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Magpie Raven ZionTCD 397	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:36:00 - [1] - Quote Please don't do it. Why would you finally put the heavy suit in a good position just to club it over the head with the nerf hammer? If heavies needed nerfing the forums would be lit up with complaints about it. But Its not. Maybe tweak a few things but dont nerf it. Ive seen good cases made for increasing Caldari Shield and decreasing armor and vice versa with gallente. That I could live with. But not the flat 20% HP nerf ive been hearing about
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1634	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:42:00 - [2] - Quote Suit is completely fine... The Heavy Suits are what EVERYONE asked for. The HMG has crazy damage potential.. If anything its that as the issue. (But frankly don't need a balance until more Heavy racial variant weapons come out, would be a waste of time otherwise imo) Heavy suits and health values are just gorgeous.. and a step in the right direction.
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 201	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:44:00 - [3] - Quote You have to understand majority of dust players are bad and cant adapt.They only know pew pew and anything that requires tactics to beat is op.If you want to stay safe get a assault suit, rail rifle and QQ on the boards when you lose.
buzzzzzzz killllllllll TRA1LBLAZERS 401	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:44:00 - [4] - Quote But they accidentally fixed the heavy suit and even made it balanced, so they have to nerf it now. Dedicated heavy through the hard times, still supporter of A FULL 1.8 respec and MOAR HEAVY WEAPONS!
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4810	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:51:00 - [5] - Quote Haven't seen many "nerf heavy" threads tbh... but I don't come here everyday so I might have missed them. If heavies were OP, you'll see the whole front page of people complaining. Since they're not that OP, which doesn't induce butthurt QQ, i won't expect a nerf. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 312	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:59:00 - [6] - Quote I waited a year for racial heavies. Now i am afraid to spend any of my 11 million unalocatted sp because of a possible nerf to heavy suits so im still using my free dren bpo. This only happens in CCP world Scouts are the actual isuue right now, not heavies thats imho but i might be bissed since i like to play a heavy
J0LLY R0G3R Dirt Nap Squad. 686	Posted - 2014.04.02 20:07:00 - [7] - Quote Needs Moar HP! ++++Gimme Back my SG RoF++++ XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
Espartoi Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 165	Posted - 2014.04.02 20:10:00 - [8] - Quote Uprising 1.8 Hotfix Information Is delayed so heavies still have a chance to survive, all depends if QQers doesn't unite. I win you lose.
Tek Hound Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 201	Posted - 2014.04.02 20:15:00 - [9] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I waited a year for racial heavies. Now i am afraid to spend any of my 11 million unalocatted sp because of a possible nerf to heavy suits so im still using my free dren bpo. This only happens in CCP world Scouts are the actual isuue right now, not heavies thats imho but i might be bissed since i like to play a heavy Scout are not a issue its player refusal to adapt to a changing battlefield.
Rusty Shallows 1372	Posted - 2014.04.02 20:23:00 - [10] - Quote When armor plates got their buff we were told not to panic but they were considering putting a penalty for using shield mods. We all know how that turned out. We have been warned so people are better off planning accordingly. The question at this point is will it be the original -20% value the in-house play-testing found, the -5% that was said in a post reply buried here in General Discussions, or some number in-between. My original plan was to wait a week or two after Uprising 1.8 and make careful SP expenditures. After the hotfix warning (many thanks for that information) I decided to hold until things become clearer. So far the only ramifications have been my Main isn't as fun to play with this cloud above him and my Minja/Combat Engineer ALTs are actually very enjoyable now. It looks like O'Dell was right. You can't nerf high SP vets or in my case three accounts with about 58 million SP between them. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>

Vinny Gar grief thief 6	Posted - 2014.04.02 20:34:00 - [11] - Quote I'm not very great at this game, but heavy suits seem to be alright from what I can tell. I can't say how things are balanced on the highly competitive end of the game though. cosbyness is next to godliness
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 198	Posted - 2014.04.02 20:50:00 - [12] - Quote Magpie Raven wrote: Please don't do it. Why would you finally put the heavy suit in a good position just to club it over the head with the nerf hammer? If heavies needed nerfing the forums would be lit up with complaints about it. But Its not. Maybe tweak a few things but dont nerf it. Ive seen good cases made for increasing Caldari Shield and decreasing armor and vice versa with gallente. That I could live with. But not the flat 20% HP nerf ive been hearing about The HMG is a little too good though. "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 313	Posted - 2014.04.02 20:51:00 - [13] - Quote I think the problem is players playing Rambo trying to solo a heavy inside 30 meters using an AR
Magpie Raven ZionTCD 401	Posted - 2014.04.02 20:56:00 - [14] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Magpie Raven wrote: Please don't do it. Why would you finally put the heavy suit in a good position just to club it over the head with the nerf hammer? If heavies needed nerfing the forums would be lit up with complaints about it. But Its not. Maybe tweak a few things but dont nerf it. Ive seen good cases made for increasing Caldari Shield and decreasing armor and vice versa with gallente. That I could live with. But not the flat 20% HP nerf ive been hearing about The HMG is a little too good though. Maybe you are right. However Outside of 30m I tend to get messed up pretty good by just about any other gun. For the first time since Replication. (I think thats what it waas called) The heavy suit is actually effective and feared. For once it can actually be a "heavy". I think the HMG is perfectly fine the way it is. If it was OP there would be more complaints on the forums. But I could live with a little tweak. People are just butthurt that it didnt get nerfed along with all the other rifles. Maybe its slightly too effective but its not outright OP
Eko Sol Strange Playings 139	Posted - 2014.04.02 20:58:00 - [15] - Quote Here is the thing. I'm going 10/x with better than a 1.0 K/D in ambush fairly often unless I'm getting stomped. This is in a Min basic heavy with a Magsec, two enhanced side arm damage mods, and a mlt armor repair. I'm sooooo torn on whether heavies need any changes at all. A part of me fills that there are some balance issues but I'm afraid of the nerf hammer CCP has. If they do anything to nerf heavies then heavies are going to be useless. All of this being said, there was NOTHING wrong with heavies before 1.8. They have received a much larger advantage given the change in weapon damage. They have too easy an ability to turn around with a HMG and mow down someone who empties a clip and half of an ARR. I'm open to hear peoples suggestion but not sure it is needed right now. Especially more than some other things like the magsec being OP.
Soldiersaint Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 798	Posted - 2014.04.02 20:58:00 - [16] - Quote Magpie Raven wrote: Please don't do it. Why would you finally put the heavy suit in a good position just to club it over the head with the nerf hammer? If heavies needed nerfing the forums would be lit up with complaints about it. But Its not. Maybe tweak a few things but dont nerf it. Ive seen good cases made for increasing Caldari Shield and decreasing armor and vice versa with gallente. That I could live with. But not the flat 20% HP nerf ive been hearing about As a healer logi I find this nerf beyond wrong. I see heavies go down in seconds even if im healing them with a core focused tool. This nerf is not right. Heavies are defensive soldiers who need all the armor and resistance they can get there hands on.
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2161	Posted - 2014.04.02 21:06:00 - [17] - Quote Magpie Raven wrote: For the first time since Replication. (I think thats what it waas called) The heavy suit is actually effective and feared. Woo boy. You must have missed out on HMG Sharpshooter in Chromosome. That was sumthin'. Still, as powerful as Sentinel feels in this build, it still dies to rifles at range and to Shotty Scout suits up close (provided they get the drop on you). And that's balance in my book. Honestly, this game is feeling pretty damn great right now if you can look past the dozens of wonky bugs. Assaults, Flaylock, PLC need some love. But beside that, just about everything is feeling pretty good. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 380	Posted - 2014.04.02 21:20:00 - [18] - Quote The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I think the problem is players playing Rambo trying to solo a heavy inside 30 meters using an AR No, the main problem are scrubs using sentinel suits with mid-long to long range light weapons because they need the extra eHP to survive a gunfight. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
Magpie Raven ZionTCD 405	Posted - 2014.04.02 23:08:00 - [19] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Magpie Raven wrote: For the first time since Replication. (I think thats what it waas called) The heavy suit is actually effective and feared. Woo boy. You must have missed out on HMG Sharpshooter in Chromosome. That was sumthin'. I actually was there for that. It was crazy. I just couldnt remember which was first. Replication or Chromosome.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2365	Posted - 2014.04.02 23:20:00 - [20] - Quote You realise the proposed nerfs are equal to about 190 (237 for someone with a skilled out tree) When the 2 most popular suits can easily reach +1800 it really isn't that big a deal. Its the difference between you killing 5 people or killing 6 people. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.

JP Acuna Pendejitos Canis Eliminatus Operatives 109	Posted - 2014.04.02 23:42:00 - [21] - Quote Yep, heavies are fine. Squeashy enough for a heavy. I support them.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 261	Posted - 2014.04.02 23:49:00 - [22] - Quote why dont heavys look on teh brightside of life? they may be loseing base ehp (dosnt make of for much anyway) but they will still have close to 2-3 times the base hp of a medium frame.. but that sentinal bonus almost virtually doubles your hp. (against respective damge types anyways). what i think ccp should do is leave the base heavy frame alone (lets face it this is rare to be used) slightly nerf the sentinel suits hp (come on this thing has a resistence bonus) then hevays get the choice of pure raw HP, specific damage type resistence. or the trollmandos with 2 light wepaons. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 209	Posted - 2014.04.03 06:03:00 - [23] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I think the problem is players playing Rambo trying to solo a heavy inside 30 meters using an AR No, the main problem are scrubs using sentinel suits with mid-long to long range light weapons because they need the extra eHP to survive a gunfight. Heavies are supposed to be badass at close range. That's why they are slow. Here is an idea - don't nerf the heavy or HMG - instead take away heavy ability to wield light weapons. No more rr heavies. All complaints solved.
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 496	Posted - 2014.04.03 06:18:00 - [24] - Quote the later tier hmg's with there extended range are the issue here. ccp you broke the forge. skills are not being applied till 30 secs after spawn fixes before nerfs thank you.

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 3182	Posted - 2014.04.03 06:49:00 - [25] - Quote As mentioned in a few other threads, there's no guarantee that Heavy EHP will be reduced. We're simply keeping an eye on it at the moment but wanted to let players know that it was a possibility. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Bax Zanith 102	Posted - 2014.04.03 06:50:00 - [26] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: The Terminator T-1000 wrote: I think the problem is players playing Rambo trying to solo a heavy inside 30 meters using an AR No, the main problem are scrubs using sentinel suits with mid-long to long range light weapons because they need the extra eHP to survive a gunfight. Heavies are supposed to be badass at close range. That's why they are slow. Here is an idea - don't nerf the heavy or HMG - instead take away heavy ability to wield light weapons. No more rr heavies. All complaints solved. Removing light weapon fitting abilities from basic heavy and sentinel frames. As much as I dislike the idea, it might need to happen. However, this perposed change has a logic hole; what excuse would we have to prevent us from using light weapons? People who support this change think the exuse should be because our fingers are too fat for the trigger. If this is the reason, then we would also not have sidearms and commandos. So, what would the most logical explanation be for our abillity to weald weapons too heavy for medium frams, plus a side arm, yet can't fit a light weapon and a side arm, unless its a commando suit? I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
KGB Sleep 965	Posted - 2014.04.03 06:57:00 - [27] - Quote inb4 "Fight your own war" trailer. Because beer, that's why.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1137	Posted - 2014.04.03 07:02:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: As mentioned in a few other threads, there's no guarantee that Heavy EHP will be reduced. We're simply keeping an eye on it at the moment but wanted to let players know that it was a possibility. This is soooo much better. Cause now those that ~~stupidly~~ optimistically put SP into a Heavy - of any race - can spend ISK/SP and then get Nerf Hammered at some later, unannounced date. How very Wang of you. Until CCP/Shanghai states, in writing, on these forums that there will be no Nerf Hammer of the Heavy suits I am not spending ISK/SP/AUR/LP or effort on Heavies. Because if you do Nerf Hammer them, which 99% of the Mercs think you will, CCP/Shanghai will refuse to refund anything at all. BTW, it is 0700 and I have 8 Mercs in my five chats. A distinct drop since the hot fix went live. One might wonder if they are connected? Not me though. I am not wondering at all. Welcome to Dust And so it goes.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 858	Posted - 2014.04.03 07:03:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: As mentioned in a few other threads, there's no guarantee that Heavy EHP will be reduced. We're simply keeping an eye on it at the moment but wanted to let players know that it was a possibility. Good, but minmatar and caldari sentinels need buffing... Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 452	Posted - 2014.04.03 07:21:00 - [30] - Quote Actually the heavy and the scouts are mostley fine. They are kind of the nemesis of one and other Scouts try to backstab the heavies not taking them head on. Al that hp is nothing if the scout gets close. The problem is not the heavies or the scouts it's that the medframes are in a bad spot atm. One thing that actually can balance the scout out a bit is that they have a higher penalty for stacking armor and shield So shield staking gives you a higher scan profile Armour gives you lover speed ( higher penalty than on other suits ) Regards War never changes



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