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shadow drake35
the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:48:00 -
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me personally idc if I fo 15/3 or 3/15. To me all that matters is if i had fun and if it was a good fair fight(competition)
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Onesimus Tarsus
GamersForChrist
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:49:00 -
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shadow drake35 wrote:me personally idc if I fo 15/3 or 3/15. To me all that matters is if i had fun and if it was a good fair fight(competition)
If KDR does matter, it should be the stat used first for matchmaking.
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shadow drake35
the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:50:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:shadow drake35 wrote:me personally idc if I fo 15/3 or 3/15. To me all that matters is if i had fun and if it was a good fair fight(competition) If KDR does matter, it should be the stat used first for matchmaking. yes less protostomping tankers can kill each other that would make the game so much more fun protostomper will QQ to that tho andd ccp will lisen to them
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:52:00 -
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its an FPS, of course it is.
KDR is literally the only important stat in this game.
In PC its about winning and in pubs its about KDR. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:54:00 -
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ISK efficiency matters to me. WP's earned matters to me. Kills matter to me.
The number of times I died succeeding in the above mentioned areas is almost irrelevant.
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Byozuma Kegawa
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:54:00 -
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Kill ratio means nothing to me. It's fun when I get a ration of 1 or 2 at the end of a match, but more often than not it's .1 than 1. I play a logistics, though, so my main concern in a serious match is not to kill the next person but to heal the next team mate I see down or make sure the front line stays in front with uplinks. Any logistic that says otherwise isn't a true logistic. |
Zimander
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:54:00 -
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shadow drake35 wrote:me personally idc if I fo 15/3 or 3/15. To me all that matters is if i had fun and if it was a good fair fight(competition)
For me Dust is a relax after work |
shadow drake35
the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire
108
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:56:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:its an FPS, of course it is.
KDR is literally the only important stat in this game.
In PC its about winning and in pubs its about KDR. thats cod this is dust
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:56:00 -
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shadow drake35 wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:its an FPS, of course it is.
KDR is literally the only important stat in this game.
In PC its about winning and in pubs its about KDR. thats cod this is dust
and they are both first person shooters... wow gosh... look at that... |
shadow drake35
the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:58:00 -
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Byozuma Kegawa wrote:Kill ratio means nothing to me. It's fun when I get a ratio of 1 or 2 at the end of a match, but more often than not it's .1 than 1. I play a logistics, though, so my main concern in a serious match is not to kill the next person but to heal the next team mate I see down or make sure the front line stays in front with uplinks. Any logistic that says otherwise isn't a true logistic. thank you thats why i love logi but i play all classes but i do play logi a decent amout i need to lower my go to standard cause advanced cost to much and the only reason im put that there is to fight off maybe one guy or two to get out of tight spots
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Denn Maell
PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives
256
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:58:00 -
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As an immortal clone super soldier, who is respawned without having to pay for the clones lost, it seems so unimportant.
But, yeah I'd rather have fun and play with knives/reptools/re's/generally any weapon that has a reputation of being UP and nerfed. Because that's fun.
I'd rather have an average efficiency board where your earnings minus the costs of suits you died in are compared with others.
The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field:
One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
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1pawn dust
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:59:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:its an FPS, of course it is.
KDR is literally the only important stat in this game.
In PC its about winning and in pubs its about KDR.
What a bunch of bullshit.
Dust514 is all about the victory, Cod is a KDR game. What use is KDR when you portray an immortal clone soldier?
I get getting tabs on WP as it is a much more useful stat to keep track on general usefulness, but KDR tells me what? For instance if you rock a 10.5 KDR it can mean anything, you run in good squad, you protostomp, you snipe, you HAV.
Its a useful figure and a damaging one, some peeps have such a small epeen they will go out of their way to improve it over things such as squad/team proper integration, fulling needed roles, anything really with the risk of death.
CCP needs to get it removed, aside from ISK its one of the reasons we have red line snipers/HAV in the first place.
If Dust was a balanced game and was of a similar format of Cod or BF then sure, but in a game where you can farm KDR by simply being a tryhard or a scrub it means nothing, hell you dont even need good skills to improve it, just time and selfishness lol. |
shadow drake35
the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:59:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:shadow drake35 wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:its an FPS, of course it is.
KDR is literally the only important stat in this game.
In PC its about winning and in pubs its about KDR. thats cod this is dust and they are both first person shooters... wow gosh... look at that... if you look you are the only one that care but dont say that cause they are a fps they are completely different games and have very few thing similar
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:59:00 -
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Let's see. I spend my time dying from crashing my dropship, rolling my tank headlong into rail fire, run around in a scout suit in broad daylightGǪ no, no I don't care about KDR.
"Stay stealthy scouts."
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shadow drake35
the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:01:00 -
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1pawn dust wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:its an FPS, of course it is.
KDR is literally the only important stat in this game.
In PC its about winning and in pubs its about KDR. What a bunch of bullshit. Dust514 is all about the victory, Cod is a KDR game. What use is KDR when you portray an immortal clone soldier? I get getting tabs on WP as it is a much more useful stat to keep track on general usefulness, but KDR tells me what? For instance if you rock a 10.5 KDR it can mean anything, you run in good squad, you protostomp, you snipe, you HAV. Its a useful figure and a damaging one, some peeps have such a small epeen they will go out of their way to improve it over things such as squad/team proper integration, fulling needed roles, anything really with the risk of death. CCP needs to get it removed, aside from ISK its one of the reasons we have red line snipers/HAV in the first place. If Dust was a balanced game and was of a similar format of Cod or BF then sure, but in a game where you can farm KDR by simply being a tryhard or a scrub it means nothing, hell you dont even need good skills to improve it, just time and selfishness lol. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR MY POINT, SO VERY TRUE
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Hecarim Van Hohen
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:01:00 -
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KDR alongside with WP, damage dealt, hacks and counter hacks (I'd like to see both of these tracked by the game)
Point defense sentinel has little to track
ps. burn maim kill and so on
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neausea 1987
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:02:00 -
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my k/d went from a 3.5 to a 2.19 why you ask well because i love to have fun ya know the reason why you play games in the first place. and no i dont suck i have tons of awesome games and even my rough ones vs 2 Q synced teams or one team of proto i always pull even. K/D does not matter in this game at all. i see plenty of people with great K/D and that does not stop me from killing them in 1 on 1 engagments. *PS* leave a story on when your K/D has gotten you laid* NEVER!!!!! so do what you do most ( i mean most) K/D whores will leave the game anyway if you smack em a few times and the cant find a way to kill you, (you know who you are) bottom line have fun. K/d is as useful as the blue dot that walks away from the objective thats being hacked next to him.
this is all I have a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ.... GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ .... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ ......... Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ i need more QQ tears MORE!!
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agent caron
DUST University Ivy League
14
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:03:00 -
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To me KDR in this game is not important. I think that your usefullness to your team ,and how good you are at what you do to help your team is what realy matters.
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Void Echo
Total Extinction
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:04:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:shadow drake35 wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:its an FPS, of course it is.
KDR is literally the only important stat in this game.
In PC its about winning and in pubs its about KDR. thats cod this is dust and they are both first person shooters... wow gosh... look at that...
if KDR is the most important thing in this game, why cant I purchase my stuff with KDR instead of ISK.
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shadow drake35
the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:04:00 -
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agent caron wrote:To me KDR in this game is not important. I think that your usefullness to your team ,and how good you are at what you do to help your team is what realy matters. that is what matters
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:05:00 -
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1pawn dust wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:its an FPS, of course it is.
KDR is literally the only important stat in this game.
In PC its about winning and in pubs its about KDR. What a bunch of bullshit. Dust514 is all about the victory, Cod is a KDR game. What use is KDR when you portray an immortal clone soldier? I get getting tabs on WP as it is a much more useful stat to keep track on general usefulness, but KDR tells me what?
KDR tells you how good of a player you are.
all trolling here aside, KDR is less relevant in Dust than other MW shooters due to the use of isk.
It would be better if end of match screens had isk efficiency instead, and the gaming culture developed around that instead. it would also probably help curb pubstomps.
Where ISK Eff. = ISK Destroyed / ISK Lost - where both of these numbers are not effected by revives. Meaning each player has to 'bleed out' for the number to take effect.
That would be much more relevant in this game for sure. EoM scoreboard should also show WP / ISK Lost.
Maybe someday CCP will remove KDR as the most important stat in this game. Until its off EoM leaderboards and the first stat on the character sheet though, its the most important in the context of the game as it stands. Should it be? I dont think so either. |
shadow drake35
the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:05:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:shadow drake35 wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:its an FPS, of course it is.
KDR is literally the only important stat in this game.
In PC its about winning and in pubs its about KDR. thats cod this is dust and they are both first person shooters... wow gosh... look at that... if KDR is the most important thing in this game, why cant I purchase my stuff with KDR instead of ISK. haha this made me laugh since i play logi decent amount i cant by alot
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:06:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:ISK efficiency matters to me. WP's earned matters to me. Kills matter to me.
The number of times I died succeeding in the above mentioned areas is almost irrelevant.
this man thinks like me =) |
Bax Zanith
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:06:00 -
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KDR, couldn't care less. Deaths however is a different story. I pay close attention to my earnings and how much ISK iv lost on deaths. Basicly I try not to die more than ten times, and I feel like I didn't spend too much ISK.
I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
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shadow drake35
the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:08:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:ISK efficiency matters to me. WP's earned matters to me. Kills matter to me.
The number of times I died succeeding in the above mentioned areas is almost irrelevant. this man thinks like me =) ya isk matters to me so i can use the suits i like to but kdr means nothing to me
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:09:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote: and they are both first person shooters... wow gosh... look at that...
Except the other is also an "MMO"
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shadow drake35
the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:09:00 -
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Bax Zanith wrote:KDR, couldn't care less. Deaths however is a different story. I pay close attention to my earnings and how much ISK iv lost on deaths. Basicly I try not to die more than ten times, and I feel like I didn't spend too much ISK. same but like for logi you support so im ok with losing some suits cause i make a decent money unless it a stomp
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neausea 1987
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:09:00 -
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K/D in some ways shows an average skill level but i know of *scrubs* that come in a game just to snipe get 3-0 and lose do that 1,000 times and you will have a sweet KDR but what effect do you have on the game. (not a crack on real snipers)
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Scheherazade VII
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:11:00 -
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8213 summed it up in his youtube video perfectly:
"if KDR doesn't matter then pubs don't matter because that's where your KDR comes from".
POW right in the kisser! |
Duke Noobiam
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:11:00 -
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shadow drake35 wrote:me personally idc if I fo 15/3 or 3/15. To me all that matters is if i had fun and if it was a good fair fight(competition)
It matters in that I strive to improve it, but not to the point where I am putting it above winning (or trying to win).
When the red river runs, take the dirt road.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:12:00 -
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Scheherazade VII wrote:8213 summed it up in his youtube video perfectly:
"if KDR doesn't matter then pubs don't matter because that's where your KDR comes from".
POW right in the kisser! I'm pretty sure he said:
"If PUBs don't matter then your K/D doesn't matter because that's where your K/D comes from."
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1pawn dust
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:15:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:
It would be better if end of match screens had isk efficiency instead, and the gaming culture developed around that instead. it would also probably help curb pubstomps.
Agreed, but it still doesnt determine how good you are. What say you to Logis that arent slayers? What say you to the greatest Jihad LAV driver ever that rocks a near 1.0 +- due some you win some you lose but god damn I need to kill myself everytime because I cant trust the car to move just a bit further under its own power?
What say you to the guy in milita gear that fights an epic battle against the proto odds but for every 2 steps forward, who must take 1 back?
KDR meaning anything in this game is nothing short of a joke but I respect your opinion. |
Byozuma Kegawa
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:16:00 -
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Scheherazade VII wrote:8213 summed it up in his youtube video perfectly:
"if KDR doesn't matter then pubs don't matter because that's where your KDR comes from".
POW right in the kisser! Right after my own heart. As a logistics I tend to run negative isk when I'm using good fits. So I hit the pubs in a free fit and just run around doing not much of anything when solo. If in a squad I'll give some effort but ultimately it's just for the isk. If I die 15 times then meh, no isk from my pockets. |
Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:17:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:shadow drake35 wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:its an FPS, of course it is.
KDR is literally the only important stat in this game.
In PC its about winning and in pubs its about KDR. thats cod this is dust and they are both first person shooters... wow gosh... look at that...
So if I keep 10 people from dying and allow them to kill 20 more by support that doesn't matter at all?
Because, that's why.
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RayRay James
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:18:00 -
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the posts in this thread make me think some people need to check if their punctuation keys are working anymore
also, KD/R means nothing compared to WP and winning the match. |
Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
382
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:22:00 -
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I got trolled!
Because, that's why.
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:26:00 -
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1pawn dust wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:
It would be better if end of match screens had isk efficiency instead, and the gaming culture developed around that instead. it would also probably help curb pubstomps.
Agreed, but it still doesnt determine how good you are. What say you to Logis that arent slayers? What say you to the greatest Jihad LAV driver ever that rocks a near 1.0 +- due some you win some you lose but god damn I need to kill myself everytime because I cant trust the car to move just a bit further under its own power? What say you to the guy in milita gear that fights an epic battle against the proto odds but for every 2 steps forward, who must take 1 back? KDR meaning anything in this game is nothing short of a joke but I respect your opinion.
uh.... I think we're saying the same thing? You may want to read my post again.
A JLAV driver that is successful should have a decent isk efficiency, even though his KDR would be terrible.
A guy in MLT gear would also have a terrible KDR vs proto users but would have a decent isk efficiency if he killed even 1-2 of them. |
shadow drake35
the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:28:00 -
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Thanks for all the replys to me kdr doesnt matter team support matters but i like to make money so i can keep playing and having a good fun fire fight is fun when im not playing logi
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shadow drake35
the third day Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:34:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:I got trolled! i did over youtube from some canadian he talked like he was so 4-8th grade kid
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Gauder Berwyck
Deadly Blue Dots
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Posted - 2014.03.31 20:01:00 -
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Of course kdr matters. Or rather, skill/gungame matters. Situational awareness matters. These are all tied to isk efficiency in one way or another. The more you kill and the less you die, the better for your team and yourself.
In most shooters, kdr is important. Dust is no exception just because it is an mmo. You can't counterhack if you're dead. You can counterhack if the objective has been cleared of red dots. It's all very simple.
In most shooters it is all about making the red dots waste time. Kdr helps but is not all important. Let them bleed out and waste time running back to the front while you do something productive. Or tie up 2+ enemies letting the rest of your team do the job.
In Dust each death costs isk. In Dust, kdr is more important than other shooters, because it directly ties into isk efficiency.
Fact. |
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
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Posted - 2014.03.31 20:14:00 -
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When I'm crashing my 3rd JLAV in a match against some scrub HAVs, or using a 10k ISK fit to suicide-rush into a fight to get a couple proto kills... What is foremost on my mind is definitely the KDR. |
Sinboto Simmons
Sver true blood General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.31 20:17:00 -
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I wouldn't be a scout if my KDR mattered to me, hell I wouldn't be minmatar.
Oh who am I kidding I'd still be minmatar. ^_^
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.03.31 20:18:00 -
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Yeah and no.
ISK efficiency is more my thing. If I cost the enemy more than they cost me I have won and I always do.
My KDR is really average though and when I started caring I was at about 1.2 now I sit at about 2.5 and growing.
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