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DJINN Marauder wrote:

ROCKO THE HELLHOUND wrote:

DJINN Marauder wrote:

Kbm super strafing is a myth. Kbm doesn't magically give you godlike strafe...

it let's you change strafe-direction 10 times per-second, this messes up hit-detection - in the end you can put a full AR/ RR/ ACR/ ASCR clip into a Medium-Frame performing this Rapid-Strafe-Directon-Change-Cheat-Dance via keyboard - without him even moving from that position he dances on - and it still only brings half his shields down.

this CCP beginner-mistake is the foremost reason in my opinion why Dust is not a decent PVP-Lobby-Shooter on PS3 yet.

This is just plain stupid. It's stupid about how false you are spreading information.

Yes, you MIGHT be able to c"hange" direction 10 times per second but it basically means you are STANDING still.

You could wiggle the stick and "change" direction 10 times per second TOO... But you're standing still LOL.

Strafing Works best when you move side to side in a moderate distance. This distance is around the diameter of a std Nanohive. If you strafe in a tighter (smaller diameter) you might as well not be strafing because the bullets will hit your character.

Inversely, if you strafe to long to the sides, it is easy to track.

Because of the above, kbm strafing is no better than ds3 strafing. In fact I'd wager the guy that owned the OP was actually using a ds3 and using the Circle Strafe (moving in a tight circle similar to a nanohive's circumference. And THAT higher method of strafing is EASIER to do on a Ds3

Circle strafing > all

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Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 612	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:05:00 - [1] - Quote FIx this god dam keyboard and mouse strafing like now. Freking heavies are strafing faster than my scout.
LT Shanx OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 46	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:07:00 - [2] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: FIx this god dam keyboard and mouse strafing like now. Freking heavies are strafing faster than my scout. Stop stacking complex plates then.
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 612	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:09:00 - [3] - Quote LT Shanx wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: FIx this god dam keyboard and mouse strafing like now. Freking heavies are strafing faster than my scout. Stop stacking complex plates then. um, im minmitar, 10 m/s +.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 5048	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:12:00 - [4] - Quote Kbm super strafing is a myth. Kbm doesn't magically give you godlike strafe... GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior Pro I \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Spirax Sarco Sniper Research Lab 39	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:13:00 - [5] - Quote can I ask why you use KB/M on a ps3 game ? I've been wanting to ask someone... seriously, no troll. Taking over field work for 'Cpl Foster, USMC' (he got his 10,000th kill) until some new stuff comes out.
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 613	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:27:00 - [6] - Quote Spirax Sarco wrote: can I ask why you use KB/M on a ps3 game ? I've been wanting to ask someone... seriously, no troll. I dont but the try hards do.
Boot Booter Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 448	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:32:00 - [7] - Quote I don't think it's a myth... You can physically press left /right faster on a keyboard than you could with a controller. The issue with dust is you get near instantaneous response to full strafe speed. This is why we everyone is constantly dancing about. A kbm doesn't give better strafe speeds, it just makes people more twitchy. CCP should really make some sort of acceleration function on movement inputs to give this game a more realistic and balanced feel.
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 615	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:50:00 - [8] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: I don't think it's a myth... You can physically press left /right faster on a keyboard than you could with a controller. The issue with dust is you get near instantaneous response to full strafe speed. This is why we everyone is constantly dancing about. A kbm doesn't give better strafe speeds, it just makes people more twitchy. CCP should really make some sort of acceleration function on movement inputs to give this game a more realistic and balanced feel. it's not a myth, its that pressing a key make makes the person move at full speed where as if I was to move my analogue left I would have to start at middle and pull it to the left which makes it accelerate. Keyboards don't have they accelerate because they go instantly to full speed.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 632	Posted - 2014.04.11 21:56:00 - [9] - Quote its a bit like torque. It allows you to reach top speed faster than a controller will.
ROCKO THE HELLHOUND Ultramarine Corp 41	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:34:00 - [10] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Kbm super strafing is a myth. Kbm doesn't magically give you godlike strafe... it let's you change strafe-direction 10 times per-second, this messes up hit-detection - in the end you can put a full AR/ RR/ ACR/ ASCR clip into a Medium-Frame performing this Rapid-Strafe-Directon-Change-Cheat-Dance via keyboard - without him even moving from that position he dances on - and it still only brings half his shields down. this CCP beginner-mistake is the foremost reason in my opinion why Dust is not a decent PVP-Lobby-Shooter on PS3 yet.

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6594	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:42:00 - [11] - Quote Spirax Sarco wrote: can I ask why you use KB/M on a ps3 game ? Perhaps as a personal preference? Anyways, Cpl Foster you should really try Sniping with KB/M. It's beautiful. #LivingLikeLarry [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
kiarbanor S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 370	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:53:00 - [12] - Quote There has to be something to the kb/m because we've tried to replicate the movements with a DS3 every way possible, and we simply can't move like some people do. Even with four kin cats and speed over 11. If it's not kb/m, I can't figure out how some people are doing what they do.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:55:00 - [13] - Quote Once again, CCP being indecisive. Get rid of keyboard and mouse. This is a PS3 game. Let's keep it at that.
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1087	Posted - 2014.04.11 23:07:00 - [14] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Kbm super strafing is a myth. Kbm doesn't magically give you godlike strafe... Unless your in a tank...
Spirax Sarco Sniper Research Lab 40	Posted - 2014.04.11 23:25:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spirax Sarco wrote: can I ask why you use KB/M on a ps3 game ? Perhaps as a personal preference? Anyways, Cpl Foster you should really try Sniping with KB/M. It's beautiful. haha...yeah, I've only been using the dual shock controller...it must be crazy Taking over field work for 'Cpl Foster, USMC' (he got his 10,000th kill) until some new stuff comes out.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 5052	Posted - 2014.04.11 23:28:00 - [16] - Quote ROCKO THE HELLHOUND wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Kbm super strafing is a myth. Kbm doesn't magically give you godlike strafe... it let's you change strafe-direction 10 times per-second, this messes up hit-detection - in the end you can put a full AR/ RR/ ACR/ ASCR clip into a Medium-Frame performing this Rapid-Strafe-Directon-Change-Cheat-Dance via keyboard - without him even moving from that position he dances on - and it still only brings half his shields down. this CCP beginner-mistake is the foremost reason in my opinion why Dust is not a decent PVP-Lobby-Shooter on PS3 yet. This is just plain stupid. It's stupid about how false you are spreading information. Yes, you MIGHT be able to c"hange" direction 10 times per second but it basically means you are STANDING still. You could wiggle the stick and "change" direction 10 times per second TOO... But you're standing still LOL. Strafing Works best when you move side to side in a moderate distance. This distance is around the diameter of a std Nanohive. If you strafe in a tighter (smaller diameter) you might as well not be strafing because the bullets will hit your character. Inversely, if you strafe to long to the sides, it is easy to track. Because of the above, kbm strafing is no better than ds3 strafing. In fact I'd wager the guy that owned the OP was actually using a ds3 and using the Circle Strafe (moving in a tight circle similar to a nanohive's circumference. And THAT higher method of strafing is EASIER to do on a Ds3 Circle strafing > all GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior Pro I \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2014.04.11 23:37:00 - [17] - Quote Let me explain to you how to kick a** with a kbm. 1. Purchase trackball. 2. Plug keyboard and track ball in. 3. Profit.
Patrick57 6923	Posted - 2014.04.11 23:37:00 - [18] - Quote I used to run keyboard/mouse, the strafe was really good, but the rest of the controls were pretty meh. Expecially where the grenade button is. Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare
Spirax Sarco Sniper Research Lab 43	Posted - 2014.04.11 23:42:00 - [19] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Boot Booter wrote: I don't think it's a myth... You can physically press left /right faster on a keyboard than you could with a controller. The issue with dust is you get near instantaneous response to full strafe speed. This is why we everyone is constantly dancing about. A kbm doesn't give better strafe speeds, it just makes people more twitchy. CCP should really make some sort of acceleration function on movement inputs to give this game a more realistic and balanced feel. it's not a myth, its that pressing a key make makes the person move at full speed where as if I was to move my analogue left I would have to start at middle and pull it to the left which makes it accelerate. Keyboards don't have they accelerate because they go instantly to full speed. thanks....best answer. That and the sniper aiming thing. Taking over field work for 'Cpl Foster, USMC' (he got his 10,000th kill) until some new stuff comes out.
VikingKong iBUN Third Rock From The Sun 52	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:13:00 - [20] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Kbm super strafing is a myth. Kbm doesn't magically give you godlike strafe... This. I have tried both while watching from my brothers screen, there's literally no difference. I can strafe just as fast with a controller as I can with a keyboard.

KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 5031	Posted - 2014.04.12 00:39:00 - [21] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: FIx this god dam keyboard and mouse strafing like now. Freking heavies are strafing faster than my scout. Do you even DS3? Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Beld Errmon 1586	Posted - 2014.04.12 01:34:00 - [22] - Quote oh look out the drooling rattle users want the kb/m gone again, because they ran into someone stacking kincats and omg its the kb/m monster! you console kids never should have been let near fps games, they've been getting dumbed down just to cater to you mouth breathing couch slugs. Rise and rise again until lambs become lions.
ROCKO THE HELLHOUND Ultramarine Corp 43	Posted - 2014.04.13 22:31:00 - [23] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: ROCKO THE HELLHOUND wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Kbm super strafing is a myth. Kbm doesn't magically give you godlike strafe... it let's you change strafe-direction 10 times per-second, this messes up hit-detection - in the end you can put a full AR/ RR/ ACR/ ASCR clip into a Medium-Frame performing this Rapid-Strafe-Directon-Change-Cheat-Dance via keyboard - without him even moving from that position he dances on - and it still only brings half his shields down. this CCP beginner-mistake is the foremost reason in my opinion why Dust is not a decent PVP-Lobby-Shooter on PS3 yet. This is just plain stupid. It's stupid about how false you are spreading information. Yes, you MIGHT be able to c"hange" direction 10 times per second but it basically means you are STANDING still. You could wiggle the stick and "change" direction 10 times per second TOO... But you're standing still LOL. Strafing Works best when you move side to side in a moderate distance. This distance is around the diameter of a std Nanohive. If you strafe in a tighter (smaller diameter) you might as well not be strafing because the bullets will hit your character. Inversely, if you strafe to long to the sides, it is easy to track. Because of the above, kbm strafing is no better than ds3 strafing. In fact I'd wager the guy that owned the OP was actually using a ds3 and using the Circle Strafe (moving in a tight circle similar to a nanohive's circumference. And THAT higher method of strafing is EASIER to do on a Ds3 Circle strafing > all it is not about about any certain numbers, nor about any "theoretical maximum" strafe-direction-changes, it is about ease of use - two fingers on the direction buttons of a keyboard let you change strafe direction way easier and therefore better rapidly than if you try to do it with a DS3 stick - and i think anybody who hasn't started to play video-games just recently would be aware of this. so, in Dust514 some people strafe the same like a MoFu via keyboard like on PC - which also totally messes up with hit-detection in Dust514 - and while they cannot do this in other video-games on PS3. we are complaining about the results of this cheat-tactic that are just happening here - and not about your personal opinion about if and to what extends it would be possible at all... .
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1884	Posted - 2014.04.13 22:39:00 - [24] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: oh look out the drooling rattle users want the kb/m gone again, because they ran into someone stacking kincats and omg its the kb/m monster! you console kids never should have been let near fps games, they've been getting dumbed down just to cater to you mouth breathing couch slugs. I have a deviated septum damn it! I don't want to breath out of my mouth, I just cant breath otherwise.... this game makes me sad....
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 47	Posted - 2014.04.13 22:48:00 - [25] - Quote The ignorance is simply amazing. KBM apologists should try BF4 on console vs PC. Or perhaps, play quake with a joystick as opposed to KBM. In all honestly, if you want to wallow in your ignorance, I suggest you play other FPS before making pseudo-scientific, walltexts of utter nonsense. Cheers! *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.
saxonmish Third Rock From The Sun 76	Posted - 2014.04.13 22:58:00 - [26] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Boot Booter wrote: I don't think it's a myth... You can physically press left /right faster on a keyboard than you could with a controller. The issue with dust is you get near instantaneous response to full strafe speed. This is why we everyone is constantly dancing about. A kbm doesn't give better strafe speeds, it just makes people more twitchy. CCP should really make some sort of acceleration function on movement inputs to give this game a more realistic and balanced feel. it's not a myth, its that pressing a key make makes the person move at full speed where as if I was to move my analogue left I would have to start at middle and pull it to the left which makes it accelerate. Keyboards don't have they accelerate because they go instantly to full speed. I have tested this theory of keyboards being able to strafe quicker. My conclusion was no it doesn't, i have two ps3's and two tele's one with keyboard one with controller and the strafing speed is the same yea i get your acceleration thing but that all depends on how fast your thumb can switch directions. The thing which gets me is the turning speed on the mouse, i want that on my controller, i used to play cod on insane and bf3 on the highest sensitivity i want it on this game. Then i'll be happy. 7Th in the world for kills. NOT GONNA STOP SLAYING TILL I'M NO.1.
keno trader Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 47	Posted - 2014.04.13 23:06:00 - [27] - Quote saxonmish wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Boot Booter wrote: I don't think it's a myth... You can physically press left /right faster on a keyboard than you could with a controller. The issue with dust is you get near instantaneous response to full strafe speed. This is why we everyone is constantly dancing about. A kbm doesn't give better strafe speeds, it just makes people more twitchy. CCP should really make some sort of acceleration function on movement inputs to give this game a more realistic and balanced feel. it's not a myth, its that pressing a key make makes the person move at full speed where as if I was to move my analogue left I would have to start at middle and pull it to the left which makes it accelerate. Keyboards don't have they accelerate because they go instantly to full speed. I have tested this theory of keyboards being able to strafe quicker. My conclusion was no it doesn't, i have two ps3's and two tele's one with keyboard one with controller and the strafing speed is the same yea i get your acceleration thing but that all depends on how fast your thumb can switch directions. The thing which gets me is the turning speed on the mouse, i want that on my controller, i used to play cod on insane and bf3 on the highest sensitivity i want it on this game. Then i'll be happy. yup. *1.8* --- Still getting spawntrapped by boxes. *1.8* --- Smart deployment = letting a 2 year old handle spawns.


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