I don't believe tanks are op anymore, now, it's just the blaster turrets efficiency against infantry.

I'd argue that it's the blaster turret's AV efficiency that's the problem.

You just can't have a weapon that's both effective at AI and AV. Since missiles already have the CQC AV role, blasters should be solely purposed for AI.

Also don't forget the OP railgun.

I'd argue that it's the blaster turret's AV efficiency that's the problem.

You just can't have a weapon that's both effective at AI and AV. Since missiles already have the CQC AV role, blasters should be solely purposed for AI.

Also don't forget the OP railgun.

Haha, feckin class one with the paints and pie. It turns statistics into alot more fun to both learn and use

Yeh, I'm totally in agreement that there is something wrong if balance changes are being made to players gear first, rather than the mechanic that they are abusing. Push that redline well back with new ground/MCC spawns. I really dig the combined arms warfare aspect of the game, but they really need to implement vehicles better.

the hardener nerf was something im not a huge fan of but i guess thats one of removing the ability to tank through an orbital and just about everything else. though the main issue that should have been addressed was hardener cycling. remove the ability to cycle hardeners. by making one hardener activate the rest of the same type would have been better over all. and to add some extra in there have hardeners slow the vehicle down whilst active..

but with the nerf to hardener mods in any case. means we may need to scale down the damage mods to an equivalent level. preferably from 30% to 20%.

so that nerf wont actually gimp glass cannons in general. but it will make it easier for hardeners to defend against by a relatively small amount.

blaster is relatively the weakest av turret. since its rapid fire and relatively decent clip size make it viable for suppressing ground troops. but not down right slaughtering them.

in my own honest opinion. id rather by infantry going up against "tank spammers" over a proto stomper scrub team.

the reasons. u get now where with a full team of proto stompers. but at least u arent 100% knocked out of the fight with several tanks rolling about as they arent impossible to avoid. and easier to counter also.

(proto scrubs. yes it does take a freaking tank to kill them head on. im kinda tired of the fact that ppl are saying that u can kill proto ppl by shooting them from behind. sure its possible to kill them that way but since most of them roam in large groups its next to impossible as well. game will never be balanced until we tone down those gaps to where higher tiers will no longer have a massive advantage over lower tiers in nearly every aspect. thats whats ruining this game in the 1st place. in fact im sure it would add some diversity to gameplay if such a thing was added. as then we may no longer by seeing entire teams using the same suit/proto weapon every match.) as of right now the only part of the game thats balanced is the area when all the mlt new berries are fighting eachother.

1: missiles and rails are OP

2: missiles aren't for CQ; they're for medium-long range. right now they're more like rockets or torpedos (sort range).

3: it's a large turret; it should be able to still fight vehicles well. Otherwise, the point of a Gallente HAV is kinda silly if it's an all Gallente hull. blasters needs more alpha, less DPS (so damage buff, and ROF nerf).

Well I'm at it again, with my take on judge rhadamanthusesesesesssss latest video on swarm launcher buffing, but what is that I hear you say... "Bamm how can you disagree with the Judge Almighty" ?, well then you'll have to watch the video to find out .


DUST 514 : Tanks Not OP, Take 2.... You Have Been Judged !

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if a wykomi swarm launcher cant kill an afk armor tank due to 3x passive reppers... its OP

1: missiles and rails are OP

Those are some hot opinions there.

Get this, a rail sica with a single hardener will defeat even the most upgraded missile turret, a blaster sica with two hardeners will do the same

In fact, a rail sica can kill literally anything in the game with ease, while the missile turret is relegated to killing armour tanks and bad shield tankers. Only when you are decent with missiles can you use it as an anti air/anti infantry turret (memorize how to lead targets).

Therefore, missiles are the most deep and skill intensive large turrets while also being the most balanced. Stay mad scummy armour tanker!

Those are some hot opinions there.

Get this, a rail sica with a single hardener will defeat even the most upgraded missile turret, a blaster sica with two hardeners will do the same

In fact, a rail sica can kill literally anything in the game with ease, while the missile turret is relegated to killing armour tanks and bad shield tankers. Only when you are decent with missiles can you use it as an anti air/anti infantry turret (memorize how to lead targets).

Therefore, missiles are the most deep and skill intensive large turrets while also being the most balanced. Stay mad scummy armour tanker!

ASD's are getting one shotted by forges all over the place... if the forge actually fires...

:: Finger Paints ::

I'm not sure how changing the red line does not have knock on effects but changing in the railgun does. They both will in my view. I also had some trouble with the talk about how the community needs to work to make the game better and the problems with a win at all cost mentality while watching a video of a maxed out proto HMG, on a Q - synced proto team obliterating a team of hapless newberries.
. It is like you are talking about X while demonstrating the real cancer that eats at Dust.

Well I'm at it again, with my take on judge rhadamanthusesesesesssss latest video on swarm launcher buffing, but what is that I hear you say... "Bamm how can you disagree with the Judge Almighty" ?, well then you'll have to watch the video to find out .


DUST 514 : Tanks Not OP, Take 2.... You Have Been Judged !

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Your argument is that since that a explosive weapon can't kill a shield HAV easily (unless it's using the OP damage mods, in which case most things is sol), it's fine. However, that same turret will smash any armor HAV into the ground.

Additionally, these aren't even missiles. They're more like rockets.

It's absolutely rewarding when I'm able to score direct hits on infantry. I've had a fair amount of instances where I'd just shoot one missile at a moving target and score a direct hit on them, killing them instantly. It's SOO rewarding when I get to do that.

Always great to see a video from you Mr. Havoc.

But I still have a question....

Whistling Song... It haunts me.


As a Tanker, my only problem with tanks at the moment is the damage mods. With the nerf to hardeners, defense oriented tankers were hit fairly hard. Glass cannon tanks, like the double damage mod sica, were not changed at all. They kill me faster and I still kill them at the same speed.

Woooooo!!!! Bamm for CPM!!!

Man, Bamm...there hasn't been a video yet where I've thought, "eh" or just feel that you've lost sight of what's important. In each one of your videos you have always brought a constructive and objective point to be considered. It's a voice not common (or at least from my travels) and it is definitely needed. Bamm, I hope you stick around. Your opinion matters.

Great video. Right to the point, not fancy nancy just down to the basics.

"Instead of focusing on one small facet of the game, have a broader outlook on the actual game itself"

^So very true. Instead of thinking in the immediate and of ourselves, we need to start looking at the "down the road" projections. The what ifs and what nots. Undoubtedly the choices made have a domino effect that often does nothing to change the problem we are attempting to change and/or only lead others to another avenue that will just soon enough follow the same path.

As always thanks a bunch Bamm for your contribution.

I'd argue that it's the blaster turret's AV efficiency that's the problem.

You just can't have a weapon that's both effective at AI and AV. Since missiles already have the CQC AV role, blaster should be solely purposed for AI.

Also don't forget the OP railgun.

1. The railgun is not OP.

2. Blasters are not "effective" against vehicles and other tanks. Heck even a LAV driver worth his salt will be able to drive away before getting killed by a blaster. And as for other tanks: against armor tanked and hardened madrugars it sucks, and I don't have any problems blowing up pesky blaster tanks with my rail-Gunnlogi.

Blasters are only truly effective against infantry. Just because you CAN blow up a tank with a blaster (after spending almost half of your magazine), it doesen't mean it's "effective" at it.

Ugh. Of course you don't have a problem with blaster tanks because you're using the most OP weapon in the game! Railguns are not meant to be effective in CQC.

I think a range profile similar to the laser rifle will be the best for railguns. You'll actually have to think about your engagements instead of bum-rushing everything.

Well I'm at it again, with my take on judge rhadamanthusesesesesssss latest video on swarm launcher buffing, but what is that I hear you say... "Bamm how can you disagree with the Judge Almighty" ?, well then you'll have to watch the video to find out .


DUST 514 : Tanks Not OP, Take 2.... You Have Been Judged !

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You sound like the nicest person in the world.

Nice video btw.

sadly, no ....

Yeah I mean nothing by it. Some people just have nice voices. Like Canus, or Ceej, or the dulcet. demure, yet wholesomely promising tones of Aero Yassavi.

Any ETA when you get to speaking with Booker about trees and stuff again?

it will be up on Monday the 6th of april we have something special as well

So next year, as that is when the 6th of April is a Monday. Now that I am done being a smart ass: I look forward to it.

Just nerf the **** out of its turret rotation so that it's almost unusable in CQC. if a railgun were to move up to you, you would just circle around it until it dies.

Not over powered you say? Well than what do you call it when a 48k railgun can kill my 250k suit in one hit form, what is it now 300m off? And theirs nothing that me and my other proto AV brothers can do about it?
Is it skill?
Is it a smart investment?
Is it what I should have done 34mil skill points ago?

Sod off Bamm, fame has clouded your judgement.

Well, that won't work quite how you'd expect it to work. You'd have to be stupid to just sit there and try to turn your railgun while the other tank circles around you. No. All you have to do is drive away in a straight line with your railgun facing the enemy, and they can't do anything while you keep pounding them with your railgun.

sadly you missed the point I was trying to express in this video, the attitude of "win at any cost" is what you should have taken away from this ..... may I suggest the following vids:

http://youtu.be/dYFCqN13TII

DUST 514: Tanks Are NOT OP

apologies for any confusing



now if you excuse me, I have to yolo my swagger in a lambo with a fresh martini and some ray bands

If you say so... You do seem like a reasonable man, however my comment was less directed at the whole video and more at the first 3mins and the title. I mean your "point" felt more like a Pyrex type troll when the final kill bored showed you at 2rd with 23 and 0 with a full team of your own corp bros .

But I digress, I guess clarity is the cost of comedy (the pie bit at the start was most entertaining, good show old-boy :)