DUST Search - gamebreaking insta-kills

Harpyja wrote:

Izlare Lenix wrote:

Harpyja wrote:

Roy Ventus wrote:

Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts).

RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now.

Except that AV isn't weak anymore.

Against certain fits, solo AV is still weak by comparison to soloing in a tank. Even with the hardner nerf solo av mainly just pushes tanks away. Only really good forgers, with a prime location, can solo kill a tank. Most others will either be killed by said tank, or the tank will simply move away from the forgers position.

The reason tanks seem to be easy to use solo is because of the tiericide in 1.7 and with little emphasis on SP cost. Bring back tiers and bring back the SP costs needed to have a decent tank and tanks won't be such a problem.

Also, I must disagree. Not everyone should be able to take out a tank solo. In fact, the majority shouldn't be able to; only the really skilled players should be able to.

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ROCKO THE HELLHOUND Ultramarine Corp 41	Posted - 2014.04.06 11:41:00 - [1] - Quote i don't care what it is that makes Scouts OP ATM - but if the opposing team ain't a bunch of total noobs and you are not going to run vehicles - but spawn in any Dropsuit that ain't a dampened Cloak-Scout, you are nothing but fodder for the Scouts that uncloak every 20 seconds behind you and practically insta-kill you. also - RE's, Jihad-Jeeps and Suicide-Dropships are insta-kill methods - and whenever there is an insta-kill method in a game where you need to grind out the last percentages of tankyness for ages - it automatically brakes this game then. GG CCP, plz. fix... .
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1608	Posted - 2014.04.06 11:48:00 - [2] - Quote Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." http://royventus.tumblr.com
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2481	Posted - 2014.04.06 11:49:00 - [3] - Quote Plasma Cannons are OP! They instakill! This game isn't about getting the most EHP anymore... Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 448	Posted - 2014.04.06 11:52:00 - [4] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Plasma Cannons are OP! They instakill! This game isn't about getting the most EHP anymore... PLC is OP! Nerf the PLC! But really, I agree.
Ace Boone G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 93	Posted - 2014.04.06 11:53:00 - [5] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. Jihad jeeps are not cool at all. Losing a 250-500k tank to a free lav with a couple of remotes and a standard fit is ludicrous. Hardeners should ALWAYS win over jihads. Its the nber one cause of me losing tanks, i eat rails and forges for breakfast meh.
Zelorian Dexter snr Vanguardian Remnant 188	Posted - 2014.04.06 11:55:00 - [6] - Quote Umm regarding jeep get a squad member to rig you up with REs drive upto the tank. Shout whatever code word you have decided on. Tank pops you drive off with a smile on your face
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12065	Posted - 2014.04.06 11:55:00 - [7] - Quote Whining about cloaked scouts? Use your damn eyes. Look around. Of course if you stare in one direction with your eyes half closed you're not going to see a cloaked scout sneaking up on you. They're blindingly obvious if you're looking for them. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 508	Posted - 2014.04.06 12:02:00 - [8] - Quote Can't say that swarms are weak anymore . Just not true . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2481	Posted - 2014.04.06 12:06:00 - [9] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. Jihad jeeps are not cool at all. Losing a 250-500k tank to a free lav with a couple of remotes and a standard fit is ludicrous. Hardeners should ALWAYS win over jihads. Its the nber one cause of me losing tanks, i eat rails and forges for breakfast Get an awareness of your situation bro... Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2614	Posted - 2014.04.06 12:07:00 - [10] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. Once the skill bug is fixed this will become a filthy barefaced lie. Until then... ak.0 4 LYFE je ne regrette rien

Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2482	Posted - 2014.04.06 12:10:00 - [11] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. Once the skill bug is fixed this will become a filthy barefaced lie. Until then... The skill bug only lasts like 15 seconds after you spawn... Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 781	Posted - 2014.04.06 12:13:00 - [12] - Quote So my nova knives are overpoweref? I have to be sitting on your head to get in hitting range. // Fully Specced Mass Driver Expert // Proto Min Scout // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guard Director //
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 78	Posted - 2014.04.06 12:28:00 - [13] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. Once the skill bug is fixed this will become a filthy barefaced lie. Until then... The skill bug only lasts like 15 seconds after you spawn... It's been recorded to last a lot longer, up to a minute. Makes the AV role a real chore until it the stats kick in. Purifier. First Class.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 270	Posted - 2014.04.06 12:31:00 - [14] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. Jihad jeeps are not cool at all. Losing a 250-500k tank to a free lav with a couple of remotes and a standard fit is ludicrous. Hardeners should ALWAYS win over jihads. Its the nber one cause of me losing tanks, i eat rails and forges for breakfast So you can survive all other forms of AV, except Jihad Jeeps? Yet, somehow you believe JJeeps need to go. The fact that JJeeps are the only method that have successfully countered your tank, is just a symptom of the real issue. That AV sucks hairy baboon balls ATM.
Yeeeuuuupppp KILL-EM-QUICK 234	Posted - 2014.04.06 12:59:00 - [15] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Plasma Cannons are OP! They instakill! This game isn't about getting the most EHP anymore... Oh really... I shot a mlt amarr heavy, direct hit and it left him at 30 armor and he turned around, laughed and murdered me.... BUFF THAT SONUVABITCH CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9 Mic status: Muted Feel the wrath of my troll
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 627	Posted - 2014.04.06 13:02:00 - [16] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. Jihad jeeps are not cool at all. Losing a 250-500k tank to a free lav with a couple of remotes and a standard fit is ludicrous. Hardeners should ALWAYS win over jihads. Its the nber one cause of me losing tanks, i eat rails and forges for breakfast kill it before it gets to you, or at least the driver It'll help define roles, i promise:)
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 595	Posted - 2014.04.06 13:22:00 - [17] - Quote ROCKO THE HELLHOUND wrote: i don't care what it is that makes Scouts OP ATM - but if the opposing team ain't a bunch of total noobs and you are not going to run vehicles - but spawn in any Dropsuit that ain't a dampened Cloak-Scout, you are nothing but fodder for the Scouts that uncloak every 20 seconds behind you and practically insta-kill you. also - RE's, Jihad-Jeeps and Suicide-Dropships are insta-kill methods - and whenever there is an insta-kill method in a game where you need to grind out the last percentages of tankyness for ages - it automatically brakes this game then. GG CCP, plz. fix... . Reads corp name and remember s the countless times they que synced an brought out 5 ADS, 3 tanks, and 5/8 cloakys with shotguns, so keep crying looks good on you! My remotes got NERFED cuz you whine like a B!+Gé¼[-]!
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 324	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:02:00 - [18] - Quote Commando melee OP NEEEEEERRRFFFFFFF IT OHK OMGWTFHELICOPTER!!!!!!!!!!
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 468	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:20:00 - [19] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Commando melee OP NEEEEEERRRFFFFFFF IT OHK OMGWTFHELICOPTER!!!!!!!!!! Cal-comms facon punching at a 1000hp ftw! Rail rifle + Bolt Pistol= death at >50meters. Under 50, I die. You can edit my posts, but you can't edit my sig
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 365	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:21:00 - [20] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. Jihad jeeps are not cool at all. Losing a 250-500k tank to a free lav with a couple of remotes and a standard fit is ludicrous. Hardeners should ALWAYS win over jihads. Its the nber one cause of me losing tanks, i eat rails and forges for breakfast Your words are a prime example of why jihad jeeps are a valid tactic. AV is broke. You tankers think you should be able to solo kill everyone all day and it should take a team to kill you. Yet when there is an effective option to solo kill a tank, like jihad jeep, you scream and yell about how "unfair" it is and your tank should always win against it. Tankers are the biggest pussies and whiners in this game. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.

Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1522	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:26:00 - [21] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. Except that AV isn't weak anymore. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32 Atiim didn't agree with limiting tanks!
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 2100	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:37:00 - [22] - Quote While we explore the topic of gamebreaking insta-kill, lets roll back the clock a 'bit: Uprising 1.0 - Tac AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.50 sec TTK Uprising 1.1 - Tac AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.50 sec TTK Uprising 1.2 - AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.50 sec TTK Uprising 1.3 - AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.35 sec TTK Uprising 1.4 - AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.35 sec TTK Uprising 1.5 - AR or ScR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.25 sec TTK Uprising 1.6 - Any Fine Rifle vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.50 sec TTK Uprising 1.7 - Any Fine Rifle vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.75 sec TTK So that's the past year, in a nutshell. If sudden death by shotgun-to-the-back gets under your skin. Imagine sudden death by AR fire, from 75 meters away. :: Extends Tissue ::
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 366	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:38:00 - [23] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. Except that AV isn't weak anymore. Against certain fits, solo AV is still weak by comparison to soloing in a tank. Even with the hardner nerf solo av mainly just pushes tanks away. Only really good forgers, with a prime location, can solo kill a tank. Most others will either be killed by said tank, or the tank will simply move away from the forgers position. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1183	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:41:00 - [24] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. Jihad jeeps are not cool at all. Losing a 250-500k tank to a free lav with a couple of remotes and a standard fit is ludicrous. Hardeners should ALWAYS win over jihads. Its the nber one cause of me losing tanks, i eat rails and forges for breakfast how weak are you? The 7-10 games I go without losing a tank make up for the rare jlav. Most times they can only do damage on flat ground. Crush them
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1522	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:50:00 - [25] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Harpyja wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. Except that AV isn't weak anymore. Against certain fits, solo AV is still weak by comparison to soloing in a tank. Even with the hardner nerf solo av mainly just pushes tanks away. Only really good forgers, with a prime location, can solo kill a tank. Most others will either be killed by said tank, or the tank will simply move away from the forgers position. The reason tanks seem to be easy to use solo is because of the tiericide in 1.7 and with little emphasis on SP cost. Bring back tiers and bring back the SP costs needed to have a decent tank and tanks won't be such a problem. Also, I must disagree. Not everyone should be able to take out a tank solo. In fact, the majority shouldn't be able to; only the really skilled players should be able to. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32 Atiim didn't agree with limiting tanks!
emm kay Federal State Marines Canis Eliminatus Operatives 74	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:51:00 - [26] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Plasma Cannons are OP! They instakill! This game isn't about getting the most EHP anymore... PLC is OP! Nerf the PLC! But really, I agree. I was a scout with a cloak 'n PLC yesterday. It was hilarious. -- You called, sir?
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 427	Posted - 2014.04.06 16:00:00 - [27] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: [quote=Roy Ventus]Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. Jihad jeeps are not cool at all. Losing a 250-500k tank to a free lav with a couple of remotes and a standard fit is ludicrous. Hardeners should ALWAYS win over jihads. Its the nber one cause of me losing tanks, i eat rails and forges for breakfast I have the feeling the irony of that statement is lost on you. Because, that's why.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 872	Posted - 2014.04.06 16:01:00 - [28] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. Once the skill bug is fixed this will become a filthy barefaced lie. Until then... The skill bug only lasts like 15 seconds after you spawn... Lasts much longer on my commando then my scout. Can't count the times I've died because I was missing that HP. 1.8 better then 1.7 but not by much. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 427	Posted - 2014.04.06 16:02:00 - [29] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Can't say that swarms are weak anymore . Just not true . What do you think has changed about swarms? They haven't changed them. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 427	Posted - 2014.04.06 16:16:00 - [30] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Harpyja wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. Except that AV isn't weak anymore. Against certain fits, solo AV is still weak by comparison to soloing in a tank. Even with the hardner nerf solo av mainly just pushes tanks away. Only really good forgers, with a prime location, can solo kill a tank. Most others will either be killed by said tank, or the tank will simply move away from the forgers position. The reason tanks seem to be easy to use solo is because of the tiericide in 1.7 and with little emphasis on SP cost. Bring back tiers and bring back the SP costs needed to have a decent tank and tanks won't be such a problem. Also, I must disagree. Not everyone should be able to take out a tank solo. In fact, the majority shouldn't be able to; only the really skilled players should be able to. Why? Why should every tanker be able to solo anyone not a tanker yet only really good players running an AV fit be able to solo a tanker? Because you spent 10X the ISK? First off, you probably didn't , secondly in every other category in DUST a 10X ISK investment buys you only a small advantage. A CR to a RS-90 is a 10X difference and you get 10% DPS difference. Why should a tankers 10X ISK buy a 400% difference? Because, that's why.



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