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Soldiersaint
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
801
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Posted - 2014.04.03 16:36:00 -
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Why is it that every time we start healing people our exp gets cut off. we should not have to go look for someone to kill so we can continue to gain exp from healing. And to make things worse you made a dedicated healing suit. how can you expect anyone to be a healer if you keep taking away the money that they worked hard for? Every match I play I am always the only healer. Its because nobody wants to deal with the exp cap. If you get rid of that cap more people will want to be healers. Also do not allow points from healing to count towards and ob. that will keep the whining kill players happy and I will help us healer logis. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1861
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Posted - 2014.04.03 16:49:00 -
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Because way back in Closed beta players found ways to endlessly farm points and were able to do it very easily. This lead to excessive Orbital Drops, we're talking like 20+ in a match. I'd rather not go back to that.
Like my ideas?
Pokey Dravon for CPM1
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Soldiersaint
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
804
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Posted - 2014.04.03 18:00:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Because way back in Closed beta players found ways to endlessly farm points and were able to do it very easily. This lead to excessive Orbital Drops, we're talking like 20+ in a match. I'd rather not go back to that.
All they have to do is make it so you cant get an ob with heal points. You did not read my post did you? How about I take away your points for killing and hacking. I bet you will love that. CCP get rid of the cap. It needs to go. Im not going to stop posting about this. Im tired of getting the short end of the stick as a healer. |
Soldiersaint
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
804
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Posted - 2014.04.03 18:09:00 -
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The Repair tool Is what attracted me to this game. the idea of never having to fire your gun ever. The fact that you could turn a battle around solely from healing and reviving. The only game I ever played that was like that was Mag. I thought this game would put its own unique twist on that but instead it spits In the face of all dedicated healers. All because of some stupid Orbital attack. CCP this isn't right. Why have you changed this system yet? I need someone from CCP to tell me directly. I want to continue playing this game and I want to support it. If the game is going to continue going this way no one will want to be a healer. |
Harpyja
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1477
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Posted - 2014.04.03 18:09:00 -
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I thought CCP removed the cap for triage? Or have they brought it back? I stopped playing logi with 1.8 so I don't know.
"By His light, and His will"
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Soldiersaint
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
804
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Posted - 2014.04.03 18:10:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:I thought CCP removed the cap for triage? Or have they brought it back? I stopped playing logi with 1.8 so I don't know.
It never left. For dedicated healers its painful. |
Odigos Ellinas
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2014.04.03 18:28:00 -
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+1
Remove the cut instead you can do one of this:
a) remove guardian war points from OB (i still see 5 ppl reping the SL when he drops the OB)
b)limited guardian war points from OB only to 1 person.
Other idea for preventing useless war point farming:
Make every time only the first one with the repair tool get war paints all repair tools work but only the first guy gets the points.
The tactical advantage to keep you teammate alive with multiple remote repair tools is reward enough. Making it that the first one gets the WP end not the most powerful helps new players get SP. |
Meee One
Hello Kitty Commandos
692
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Posted - 2014.04.03 19:01:00 -
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Odigos Ellinas wrote:+1
Remove the cut instead you can do one of this:
a) remove guardian war points from OB (i still see 5 ppl reping the SL when he drops the OB)
b)limited guardian war points from OB only to 1 person.
Other idea for preventing useless war point farming:
Make every time only the first one with the repair tool get war paints all repair tools work but only the first guy gets the points.
The tactical advantage to keep you teammate alive with multiple remote repair tools is reward enough. Making it that the first one gets the WP end not the most powerful helps new players get SP.
NO.
There have been times when i've been following a heavy,pull out my rep tool to heal them only to find a scout with a basic rep tool has beat me to it.Yet i still use mine because if i don't the heavy would die.
And you want me to get 0 rewards for it?
What your suggesting would effectively make my 25k+ investment for my Pro level rep tool worthless.
And i'm a Min Logi,the one that's actually meant to heal
John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
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Walter Blanch
THE REZISTANCE
0
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Posted - 2014.04.03 20:06:00 -
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Odigos Ellinas wrote:+1
Remove the cut instead you can do one of this:
a) remove guardian war points from OB (i still see 5 ppl reping the SL when he drops the OB)
b)limited guardian war points from OB only to 1 person.
Other idea for preventing useless war point farming:
Make every time only the first one with the repair tool get war paints all repair tools work but only the first guy gets the points.
The tactical advantage to keep you teammate alive with multiple remote repair tools is reward enough. Making it that the first one gets the WP end not the most powerful helps new players get SP.
I really like this idea. I was never fond of the fact that if you get 5 rep tools on the squad leader, have the bubble on him and get 6 kills with your orbital, you've earned another orbital. I have no problems with this situation if the person being repped is using his weaponry to do the killing, but this many points from dropping an orbital just feels wrong to me. |
Odigos Ellinas
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2014.04.03 20:12:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Odigos Ellinas wrote:+1
Remove the cut instead you can do one of this:
a) remove guardian war points from OB (i still see 5 ppl reping the SL when he drops the OB)
b)limited guardian war points from OB only to 1 person.
Other idea for preventing useless war point farming:
Make every time only the first one with the repair tool get war paints all repair tools work but only the first guy gets the points.
The tactical advantage to keep you teammate alive with multiple remote repair tools is reward enough. Making it that the first one gets the WP end not the most powerful helps new players get SP. NO. There have been times when i've been following a heavy,pull out my rep tool to heal them only to find a scout with a basic rep tool has beat me to it.Yet i still use mine because if i don't the heavy would die. And you want me to get 0 rewards for it? What your suggesting would effectively make my 25k+ investment for my Pro level rep tool worthless. And i'm a Min Logi,the one that's actually meant to heal
The heavy has the advantage of both repair tools.
Your reward is your heavy will live longer make more kills. Its a tactical reward. |
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Soldiersaint
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
807
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Posted - 2014.04.03 22:18:00 -
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Keep giving ideas you guys! But also make sure the idea results in getting rid of the stupid wp cap please. |
Soldiersaint
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
807
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Posted - 2014.04.03 22:19:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Odigos Ellinas wrote:+1
Remove the cut instead you can do one of this:
a) remove guardian war points from OB (i still see 5 ppl reping the SL when he drops the OB)
b)limited guardian war points from OB only to 1 person.
Other idea for preventing useless war point farming:
Make every time only the first one with the repair tool get war paints all repair tools work but only the first guy gets the points.
The tactical advantage to keep you teammate alive with multiple remote repair tools is reward enough. Making it that the first one gets the WP end not the most powerful helps new players get SP. NO. There have been times when i've been following a heavy,pull out my rep tool to heal them only to find a scout with a basic rep tool has beat me to it.Yet i still use mine because if i don't the heavy would die. And you want me to get 0 rewards for it? What your suggesting would effectively make my 25k+ investment for my Pro level rep tool worthless. And i'm a Min Logi,the one that's actually meant to heal
I agree with this. I am thankful but I cant stand It when some guy playing as a scout with a militia repair tool comes around because he doesn't know what he wants to do. |
MoonEagle A
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
162
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Posted - 2014.04.03 22:20:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:The Repair tool Is what attracted me to this game. the idea of never having to fire your gun ever. The fact that you could turn a battle around solely from healing and reviving. The only game I ever played that was like that was Mag. I thought this game would put its own unique twist on that but instead it spits In the face of all dedicated healers. All because of some stupid Orbital attack. CCP this isn't right. Why have you changed this system yet? I need someone from CCP to tell me directly. I want to continue playing this game and I want to support it. If the game is going to continue going this way no one will want to be a healer.
You are like my Dust twin. :)
Valor on MAG? |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1874
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Posted - 2014.04.03 22:29:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Because way back in Closed beta players found ways to endlessly farm points and were able to do it very easily. This lead to excessive Orbital Drops, we're talking like 20+ in a match. I'd rather not go back to that. All they have to do is make it so you cant get an ob with heal points. You did not read my post did you? How about I take away your points for killing and hacking. I bet you will love that. CCP get rid of the cap. It needs to go. Im not going to stop posting about this. Im tired of getting the short end of the stick as a healer.
War Points are War Points, there are no "Heal Points" or "Kill Points" or "Hack Points"
Also you do realize that experience gained is primarily based off of time spent in battle and not off War Points? Even ISK payout is based more around Fiscal Damage dealt to the enemy team. War points are just used to calculate slight modifiers, but they are not the primary variable.
And even so, Logistics with repair tools typically are on the top of the Leaderboard because of it, I would know since I run Minmatar Logistics 90% of the time and use the hell out of the repair tool. So yes, I did read your post, I just disagree with you.
Like my ideas?
Pokey Dravon for CPM1
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Meee One
Hello Kitty Commandos
703
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Posted - 2014.04.03 22:55:00 -
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Odigos Ellinas wrote:Meee One wrote:Odigos Ellinas wrote:+1
Remove the cut instead you can do one of this:
a) remove guardian war points from OB (i still see 5 ppl reping the SL when he drops the OB)
b)limited guardian war points from OB only to 1 person.
Other idea for preventing useless war point farming:
Make every time only the first one with the repair tool get war paints all repair tools work but only the first guy gets the points.
The tactical advantage to keep you teammate alive with multiple remote repair tools is reward enough. Making it that the first one gets the WP end not the most powerful helps new players get SP. NO. There have been times when i've been following a heavy,pull out my rep tool to heal them only to find a scout with a basic rep tool has beat me to it.Yet i still use mine because if i don't the heavy would die. And you want me to get 0 rewards for it? What your suggesting would effectively make my 25k+ investment for my Pro level rep tool worthless. And i'm a Min Logi,the one that's actually meant to heal The heavy has the advantage of both repair tools. Your reward is your heavy will live longer make more kills. Its a tactical reward.
Will you be paying for my suits because i can't score high enough to afford them anymore?
I think not.
Your version of "loltactics" are worthless to my bottom line.
I would go 100% broke if this retardation was implemented.
I bet you don't even logi,you're probably just a pissed off assault using a forum ALT because you're mad someone with 0 kills is beat you in WP.
And stop using the word "tactical" you're obviously too stupid to understand what it really means.
John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1847
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Posted - 2014.04.04 01:34:00 -
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Even with the cap, healer logis have a disproportionately high WP value compared to other players. I don't see a huge problem with the cap at this time. If healer logis are ever undervalued in WP, they can always nudge the cap upwards, but there's no need to at this juncture.
(I say this as someone who does a lot of healer logi'ing.)
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Vaux Karn
The Mercenary Collective
51
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Posted - 2014.04.04 01:37:00 -
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Here is an idea that could fix the issues...
1. Make WP earned for triage proportional to how much you repair, such as X amount of armor repaired earns a triage bonus (meaning prototype gains WP faster than standard as they rep faster). Also different values for dropsuits and vehicles would be required for balance to prevent abuse.
2. Separate WP for triage and guardian (25 WP for triage, 10 WP for guardian).
3. Divide WP for guardian between all repairers (thus 5 guys repairing squad leader when he calls in orbital results in 2 WP per kill for each repairer).
4. Add a notification of some kind for the guy getting repaired...it is pointless to try to repair the guy that always runs away from you (this is just good for everyone).
Step 4 is optional, but would be greatly appreciated by everyone. The other 3 steps could fix the problem though and allow for removal of the cap. WP rewards could be adjusted to reflect the changes, maybe some other tweaks as well, but this may be a good solution. Feedback would be great. |
Meee One
Hello Kitty Commandos
704
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Posted - 2014.04.04 02:56:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Even with the cap, healer logis have a disproportionately high WP value compared to other players. I don't see a huge problem with the cap at this time. If healer logis are ever undervalued in WP, they can always nudge the cap upwards, but there's no need to at this juncture.
(I say this as someone who does a lot of healer logi'ing.)
Well,i don't like the cap but i can understand why it's there.
There have been many battles where i was repping the only two people fighting on the front line preventing us from being pushed back,and getting 0 wp because of that cap.
John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
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Boot Booter
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
376
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Posted - 2014.04.04 03:37:00 -
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The only thing that makes sense is that if you lock to one person for an extending amount of time, you get diminishing WP.. i.e instead of hitting the cap the amount of WP slows down, probably in some parabolic fashion.
But because nothing else makes sense in this game I will say, Dear OP, get gud... the cap is there because you as a 'healer' would abuse getting unlimited WP. The rep tool already automatically puts you in first place, why do you need more? |
Meee One
Hello Kitty Commandos
716
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Posted - 2014.04.04 07:24:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:The only thing that makes sense is that if you lock to one person for an extending amount of time, you get diminishing WP.. i.e instead of hitting the cap the amount of WP slows down, probably in some parabolic fashion.
But because nothing else makes sense in this game I will say, Dear OP, get gud... the cap is there because you as a 'healer' would abuse getting unlimited WP. The rep tool already automatically puts you in first place, why do you need more?
Says an ignorant non-logi.
Tell ya what,you go do it for a few matches,them come back here and report to us how many times you were killed first for simply being a logi.
Then try it with a rep tool.
John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
2577
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Posted - 2014.04.04 07:37:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:Keep giving ideas you guys! But also make sure the idea results in getting rid of the stupid wp cap please.
When I'm glued to a heavy I regularly pull 3k WP.
I spend more than half the match capped.
Try shooting people. A kill seems to reset the counter.
ak.0 4 LYFE
Give me a reason to dampen my Assault, CCP!
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Meee One
Hello Kitty Commandos
717
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Posted - 2014.04.04 09:56:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Keep giving ideas you guys! But also make sure the idea results in getting rid of the stupid wp cap please. When I'm glued to a heavy I regularly pull 3k WP. I spend more than half the match capped. Try shooting people. A kill seems to reset the counter.
It doesn't,there is an overall WP cap.
John 15:13-Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
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Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
738
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Posted - 2014.04.04 11:41:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Keep giving ideas you guys! But also make sure the idea results in getting rid of the stupid wp cap please. When I'm glued to a heavy I regularly pull 3k WP. I spend more than half the match capped. Try shooting people. A kill seems to reset the counter. It doesn't,there is an overall WP cap.
Well it can't be too low, because this happened.
Amarr Master - All Amarr Dropsuits at lvl 5.
Ghosts Chance's hero for 3/1/14.
A manu dei et tet rimon.
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Soldiersaint
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
814
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Posted - 2014.04.04 14:24:00 -
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MoonEagle A wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:The Repair tool Is what attracted me to this game. the idea of never having to fire your gun ever. The fact that you could turn a battle around solely from healing and reviving. The only game I ever played that was like that was Mag. I thought this game would put its own unique twist on that but instead it spits In the face of all dedicated healers. All because of some stupid Orbital attack. CCP this isn't right. Why have you changed this system yet? I need someone from CCP to tell me directly. I want to continue playing this game and I want to support it. If the game is going to continue going this way no one will want to be a healer. You are like my Dust twin. :) Valor on MAG?
I was actually in Sver but its good to know that there were other soldiers who were dedicated to healing there brothers in arms. |
Soldiersaint
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
814
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Posted - 2014.04.04 14:29:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:The only thing that makes sense is that if you lock to one person for an extending amount of time, you get diminishing WP.. i.e instead of hitting the cap the amount of WP slows down, probably in some parabolic fashion.
But because nothing else makes sense in this game I will say, Dear OP, get gud... the cap is there because you as a 'healer' would abuse getting unlimited WP. The rep tool already automatically puts you in first place, why do you need more?
I dont care about stats but that cap needs to go. the only game in the world that puts a cap on healers is this game. and get good? Really? i dont play to kill like you. I play to heal and revive. all of my money comes from that ok. The cap needs to go so dedicated healers can benefit. At the same time we have to find a way to get rid of stat padding assault players who use the logi suits. |
Soldiersaint
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
814
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Posted - 2014.04.04 14:47:00 -
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Remember the idea has to lead to the eventual removal of the logi repair tool cap. Unless that cap is removed no one will want to play as a healer logi. 9 times out of 10 im the only guy playing as a healer logi. That is not good. |
Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
404
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:10:00 -
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As a proto mini logi, I believe I have some experience in repping. I haven't hit the cap in a long time, it does seem like I only get rep points in combat... then again, I may just be dying before I can hit the cap, as the mini logi is pretty weak ehp wise.
-Sincerely
--The Dual Swarm Commando
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Soldiersaint
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
814
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Posted - 2014.04.04 21:21:00 -
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Dauth Jenkins wrote:As a proto mini logi, I believe I have some experience in repping. I haven't hit the cap in a long time, it does seem like I only get rep points in combat... then again, I may just be dying before I can hit the cap, as the mini logi is pretty weak ehp wise.
Indeed. I use a tech 1 minnie logi with a tech 3 rep tool but as long as i have a fluffy heavy next to me i never seem to die. but lately every one has been shooting at only me because they know im a dedicated healer. Its really hurting my ability to help my team. |
Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
Red Whines.
549
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Posted - 2014.04.04 21:23:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:Why is it that every time we start healing people our exp gets cut off. we should not have to go look for someone to kill so we can continue to gain exp from healing. And to make things worse you made a dedicated healing suit. how can you expect anyone to be a healer if you keep taking away the money that they worked hard for? Every match I play I am always the only healer. Its because nobody wants to deal with the exp cap. If you get rid of that cap more people will want to be healers. Also do not allow points from healing to count towards and ob. that will keep the whining kill players happy and I will help us healer logis.
Agree, if WP from rep is cut by 20 points.
(Triage will grants : 5 WP, but endlessly.) |
Soldiersaint
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
814
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Posted - 2014.04.04 21:54:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Why is it that every time we start healing people our exp gets cut off. we should not have to go look for someone to kill so we can continue to gain exp from healing. And to make things worse you made a dedicated healing suit. how can you expect anyone to be a healer if you keep taking away the money that they worked hard for? Every match I play I am always the only healer. Its because nobody wants to deal with the exp cap. If you get rid of that cap more people will want to be healers. Also do not allow points from healing to count towards and ob. that will keep the whining kill players happy and I will help us healer logis. Agree, if WP from rep is cut by 20 points. (Triage will grants : 5 WP, but endlessly.)
I agree with this completely. Anything is better then getting our points locked. |
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