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You will kill the economy.

lol what economy? I wasn't aware that the player market is now in the game.

If are fittings did not cost any isk their would be no need for exploiting failed content like PC and every one would be able to play at their highest potential. The game would be allot more fun.

it would cause the eve online economy to colopse

ur wrong it would take away the whole point of dust and it would cause the eve online economy to colopse

Just a thought.

The death of a proto suit costs your team 3 clones

Advanced costs 2

Basic and mlt cost 1

STD LAV and DS cost 1

HAV and ADS cost 5

You could also only give the winning team isk, kinda like FW. And when you attack another district the same rules apply. No more suit costs, but the ingame economy ties directly to attacking and maintaining districts. I am sure you could come up with other places to make the isk matter too, like paying more isk to attack a district via ambush to represent spending more on stealth ops.

Btw this could be structured around your clones total meta rating for clarity.

Just a thought.

The death of a proto suit costs your team 3 clones

Advanced costs 2

Basic and mlt cost 1

STD LAV and DS cost 1

HAV and ADS cost 5

You could also only give the winning team isk, kinda like FW. And when you attack another district the same rules apply. No more suit costs, but the ingame economy ties directly to attacking and maintaining districts. I am sure you could come up with other places to make the isk matter too, like paying more isk to attack a district via ambush to represent spending more on stealth ops.

Btw this could be structured around your clones total meta rating for clarity.

lol what economy? I wasn't aware that the player market is now in the game.

If are fittings did not cost any isk their would be no need for exploiting failed content like PC and every one would be able to play at their highest potential. The game would be allot more fun.

We're mercenaries. We get paid. Our gear costs money.
The better you do the more your paid.
Win the round and your team gets more isk.

I don't run proto because;
firstly - its a bit of a douchebag thing to do in a public match.
secondly - too many BS things can happen to make you loose it, no matter how good you are. Orbitals for example.
thirdly - I fight well enough in advanced gear, I can loose a few and still make a profit so therefore comfortable keep doing it in every game.

Your system would mean I could just say '**** the team' and run proto constantly and loose dozens and not bat an eyelid. I don't gain anything or loose anything so why should I care if the team wins the match or not.

Right now, every kill, every revive, every guardian / triage is more money to my wallet. And I got a fat wallet

The isk we pay for suits has no direct influence on EVE..

The isk we pay for suits has no direct influence on EVE. The only thing the price of our suits affects is how we deploy on the field and in what strength.

Since we all eat our losses and technically isk is generated whenever it is needed with no limit, our choice of suit use does not impact any universe, it's all made up and doesn't have any important meaning. Isk is an idea of limited resources that players have to expend, but since it only approximates that idea it falls short of real currency and supply and demand.

If suits were worth real in game substance, aka proto = 3 clones, then that has a real effect on Dust, in EVE, and has meaning to all players. This actual worth would resemble the kind of resources and time to get a prototype suit to the frontline and in to combat. It is not just a printed up value, if lower tier players have better teamwork than proto, then the districts will be harder to keep for less coordinated corporations, and wasting suits that cost more resources becomes evident.

You can tie in this fake currency still. (Are normal pubs just TDM? Or do they have some effect somewhere in EVE?) You can make FW cost isk to attack. You generate this isk in pubs like normal, then proceed to FW when you want to move resources in EVE and affect the universe. Just as before, the FW matters, but so does teamwork and actuall resources used. In current FW, isk loss means nothing to that battle. If a tank is blown up, there could be a limitless supply sent to that destination, yet no war is going to be able to have unlimited supply to any war front. Choices must be made in war, and isk prevents any meaningful choices. No reward is given to superior tactics either. If a poorly equipped squad punishes expensive ill performing $$$bros, their expertise is not rewarded. Under the clones cost clones scheme, an ambushed proto squad loses more than their position, but they cost their team more, the war front is more damaged from losing those assets.

This could be implemented in FW only, and normal suit costs could be used in pubs. To launch a FW match you could pay like 50k isk a person. This is non refundable, it represents you putting clones into a war somewhere. LP could still be provided, but FW would then be better tied to some kind of economy.

It would be interesting if Dust players couldn't fund their own FW, but rather they had to be funded by EVE side corporations. It would be more interesting if you could select a type of deployment for your team, assuming q sync became a normal feature, a field commander would then choose an amount of clones to go into a FW with, that amount costs a certain amount of isk. The other team may or may not have the same amount of clones. I would depend on their funding and commanders choice. Obviously, a commander that is better might be able to be more efficient with less clones. Should battles like this go for longer, or would a timer be used?

Similar to PC but with EVE implications.

We're mercenaries. We get paid. Our gear costs money.
The better you do the more your paid.
Win the round and your team gets more isk.

I don't run proto because;
firstly - its a bit of a douchebag thing to do in a public match.
secondly - too many BS things can happen to make you loose it, no matter how good you are. Orbitals for example.
thirdly - I fight well enough in advanced gear, I can loose a few and still make a profit so therefore comfortable keep doing it in every game.

Your system would mean I could just say '**** the team' and run proto constantly and loose dozens and not bat an eyelid. I don't gain anything or loose anything so why should I care if the team wins the match or not.

Right now, every kill, every revive, every guardian / triage is more money to my wallet. And I got a fat wallet

YET!

The idea is that it will have a direct influence on EVE and vice versa once the market gets integrated. But Rome wasn't built in a day. The OP proposal would be stupid since it woule move further away from the vision ccp has for Dust than it already is.

Isk costs are what implements the personal risk vs reward factor in this game. You think people would care in pubs if their death was worth 1 clone or 3 (something that makes absolutely no sense in terms of lore btw) ? They'd just be playing the game like any other Call of BattleZone with no thought about what they can actually afford to use/lose.

And one day there will be a fully functional economy (CCP Z is working on it right now) and a complete link to Eve and all this will matter, so it's best to get players used to it now instead of changing the entire game once now to facilitate this insane idea and then again to facilitate the move to a proper economy and then again for full Eve integration!

There was a confirmation from CCP Saberwing that the economy in Dust is broken and that "CCP Z is examining and looking to build a fully-functioning DUST economy".

From CCPs master plan we know that they are planing to connect dust and eve economy.The only reason they didn't do it is that connecting a broken economy to a perfect one will brake both.
I am using the word perfect because its the best working player driven economy in any game out there.That means CCP knows how to do it the just needs to adjust it to Dust.

Afford to lose? When I play seriously (highly coordinated team), there is no limit to what gets blown up on our front. We just call in another one. 7 dropships down, whatever, bring it on. There should be a disadvantage for consuming more resources, but there isn't. If the economy as it stands as an idea only facilitates the unlimited supply of stuff to any battle anywhere, then it is not a true economy, but a way to provide players a cool down. If you lose so much, then you can't use it for a bit (unless you get donations). But where people don't use certain equipment, a plethora of isk develops and that cool down is removed. I could fly 24/7 and lose a ship every game and still have another in the garage. It just doesn't matter. How in economics does an unlimited supply make any coherent sense?

War has always been decided by two things.

Supplies and money. To amass an army you need supplies. To get supplies you need funds.

Isk is still meaningless in any battle. No one is limited. EVER! In PC two fully proto'd sides duke it out. One usually has way more clones. There is nothing about that match that is affected by the economy. So basically it is just like any other game. And so are pubs. Your funds are at instant access at all times. If you could only use a limited amount of your isk in a battle then a true economy would be approximated. But there is no limit to what players can bring into a battle. It's like racing a car and being able to refuel your car instantly via teleport without having to slow down. Or never having to pit for repairs and maintenance. Economies take time to transition resources and are limited in the number of services rendered.