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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 314	Posted - 2014.04.05 16:13:00 - [1] - Quote Squads. If you go against them you need them. Especially good ones. There is no casual play option and I feel a lot of qq really comes from this mechanic. I usually roll deep in team members and "stomp." But sometimes I don't want to spend the extra time coordinating, I just want to play a few rounds doing my own thing. Very difficult to do consistently. Sure there are certain fits that might make it easier, but pulling a logi or a std frontline is simply not going to cut it against any semi coordinated opposition. I like squads, I wouldnt want it any other way. I just wish there was some kind of game mode that was more casual and less time consuming... FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1039	Posted - 2014.04.05 16:15:00 - [2] - Quote The answer to squads as a solo player before was to simply stay out of their way. Now you do that, and the scouts pick you off relentlessly and unless you're another scout, you really stand no chance. Solo players are between a rock and a hard place. I feel for them. Teamwork has never been so OP. Neither have scouts.
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 952	Posted - 2014.04.05 16:21:00 - [3] - Quote I run solo most of the time doing my point defense sentinel thing and still manage to enjoy the game and maintain efficiency in the field, just as fun as it was in 1.7 "Now I am become Dev, the locker of threads." -CCP Logibro
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 855	Posted - 2014.04.05 16:26:00 - [4] - Quote Squads could use to go back to 4 players. With all the new WP to be had 6 just earn orbitals way too easily. CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Mike Ox Bigger Skill Shots 234	Posted - 2014.04.05 16:28:00 - [5] - Quote I run solo 90% of the time and do fine. Get gud scrubs.
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 181	Posted - 2014.04.05 16:30:00 - [6] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: I run solo most of the time doing my point defense sentinel thing and still manage to enjoy the game and maintain efficiency in the field, just as fun as it was in 1.7 To be fair your suit has been buffed and your gun was not affected by the ttk changes. Of course its gonna be like 1.7
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 952	Posted - 2014.04.05 16:36:00 - [7] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: I run solo most of the time doing my point defense sentinel thing and still manage to enjoy the game and maintain efficiency in the field, just as fun as it was in 1.7 To be fair your suit has been buffed and your gun was not affected by the ttk changes. Of course its gonna be like 1.7 True, little has changed from those days but I don't see that as a bad thing "Now I am become Dev, the locker of threads." -CCP Logibro
Vell0cet Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1369	Posted - 2014.04.05 16:37:00 - [8] - Quote Correlation doesn't equal causation. Good players and vets tend to run squads because it is a smarter way to play (you tend to loose fewer suits), and they have been in the game a while and have social bonds with friends. Make them all play solo and those same players will still probably do reasonably well. A better answer is to stress the importance of squadding up in the NPE, and help newer players get into training corps as early as possible. Best PvE idea ever!
Echo 1991 WarRavens League of Infamy 181	Posted - 2014.04.05 16:39:00 - [9] - Quote Not a complaint. Just an observation. But i feel the hmg is too good atm. I think rof needs a tweak but thats just my opinion.
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 677	Posted - 2014.04.05 16:40:00 - [10] - Quote If only there was some type of invention that would attempt to create balanced teams. A solution that would divide the number of squads equally among the two teams in order to create a more enjoyable experience for everyone. We could even call this invention "matchmaking" Yeah, I know, over the top. Really that is what dust needs, a matchmaking algorithm. If it adds 30 seconds for my wait time to get into battle, I think that would be just fine. Fixing swarms

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7921	Posted - 2014.04.05 16:43:00 - [11] - Quote I said it before, got lots of hate, but I'll say it again. Squads in public matches should be limited to 4 players. If you want to do FW or PC you can still have 6, but if you're doing pubs then only 4. Having 6 players out of 16 in a public match all coordinating together is too much power. And yeah I've heard all the counters to this, "Why are you trying to nerf teamwork?" I'm not trying to nerf teamwork, have all the teamwork you want in FW and PC. But in pubs lets try to have a better experience for the people who want to play solo or just with one or two friends. Amarr are the good guys.
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4634	Posted - 2014.04.05 16:54:00 - [12] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: The answer to squads as a solo player before was to simply stay out of their way. Now you do that, and the scouts pick you off relentlessly and unless you're another scout, you really stand no chance. Solo players are between a rock and a hard place. I feel for them. Teamwork has never been so OP. Neither have scouts. Scouts have always been THE solo infantry class. We just need more solo options. I'm from the weird side of the internet
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1920	Posted - 2014.04.05 17:18:00 - [13] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: If only there was some type of invention that would attempt to create balanced teams. A solution that would divide the number of squads equally among the two teams in order to create a more enjoyable experience for everyone. We could even call this invention "matchmaking" Yeah, I know, over the top. Really that is what dust needs, a matchmaking algorithm. If it adds 30 seconds for my wait time to get into battle I think that would be just fine. Number 1 cause of issues in DUST: CCP's decisions compounded by CCP's refusal to address, for months or years, broken game mechanics caused by those decisions. This is already written into DUST's history. Question is, will it be DUST's epitaph? I support SP rollover.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4926	Posted - 2014.04.05 17:21:00 - [14] - Quote #1 cause of issues in DUST. People. If there were no people playing, nothing would go wrong. LOGIC! everyone quit so the game can be better.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 679	Posted - 2014.04.05 17:23:00 - [15] - Quote #1 cause of issues in dust: CCP Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Onesimus Tarsus 1807	Posted - 2014.04.05 17:25:00 - [16] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: #1 cause of issues in DUST. People. If there were no people playing, nothing would go wrong. LOGIC! everyone quit so the game can be better. You know... He's on to something there. If you don't see me, it's because I'm not where you're looking. I'd rather be unscannable than invisible.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1242	Posted - 2014.04.05 17:29:00 - [17] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: The answer to squads as a solo player before was to simply stay out of their way. Now you do that, and the scouts pick you off relentlessly and unless you're another scout, you really stand no chance. Solo players are between a rock and a hard place. I feel for them. Teamwork has never been so OP. Neither have scouts. This is so true. I played a couple matches today because I had an hour to kill. Played on my main that has calmmando, assault, and logi and had a miserable time, went negative, lost ISK. Got pissed and switched to my Gal scout alt and was able to manage 4-5 KDR make ISK, and almost have fun if I wasn't running around the same tired old unchanging maps. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
mollerz 3201	Posted - 2014.04.05 17:34:00 - [18] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: The answer to squads as a solo player before was to simply stay out of their way. Now you do that, and the scouts pick you off relentlessly and unless you're another scout, you really stand no chance. Solo players are between a rock and a hard place. I feel for them. Teamwork has never been so OP. Neither have scouts. The irony there is that scouts are perfect for running solo. Assaults, heavies and logis all need to support each other and are best suited for squad combat. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro PAND3M0N1UM Lokun Listamenn 315	Posted - 2014.04.05 17:54:00 - [19] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: I run solo 90% of the time and do fine. Get gud scrubs. It's not that I am not proficient while running solo, it's when your on a team of solo players. A distinct disadvantage when the other teams solo players focus around a coordinated squad. I had played a bush where we had one 3 man squad and the rest we solo. A proto squad on the other side pushed in, cloak killed, and separated our already individualized team. I am just saying that there is not a good casual mode. I guess a scout and cloak may be the answer but I am a Minmatar logi. Only squad play for me. Or death. FAME Click for Vehicle Support Click for Recruitment
IceShifter Childhaspawn Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 482	Posted - 2014.04.05 18:02:00 - [20] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: If only there was some type of invention that would attempt to create balanced teams. A solution that would divide the number of squads equally among the two teams in order to create a more enjoyable experience for everyone. We could even call this invention "matchmaking" Yeah, I know, over the top. Really that is what dust needs, a matchmaking algorithm. If it adds 30 seconds for my wait time to get into battle I think that would be just fine. The matchmaker works, problem is the leet players chased away all the new players. Tiny playerbase makes matchmaker useless. Average was somewhere around 2.5k players on what, 3 servers, 24 timezones? Glad to see people reasonable on the forums, but you realize you represent what remains after months of fotm chasers buffing their ego and murdering a game. CCP Logibro is awesome.

Onesimus Tarsus 1808	Posted - 2014.04.05 18:07:00 - [21] - Quote IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: If only there was some type of invention that would attempt to create balanced teams. A solution that would divide the number of squads equally among the two teams in order to create a more enjoyable experience for everyone. We could even call this invention "matchmaking" Yeah, I know, over the top. Really that is what dust needs, a matchmaking algorithm. If it adds 30 seconds for my wait time to get into battle I think that would be just fine. The matchmaker works, problem is the leet players chased away all the new players. Tiny playerbase makes matchmaker useless. Average was somewhere around 2.5k players on what, 3 servers, 24 timezones? Glad to see people reasonable on the forums, but you realize you represent what remains after months of fotm chasers buffing their ego and murdering a game. I'm unsure of the algorithm currently employed, but I would hope that it would weight K/DR, then WP/DR. That way, the players doing the best in those areas are facing like-skilled individuals, and on down. Squads would be weighed as individuals, if that works. If you don't see me, it's because I'm not where you're looking. I'd rather be unscannable than invisible.
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 157	Posted - 2014.04.05 18:08:00 - [22] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: If only there was some type of invention that would attempt to create balanced teams. A solution that would divide the number of squads equally among the two teams in order to create a more enjoyable experience for everyone. We could even call this invention "matchmaking" Yeah, I know, over the top. Really that is what dust needs, a matchmaking algorithm. If it adds 30 seconds for my wait time to get into battle I think that would be just fine. Bringing the warbarge back in pubs would also help immensely. It allowed teams to squad up and study the enemy roster so you could take an educated guess at how much of a fight they were going to give. Sure the (no-longer) randoms in the squad may still suck, but at the very least you can tell them to stick with the greens. Strength in numbers and all that.
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 153	Posted - 2014.04.05 18:18:00 - [23] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I said it before, got lots of hate, but I'll say it again. Squads in public matches should be limited to 4 players. If you want to do FW or PC you can still have 6, but if you're doing pubs then only 4. Having 6 players out of 16 in a public match all coordinating together is too much power. And yeah I've heard all the counters to this, "Why are you trying to nerf teamwork?" I'm not trying to nerf teamwork, have all the teamwork you want in FW and PC. But in pubs lets try to have a better experience for the people who want to play solo or just with one or two friends. Agreed. Doesn't the Pub Match description even read (something like) 'for solo players and small groups'? Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1921	Posted - 2014.04.05 18:50:00 - [24] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: #1 cause of issues in DUST. People. If there were no people playing, nothing would go wrong. LOGIC! everyone quit so the game can be better. You know... He's on to something there. Yabut it's a tautology and therefore devoid of content. I support SP rollover.
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Grimmiers 0uter.Heaven 502	Posted - 2014.04.05 19:38:00 - [26] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Squads could use to go back to 4 players. With all the new WP to be had 6 just earn orbitals way too easily. I feel like the 6 man squads should have been saved for 48 players, but I"m not complaining. SoundCloud Recruiter Link Pronounced Grim-e-urs
Tectonic Fusion 1418	Posted - 2014.04.05 19:40:00 - [27] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: The answer to squads as a solo player before was to simply stay out of their way. Now you do that, and the scouts pick you off relentlessly and unless you're another scout, you really stand no chance. Solo players are between a rock and a hard place. I feel for them. Teamwork has never been so OP. Neither have scouts. Chromosome scouts > scouts now. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
bogeyman m Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 186	Posted - 2014.05.17 22:26:00 - [28] - Quote 4 person squads in Pub matches. Yes please. Duct tape 2.0 > Have WD-40; will travel.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2014.05.17 23:53:00 - [29] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: Squads. If you go against them you need them. Especially good ones. There is no casual play option and I feel a lot of qq really comes from this mechanic. I usually roll deep in team members and "stomp." But sometimes I don't want to spend the extra time coordinating, I just want to play a few rounds doing my own thing. Very difficult to do consistently. Sure there are certain fits that might make it easier, but pulling a logi or a std frontline is simply not going to cut it against any semi coordinated opposition. I like squads, I wouldnt want it any other way. I just wish there was some kind of game mode that was more casual and less time consuming... I think ccp should show people squad finder in the academy, i didnt know that you could squad with people for the first 4 months i played this game .


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