DUST Search - The gallante scout needs a nerf...

Vespasian Andendare wrote:

Sourdough Muffins wrote:

Sir Dukey wrote:

450+ armor, 9+ armor repair per sec, unscannable, invisible, fast, stafes like a bch and can scan everything is OP... I say remove the 3 armor repair per second. Giving them the 3 armor repair per sec gives them to chance to run more armor plates. It's so freking annoying seeing a 600+ ehp mother fking scout suit. Give the 3 armor repair to the gallante assault.

I don't know about many other people but my main only has 300~ eHP and the standard 3 armor rep rate. The 9+ rep rate is only possible if you add a Complex Armor Rep and 450+ armor is only possible if you stack plates. You are describing a brick tank Scout... which is incredibly stupid sacrificing your eWAR advantage for eHP. Only an Assault player would think this is good.

This. A lot of people are quick to complain about the cloak being the primary problem, but really it's only a side issue. My 12k scout suits I run have 2x militia armor plates only for defense, and I only have ~350 armor or so with the 3 innate repair. Most of my kills involve looking at the radar and coming up behind someone. I don't need a cloak to come up behind someone. People really need to be more situationally aware before crying for nerfs on the forums.

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Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 566	Posted - 2014.04.07 21:20:00 - [1] - Quote 450+ armor, 9+ armor repair per sec, unscannable, invisible, fast, stafes like a bch and can scan everything is OP... I say remove the 3 armor repair per second. Giving them the 3 armor repair per sec gives them to chance to run more armor plates. It's so freking annoying seeing a 600+ ehp mother fking scout suit. Give the 3 armor repair to the gallante assault.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1703	Posted - 2014.04.07 21:21:00 - [2] - Quote if the scout is running that much armor they have nerfed themself.... "I speak for the trees!" Ko6 scout,
Zimander 37	Posted - 2014.04.07 21:22:00 - [3] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: 450+ armor, 9+ armor repair per sec, unscannable, invisible, fast, stafes like a bch and can scan everything is OP... I say remove the 3 armor repair per second. Giving them the 3 armor repair per sec gives them to chance to run more armor plates. It's so freking annoying seeing a 600+ ehp mother fking scout suit. Give the 3 armor repair to the gallante assault. NOPE
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1345	Posted - 2014.04.07 21:28:00 - [4] - Quote Lolno Cal scout is better If I could respec i would go cal scout
Jackof All-Trades The Black Renaissance 564	Posted - 2014.04.07 21:32:00 - [5] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: if the scout is running that much armor they have nerfed themself.... This. I don't run armour mods unless I'm planning on tackling a heavy and need that half a second more time to kill him. Armour sucks on scouts. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
ratamaq doc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 501	Posted - 2014.04.07 21:34:00 - [6] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Lolno Cal scout is better If I could respec i would go cal scout Agreed, I knew scanners were going to be **** this build, but I didn't realise HOW ****. Cal Scout is the best counter to the cloak at the moment. Gal is better at everything else, and avoiding the few Cal Scouts. YouTube
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 566	Posted - 2014.04.07 21:35:00 - [7] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: if the scout is running that much armor they have nerfed themself.... obviously not since they are always going 30 n 2 when I play them.
Sourdough Muffins Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2014.04.07 21:36:00 - [8] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: 450+ armor, 9+ armor repair per sec, unscannable, invisible, fast, stafes like a bch and can scan everything is OP... I say remove the 3 armor repair per second. Giving them the 3 armor repair per sec gives them to chance to run more armor plates. It's so freking annoying seeing a 600+ ehp mother fking scout suit. Give the 3 armor repair to the gallante assault. I don't know about many other people but my main only has 300~ eHP and the standard 3 armor rep rate. The 9+ rep rate is only possible if you add a Complex Armor Rep and 450+ armor is only possible if you stack plates. You are describing a brick tank Scout... which is incredibly stupid sacrificing your eWAR advantage for eHP. Only an Assault player would think this is good.
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 802	Posted - 2014.04.07 21:45:00 - [9] - Quote Sourdough Muffins wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: 450+ armor, 9+ armor repair per sec, unscannable, invisible, fast, stafes like a bch and can scan everything is OP... I say remove the 3 armor repair per second. Giving them the 3 armor repair per sec gives them to chance to run more armor plates. It's so freking annoying seeing a 600+ ehp mother fking scout suit. Give the 3 armor repair to the gallante assault. I don't know about many other people but my main only has 300~ eHP and the standard 3 armor rep rate. The 9+ rep rate is only possible if you add a Complex Armor Rep and 450+ armor is only possible if you stack plates. You are describing a brick tank Scout... which is incredibly stupid sacrificing your eWAR advantage for eHP. Only an Assault player would think this is good. This. A lot of people are quick to complain about the cloak being the primary problem, but really it's only a side issue. My 12k scout suits I run have 2x militia armor plates only for defense, and I only have ~350 armor or so with the 3 innate repair. Most of my kills involve looking at the radar and coming up behind someone. I don't need a cloak to come up behind someone. People really need to be more situationally aware before crying for nerfs on the forums. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1711	Posted - 2014.04.07 21:46:00 - [10] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: Sourdough Muffins wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: 450+ armor, 9+ armor repair per sec, unscannable, invisible, fast, stafes like a bch and can scan everything is OP... I say remove the 3 armor repair per second. Giving them the 3 armor repair per sec gives them to chance to run more armor plates. It's so freking annoying seeing a 600+ ehp mother fking scout suit. Give the 3 armor repair to the gallante assault. I don't know about many other people but my main only has 300~ eHP and the standard 3 armor rep rate. The 9+ rep rate is only possible if you add a Complex Armor Rep and 450+ armor is only possible if you stack plates. You are describing a brick tank Scout... which is incredibly stupid sacrificing your eWAR advantage for eHP. Only an Assault player would think this is good. This. A lot of people are quick to complain about the cloak being the primary problem, but really it's only a side issue. My 12k scout suits I run have 2x militia armor plates only for defense, and I only have ~350 armor or so with the 3 innate repair. Most of my kills involve looking at the radar and coming up behind someone. I don't need a cloak to come up behind someone. People really need to be more situationally aware before crying for nerfs on the forums. Placebo effect of scanners getting nerfed or changed... Eye sight is OP in 1.8.. Alot more OP then any scout.

Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 252	Posted - 2014.04.07 21:50:00 - [11] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Lolno Cal scout is better If I could respec i would go cal scout Same. Cal scout is where its act. I have it on an alt and i love it.
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 1034	Posted - 2014.04.07 21:50:00 - [12] - Quote Gallente scout has 3 SMG rounds of shield. The rest is armor. Removing their armor repair hinders them to the point that they can't run anything except repping hives. What goes good with repping hives? Plates. Lots of plates. Sometimes ya just feel like surfin
Oxskull Duncarino Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 516	Posted - 2014.04.07 21:53:00 - [13] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: if the scout is running that much armor they have nerfed themself.... Don't expect much using sensible responses to these types of threads as they tend to go right over their heads. "Science has not yet taught us if madness is or is not the sublimity of the intelligence." -- Edgar Allan Poe
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7838	Posted - 2014.04.07 22:09:00 - [14] - Quote So they sacrificed being able to hide from scanners in favor of a little more ehp? Lol. A true Gallente scout wouldn't need any of that ehp if they stick to hiding and flanking. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Boot Booter Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 377	Posted - 2014.04.07 22:16:00 - [15] - Quote Nope, just all medium frames need a buff.
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 398	Posted - 2014.04.07 22:21:00 - [16] - Quote Absolutely not. Do something like this and you're only nerfing those of us that don't use brick tanking. Anyone who brick tanks a scout suit is stupid anyway as it defeats the purpose. I already lost my passive armor reps on my logi suit from the new update. I don't need to loose it again on another suit of which it was one aspect I purposefully specced into it. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
Sir Dukey KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 568	Posted - 2014.04.07 22:22:00 - [17] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: Absolutely not. Do something like this and you're only nerfing those of us that don't use brick tanking. Anyone who brick tanks a scout suit is stupid anyway as it defeats the purpose. I already lost my passive armor reps on my logi suit from the new update. I don't need to loose it again on another suit of which it was one aspect I purposefully specced into it. So? You know in 1.7 people were actaul logis and some were slayers. Logis got nerfed. It didn't affect the role of actual logis...
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 120	Posted - 2014.04.07 22:37:00 - [18] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: 450+ armor, 9+ armor repair per sec, unscannable, invisible, fast, stafes like a bch and can scan everything is OP... I say remove the 3 armor repair per second. Giving them the 3 armor repair per sec gives them to chance to run more armor plates. It's so freking annoying seeing a 600+ ehp mother fking scout suit. Give the 3 armor repair to the gallante assault. NO If 450+ armor = no way it can repair at 9+/sec. If it has 450 armor = not unscannable or fast if 600+ ehp = can't scan everything. You describe what seems to be a noob in a proto suit. It can be picked up and killed by an ADV or even STD with a cheaper and better fit. Or be caught by a proto scanner, even an advanced one by a lvl 5 GalLogi. Don't touch this suit.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2707	Posted - 2014.04.07 22:40:00 - [19] - Quote Op is a tard. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 399	Posted - 2014.04.07 22:44:00 - [20] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: Absolutely not. Do something like this and you're only nerfing those of us that don't use brick tanking. Anyone who brick tanks a scout suit is stupid anyway as it defeats the purpose. I already lost my passive armor reps on my logi suit from the new update. I don't need to loose it again on another suit of which it was one aspect I purposefully specced into it. So? You know in 1.7 people were actaul logis and some were slayers. Logis got nerfed. It didn't affect the role of actual logis... You're right, I was one back then and still am. However the loss of that bonus was more of an inconvenience than anything. Loosing it on a scout suit will be much more irritating because of the already less armor I have. I don't brick tank scout suits. I use either one armor plate or none depending on the match. The rest is all kin cats and either dampeners or cardiac. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.

tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 85	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:02:00 - [21] - Quote Yes, a nerf to gallente is good. Amarr is supposed to be the true brick tankers around here! Recruiter link here: https://dust514.com/recruit/FepTs1/ Try and steal my BPOs. I dare ya. AMARRIAN4LYFE
Happy Jack SD Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 107	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:05:00 - [22] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: 450+ armor, 9+ armor repair per sec, unscannable, invisible, fast, stafes like a bch and can scan everything is OP... I say remove the 3 armor repair per second. Giving them the 3 armor repair per sec gives them to chance to run more armor plates. It's so freking annoying seeing a 600+ ehp mother fking scout suit. Give the 3 armor repair to the gallante assault. You realize that all the things you complain about are entirely different builds, right? 450 armour w/ 9+ reps a second is at least 3 plates and a complex repper, and slow as hell. A unscannable, scanning platform requires 1 high and at least 2 lows (extender, dampener and precision). 600+ eHP is either all plates (and no reppers, ewar, or kinkats), or 2 plates and 2 complex extenders (massive PG sink). Do you even scout? "Have faith lest your unbelief consume you." -The Bleeding Chalice
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1182	Posted - 2014.04.07 23:42:00 - [23] - Quote Giving them (me) 3 armor repair a sec is because scouts need more recharge, amarr scout replaces repair for armor. *Assassination is my thing.*
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 400	Posted - 2014.04.08 01:52:00 - [24] - Quote Happy Jack SD wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: 450+ armor, 9+ armor repair per sec, unscannable, invisible, fast, stafes like a bch and can scan everything is OP... I say remove the 3 armor repair per second. Giving them the 3 armor repair per sec gives them to chance to run more armor plates. It's so freking annoying seeing a 600+ ehp mother fking scout suit. Give the 3 armor repair to the gallante assault. You realize that all the things you complain about are entirely different builds, right? 450 armour w/ 9+ reps a second is at least 3 plates and a complex repper, and slow as hell. A unscannable, scanning platform requires 1 high and at least 2 lows (extender, dampener and precision). 600+ eHP is either all plates (and no reppers, ewar, or kinkats), or 2 plates and 2 complex extenders (can't equip percision enhancers so can barely see anything on scans, also a massive PG sink). This just comes accross as knee-jerk QQ, did a Gal scout sh!t in your cheerios? You summed that up quite well Happy. Like you said, it is all entirely different builds. Either people are going to brick tank and be slow and easily discoverable by scanners and Caldari scouts, or you're going to run E-WAR and speed mods. I've killed lots of brick tanked scouts with shotgun blasts because I could out run them and they didn't see me. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
Aythadis Smith G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 188	Posted - 2014.04.08 03:27:00 - [25] - Quote Happy Jack SD wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: 450+ armor, 9+ armor repair per sec, unscannable, invisible, fast, stafes like a bch and can scan everything is OP... I say remove the 3 armor repair per second. Giving them the 3 armor repair per sec gives them to chance to run more armor plates. It's so freking annoying seeing a 600+ ehp mother fking scout suit. Give the 3 armor repair to the gallante assault. You realize that all the things you complain about are entirely different builds, right? 450 armour w/ 9+ reps a second is at least 3 plates and a complex repper, and slow as hell. A unscannable, scanning platform requires 1 high and at least 2 lows (extender, dampener and precision). 600+ eHP is either all plates (and no reppers, ewar, or kinkats), or 2 plates and 2 complex extenders (can't equip percision enhancers so can barely see anything on scans, also a massive PG sink). This just comes accross as knee-jerk QQ, did a Gal scout sh!t in your cheerios? +1 There just is not enough slots for perfect invisibility, scan precision, and that many plates. Oh and rep.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9323	Posted - 2014.04.08 04:18:00 - [26] - Quote Aythadis Smith wrote: Happy Jack SD wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: 450+ armor, 9+ armor repair per sec, unscannable, invisible, fast, stafes like a bch and can scan everything is OP... I say remove the 3 armor repair per second. Giving them the 3 armor repair per sec gives them to chance to run more armor plates. It's so freking annoying seeing a 600+ ehp mother fking scout suit. Give the 3 armor repair to the gallante assault. You realize that all the things you complain about are entirely different builds, right? 450 armour w/ 9+ reps a second is at least 3 plates and a complex repper, and slow as hell. A unscannable, scanning platform requires 1 high and at least 2 lows (extender, dampener and precision). 600+ eHP is either all plates (and no reppers, ewar, or kinkats), or 2 plates and 2 complex extenders (can't equip percision enhancers so can barely see anything on scans, also a massive PG sink). This just comes accross as knee-jerk QQ, did a Gal scout sh!t in your cheerios? +1 There just is not enough slots for perfect invisibility, scan precision, and that many plates. Oh and rep. Admittedly the Gal Scout does not need a 3 reps per second passive ability. You cannot argue against than when no other suit gets it...... , 1 per second maybe but not 3. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 725	Posted - 2014.04.08 04:26:00 - [27] - Quote JP Acuna wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: 450+ armor, 9+ armor repair per sec, unscannable, invisible, fast, stafes like a bch and can scan everything is OP... I say remove the 3 armor repair per second. Giving them the 3 armor repair per sec gives them to chance to run more armor plates. It's so freking annoying seeing a 600+ ehp mother fking scout suit. Give the 3 armor repair to the gallante assault. NO If 450+ armor = no way it can repair at 9+/sec. If it has 450 armor = not unscannable or fast if 600+ ehp = can't scan everything. You describe what seems to be a noob in a proto suit. It can be picked up and killed by an ADV or even STD with a cheaper and better fit. Or be caught by a proto scanner, even an advanced one by a lvl 5 GalLogi. Don't touch this suit. Actually I just checked: 2 complex armor plates 1 complex armor repper 1 complex dampner 2 complex precision enhancers scan profile of 17.72 becomes 13.29 cloaked unscannable 2 complex armor plates gives you 459 armor HP 1 complex armor rep gives you 9.25 HP/sec 2 complex precision enhancers bring his passive scans down to 23.79 dB, meaning he scans everything that doesn't have a dampner fitted even while cloaked (cept for the gallente scout, he can see that without cloak and damp.) Movement is 4.92 (0.33 slower than the amarr scout with nothing equipped) walk 7.23 sprint(0.52 slower than the amarr scout with nothing equipped.) So yes to the first and second one. Fixing swarms
JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 123	Posted - 2014.04.08 04:49:00 - [28] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Giving them (me) 3 armor repair a sec is because scouts need more recharge, amarr scout replaces repair for armor. ^This! I have <300 total ehp in my Gal scout suited for ewar, i can't sacrifice anything for reps. If i want to tank it a bit, i use a complex ferroscale, which i think grants only 75 hp (plus bonus i guess). Amarr can fit reps instead of that or even reactive plates to a similar or better ehp.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2212	Posted - 2014.04.08 04:52:00 - [29] - Quote Hmm, a lot of of guys already posted what I wanted to say, so I'll think of something else. The Gallente Scout is fine. It is supposed to be unscannable. It's what separates us from the other scouts. If they reach 600hp, they are a sitting duck if you catch them alone away from cover. You can't speed, buffer, and E-War tank at the same time. Scan everything? You'll need CPX precision and range amps to go nicely with your suit. Range takes away low slots (armor) and precision takes away high slots (shields) Yes we can strafe better with plates than our own medium WITHOUT plates. I agree this is horrible. It's not the suit that's OP, you are just not able to counter him effectively due to a factor in your side.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2149	Posted - 2014.04.08 05:33:00 - [30] - Quote 3x Complex reactive plates 1x Enhanced profile damp 2x Complex shield extenders Proto ACR Breach ScP Standard cloak Compact hive Pretty good build if you ask me. Alt#1 Scout gk.0 - ScR, CR, RR, PLC, SMG Alt#2 Madrugar - Ion Cannon Alt#3 Commando gk.0 - Shotgun, AR



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