course I'll use my eyes (but why is it the only option?)

a Lot of Math....

Truth:
I guess I could just use my eyes. Lol.

because they are OP.

nerf eyes then we'll talk about buffing scanners.

(( seriously you want to buff passive scanner, aka the wall hack. ))

Because if Scan precision was stronger than Dampening, there wouldnt be ANY REASON at all to run a scout that is not a Caldari one.

You see:
Caldari scout, even while NOT able to scan a Gallente Scout (and not all of them,most are tanked, dont even run a profile dampener anyways) you can scan ANY OTHER SUIT IN THE GAME.

The Gallente Scout dampening only helps him vs other scouts and A.Scanners, since any other suit wont see a scout regardless of what race scout it is....