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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.06 05:40:00 -
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The game changed SO much right at the time we got the respec. I went into Min logi without realizing all I am now is a squishy snack that has....wait for it....rep tool range and hp boost. All other logis get to suck similarly and have one piece of equipment that works. I can't imagine what it's like for anyone who specced into assault. They're just slow, deaf, and blind scouts that can't cloak now.
Now that we actually know what the new DUST is like can at least the medium frame SP be refunded? There's no point in being anything other than a scout, heavy, or maybe commando now. Trying to play this game with an underpowered suit is losing me ISK, pissing me off, making me feel like a worse player than I am, and burning me out. I took 3 months off after the aim assist bomb first hit and kb/m was suddenly unusable. If it keeps up like this I'm gonna have to take another long vacation. Having the (almost no) survivability I have and being targeted by OP scouts, while having such a narrow role, means that occasionally I'm able to find a situation where my role fits--but even then if I try to do anything other than rep heavies it's hard on me--but the majority of the time I'm trying to find that situation and just getting hunted down like game.
I REFUSE TO PLAY A GAME IN WHICH I'M FORCED TO BE BAMBI GETTING HUNTED DOWN BY XENOMORPHS.
LOGI SUITS SUCK B@LLS. ASSAULT SUITS SUCK B@LLS. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT PLEASE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER CUZ THIS IS IMBALANCED TO THE EXTREME.
THE LONGER THIS GOES ON THE MORE YOUR PLAYER BASE WILL LAUGH AT YOU AND THIS GAME.
You're so close. Scouts and heavies are interesting and fun now, but if you don't balance medium frames in respect to them STAT the game will start to feel deeply broken and unbalanced and shoddy. It feels that way now but it's just after a patch so people maybe expect that a little, but their patience will wear thin. Mine just did. It's almost gone. Then comes the DUST vacation. If you don't want all medium frame players to take a vacation and deplete your already small player base, please make a statement acknowledging and posing solutions for the medium frame problem. |
Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
509
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Posted - 2014.04.06 05:46:00 -
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Eh, the stale AR514 paradigm finally changed into something fun.
Breath in and smell the ashes.
Ive specced up until proto into min logi also, but since there-¦s so much shit to do and try out, I did not play logi once since update hit. Going full generalist is helluva fun.
TOLD514
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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
294
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Posted - 2014.04.06 05:53:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:Eh, the stale AR514 paradigm finally changed into something fun.
Breath in and smell the ashes.
Ive specced up until proto into min logi also, but since there-¦s so much shit to do and try out, I did not play logi once since update hit. Going full generalist is helluva fun. You specced into proto logi and haven't played logi yet? Okaaay, well come back to me after you've tried making Min logi work for a while. Goofing around with new stuff is one thing. Trying to make the suit/role that you've committed irrevocably to work well for you is another. I challenge you to find anything resembling a comfort zone (y'know...that thing that scouts have all the time now) with Min logi. |
zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
294
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Posted - 2014.04.06 05:58:00 -
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I just kinda feel like scouts and to a lesser extent heavies get to have all the fun now, like the game is completely geared towards them. It's like they evolved to this new level and I'm stuck in the obsolete old version of DUST. I feel like an NPC rat. |
Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad.
436
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Posted - 2014.04.06 06:01:00 -
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I dont think scouts are op ... you can very easily see them even when cloaked, and can very quickly burst them down. i should know, i have gallente scout proto and ishukone cloak :P My suits cost a truck tonne of isk each, and I get burst down by heavies like a MLT scout to a boundless hmg.
you just need to be more aware of your surrounding, avoid getting trapped in killzones, and remain effective and vigilant. that, or go easy mode and pull out a sica with a blaster turret ...
Me IRL :)
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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
294
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Posted - 2014.04.06 06:08:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:I dont think scouts are op ... you can very easily see them even when cloaked, and can very quickly burst them down. i should know, i have gallente scout proto and ishukone cloak :P My suits cost a truck tonne of isk each, and I get burst down by heavies like a MLT scout to a boundless hmg. That's great for the heavies. I'm overjoyed for them. So ummmm....what do assaults and logis do to you? |
Awry Barux
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
1637
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Posted - 2014.04.06 06:09:00 -
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What did you expect? You picked the medic suit. You might as well wear a big target sandwich-board saying "kill me first!". It sounds to me like you picked a role you don't actually want- as a Min Logi, repping heavies is your one and only real battlefield role, in the same way that spewing bullets is the heavy's only role. If you don't consistently have good heavies to work with, you're gonna have a bad time.
You should have put careful thought into your 1.8 skill choices. You already got all your dropsuit SP refunded, but you went right back to being a logi and it sounds like you expected to still be both a support unit and a solid front-line combat suit. That's not how role-based combat works. BrickedSlayerLogi514 is over, and none too soon. Get with the times. To have great repping power, you have to sacrifice your offense and solo viability.
tl;dr you specialized wrong and now you come crying to forums for another respec mere weeks after getting one? I have no sympathy.
Nerdier than thou
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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
294
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Posted - 2014.04.06 06:11:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:you just need to be more aware of your surrounding, avoid getting trapped in killzones, and remain effective and vigilant. that, or go easy mode and pull out a sica with a blaster turret ...
Believe me brother, my behavior has changed a lot since patch day! I am more aware of my surroundings. I'm constantly on the lookout for cloaked scouts. I avoid running from A to B alone. I try to stay in groups. Wait...how does this make me not Bambi?
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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
294
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Posted - 2014.04.06 06:23:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:What did you expect? You picked the medic suit. You might as well wear a big target sandwich-board saying "kill me first!". It sounds to me like you picked a role you don't actually want- as a Min Logi, repping heavies is your one and only real battlefield role, in the same way that spewing bullets is the heavy's only role. If you don't consistently have good heavies to work with, you're gonna have a bad time.
You should have put careful thought into your 1.8 skill choices. You already got all your dropsuit SP refunded, but you went right back to being a logi and it sounds like you expected to still be both a support unit and a solid front-line combat suit. That's not how role-based combat works. BrickedSlayerLogi514 is over, and none too soon. Get with the times. To have great repping power, you have to sacrifice your offense and solo viability.
tl;dr you specialized wrong and now you come crying to forums for another respec mere weeks after getting one? I have no sympathy.
I would prefer medium frame suits to be balanced rather than another respec given. I guess I don't seriously expect that. So let's start over. I don't want a respec. I do want to play the healer role. Now do you have anything useful to say?
I'm willing to sacrifice my offense. I'm willing to sacrifice my solo viability. I can't sacrifice my support viability...so what's left? Oh sh*t I have to sacrifice my survivability too?
No offense, no defense, no solo viability. I have to sacrifice everything so that I can be healer? That's too much. Too UP. They don't even make it possible for me to do my job.
Give logis more HP and better scan precision. Then maybe we'd have a chance.
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Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
509
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Posted - 2014.04.06 06:26:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:I challenge you to find anything resembling a comfort zone (y'know...that thing that scouts have all the time now) with Min logi. lmao2cats. Fly like a butterfly, sting like a motherfucker.
Or buffer tank. A buffer tanked mk.0 with an assault scrambler is a force of nature to behold.
TOLD514
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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
294
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Posted - 2014.04.06 06:29:00 -
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Beeeees wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:I challenge you to find anything resembling a comfort zone (y'know...that thing that scouts have all the time now) with Min logi. lmao2cats. Fly like a butterfly, sting like a motherfu cker. Or buffer tank. A buffer tanked mk.0 with an assault scrambler is a force of nature to behold. You're living in the past brother. Try it out and see. |
Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
509
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Posted - 2014.04.06 06:34:00 -
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I just fit nearly 700 EHP with 4 slots proto equip and 2 e-kincats on my mk.0, what are you insinuating?
TOLD514
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
1639
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Posted - 2014.04.06 06:42:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Awry Barux wrote:What did you expect? You picked the medic suit. You might as well wear a big target sandwich-board saying "kill me first!". It sounds to me like you picked a role you don't actually want- as a Min Logi, repping heavies is your one and only real battlefield role, in the same way that spewing bullets is the heavy's only role. If you don't consistently have good heavies to work with, you're gonna have a bad time.
You should have put careful thought into your 1.8 skill choices. You already got all your dropsuit SP refunded, but you went right back to being a logi and it sounds like you expected to still be both a support unit and a solid front-line combat suit. That's not how role-based combat works. BrickedSlayerLogi514 is over, and none too soon. Get with the times. To have great repping power, you have to sacrifice your offense and solo viability.
tl;dr you specialized wrong and now you come crying to forums for another respec mere weeks after getting one? I have no sympathy. I would prefer medium frame suits to be balanced rather than another respec given. I guess I don't seriously expect that. So let's start over. I don't want a respec. I do want to play the healer role. Now do you have anything useful to say? I'm willing to sacrifice my offense. I'm willing to sacrifice my solo viability. I can't sacrifice my support viability...so what's left? Oh sh*t I have to sacrifice my survivability too? No offense, no defense, no solo viability. I have to sacrifice everything so that I can be healer? That's too much. Too UP. They don't even make it possible for me to do my job. Give logis more HP and better scan precision. Then maybe we'd have a chance. No defense? You can still stack upwards of 800 EHP, and wield a light weapon like everyone else. Heck, grab a shotgun, they'll OHK 99% of scouts coming at you. However, your main form of defense comes from the heavy you're following around, his 600 DPS HMG, and the extreme difficulty of killing said heavy while you're repping it.
As for buffing your scan precision, no- scanning is a Cal Scout's job passively and a Gal Logi's job actively. This is a role-based game: if you need scans, bring a scanning class. Alternately, try using situational awareness. Scouts aren't hard to see, even when cloaked, and a good pocket heavy will melt them in less than the time it takes get a second shotgun round off.
I've seen plenty of effective Min Logis on the battlefield in 1.8, putting up solid scores and being a huge force multiplier for their squad/team. Plenty of logis are doing their jobs- not as easily as before, but still doing it well. Try harder?
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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
294
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Posted - 2014.04.06 06:50:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:Awry Barux wrote:What did you expect? You picked the medic suit. You might as well wear a big target sandwich-board saying "kill me first!". It sounds to me like you picked a role you don't actually want- as a Min Logi, repping heavies is your one and only real battlefield role, in the same way that spewing bullets is the heavy's only role. If you don't consistently have good heavies to work with, you're gonna have a bad time.
You should have put careful thought into your 1.8 skill choices. You already got all your dropsuit SP refunded, but you went right back to being a logi and it sounds like you expected to still be both a support unit and a solid front-line combat suit. That's not how role-based combat works. BrickedSlayerLogi514 is over, and none too soon. Get with the times. To have great repping power, you have to sacrifice your offense and solo viability.
tl;dr you specialized wrong and now you come crying to forums for another respec mere weeks after getting one? I have no sympathy. I would prefer medium frame suits to be balanced rather than another respec given. I guess I don't seriously expect that. So let's start over. I don't want a respec. I do want to play the healer role. Now do you have anything useful to say? I'm willing to sacrifice my offense. I'm willing to sacrifice my solo viability. I can't sacrifice my support viability...so what's left? Oh sh*t I have to sacrifice my survivability too? No offense, no defense, no solo viability. I have to sacrifice everything so that I can be healer? That's too much. Too UP. They don't even make it possible for me to do my job. Give logis more HP and better scan precision. Then maybe we'd have a chance. No defense? You can still stack upwards of 800 EHP, and wield a light weapon like everyone else. Heck, grab a shotgun, they'll OHK 99% of scouts coming at you. However, your main form of defense comes from the heavy you're following around, his 600 DPS HMG, and the extreme difficulty of killing said heavy while you're repping it. As for buffing your scan precision, no- scanning is a Cal Scout's job passively and a Gal Logi's job actively. This is a role-based game: if you need scans, bring a scanning class. Alternately, try using situational awareness. Scouts aren't hard to see, even when cloaked, and a good pocket heavy will melt them in less than the time it takes get a second shotgun round off. I've seen plenty of effective Min Logis on the battlefield in 1.8, putting up solid scores and being a huge force multiplier for their squad/team. Plenty of logis are doing their jobs- not as easily as before, but still doing it well. Try harder? Hmmm....well like I said I have experienced glimmers of hope. I think part of the problem is that I have to play the game with a total team cooperative focus but the heavies I rep aren't always in that mode and it gets me killed. It pisses me of when I'm helping them but they don't try to keep me alive. Or all the times I end up in situations where I'm trying to find their dumb asses and get killed on the way. I'll give it more time....I do like the new role-based paradigm. I think logis need more survivability though. |
tander09
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
83
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Posted - 2014.04.06 06:54:00 -
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*drinks tears from QQers* mmh, lovely tears...
Touch my BPO Gear, and you shall perish in the thrusters of a AMARR TITAN!!!!!!!
AMARRIAN4LYFE!
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
1641
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Posted - 2014.04.06 07:00:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Awry Barux wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:Awry Barux wrote:What did you expect? You picked the medic suit. You might as well wear a big target sandwich-board saying "kill me first!". It sounds to me like you picked a role you don't actually want- as a Min Logi, repping heavies is your one and only real battlefield role, in the same way that spewing bullets is the heavy's only role. If you don't consistently have good heavies to work with, you're gonna have a bad time.
You should have put careful thought into your 1.8 skill choices. You already got all your dropsuit SP refunded, but you went right back to being a logi and it sounds like you expected to still be both a support unit and a solid front-line combat suit. That's not how role-based combat works. BrickedSlayerLogi514 is over, and none too soon. Get with the times. To have great repping power, you have to sacrifice your offense and solo viability.
tl;dr you specialized wrong and now you come crying to forums for another respec mere weeks after getting one? I have no sympathy. I would prefer medium frame suits to be balanced rather than another respec given. I guess I don't seriously expect that. So let's start over. I don't want a respec. I do want to play the healer role. Now do you have anything useful to say? I'm willing to sacrifice my offense. I'm willing to sacrifice my solo viability. I can't sacrifice my support viability...so what's left? Oh sh*t I have to sacrifice my survivability too? No offense, no defense, no solo viability. I have to sacrifice everything so that I can be healer? That's too much. Too UP. They don't even make it possible for me to do my job. Give logis more HP and better scan precision. Then maybe we'd have a chance. No defense? You can still stack upwards of 800 EHP, and wield a light weapon like everyone else. Heck, grab a shotgun, they'll OHK 99% of scouts coming at you. However, your main form of defense comes from the heavy you're following around, his 600 DPS HMG, and the extreme difficulty of killing said heavy while you're repping it. As for buffing your scan precision, no- scanning is a Cal Scout's job passively and a Gal Logi's job actively. This is a role-based game: if you need scans, bring a scanning class. Alternately, try using situational awareness. Scouts aren't hard to see, even when cloaked, and a good pocket heavy will melt them in less than the time it takes get a second shotgun round off. I've seen plenty of effective Min Logis on the battlefield in 1.8, putting up solid scores and being a huge force multiplier for their squad/team. Plenty of logis are doing their jobs- not as easily as before, but still doing it well. Try harder? Hmmm....well like I said I have experienced glimmers of hope. I think part of the problem is that I have to play the game with a total team cooperative focus but the heavies I rep aren't always in that mode and it gets me killed. It pisses me of when I'm helping them but they don't try to keep me alive. Or all the times I end up in situations where I'm trying to find their dumb asses and get killed on the way. I'll give it more time....I do like the new role-based paradigm. I think logis need more survivability though. I feel your pain there- that's why I'm not a healer. I can't stand having to rely on (often mediocre to terrible) teammates.
One strategy that might help you is to lock onto your heavy, then follow him by backpedaling and staring behind him- the speed gap is enough that you can do this indefinitely, and the rep tool only cares about range, not facing. Bam- you're much, much harder for a scout to take down now. Keep in mind that they can see the direction you're facing on the passive scanner. The simple fact that you're facing one way and the heavy is facing another will be enough to encourage many scouts to focus on different, less-aware targets.
Nerdier than thou
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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
294
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Posted - 2014.04.06 07:01:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:No defense? You can still stack upwards of 800 EHP, and wield a light weapon like everyone else. Heck, grab a shotgun, they'll OHK 99% of scouts coming at you. However, your main form of defense comes from the heavy you're following around, his 600 DPS HMG, and the extreme difficulty of killing said heavy while you're repping it.
With max skills the best you can get is this slow guy:
Shield 112.5 [330.3] HP Armor 187.5 [402] HP eHP 300 [732.3] HP Armor Repair Rate 0 [6.25] HP/s Movement Speed 5 [4.75] m/s Strafe Speed 4.5 [4.28] m/s Sprint Speed 7.35 [6.99] m/s
Protofits: http://www.protofits.com/fittings |
Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
850
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Posted - 2014.04.06 07:10:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:The game changed SO much right at the time we got the respec. I went into Min logi without realizing all I am now is a squishy snack that has....wait for it....rep tool range and hp boost. All other logis get to suck similarly and have one piece of equipment that works. I can't imagine what it's like for anyone who specced into assault. They're just slow, deaf, and blind scouts that can't cloak now.
Now that we actually know what the new DUST is like can at least the medium frame SP be refunded? There's no point in being anything other than a scout, heavy, or maybe commando now. Trying to play this game with an underpowered suit is losing me ISK, pissing me off, making me feel like a worse player than I am, and burning me out. I took 3 months off after the aim assist bomb first hit and kb/m was suddenly unusable. If it keeps up like this I'm gonna have to take another long vacation. Having the (almost no) survivability I have and being targeted by OP scouts, while having such a narrow role, means that occasionally I'm able to find a situation where my role fits--but even then if I try to do anything other than rep heavies it's hard on me--but the majority of the time I'm trying to find that situation and just getting hunted down like game.
I REFUSE TO PLAY A GAME IN WHICH I'M FORCED TO BE BAMBI GETTING HUNTED DOWN BY XENOMORPHS.
LOGI SUITS SUCK B@LLS. ASSAULT SUITS SUCK B@LLS. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT PLEASE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER CUZ THIS IS IMBALANCED TO THE EXTREME.
THE LONGER THIS GOES ON THE MORE YOUR PLAYER BASE WILL LAUGH AT YOU AND THIS GAME.
You're so close. Scouts and heavies are interesting and fun now, but if you don't balance medium frames in respect to them STAT the game will start to feel deeply broken and unbalanced and shoddy. It feels that way now but it's just after a patch so people maybe expect that a little, but their patience will wear thin. Mine just did. It's almost gone. Then comes the DUST vacation. If you don't want all medium frame players to take a vacation and deplete your already small player base, please make a statement acknowledging and posing solutions for the medium frame problem. Hey broheim, Not quite sure if you realized it but Dust will continue to enrage, disappoint, confuse, and just outright irk you until you realize it is more about adaptation than actually getting good at something and sticking with it. CCP has said that stuff is changing and will change from time to time as they balance stuff. Logis have never been a particularly tanky class so expect to have a low KDR, not to mention that they are (sorta) the medic type class although commandos, assaults and scouts can all do a passable job if the person is so inclined to do out of suit class roles as a secondary job. Good luck with whatever you pick to replace your logi.
LogiGod earns his pips
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
1641
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Posted - 2014.04.06 07:10:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Awry Barux wrote:No defense? You can still stack upwards of 800 EHP, and wield a light weapon like everyone else. Heck, grab a shotgun, they'll OHK 99% of scouts coming at you. However, your main form of defense comes from the heavy you're following around, his 600 DPS HMG, and the extreme difficulty of killing said heavy while you're repping it. With max skills the best you can get is this slow guy: Shield 112.5 [330.3] HP Armor 187.5 [402] HP eHP 300 [732.3] HP Armor Repair Rate 0 [6.25] HP/s Movement Speed 5 [4.75] m/s Strafe Speed 4.5 [4.28] m/s Sprint Speed 7.35 [6.99] m/s Protofits: http://www.protofits.com/fittings
Uh, no? Incorrect, see below, for maximizing survivability and anti-scout capabilities while still having the holy trinity of logi equipment. edit: You can increase your tank to over 1k EHP if you're coordinating with another logi and spider-tanking, by swapping the complex repper for a complex plate. Your speed is unimportant since you'll always be way faster than the heavy.
'Neo' Logistics mk.0 CPU 477.5375 / 511.875 gF PG 101.25 / 102.375 kW Shield 112.5 [402.9] HP Armor 187.5 [495.5] HP No icon eHP 300 [898.4] HP Shield Recharge Rate 20 HP/s Shield Recharge Delay 5 s Shield Dep. Rec. Delay 6 [7.86] s Armor Repair Rate 0 [6.25] HP/s Movement Speed 5 [4.66] m/s Strafe Speed 4.5 [4.19] m/s Sprint Speed 7.35 [6.85] m/s
'Neo' Logistics mk.0 35,250 Complex Shield Extender 4,275 Complex Shield Extender 4,275 Complex Shield Extender 4,275 Complex Shield Extender 4,275 Complex Armor Repairer 5,595 'Goliath' Basic Armor Plates 900 'Goliath' Basic Armor Plates 900 'Samson' Enhanced Armor Plates 2,415 RS-90 Combat Rifle 10,770 M1 Locus Grenade 1,200 Core Focused Repair Tool 35,415 KIN-012 Nanite Injector 2,625 Ishukone Gauged Nanohive 28,335 Duvolle Focused Active Scanner 30,915 ISK Estimated Cost: ~ 171,420
Nerdier than thou
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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
294
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Posted - 2014.04.06 07:19:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:zzZaXxx wrote:Awry Barux wrote:No defense? You can still stack upwards of 800 EHP, and wield a light weapon like everyone else. Heck, grab a shotgun, they'll OHK 99% of scouts coming at you. However, your main form of defense comes from the heavy you're following around, his 600 DPS HMG, and the extreme difficulty of killing said heavy while you're repping it. With max skills the best you can get is this slow guy: Shield 112.5 [330.3] HP Armor 187.5 [402] HP eHP 300 [732.3] HP Armor Repair Rate 0 [6.25] HP/s Movement Speed 5 [4.75] m/s Strafe Speed 4.5 [4.28] m/s Sprint Speed 7.35 [6.99] m/s Protofits: http://www.protofits.com/fittings Uh, no? Incorrect, see below, for maximizing survivability and anti-scout capabilities while still having the holy trinity of logi equipment. edit: You can increase your tank to over 1k EHP if you're coordinating with another logi and spider-tanking, by swapping the complex repper for a complex plate. Your speed is unimportant since you'll always be way faster than the heavy. 'Neo' Logistics mk.0 CPU 477.5375 / 511.875 gF PG 101.25 / 102.375 kW Shield 112.5 [402.9] HP Armor 187.5 [495.5] HP No icon eHP 300 [898.4] HP Shield Recharge Rate 20 HP/s Shield Recharge Delay 5 s Shield Dep. Rec. Delay 6 [7.86] s Armor Repair Rate 0 [6.25] HP/s Movement Speed 5 [4.66] m/s Strafe Speed 4.5 [4.19] m/s Sprint Speed 7.35 [6.85] m/s 'Neo' Logistics mk.0 35,250 Complex Shield Extender 4,275 Complex Shield Extender 4,275 Complex Shield Extender 4,275 Complex Shield Extender 4,275 Complex Armor Repairer 5,595 'Goliath' Basic Armor Plates 900 'Goliath' Basic Armor Plates 900 'Samson' Enhanced Armor Plates 2,415 RS-90 Combat Rifle 10,770 M1 Locus Grenade 1,200 Core Focused Repair Tool 35,415 KIN-012 Nanite Injector 2,625 Ishukone Gauged Nanohive 28,335 Duvolle Focused Active Scanner 30,915 ISK Estimated Cost: ~ 171,420 Well yeah. I should have specified the advanced suit. I'm not fool enough to go running around in a proto suit with things as they are. |
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Oswald Rehnquist
1330
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Posted - 2014.04.06 08:06:00 -
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On proto fits it seems on a MK.0 You can fit 4 complex shield extenders, 3 complex damps, 1 complex cpu, a prototype repair tool, a prototype nanohive, and an advance cloak, while running an advance combat rifle.
With the cloak you get a signature of 17 (which beats 2 precision modded cal scouts), your shields are around 400, and your armor is just shy of 200.
Or if your not paranoid, you can drop the third damp in favor of a pg upgrade, you sig goes up to 20 with the cloak (only have to worry about 2 precision modded cal scouts), and you can throw on a proto nanite injector.
Doesn't seem like too bad of a scenario.
I agree with you that the assaults are lacking though.
Below 28 dB
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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
302
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Posted - 2014.04.06 10:50:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:On proto fits it seems on a MK.0 You can fit 4 complex shield extenders, 3 complex damps, 1 complex cpu, a prototype repair tool, a prototype nanohive, and an advance cloak, while running an advance combat rifle.
With the cloak you get a signature of 17 (which beats 2 precision modded cal scouts), your shields are around 400, and your armor is just shy of 200.
Or if your not paranoid, you can drop the third damp in favor of a pg upgrade, you sig goes up to 20 with the cloak (only have to worry about 2 precision modded cal scouts), and you can throw on a proto nanite injector.
Doesn't seem like too bad of a scenario.
I agree with you that the assaults are lacking though.
Hmmmmmm.........with max skills the following fit is possible. Intriguing...
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/0/1832 |
Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
13
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Posted - 2014.04.06 11:11:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Beeeees wrote:Eh, the stale AR514 paradigm finally changed into something fun.
Breath in and smell the ashes.
Ive specced up until proto into min logi also, but since there-¦s so much shit to do and try out, I did not play logi once since update hit. Going full generalist is helluva fun. You specced into proto logi and haven't played logi yet? Okaaay, well come back to me after you've tried making Min logi work for a while. Goofing around with new stuff is one thing. Trying to make the suit/role that you've committed irrevocably to work well for you is another. I challenge you to find anything resembling a comfort zone (y'know...that thing that scouts have all the time now) with Min logi.
Sooo much QQ right here.
I have a Min Logi. And have had it since open beta last year. I have always had that toon as a Min logi. And It's all in how you approach it. Right now I can say this 'YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!' other wise you wouldn't be QQing on the forums about it.
Now the way I play my Min Logi is exactly what the stats are. Healing ****. I was always the medic of my team. As well as the ammo b**** and uplink master. I always had plates on my suit so I don't get shot up if my heavy wasn't body blocking me. And you know what? Back then it was easy and now? ITS EVEN EASIER! So stop QQing because your Min Logi wasn't a medic and now you 'have' to be a medic.
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Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
193
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Posted - 2014.04.06 11:27:00 -
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I suggest you put in a support ticket and ask nicely to the GM and begggggggggg for a personal respect on the side and not talk about it under NDA that you got one. Start with using the support system and then if rejected cry on the forums. |
Vell0cet
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1376
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Posted - 2014.04.06 14:00:00 -
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Min logis are force multipliers. They should be a primary target for scouts with brains. Heavies receiving reps should likewise see anything shooting their Logi as the most urgent priority. It seems like you've had bad luck squadding up with the right heavies. You will be hunted as a min Logi, because your ability to buff heavies into near invincibility.
Best PvE idea ever!
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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.06 14:46:00 -
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Well let me make sure to say this: DUST has been taking steps forward with every patch since the Big Step Back almost a year ago. I'm happy with the overall direction of the game and it's pretty impressive how much the game has developed in a year. All of CCP Shanghai's broad strokes are right on target. I'm glad cloaking is part of the game now and that roles have been established. I'm sure I'll feel much better when I hear how they're going to balance scouts and cloaking. I'm sure they will. We have to slog through until then.
I think the thing now is to start at the basics. I need to just go into random pub matches alone in a basic logi suit and figure out how to survive while being useful. That's the only way I'm going to learn and find a comfort zone. I'll be willing to sacrifice suits to learn because they'll be so cheap. That's my epiphany and advice to other logis. We need to embrace the chaos and learn how to move around in the middle of it without giving away easy kills. Logi is gonna be a special kind of kung fu from now on. |
bogeyman m
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
155
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Posted - 2014.04.06 15:08:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Hmmm....well like I said I have experienced glimmers of hope. I think part of the problem is that I have to play the game with a total team cooperative focus but the heavies I rep aren't always in that mode and it gets me killed. It pisses me of when I'm helping them but they don't try to keep me alive. Or all the times I end up in situations where I'm trying to find their dumb asses and get killed on the way. I'll give it more time....I do like the new role-based paradigm. I think logis need more survivability though. Unfortunately, you're not going to get a lot of sympathy here... People are still perturbed about SlayerLogis, and may continue to be for some time.
As a MinLogiBro myself, I can confirm the biggest differences in 1.8 for a healer/support role is the lack of (reasonable) solo options and the distinct requirement for running with a competent squad - noting that a squad does not need to be all heavies for us to be helpful, but they definitely need to work in a coordinated fashion. I have squaded with some pretty advanced players who all had a more individual/solo style and my contribution to the group (and resulting WPs) was minimal. I have also squaded with less advanced, but still good, players who operated more like a coordinated unit and both my and my squad-mates' performances were enhanced. (The last match I played resulted in my squad holding the top 5 of 6 spots on the final leader board - I was #6.)
Hope that helps.
TL;DR - As a medic/support Logi, only squad with team oriented players.
Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
1866
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Posted - 2014.04.06 15:40:00 -
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So what you're saying is, CCP gave you a respec because things changed, and now you want a respec because those things weren't the same as before the respec?
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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bogeyman m
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
155
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Posted - 2014.04.06 15:42:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Well yeah. I should have specified the advanced suit. I'm not fool enough to go running around in a proto suit with things as they are. As an Advanced MinLogi myself, I recognized what you meant. :-) (It's funny how most people assume everyone is a Proto player.)
My most common fit is 330 shield, 360 armour rig: - 3x comp shields - 2x adv armour - 1x adv arm rep - triage rep tool - K2 or Quantum hives - KIN injector - flux grenade - breach SMG or std AR
If one or two other people in the squad are running injectors, I might swap mine for a repping hive. As you might notice, I sacrifice fire-power to carry the best gear I can fit in an advanced suit.
Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
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bogeyman m
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
155
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Posted - 2014.04.06 15:49:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:I think the thing now is to start at the basics. I need to just go into random pub matches alone in a basic logi suit and figure out how to survive while being useful. That's the only way I'm going to learn and find a comfort zone. I'll be willing to sacrifice suits to learn because they'll be so cheap. That's my epiphany and advice to other logis. We need to embrace the chaos and learn how to move around in the middle of it without giving away easy kills. Logi is gonna be a special kind of kung fu from now on. With the 1.8 respec, I reinvested in the same Advanced Min Logi suit and put all surplus SP into core skills. As I now do not have any other suits skilled, I have found that running Militia Scout suits solo in pub matches has been great practise for improving my situational awareness - especially with so many invisible shotty-scouts running around - and has been a LOT less expensive than running a Logi suit without a squad. And better awareness has helped me survive longer when running with a squad.
Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day
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Posted - 2014.04.06 16:57:00 -
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My assault is more durable, better equipped and generally faster. I like it. When they get around to adjusting the slots and systems of the medium suits it'll be even better.
As for my logi. Yes there is fewer of us out there but the heavies do love them reps and I'm reaping the rewards. Staying alive is now the main concern over killing but that has always been my style. I love the rush of customers every time I throw down a hive. Its quite something. All I need is for their mentality to shift so that they cover me more (something that parallels with my commando - they're too used to seeing sentinels with rifles take point) but time will solve that one as players adjust.
Overall It's good to be a mid frame.
"...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
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DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
252
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Posted - 2014.04.06 17:14:00 -
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Come on, the numbers were all there before the respec arrived - there were tons of threads, especially regarding the Minmatar logi. Like they say ignorantia juris non excusat. |
ITS-A-ME MAAAARIO
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.06 17:23:00 -
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just give assaults a better bonus, and way better capabilities than a ascout
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Eugene Killmore
Red Star. EoN.
401
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Posted - 2014.04.06 17:34:00 -
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I love my amarr logi and feel some assaults are VERY good. I cant wait for passive skills to get fixed so I can get my Amarr assault suit back. Then when I dump half a clip of my Viziam into your soft scout body you can tell me how under powered I am.
EoN. #1 alliance of ALL TIME undefeated in bloc warfare ;)
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