DUST Search - Minmatar or Gallante Scout?

Yan Darn wrote:

Sourdough Muffins wrote:

Minmatar is a great solo suit. You can run around hacking objectives all day long and assassinate those lonely point defenders in the outer objectives with your Nova Knives.

Gallente is a great Cal Scout/Medium Frame hunter. A squad of Cloaked Shotgun Gal Scouts can wreck face. Invisible to everyone while being able to see everyone(minus other Gal Scouts). A thinking man's suit unless you brick tank then you just suck :P

My favorite fitting on my main - ADV eWAR Gal Scout:

2x Complex Precision Enhancers

1x Complex Damp
2x Complex Range Amps (OR - 1x Complex Range Amp & 1x Complex Kincat)

Adv Cloak

CRG-3 Shotgun
Breach ScP

Locus Grenade

Yeah, it annoys me when people are referring to Gal scout as 'EZ mode' and needs nerfing. It's really the ability to brick tank which is the issue (for all Gal frames - just as when shields were 'OP' cal frames were the FoTM...).

@ Smooth - if you're already considering Min scout, I can't imagine you'd feel the brick tankability of Gal scout to really be a 'pro' -
You'll lose way too much speed and only have the base passives in terms of Ewar and at that point it's pretty much an assault with bonuses to flanking.

I've always been Gal - I'd go Min, but since I rarely play anything but STD, the slot config the pg/Cpu stuff is a major issue for me - I have to rock a CPU mod to fit my complex Ewar mods on a STD gal scout. Once I get proto links, I've got a fit that needs a CPU and PG mods. Throw in the fact I don't use knives, min scout looks less appealing.

The prevalent med frame mindset leads many to think low slots = armour and high slots = shields (/damage mods) but for scouts especially those low slots are really way more versatile than highs (until CCP broadens the game a bit).

Basically, if you use NK and are comfortable enough with the (hopefully current) grid resources - just go Min and be the most badass scout you can be.

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Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1185	Posted - 2014.04.08 15:38:00 - [1] - Quote Currently i'm just a gallante, but the minmatar scout has the shields and more assassinate like missions, while the gallante has a cowardly spy thing going on. The minmatar has so much more activity, but then again i could put shields on my gallante and still have 00.01 less speed than a minmatar, although i wouldn't have that insta-kill with nova knives. Minmatar: Shields Nova knife Badass Speed Light weapon Hack speed Hardcore Gallante: Stealth FOTM armor tank Enough CPU and PG Range The looks EZ mode (I understand why the armor tanks) *Assassination is my thing.*
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 2978	Posted - 2014.04.08 15:42:00 - [2] - Quote Minmatar for speed and assassin powers. Has a better layout if you like highslots. Gallente for eWar. Much better load out if you like lows(the better scout slot) People really wanna get the GalScout nerfed, they also have there sights on the shotgun and cloak. I say, screw it, and go green. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1185	Posted - 2014.04.08 15:43:00 - [3] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Minmatar for speed and assassin powers. Has a better layout if you like highslots. Gallente for eWar. Much better load out if you like lows(the better scout slot) People really wanna get the GalScout nerfed, they also have there sights on the shotgun and cloak. I say, screw it, and go green. Ewar? *Assassination is my thing.*
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2213	Posted - 2014.04.08 15:44:00 - [4] - Quote I went full on Gallente and after I get my comando and Sentinel G-1s, I'll be going for Minmatar scout for that hacking bonus. Knives are cool, too.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2213	Posted - 2014.04.08 15:45:00 - [5] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Minmatar for speed and assassin powers. Has a better layout if you like highslots. Gallente for eWar. Much better load out if you like lows(the better scout slot) People really wanna get the GalScout nerfed, they also have there sights on the shotgun and cloak. I say, screw it, and go green. Ewar? Scan precision, Scan profile, Svan range. The Gallente scouts excels in dampning and has a good scan range.
Jenza's Pants The Hetairoi 151	Posted - 2014.04.08 15:47:00 - [6] - Quote Shields? LOL. I fit kincats codebreakers and dmgmod on my minscout
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 2978	Posted - 2014.04.08 16:05:00 - [7] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Minmatar for speed and assassin powers. Has a better layout if you like highslots. Gallente for eWar. Much better load out if you like lows(the better scout slot) People really wanna get the GalScout nerfed, they also have there sights on the shotgun and cloak. I say, screw it, and go green. Ewar? What Joel said. 1 complex range amp+dampprecision mod means you will be able to see a good deal of what's going on around you and almost never been seen. "I do agree with you there though. shudders*" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5052	Posted - 2014.04.08 16:09:00 - [8] - Quote Gallente with 2 "e"s, not Gallante with 2 "a"s. And as mentioned, both have advantages and disadvantages. And eWar or EWAR is "electronic warfare". In DUST, it's purely about scanning at the moment - precision and range vs. profile. There's a lot more to it in EVE, and I expect that in time some of that will carry over to DUST as well, but it's unlikely to show up anytime soon.
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 335	Posted - 2014.04.08 16:09:00 - [9] - Quote Why do you put light weapon on the Minnie side ? I also think the Gallente "Ewar" advantages make it the better assassin "Shine bright like a diamond"
Sourdough Muffins Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 59	Posted - 2014.04.08 16:10:00 - [10] - Quote Minmatar is a great solo suit. You can run around hacking objectives all day long and assassinate those lonely point defenders in the outer objectives with your Nova Knives. Gallente is a great Cal Scout/Medium Frame hunter. A squad of Cloaked Shotgun Gal Scouts can wreck face. Invisible to everyone while being able to see everyone(minus other Gal Scouts). A thinking man's suit unless you brick tank then you just suck :P My favorite fitting on my main - ADV eWAR Gal Scout: 2x Complex Precision Enhancers 1x Complex Damp 2x Complex Range Amps (OR - 1x Complex Range Amp & 1x Complex Kincat) Adv Cloak CRG-3 Shotgun Breach ScP Locus Grenade

Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 224	Posted - 2014.04.08 16:27:00 - [11] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Currently i'm just a gallante, but the minmatar scout has the shields and more assassinate like missions, while the gallante has a cowardly spy thing going on. The minmatar has so much more activity, but then again i could put shields on my gallante and still have 00.01 less speed than a minmatar, although i wouldn't have that insta-kill with nova knives. Minmatar: Shields Nova knife Badass Speed Light weapon Hack speed Hardcore Gallante: Stealth FOTM armor tank Enough CPU and PG Range The looks EZ mode (I understand why the armor tanks) I'm a Min Scout (with proto) and I can tell you the pros and cons. Pros: Speed and Strafing - The minmatar is the best in both at this game, with three kin cats you can punch your sprint up to 11.12 m/s which is the fastest in the game, even though it's negligible to the 11.11 m/s on gal. Hacking - Comes in handy for speed hacking, and makes you very useful for PC (my corp loves me!). You can max out with 1.65 hacking speed, again the fastest in the game, and when you put those codebreakers, you can hack points in less than 3 seconds. Nova Knifing - it's ok in this build, you can drop almost every kind of player with one charged swipe (proto knives) but difficult because you ahve to be within at least 1m so if they back-paddle you're ******. Versatility - 3 Highs and 3 Lows, you can do a lot of variation with this configuration, I can't even list them. Cons: Speed and Strafing - you have to be very good/smart on how to play in order to make this effective. Heavy's with HMGs can annihilate min scouts in less than a second if they blast at you in CQC, so be careful. Also your speed severely gimps you when you hit 11.12 m/s, you can't get more than 340 eHP when you're running at this speed. Speed is also very negligible when it comes to other scouts. CPU/PG - the Minmatar seriously need more PG, 3 or 4 more PG would make the Min Scout sooo much more useful. eHP - lowest base of all scouts, which sucks obviously. Bonuses- they're too specific to be helpful in general use. The hacking is fine, but I would think the NK aren't worth it anymore. I enjoy the Min scout, don't get me wrong, but I feel i'll have more if not the same amount of fun with the gal scout. So I'll have both of both worlds I guess. "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 996	Posted - 2014.04.08 16:50:00 - [12] - Quote Minmatar is definitely still hard mode for scouts. I am still doing better than I was in the previous builds, but with all the shot guns and mass drivers that seem to take less skill, and still having much lower ehp if you want to be dampened and/or increase scanning abilities, this suit seems to have more weaknesses than the other scout classes, save maybe the Amarr. Looking for the scout hangout?
Yan Darn Science For Death 535	Posted - 2014.04.08 17:16:00 - [13] - Quote Sourdough Muffins wrote: Minmatar is a great solo suit. You can run around hacking objectives all day long and assassinate those lonely point defenders in the outer objectives with your Nova Knives. Gallente is a great Cal Scout/Medium Frame hunter. A squad of Cloaked Shotgun Gal Scouts can wreck face. Invisible to everyone while being able to see everyone(minus other Gal Scouts). A thinking man's suit unless you brick tank then you just suck :P My favorite fitting on my main - ADV eWAR Gal Scout: 2x Complex Precision Enhancers 1x Complex Damp 2x Complex Range Amps (OR - 1x Complex Range Amp & 1x Complex Kincat) Adv Cloak CRG-3 Shotgun Breach ScP Locus Grenade Yeah, it annoys me when people are referring to Gal scout as 'EZ mode' and needs nerfing. It's really the ability to brick tank which is the issue (for all Gal frames - just as when shields were 'OP' cal frames were the FoTM...). @ Smooth - if you're already considering Min scout, I can't imagine you'd feel the brick tankability of Gal scout to really be a 'pro' - You'll lose way too much speed and only have the base passives in terms of Ewar and at that point it's pretty much an assault with bonuses to flanking. I've always been Gal - I'd go Min, but since I rarely play anything but STD, the slot config the pg/Cpu stuff is a major issue for me - I have to rock a CPU mod to fit my complex Ewar mods on a STD gal scout. Once I get proto links, I've got a fit that needs a CPU and PG mods. Throw in the fact I don't use knives, min scout looks less appealing. The prevalent med frame mindset leads many to think low slots = armour and high slots = shields (/damage mods) but for scouts especially those low slots are really way more versatile than highs (until CCP broadens the game a bit). Basically, if you use NK and are comfortable enough with the (hopefully current) grid resources - just go Min and be the most badass scout you can be. The Ghost of Bravo
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1185	Posted - 2014.04.08 17:41:00 - [14] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Minmatar for speed and assassin powers. Has a better layout if you like highslots. Gallente for eWar. Much better load out if you like lows(the better scout slot) People really wanna get the GalScout nerfed, they also have there sights on the shotgun and cloak. I say, screw it, and go green. Ewar? Scan precision, Scan profile, Svan range. The Gallente scouts excels in dampning and has a good scan range. Electronic war, i guess... *Assassination is my thing.*
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1185	Posted - 2014.04.08 17:46:00 - [15] - Quote Yan Darn wrote: Sourdough Muffins wrote: Minmatar is a great solo suit. You can run around hacking objectives all day long and assassinate those lonely point defenders in the outer objectives with your Nova Knives. Gallente is a great Cal Scout/Medium Frame hunter. A squad of Cloaked Shotgun Gal Scouts can wreck face. Invisible to everyone while being able to see everyone(minus other Gal Scouts). A thinking man's suit unless you brick tank then you just suck :P My favorite fitting on my main - ADV eWAR Gal Scout: 2x Complex Precision Enhancers 1x Complex Damp 2x Complex Range Amps (OR - 1x Complex Range Amp & 1x Complex Kincat) Adv Cloak CRG-3 Shotgun Breach ScP Locus Grenade Yeah, it annoys me when people are referring to Gal scout as 'EZ mode' and needs nerfing. It's really the ability to brick tank which is the issue (for all Gal frames - just as when shields were 'OP' cal frames were the FoTM...). @ Smooth - if you're already considering Min scout, I can't imagine you'd feel the brick tankability of Gal scout to really be a 'pro' - You'll lose way too much speed and only have the base passives in terms of Ewar and at that point it's pretty much an assault with bonuses to flanking. I've always been Gal - I'd go Min, but since I rarely play anything but STD, the slot config the pg/Cpu stuff is a major issue for me - I have to rock a CPU mod to fit my complex Ewar mods on a STD gal scout. Once I get proto links, I've got a fit that needs a CPU and PG mods. Throw in the fact I don't use knives, min scout looks less appealing. The prevalent med frame mindset leads many to think low slots = armour and high slots = shields (/damage mods) but for scouts especially those low slots are really way more versatile than highs (until CCP broadens the game a bit). Basically, if you use NK and are comfortable enough with the (hopefully current) grid resources - just go Min and be the most badass scout you can be. You know i don't brick tank, and its why i'm suggesting skilling into the minmatar. *Assassination is my thing.*
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1812	Posted - 2014.04.08 17:46:00 - [16] - Quote Calls Gallente cowardly. Doesn't understand ninjutsu. Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 875	Posted - 2014.04.08 17:56:00 - [17] - Quote Gallente if you wanna be like the rest. Minmatar if you wanna be the best. Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 7/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL - eWar Merc
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 267	Posted - 2014.04.08 18:13:00 - [18] - Quote If you want to run a quicker, marginally less tanky, and exceptionally sneaky assault go Gallente. If you want high risk/high rewards (aka hard mode) go Minmatar. That hacking speed + knife damage really can be fun. As stated above "eWar" or Electronic Warfare, deals with using electronics to provide/deny advantages in information on the battle field (should really be Information Warfare, IMHO). Some have said the tacnet makes players too reliant on it, but until cloaks came out too many players simply ignored it. The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
CaveCav D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 289	Posted - 2014.04.08 18:16:00 - [19] - Quote Are you the kind of person that likes to bring a knife to a gun fight? If the answer is yes go Minmatar, if not go Gallente. Dedicated Logibro, Gunner, Counter-Sniper
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 865	Posted - 2014.04.08 18:26:00 - [20] - Quote Sourdough Muffins wrote: Minmatar is a great solo suit. You can run around hacking objectives all day long and assassinate those lonely point defenders in the outer objectives with your Nova Knives. Gallente is a great Cal Scout/Medium Frame hunter. A squad of Cloaked Shotgun Gal Scouts can wreck face. Invisible to everyone while being able to see everyone(minus other Gal Scouts). A thinking man's suit unless you brick tank then you just suck :P My favorite fitting on my main - ADV eWAR Gal Scout: 2x Complex Precision Enhancers 1x Complex Damp 2x Complex Range Amps (OR - 1x Complex Range Amp & 1x Complex Kincat) Adv Cloak CRG-3 Shotgun Breach ScP Locus Grenade Well you're not seeing any scout with a damp and cloak. Plus any Cal Scout will see you when you're not cloaked. That seems small but all I have to know is that you are/were in the area and I'll find you. To the OP- Gallente over Minnie. Minnie just are so limited by their PG. Gallente on the other hand have tons of fitting space.

Aria Gomes R 0 N 1 N 371	Posted - 2014.04.08 18:31:00 - [21] - Quote Try Minmatar Scout. You might like it. I run mine with sidearms only a lot and do okay with it. Pistol/Knives and SMG/Knives will be your friend in city maps. I sometimes run CR/Knives too I never really tired the ACR so I can't comment on it.
Thanjac Ruthless Chaos 146	Posted - 2014.04.08 18:42:00 - [22] - Quote I am a Minmatar Scout, they are a lot of fun, especially when you kill one red in a group of reds that called in a tank, then hack the tank and go on a killing spree with the reds tank. To those who say it has pg/cpu problems, I don't have many problems Are you trying to fit all pro mods on basic? Minnando Lord, FEAR MY MD & CR "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
Thanjac Ruthless Chaos 146	Posted - 2014.04.08 18:45:00 - [23] - Quote Aria Gomes wrote: Try Minmatar Scout. You might like it. I run mine with sidearms only a lot and do okay with it. Pistol/Knives and SMG/Knives will be your friend in city maps. I sometimes run CR/Knives too I never really tired the ACR so I can't comment on it. I like the ARR on it, I don't have it on my scout yet, but tried it before the dropsuit command respec. I just don't like the ACR, even on my minnando. Minnando Lord, FEAR MY MD & CR "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
Toby Flenderson research lab 458	Posted - 2014.04.08 18:50:00 - [24] - Quote I have both and the caldari haha. If you get the hack speed up then the minmatar is ridiculous. I can cloak back the objective in the research facility while the enemy is holding it down just because it's so fast and cloaks are cool. The nova knife damage is ridiculous as well. That being said, the gallente seems like less of a specialized role. You basically never have to worry too much about being scanned with the skills up and maybe a dampener but the you're good for just scanning the rest of the scouts. I use it with 2 complex precision enhancers and 2 complex range amps (adv suit). With cloaks bein so viable, you don't need much ehp and so you can fit this suit however you want pretty much and be successful. I still prefer the hack speed of the minmatar, totally changes my attitude in Dom/skirm. Also you can back the lags that heavies brig to attack you. They tend to think you're hiding haha.
Yan Darn Science For Death 538	Posted - 2014.04.08 19:03:00 - [25] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: You know i don't brick tank, and its why i'm suggesting skilling into the minmatar. Of course I was emphasising that I was aware of this and I was assuming you were likely considering the min for the similar reasons as I am - more base mobility, recovery and general badassery I'd hate for their to be a misunderstanding. Suggesting an old time gal scout of brick tanking is a bit like suggesting a 'rags to riches' guy came from a privileged background. Or something. The Ghost of Bravo
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 236	Posted - 2014.04.08 19:55:00 - [26] - Quote Aria Gomes wrote: Try Minmatar Scout. You might like it. I run mine with sidearms only a lot and do okay with it. Pistol/Knives and SMG/Knives will be your friend in city maps. I sometimes run CR/Knives too I never really tired the ACR so I can't comment on it. ACR is probably the best rifle in the game atm. The Six Kin will melt everything like butter if it's in the optimal range. "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 236	Posted - 2014.04.08 19:55:00 - [27] - Quote Thanjac wrote: I am a Minmatar Scout, they are a lot of fun, especially when you kill one red in a group of reds that called in a tank, then hack the tank and go on a killing spree with the reds tank. To those who say it has pg/cpu problems, I don't have many problems Are you trying to fit all pro mods on basic? try fitting 3 kin cats without getting pg gimped. "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1186	Posted - 2014.04.08 20:13:00 - [28] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Thanjac wrote: I am a Minmatar Scout, they are a lot of fun, especially when you kill one red in a group of reds that called in a tank, then hack the tank and go on a killing spree with the reds tank. To those who say it has pg/cpu problems, I don't have many problems Are you trying to fit all pro mods on basic? try fitting 3 kin cats without getting pg gimped. Exactly why i'm not sure if i want to skill into it... *Assassination is my thing.*
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 237	Posted - 2014.04.08 20:41:00 - [29] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Bormir1r wrote: Thanjac wrote: I am a Minmatar Scout, they are a lot of fun, especially when you kill one red in a group of reds that called in a tank, then hack the tank and go on a killing spree with the reds tank. To those who say it has pg/cpu problems, I don't have many problems Are you trying to fit all pro mods on basic? try fitting 3 kin cats without getting pg gimped. Exactly why i'm not sure if i want to skill into it... I would actually urge you to spec into Min, but be careful at how you play at it. Shield tanking is broken in this game, so you have to rely on the min's speed to beat people, which is also hard to do. So if you want to spec Min, be ready for some hard matches. "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
Sourdough Muffins Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 61	Posted - 2014.04.08 21:23:00 - [30] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Sourdough Muffins wrote: Minmatar is a great solo suit. You can run around hacking objectives all day long and assassinate those lonely point defenders in the outer objectives with your Nova Knives. Gallente is a great Cal Scout/Medium Frame hunter. A squad of Cloaked Shotgun Gal Scouts can wreck face. Invisible to everyone while being able to see everyone(minus other Gal Scouts). A thinking man's suit unless you brick tank then you just suck :P My favorite fitting on my main - ADV eWAR Gal Scout: 2x Complex Precision Enhancers 1x Complex Damp 2x Complex Range Amps (OR - 1x Complex Range Amp & 1x Complex Kincat) Adv Cloak CRG-3 Shotgun Breach ScP Locus Grenade Well you're not seeing any scout with a damp and cloak. Plus any Cal Scout will see you when you're not cloaked. That seems small but all I have to know is that you are/were in the area and I'll find you. To the OP- Gallente over Minnie. Minnie just are so limited by their PG. Gallente on the other hand have tons of fitting space. I'm cloaked 95% of the match so it has not been a problem thus far. Also, the majority of Cal Scouts I run into are FoTM chasers and are stacking Complex Shield Extenders. If I do run into a really good Cal Scout I will just swap out one of my Extenders for a second Damp and hunt them down. Only had to do this one time. The guy rage quit the match after I killed his shiny Proto Cal Scout a couple of times. EDIT: Also, I do see Scouts all the time. Its called not relying on my radar. I use my trained senses from Battlefield where they don't have wallhacks... errm I'm sorry Tac-Net to crutch yourself upon.



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