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BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 325	Posted - 2014.04.05 01:21:00 - [31] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Always great to see a video from you Mr. Havoc. But I still have a question.... Whistling Song... It haunts me. As a Tanker, my only problem with tanks at the moment is the damage mods. With the nerf to hardeners, defense oriented tankers were hit fairly hard. Glass cannon tanks, like the double damage mod sica, were not changed at all. They kill me faster and I still kill them at the same speed. that whistling song will be in my next video and I will tell you how to get hold of it, it is very catchy yeah the damage mods took a hard hit from the nerf bat, it is abit frustrating but I can see why they did it . I Drink Because I Play DUST514
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 326	Posted - 2014.04.05 14:14:00 - [32] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Woooooo!!!! Bamm for CPM!!! Man, Bamm...there hasn't been a video yet where I've thought, "eh" or just feel that you've lost sight of what's important. In each one of your videos you have always brought a constructive and objective point to be considered. It's a voice not common (or at least from my travels) and it is definitely needed. Bamm, I hope you stick around. Your opinion matters. Great video. Right to the point, not fancy nancy just down to the basics. "Instead of focusing on one small facet of the game, have a broader outlook on the actual game itself" ^So very true. Instead of thinking in the immediate and of ourselves, we need to start looking at the "down the road" projections. The what ifs and what nots. Undoubtedly the choices made have a domino effect that often does nothing to change the problem we are attempting to change and/or only lead others to another avenue that will just soon enough follow the same path. As always thanks a bunch Bamm for your contribution. you made me blush I Drink Because I Play DUST514
Leonid Tybalt Inner.Hell 438	Posted - 2014.04.05 14:20:00 - [33] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: I don't believe tanks are op anymore, now, it's just the blaster turrets efficiency against infantry. I'd argue that it's the blaster turret's AV efficiency that's the problem. You just can't have a weapon that's both effective at AI and AV. Since missiles already have the CQC AV role, blaster should be solely purposed for AI. Also don't forget the OP railgun. 1. The railgun is not OP. 2. Blasters are not "effective" against vehicles and other tanks. Heck even a LAV driver worth his salt will be able to drive away before getting killed by a blaster. And as for other tanks: against armor tanked and hardened madrugars it sucks, and I don't have any problems blowing up pesky blaster tanks with my rail-Gunnlogi. Blasters are only truly effective against infantry. Just because you CAN blow up a tank with a blaster (after spending almost half of your magazine), it doesen't mean it's "effective" at it.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3249	Posted - 2014.04.05 14:21:00 - [34] - Quote Part 1: Engineering & Capacitors Part 2: Armor & Shield Part 3: Modules & Skills Part 4: Vehicles Part 5: Overview
Scout Registry Nos Nothi 2028	Posted - 2014.04.05 14:27:00 - [35] - Quote Somebody poke me when my Proto Swarms work again. :: Flips bird :: :: Walks away ::
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1507	Posted - 2014.04.05 14:28:00 - [36] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Harpyja wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: I don't believe tanks are op anymore, now, it's just the blaster turrets efficiency against infantry. I'd argue that it's the blaster turret's AV efficiency that's the problem. You just can't have a weapon that's both effective at AI and AV. Since missiles already have the CQC AV role, blaster should be solely purposed for AI. Also don't forget the OP railgun. 1. The railgun is not OP. 2. Blasters are not "effective" against vehicles and other tanks. Heck even a LAV driver worth his salt will be able to drive away before getting killed by a blaster. And as for other tanks: against armor tanked and hardened madrugars it sucks, and I don't have any problems blowing up pesky blaster tanks with my rail-Gunnlogi. Blasters are only truly effective against infantry. Just because you CAN blow up a tank with a blaster (after spending almost half of your magazine), it doesen't mean it's "effective" at it. Ugh. Of course you don't have a problem with blaster tanks because you're using the most OP weapon in the game! Railguns are not meant to be effective in CQC. I think a range profile similar to the laser rifle will be the best for railguns. You'll actually have to think about your engagements instead of bum-rushing everything. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Alpha 443-6732 General Tso's Alliance 394	Posted - 2014.04.06 17:37:00 - [37] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Harpyja wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: I don't believe tanks are op anymore, now, it's just the blaster turrets efficiency against infantry. I'd argue that it's the blaster turret's AV efficiency that's the problem. You just can't have a weapon that's both effective at AI and AV. Since missiles already have the CQC AV role, blaster should be solely purposed for AI. Also don't forget the OP railgun. 1. The railgun is not OP. 2. Blasters are not "effective" against vehicles and other tanks. Heck even a LAV driver worth his salt will be able to drive away before getting killed by a blaster. And as for other tanks: against armor tanked and hardened madrugars it sucks, and I don't have any problems blowing up pesky blaster tanks with my rail-Gunnlogi. Blasters are only truly effective against infantry. Just because you CAN blow up a tank with a blaster (after spending almost half of your magazine), it doesen't mean it's "effective" at it. Ugh. Of course you don't have a problem with blaster tanks because you're using the most OP weapon in the game! Railguns are not meant to be effective in CQC. I think a range profile similar to the laser rifle will be the best for railguns. You'll actually have to think about your engagements instead of bum-rushing everything. Just nerf the **** out of its turret rotation so that it's almost unusable in CQC. if a railgun were to move up to you, you would just circle around it until it dies.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9272	Posted - 2014.04.06 18:51:00 - [38] - Quote BAMM HAVOC wrote: Well I'm at it again, with my take on judge rhadamanthusesesesesssss latest video on swarm launcher buffing, but what is that I hear you say... "Bamm how can you disagree with the Judge Almighty" ?, well then you'll have to watch the video to find out . DUST 514 : Tanks Not OP, Take 2.... You Have Been Judged ! o7 You sound like the nicest person in the world. Nice video btw. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 327	Posted - 2014.04.06 20:32:00 - [39] - Quote True Adamance wrote: BAMM HAVOC wrote: Well I'm at it again, with my take on judge rhadamanthusesesesesssss latest video on swarm launcher buffing, but what is that I hear you say... "Bamm how can you disagree with the Judge Almighty" ?, well then you'll have to watch the video to find out . DUST 514 : Tanks Not OP, Take 2.... You Have Been Judged ! o7 You sound like the nicest person in the world. Nice video btw. sadly, no .... I Drink Because I Play DUST514
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 731	Posted - 2014.04.06 20:34:00 - [40] - Quote With all the whining about Blaster turrets effectiveness against infantry, I really wonder at how Autocannon and Pulse turrets will be implemented. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9275	Posted - 2014.04.06 20:34:00 - [41] - Quote BAMM HAVOC wrote: True Adamance wrote: BAMM HAVOC wrote: Well I'm at it again, with my take on judge rhadamanthusesesesesssss latest video on swarm launcher buffing, but what is that I hear you say... "Bamm how can you disagree with the Judge Almighty" ?, well then you'll have to watch the video to find out . DUST 514 : Tanks Not OP, Take 2.... You Have Been Judged ! o7 You sound like the nicest person in the world. Nice video btw. sadly, no .... Yeah I mean nothing by it. Some people just have nice voices. Like Canus, or Ceej, or the dulcet. demure, yet wholesomely promising tones of Aero Yassavi. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 1041	Posted - 2014.04.06 20:35:00 - [42] - Quote Any ETA when you get to speaking with Booker about trees and stuff again? "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 327	Posted - 2014.04.06 20:39:00 - [43] - Quote True Adamance wrote: BAMM HAVOC wrote: True Adamance wrote: BAMM HAVOC wrote: Well I'm at it again, with my take on judge rhadamanthusesesesesssss latest video on swarm launcher buffing, but what is that I hear you say... "Bamm how can you disagree with the Judge Almighty" ?, well then you'll have to watch the video to find out . DUST 514 : Tanks Not OP, Take 2.... You Have Been Judged ! o7 You sound like the nicest person in the world. Nice video btw. sadly, no .... Yeah I mean nothing by it. Some people just have nice voices. Like Canus, or Ceej, or the dulcet. demure, yet wholesomely promising tones of Aero Yassavi. none taken, just don't hear that I have a nice voice ... I think you are the first to say that, cheers btw I Drink Because I Play DUST514
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 327	Posted - 2014.04.06 20:43:00 - [44] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Any ETA when you get to speaking with Booker about trees and stuff again? it will be up on Monday the 6th of april we have something special as well I Drink Because I Play DUST514
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 1042	Posted - 2014.04.06 21:27:00 - [45] - Quote BAMM HAVOC wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Any ETA when you get to speaking with Booker about trees and stuff again? it will be up on Monday the 6th of april we have something special as well So next year, as that is when the 6th of April is a Monday. Now that I am done being a smart ass: I look forward to it. "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 328	Posted - 2014.04.06 21:43:00 - [46] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: BAMM HAVOC wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Any ETA when you get to speaking with Booker about trees and stuff again? it will be up on Monday the 6th of april we have something special as well So next year, as that is when the 6th of April is a Monday. Now that I am done being a smart ass: I look forward to it. lol typos lol o7 yeah I ment the 7th I Drink Because I Play DUST514
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2410	Posted - 2014.04.06 21:59:00 - [47] - Quote Can't +1 this enough bamm, a lot of home truths. I will however say, I don't think the Railgun Range Nerf is permanent. This kind of thing isn't CCP's usually MO. If anything its more of Band Aid than a fix. You have to consider, if CCP turned round and said, we've listened to Community Feedback and we are gonna move the redline back. But it's gonna take 3 MORE months of this current state of affairs while we deal with the knock on effects of this. The community would go crazy, why are you doing this, why are you doing that? Don't do this, don't do that, do this, fix it this way. What they have done is said. Here is a fix, this will plaster over the main problems we aren't gonna tell you any more while we work on it. Its effectively them turning round and saying we aren't gonna put up with this (redline rail tanks) but at the same time we don't have the time/resources available to give the fix you deserve. I have no doubt the Railgun range will eventually rebuffed, but it's given CCP breathing room on the matter. Like you shutting up the annoying kid in the back. Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1527	Posted - 2014.04.06 22:04:00 - [48] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Harpyja wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Harpyja wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: I don't believe tanks are op anymore, now, it's just the blaster turrets efficiency against infantry. I'd argue that it's the blaster turret's AV efficiency that's the problem. You just can't have a weapon that's both effective at AI and AV. Since missiles already have the CQC AV role, blaster should be solely purposed for AI. Also don't forget the OP railgun. 1. The railgun is not OP. 2. Blasters are not "effective" against vehicles and other tanks. Heck even a LAV driver worth his salt will be able to drive away before getting killed by a blaster. And as for other tanks: against armor tanked and hardened madrugars it sucks, and I don't have any problems blowing up pesky blaster tanks with my rail-Gunnlogi. Blasters are only truly effective against infantry. Just because you CAN blow up a tank with a blaster (after spending almost half of your magazine), it doesen't mean it's "effective" at it. Ugh. Of course you don't have a problem with blaster tanks because you're using the most OP weapon in the game! Railguns are not meant to be effective in CQC. I think a range profile similar to the laser rifle will be the best for railguns. You'll actually have to think about your engagements instead of bum-rushing everything. Just nerf the **** out of its turret rotation so that it's almost unusable in CQC. if a railgun were to move up to you, you would just circle around it until it dies. Well, that won't work quite how you'd expect it to work. You'd have to be stupid to just sit there and try to turn your railgun while the other tank circles around you. No. All you have to do is drive away in a straight line with your railgun facing the enemy, and they can't do anything while you keep pounding them with your railgun. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32 Atiim didn't agree with limiting tanks!
Klash 816 Sanguis Defense Syndicate 73	Posted - 2014.04.06 22:10:00 - [49] - Quote Not over powered you say? Well than what do you call it when a 48k railgun can kill my 250k suit in one hit form, what is it now 300m off? And theirs nothing that me and my other proto AV brothers can do about it? Is it skill? Is it a smart investment? Is it what I should have done 34mil skill points ago? Sod off Bamm, fame has clouded your judgement. *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* With Blood and Iron We Klash-
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 329	Posted - 2014.04.06 22:46:00 - [50] - Quote Klash 816 wrote: Not over powered you say? Well than what do you call it when a 48k railgun can kill my 250k suit in one hit form, what is it now 300m off? And theirs nothing that me and my other proto AV brothers can do about it? Is it skill? Is it a smart investment? Is it what I should have done 34mil skill points ago? Sod off Bamm, fame has clouded your judgement. sadly you missed the point I was trying to express in this video, the attitude of "win at any cost" is what you should have taken away from this ..... may I suggest the following vids: http://youtu.be/dYFCqN13TII DUST 514: Tanks Are NOT OP apologies for any confusing now if you excuse me, I have to yolo my swagger in a lambo with a fresh martini and some ray bands I Drink Because I Play DUST514

Alpha 443-6732 General Tso's Alliance 401	Posted - 2014.04.06 22:51:00 - [51] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Well, that won't work quite how you'd expect it to work. You'd have to be stupid to just sit there and try to turn your railgun while the other tank circles around you. No. All you have to do is drive away in a straight line with your railgun facing the enemy, and they can't do anything while you keep pounding them with your railgun. What if you were to sneak up behind him? What if CCP fixed tank collision so that people actually get damaged when driving into things like a ******? What if CCP nerfed the railgun so that a militia one wont 2 shot my gunnlogi?
Klash 816 Sanguis Defense Syndicate 74	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:19:00 - [52] - Quote BAMM HAVOC wrote: Klash 816 wrote: Not over powered you say? Well than what do you call it when a 48k railgun can kill my 250k suit in one hit form, what is it now 300m off? And theirs nothing that me and my other proto AV brothers can do about it? Is it skill? Is it a smart investment? Is it what I should have done 34mil skill points ago? Sod off Bamm, fame has clouded your judgement. sadly you missed the point I was trying to express in this video, the attitude of "win at any cost" is what you should have taken away from this ..... may I suggest the following vids: http://youtu.be/dYFCqN13TII DUST 514: Tanks Are NOT OP apologies for any confusing now if you excuse me, I have to yolo my swagger in a lambo with a fresh martini and some ray bands If you say so... You do seem like a reasonable man, however my comment was less directed at the whole video and more at the first 3mins and the title. I mean your "point" felt more like a Pyrex type troll when the final kill bored showed you at 2rd with 23 and 0 with a full team of your own corp bros . But I digress, I guess clarity is the cost of comedy (the pie bit at the start was most entertaining, good show old-boy :) *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* With Blood and Iron We Klash-
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 330	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:50:00 - [53] - Quote Klash 816 wrote: BAMM HAVOC wrote: Klash 816 wrote: Not over powered you say? Well than what do you call it when a 48k railgun can kill my 250k suit in one hit form, what is it now 300m off? And theirs nothing that me and my other proto AV brothers can do about it? Is it skill? Is it a smart investment? Is it what I should have done 34mil skill points ago? Sod off Bamm, fame has clouded your judgement. sadly you missed the point I was trying to express in this video, the attitude of "win at any cost" is what you should have taken away from this ..... may I suggest the following vids: http://youtu.be/dYFCqN13TII DUST 514: Tanks Are NOT OP apologies for any confusing now if you excuse me, I have to yolo my swagger in a lambo with a fresh martini and some ray bands If you say so... You do seem like a reasonable man, however my comment was less directed at the whole video and more at the first 3mins and the title. I mean your "point" felt more like a Pyrex type troll when the final kill bored showed you at 2rd with 23 and 0 with a full team of your own corp bros . But I digress, I guess clarity is the cost of comedy (the pie bit at the start was most entertaining, good show old-boy :) i left that part of the footage in as i wanted to show that i am as guilty as everyone else for adopting this attitude of win at all costs, as you have pointed out i don't do serious and that's a good point i play DUST 514 for fun because i enjoy it as well as editing and posting videos on my ****** youtube channel, believe it or not there is method to my madness, there is a 3rd video im working on, im just waiting for a few statistics from ccp before i post it up ...... hopefully it will all make sense when the 3rd appears . I Drink Because I Play DUST514


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