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Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4292	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:09:00 - [1] - Quote Why do you ask? So everyone can load in fairly. Currently if you have an SSD your game loads much quicker than everyone else's. This gives you a massive advantage as it literally puts you on the field before everyone else. In an ambush match players with SSDs can have their tanks in and sitting on your teams initial spawn AS they are spawning in. Not right after. AS THEY ARE SPAWNING IN FOR THE FIRST TIME. If I need to go on to explain how ridiculous it is that this happens then there is no saving you. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 340	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:13:00 - [2] - Quote +1 Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 340	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:14:00 - [3] - Quote Spawned yesterday, right into a heavy and scout squad, full proto... It was a good thing I had my mass driver and flux nade set Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4294	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:33:00 - [4] - Quote If you don't support this idea you hate puppies and fair matches. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Ultra Boomer3 HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 291	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:34:00 - [5] - Quote I'm sure you've seen the war barge, both in FW and PC right? well if you notice there are glimpses in public contracts too. public contracts used to take you to the warbarge before the battle, but I think people got tired of waiting for the match to begin after waiting for the match to begin, despite the obvious advantages of it, such as sizing up the enemy team beforehand. I would not mind a return to this system. Name: Ultra Boomer3. Class: Heavy. Specialty: Forge Gun. Corp: Havok Core. Loyalty: HavoK Core.
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4294	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:38:00 - [6] - Quote Ultra Boomer3 wrote: I'm sure you've seen the war barge, both in FW and PC right? well if you notice there are glimpses in public contracts too. public contracts used to take you to the warbarge before the battle, but I think people got tired of waiting for the match to begin after waiting for the match to begin, despite the obvious advantages of it, such as sizing up the enemy team beforehand. I would not mind a return to this system. Not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about initial spawn. A timer on initial spawn. Not the warbarge load in. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11924	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:46:00 - [7] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: If you don't support this idea you hate puppies and fair matches. I hate kittens also. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
noob cavman Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 1033	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:48:00 - [8] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: If you don't support this idea you hate puppies and fair matches. I hate kittens also. You bastard I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ We are the blue waffle!
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4300	Posted - 2014.03.31 15:51:00 - [9] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: If you don't support this idea you hate puppies and fair matches. I hate kittens also. You bastard This oppressor of cute small fuzzy things must be stopped! Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
J0LLY R0G3R Dirt Nap Squad. 680	Posted - 2014.03.31 19:22:00 - [10] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: If you don't support this idea you hate puppies and fair matches. I hate kittens also. You bastard Oh so now ur against people who hate cats huh? What is it, make up your mind man. XD ++++Gimme Back my SG RoF++++ XD Indeed, chase me friend XD

noob cavman Dirt Nap Squad. 1040	Posted - 2014.03.31 19:27:00 - [11] - Quote J0LLY R0G3R wrote: noob cavman wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: If you don't support this idea you hate puppies and fair matches. I hate kittens also. You bastard Oh so now ur against people who hate cats huh? What is it, make up your mind man. XD Real cats are awesome. minecraft cats are tasty xp I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ We are the blue waffle!
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 688	Posted - 2014.03.31 19:35:00 - [12] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Why, you ask? So everyone can load in fairly. Currently if you have an SSD your game loads much quicker than everyone else's. This gives you a massive advantage as it literally puts you on the field before everyone else. In an ambush match players with SSDs can have their tanks in and sitting on your teams initial spawn AS they are spawning in. Not right after. AS THEY ARE SPAWNING IN FOR THE FIRST TIME. If I need to go on to explain how ridiculous it is that this happens then there is no saving you. A timer or some kind of fair start buffer is needed but the issue is with the SSD, and is just some general connection nonsense. People still load in way before I do with enough time to start capping points or fly uplinks to their favorite rooftops. My game will load up and sit at an empty overview map for half a minute then lag for instant than 'jumps' to a battle in progress. Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms
demens grimwulff Immortal Guides 151	Posted - 2014.03.31 19:35:00 - [13] - Quote If you can prove, 100%, that this is due solely to SSDs, then sure. If it is, in anyway, due to someones horrible connection, then will you go as far as normalizing latency to help out the enemy team? How about putting in latency corrections like what is in CoD where hitboxes never follow the player (as in how scouts used to be)? I don't think you can, 100% pin this to SSD. The most SSD has done for me is give me war barge time, and, maybe, 1 to 2 seconds in the match before everyone else... So I might have time to call in a vehicle, but not like how you say. As well, I get around 6 to 8 megabyte down (48 to 64 mbps) and as of testing lazt night, a full megabyte up even during max download. So... can you disprove my claim that it is my internet? As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
demens grimwulff Immortal Guides 151	Posted - 2014.03.31 19:45:00 - [14] - Quote FYI, since joining the Learning Coalition, I play with people using various versions of the PS3 and regular hard drives, and a lot of the time they beat me into the match. As well, it cost $20 more to replace my corrupted hard drive from the 1.7 patch (thanks CCP!) and it was, at the time, the fastest on the market. Truly, not the difference you're imagining. Remember, some people in the world have fiber optics and gigabit connections... As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4308	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:22:00 - [15] - Quote Who cares demens. People can spawn in far before anyone else and a game mechanic needs to be put in place to help correct the unfair advantage. Whether that be due to their SSD and or their connection it doesn't matter. Your post is pointless. Also it's been proven by many people that SSD's allow you to load into the game much quicker than everyone else. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 987	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:34:00 - [16] - Quote Hawken does this. Warframe does this For duck's sake even CoD does this. Ace Combat does this(at least the 4th one did) Armored Core, Gran Turismo, UT (all of them). Tribes: and MechWarrior do this. Bring it in CCP. I refuse to gve honor to your 'god' so therefore i dual tank. Also i feel itchy. Anybody got a tube of Rust-It?
demens grimwulff Immortal Guides 151	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:37:00 - [17] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Who cares demens. People can spawn in far before anyone else and a game mechanic needs to be put in place to help correct the unfair advantage. Whether that be due to their SSD and or their connection it doesn't matter. Your post is pointless. Also it's been proven by many people that SSD's allow you to load into the game much quicker than everyone else. I am glad you are ignoring the route of logic and instead go to base emotions. What I am saying is, yes, SSDs allow you to load in faster, but typically negligible amounts when considering internet connection speed. If you care so much about "fairness", why not also ask for latency correction measures? Saying no one cares about the opposing opinion is a quick way to make yourself look silly... all I am doing is showing the logical argument against yours, and providing you with alternative reasons, as well as, other correction measures which I don't think anyone wants. The problem is, you are focusing in on something that, in the long run, is trivial... Your corrections methods would need to be expanded to encompass all possible reasons this happens. Ignoring the fact that the bandwidth bottleneck in the PS3 internal structure isn't entirely on the hard drive, either... As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
demens grimwulff Immortal Guides 151	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:39:00 - [18] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Hawken does this. Warframe does this For duck's sake even CoD does this. Ace Combat does this(at least the 4th one did) Armored Core, Gran Turismo, UT (all of them). Tribes: and MechWarrior do this. Bring it in CCP. They do this because of internet connection variances and have in place latency corrections... not because of SSD drives. Just saying... your ire is pointed in the wrong direction. As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4313	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:39:00 - [19] - Quote And you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Simple fact is IT DOESN'T MATTER. This mechanic needs to be put in place. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
demens grimwulff Immortal Guides 151	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:43:00 - [20] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: And you're arguing for the sake of arguing. No, I would like the problem to be fixed, but I don't see the same monster under the bed that you do. As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end

Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4314	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:44:00 - [21] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: And you're arguing for the sake of arguing. No, I would like the problem to be fixed, but I don't see the same monster under the bed that you do. What are you even talking about? Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 875	Posted - 2014.03.31 20:52:00 - [22] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: And you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Simple fact is IT DOESN'T MATTER. This mechanic needs to be put in place. He just can't come out and say he hates puppies, com'on. Looking for the scout hangout?
demens grimwulff Immortal Guides 151	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:05:00 - [23] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: demens grimwulff wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: And you're arguing for the sake of arguing. No, I would like the problem to be fixed, but I don't see the same monster under the bed that you do. What are you even talking about? ... I have made my point clear, it isn't just SSDs that cause people to load in at vastly different times... Internet connection and speeds will do the same thing but to much greater scale. You see SSD as a problem; I see it being a minor one, but when compared to the massive latency differences, not the overwhelming thing you make it out to be. As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
demens grimwulff Immortal Guides 151	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:07:00 - [24] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: And you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Simple fact is IT DOESN'T MATTER. This mechanic needs to be put in place. He just can't come out and say he hates puppies, com'on. No, I quite love my schnauzer-pug mix puppy, despite her propensity to constantly toy with all my stuff like a fox. As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 78	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:47:00 - [25] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: demens grimwulff wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: And you're arguing for the sake of arguing. No, I would like the problem to be fixed, but I don't see the same monster under the bed that you do. What are you even talking about? ... I have made my point clear, it isn't just SSDs that cause people to load in at vastly different times... Internet connection and speeds will do the same thing but to much greater scale. You see SSD as a problem; I see it being a minor one, but when compared to the massive latency differences, not the overwhelming thing you make it out to be. But in this case the SSD has been PROVEN over and over again to give you a 5-10 second headstart. I have one and if I have my suits loaded before the match I can hit the ground and capture the home point before some people have spawned in.
demens grimwulff Immortal Guides 151	Posted - 2014.03.31 21:53:00 - [26] - Quote M1tch Rapp wrote: demens grimwulff wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: demens grimwulff wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: And you're arguing for the sake of arguing. No, I would like the problem to be fixed, but I don't see the same monster under the bed that you do. What are you even talking about? ... I have made my point clear, it isn't just SSDs that cause people to load in at vastly different times... Internet connection and speeds will do the same thing but to much greater scale. You see SSD as a problem; I see it being a minor one, but when compared to the massive latency differences, not the overwhelming thing you make it out to be. But in this case the SSD has been PROVEN over and over again to give you a 5-10 second headstart. I have one and if I have my suits loaded before the match I can hit the ground and capture the home point before some people have spawned in. I have one and never see that same level of benefit. All I am saying is, are you accounting for all factors? I don't think it is 100% the SSD but the latency as well, which we all know is a huge problem in this game. If, as you say, you can hack the home point before others spawn in, don't you think that HUGE time difference can be contributed to other things then just a simple hard drive swap? As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4910	Posted - 2014.03.31 22:02:00 - [27] - Quote I hate puppies and do unspeakable things to kittens. I support this idea. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 11951	Posted - 2014.03.31 22:46:00 - [28] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: And you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Simple fact is IT DOESN'T MATTER. This mechanic needs to be put in place. He just can't come out and say he hates puppies, com'on. I hate puppies. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4323	Posted - 2014.03.31 22:54:00 - [29] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: And you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Simple fact is IT DOESN'T MATTER. This mechanic needs to be put in place. He just can't come out and say he hates puppies, com'on. I hate puppies. Guess I'm returning your birthday present. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Ultra Boomer3 HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 293	Posted - 2014.04.01 02:03:00 - [30] - Quote while my opinion may be unwelcome, I feel it necessary to still tell it here. if they were to do as you suggest, and add a delay to initial spawn , you would be among the first to complain that you can't spawn immediatly after you can see the map. among a voice of hundreds of others. it'd be a change lasting maybe a day, 2 at most before they remove it via hotfix. That is my prediction. also, they'd need to rebalance the time on all gamemodes to deal with the delay because even 1/10 of a second can define a win or loss in a match, especially in ambush. (may as well say something remotely constructive and related to the OP) Name: Ultra Boomer3. Class: Heavy. Specialty: Forge Gun. Corp: Havok Core. Loyalty: HavoK Core.

Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4324	Posted - 2014.04.01 02:36:00 - [31] - Quote Ultra Boomer3 wrote: while my opinion may be unwelcome, I feel it necessary to still tell it here. if they were to do as you suggest, and add a delay to initial spawn , you would be among the first to complain that you can't spawn immediatly after you can see the map. among a voice of hundreds of others. it'd be a change lasting maybe a day, 2 at most before they remove it via hotfix. That is my prediction. also, they'd need to rebalance the time on all gamemodes to deal with the delay because even 1/10 of a second can define a win or loss in a match, especially in ambush. (may as well say something remotely constructive and related to the OP) This sort of mechanic is in a lot of games already. Dust is one of the very few that don't have it and it's clear how not employing such a mechanic leads to extremely unfair circumstances. Fair balanced play is more important. Currently the start advantage of every game mode goes to whoever can load in fastest. It should not be this way. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1118	Posted - 2014.04.01 03:46:00 - [32] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: If you don't support this idea you hate puppies and fair matches. I love puppies! With the right sauce they are terrific. And so it goes.


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