DUST Search - gamebreaking insta-kills

Harpyja wrote:

Izlare Lenix wrote:

Harpyja wrote:

Roy Ventus wrote:

Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts).

RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now.

Except that AV isn't weak anymore.

Against certain fits, solo AV is still weak by comparison to soloing in a tank. Even with the hardner nerf solo av mainly just pushes tanks away. Only really good forgers, with a prime location, can solo kill a tank. Most others will either be killed by said tank, or the tank will simply move away from the forgers position.

The reason tanks seem to be easy to use solo is because of the tiericide in 1.7 and with little emphasis on SP cost. Bring back tiers and bring back the SP costs needed to have a decent tank and tanks won't be such a problem.

Also, I must disagree. Not everyone should be able to take out a tank solo. In fact, the majority shouldn't be able to; only the really skilled players should be able to.

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byte modal 65	Posted - 2014.04.06 16:17:00 - [31] - Quote Eh, I've lasered cloaked scouts and have been lasered in turn, when cloaked. I've been shot out of cloak by AR commandos that never pinged on radar and have watched lines of cloaked scouts running single-file to the next objective. That was actually kinda cool. Anyway, my point is as bad of a player that I am, I'm still seeing cloaks and ruining their game when I can and it's happening to me just as much---I mean, if we're speaking only on opinion and anecdotal evidence and such. Shotgun is fun, but as cal scout I'm enjoying the AR more. I'll play with more weapons as I get more comfortable. My point is, sooner or later I have a feeling a lot of kills will be less de-cloaks at point-blank-range. Instead, save time by using cloak to get map advantage, then kill at range. That will put scouts pretty much at the place everyone else has been to the scout for some builds now. Just the scout will be able to get there faster and easier. I'm not complaining. Yesterday I saw a scout de-cloak on me as I was hacking an Objective. I instinctively backed off assuming he had a shotgun (who hasn't, since release?), pulled my AR and started to fire only to die instantly to his FG. It took me a minute to figure out wtf just happened. It was brilliant. Everyone started with SG. Now a lot of scouts SEEM to be switching it up learning to counter typical fits. That or they're getting bored. Either way, the scout class is diversifying and it's not been two weeks. In that same time, I'm seeing non-cloaked players adapt, visually scanning the area for blurry motion, and not just running blind into a hack. I wonder what another two weeks will bring? I repeat from another post: to kill a rabbit you have to think like a rabbit. Hell, we're pretty squishy if we're specced for hide-n-go-seek. Off topic, I'm really enjoying running up on another cloaked scout. He saw me but isn't quite sure where I am. So we spend the next 30+ seconds slowly moving in a circle hoping the other decides to run for it. That or shotgunning each other in the face for a double-kill. I always msg those with a big grin. Eh, I'm rambling. Move along.... these are not the droids you're looking for. - me. Irony: Post #35
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 2295	Posted - 2014.04.06 16:22:00 - [32] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. Jihad jeeps are not cool at all. Losing a 250-500k tank to a free lav with a couple of remotes and a standard fit is ludicrous. Hardeners should ALWAYS win over jihads. Its the nber one cause of me losing tanks, i eat rails and forges for breakfast if you suck at shooting so much that you cant kill the jeep within 300m, you're mad bc ur bad Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines. 549	Posted - 2014.04.06 16:26:00 - [33] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. And this "good portion" which thinks scouts are balanced are....scouts ! We have no problem with the fact scouts are cloaked or that they can be on our back every ten 10sec. The problem is their potential ehp which is.....really too high. 750ehp for a scouts that is cloaked AND always start a fight behind you is impossible to win. Let's take an exemple (proto) : (We could take heavies or logi or commando or assault it's the same.) Assault : 800/900ehp Scout : 750ehp. - Scout is cloaked -Scout is behind assault. - scout start the fight -scout makes approx 400 damage. (with Shotgun or Light weapon.) => (with actual DPS it's about 1.5 sec.) - Assault turn back and start shooting. Scout life : 750 Assault Life : 400. Scout hitbox is about 1/2 of other suits, they can dodge, strafe at very high speed. Assault (or anything else) die. This is the problem, scout will ALWAYS shoot the first, so IF he actually have near the same ehp than the other suit....then how the **** could you think it's balanced ? We just ask a lower scout potential ehp.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines. 550	Posted - 2014.04.06 16:29:00 - [34] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Ace Boone wrote: [quote=Roy Ventus]Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. Jihad jeeps are not cool at all. Losing a 250-500k tank to a free lav with a couple of remotes and a standard fit is ludicrous. Hardeners should ALWAYS win over jihads. Its the nber one cause of me losing tanks, i eat rails and forges for breakfast I have the feeling the irony of that statement is lost on you. "Hardeners should win agianst Jihad Jeep" And Anti-Vehicules stuff should win against vehicules, actually nope. Sorry but with less than 16 full sync Mercs AND 5/6 orbital strike from EVE, AND a Titan crashing into the Tank you can't actually destroy a STD tank. Do you think it's NORMAL ? Oh and i see you... "omg you suck last time i destroyed a tank with my AV stuff LOLLOLOL" Oh with triple proto stuff, suit and full squad you destroyed a MILITIA tank ? WOAAAW impressive He'll be back in ten seconds. While it takes you 10 ******* minutes to destoy it. Seems legit.
DISGRUNTLEDev 350	Posted - 2014.04.06 16:31:00 - [35] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: While we explore the topic of gamebreaking insta-kill, lets roll back the clock a 'bit: Uprising 1.0 - Tac AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.50 sec TTK Uprising 1.1 - Tac AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.50 sec TTK Uprising 1.2 - AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.50 sec TTK Uprising 1.3 - AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.35 sec TTK Uprising 1.4 - AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.35 sec TTK Uprising 1.5 - AR or ScR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.25 sec TTK Uprising 1.6 - Any Fine Rifle vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.50 sec TTK Uprising 1.7 - Any Fine Rifle vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.75 sec TTK So that's the past year, in a nutshell ... and the game's not broken. If sudden death by shotgun-to-the-back gets under your skin. Imagine sudden death by AR fire, from 75 meters away. :: Extends Tissue :: This. It actually takes longer to kill someone with a shotgun, still. I see you, but I still have to make it within 5m to kill you with a shotgun. Could take a long time to get in range.
Kindel Monix SMARTCREW Canis Eliminatus Operatives 7	Posted - 2014.04.06 16:31:00 - [36] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Plasma Cannons are OP! They instakill! This game isn't about getting the most EHP anymore... PLC is OP! Nerf the PLC! But really, I agree. I haven't even got hit by one of those yet. Even in my heavy. If you want to play Cod then go play. Other wise get used to playing with unusual weaponry.
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 2103	Posted - 2014.04.06 16:33:00 - [37] - Quote DISGRUNTLEDev wrote: Scout Registry wrote: While we explore the topic of gamebreaking insta-kill, lets roll back the clock a 'bit: Uprising 1.0 - Tac AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.50 sec TTK Uprising 1.1 - Tac AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.50 sec TTK Uprising 1.2 - AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.50 sec TTK Uprising 1.3 - AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.35 sec TTK Uprising 1.4 - AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.35 sec TTK Uprising 1.5 - AR or ScR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.25 sec TTK Uprising 1.6 - Any Fine Rifle vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.50 sec TTK Uprising 1.7 - Any Fine Rifle vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.75 sec TTK So that's the past year, in a nutshell ... and the game's not broken. If sudden death by shotgun-to-the-back gets under your skin. Imagine sudden death by AR fire, from 75 meters away. :: Extends Tissue :: This. It actually takes longer to kill someone with a shotgun, still. I see you, but I still have to make it within 5m to kill you with a shotgun. Could take a long time to get in range. Thank you, good sir. Indeed you are correct. And if that merc you're stalking has a friend? Or happens to look in your direction? Or happens to be of the fat variety? Well ... things just got complicated.
Jenza's Pants The Hetairoi 148	Posted - 2014.04.06 17:25:00 - [38] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. actually a large number dont think they are balanced. You just dont want your crutches kicked out from under you.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1183	Posted - 2014.04.06 17:30:00 - [39] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Harpyja wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Your opinion which isn't really backed up with much. A good portion of the community thinks that the scouts are balanced(with a good portion of that actual group being roles other than scouts). RE Jeeps are a fair tactic. You have to kill yourself to make them land and it's in response to the weak form of AV we have right now. Except that AV isn't weak anymore. Against certain fits, solo AV is still weak by comparison to soloing in a tank. Even with the hardner nerf solo av mainly just pushes tanks away. Only really good forgers, with a prime location, can solo kill a tank. Most others will either be killed by said tank, or the tank will simply move away from the forgers position. The reason tanks seem to be easy to use solo is because of the tiericide in 1.7 and with little emphasis on SP cost. Bring back tiers and bring back the SP costs needed to have a decent tank and tanks won't be such a problem. Also, I must disagree. Not everyone should be able to take out a tank solo. In fact, the majority shouldn't be able to; only the really skilled players should be able to. idiotic. This is why we have tank spam. Crush them
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2492	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:01:00 - [40] - Quote Kindel Monix wrote: m twiggz wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Plasma Cannons are OP! They instakill! This game isn't about getting the most EHP anymore... PLC is OP! Nerf the PLC! But really, I agree. I haven't even got hit by one of those yet. Even in my heavy. If you want to play Cod then go play. Other wise get used to playing with unusual weaponry. Our posts were dripping with sarcasm... Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle

Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 534	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:11:00 - [41] - Quote C Saunders wrote: So my nova knives are overpoweref? I have to be sitting on your head to get in hitting range. Nova knifes no. Those are not OP at all you have to get within melee range and typically have to charge up to insta kill. They also have their fair share of bugs right now that should be fixed. Shotguns however are OP. Taking out a heavy with 2 shots is insane. The only weapon i have as a heavy that does similar damage is a forge gun but if you want to look at it DPS wise i dont have a weapon that even does similar DPS. I am sure something will be done with the cloaks but honestly shotguns right now bug me a lot i get nearly one hit killed by militia grade shotguns while i have over 1k ehps.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4872	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:22:00 - [42] - Quote ROCKO THE HELLHOUND wrote: i don't care what it is that makes Scouts OP ATM - but if the opposing team ain't a bunch of total noobs and you are not going to run vehicles - but spawn in any Dropsuit that ain't a dampened Cloak-Scout, you are nothing but fodder for the Scouts that uncloak every 20 seconds behind you and practically insta-kill you. also - RE's, Jihad-Jeeps and Suicide-Dropships are insta-kill methods - and whenever there is an insta-kill method in a game where you need to grind out the last percentages of tankyness for ages - it automatically brakes this game then. GG CCP, plz. fix... . Poeple will QQ about anything that gets to kill them huh? IN ALL FPS the main stats of weapons are : GÖª RANGE GÖª ROF GÖª DAMAGE Good Range + High Damage = Low RoF Good Range + Good RoF = Low Damage High RoF + Low Range = High Damage LOW RoF + Low Range = MASSIVE Damage SHOTGUNS are the last. ANY weapon that has only 1 of the 3 Atributes will have a massive increase in the last one: Example= The MAgnum .44 in BF3: Low Range + Low RoF = Massive Damage Also applies with the other attributes like: Low Damage + Low Range : Massive RoF So, you cant complain that someone that needs to be 5mts away from you, while you are packing a good range + good damage + good RoF weapon (like all rifles, that at OVERALL good) kills you in one or 2 shots because its YOUR fault you didnt use the range at your advantage. Couldn't see him? then hes playing correctly and you are not. PERIOD. This is not something CCP can help you with.... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 6438	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:28:00 - [43] - Quote Insta-kills are acceptable, just as long as they have downsides to performing it. The Snack That Smiles Back! "Swarmers" [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
echo47 Minmatar Republic 262	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:32:00 - [44] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: While we explore the topic of gamebreaking insta-kill, lets roll back the clock a 'bit: Uprising 1.0 - Tac AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.50 sec TTK Uprising 1.1 - Tac AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.50 sec TTK Uprising 1.2 - AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.50 sec TTK Uprising 1.3 - AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.35 sec TTK Uprising 1.4 - AR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.35 sec TTK Uprising 1.5 - AR or ScR vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.25 sec TTK Uprising 1.6 - Any Fine Rifle vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.50 sec TTK Uprising 1.7 - Any Fine Rifle vs Scout, 0 - 100 meters, ~0.75 sec TTK So that's the past year, in a nutshell ... and the game's not broken. If sudden death by shotgun-to-the-back gets under your skin. Imagine sudden death by AR fire, from 75 meters away. :: Extends Tissue :: What, no 1.8 stats? I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.


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