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KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2078	Posted - 2014.03.31 10:16:00 - [1] - Quote I think that some sacrifice should be expected when you're putting on the most effective and selfish Equipment there is. Being able to be invisible and shoot People in the back With a shotty is all well and good, but should I be able to put 700-800 HP, proto weapns and a cloak? Its a bit too much. If this change were too be made the sneaky scouts could still do their job, sneaking past "enemy lines", hack and setup uplinks. You can still sneak up on someone and get that "stealth" kill, but you would then be weaker as a combat unit sacrificing some tank or indeed those expensive to fit fancy weapons. I feel the suit I'm using is a little too good. The cloak is cheaper to fit than a decent nanohive, its not right. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2100	Posted - 2014.03.31 10:23:00 - [2] - Quote Did you read the post that talked about the cloak bonus and NPE? You know, how new scouts can't use it because it costs too many fitting resources? I think that was a good post. I, also, think your post isn't that good at scout 5 a STD cloak costs the same as a STD equipment like an uplink. Working as intended?
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1062	Posted - 2014.03.31 10:28:00 - [3] - Quote Minmatar scout "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2080	Posted - 2014.03.31 10:30:00 - [4] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Did you read the post that talked about the cloak bonus and NPE? You know, how new scouts can't use it because it costs too many fitting resources? I think that was a good post. I, also, think your post isn't that good at scout 5 a STD cloak costs the same as a STD equipment like an uplink. Working as intended? I was expecting to have to sacrifice something to put on a cloak, but I don't have too. I dunno about the lower tiers, all I see is that my Gallente suit can easily can get over 700 HP, proto weapons, proto second Equipment and a cloak. Its just too much, high hp, great speed/stamina, very good stealth and buildt in Precision built in reps and on top of it all I can fit a cloak. And no, I don't think that a cloak should cost the same to fit, even by scouts, as a hive. It should be way more. Or perhaps its just the suit that needs a CPU/PG reduction? I dunno, I don't have the other scout suits. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 859	Posted - 2014.03.31 10:32:00 - [5] - Quote Just to add cloaks are easy to counter, the only annoying thing is corner camping. Those are harder to counter and you need to be more careful to do so. moving scouts are easy to spot once you get used to the shimmer. And of course the cloak is a endgame thing you need plenty of SP to equip that thing as the bonus will make the cloak only accessible for high lvl scouts. I personally would prefer a cloak slot only available to scout/light Frames (similar the heavy weapon slot for heavies) instead of two pure equipment slots....
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 609	Posted - 2014.03.31 10:34:00 - [6] - Quote Doing that would break the min scout. I'm struggling to fit the most basic things on my scout due to the tiny amount of PG compared to other scouts. WTF is this anyway. The cloaks not even overpowered. People are too used to scouts being easy kills. // Fully Speced Mass Driver Expert // Proto Min Scout // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guards Sexy Beast //
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 679	Posted - 2014.03.31 10:35:00 - [7] - Quote Iv explained this hundreds of time ITS NOT ALL SCOUTS its just gallente, with a shotgun dont nerf a hole class just because of one combo "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Patrick57 6449	Posted - 2014.03.31 10:36:00 - [8] - Quote You could do that, or you could stop brick tanking...
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2080	Posted - 2014.03.31 10:36:00 - [9] - Quote C Saunders wrote: Doing that would break the min scout. I'm struggling to fit the most basic things on my scout due to the tiny amount of PG compared to other scouts. WTF is this anyway. The cloaks not even overpowered. People are too used to scouts being easy kills. I run the Gallente scout suit myself, it just seems to be too good thats all, especially the ability to fit all that and a cloak. Please nerf my suit! FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2082	Posted - 2014.03.31 10:39:00 - [10] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: You could do that, or you could stop brick tanking... I don't. Yes I do have one 869 HP suit that I will try eventually. I mostly run With 560 HP. And I don't see how thats relevant to this discussion either. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.

STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 256	Posted - 2014.03.31 10:42:00 - [11] - Quote I would be fine with this if there was another bonus attached, 1 to 2% per level to all biotic and ewar fitting costs. This would help as an incentive for people to use modules you Should be running instead of only brick tanking HP.
Patrick57 6451	Posted - 2014.03.31 10:43:00 - [12] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I don't. Yes I do have one 869 HP suit that I will try eventually. I mostly run With 560 HP. And I don't see how thats relevant to this discussion either. KingBabar wrote: but should I be able to put 700-800 HP, proto weapns and a cloak? Nerfing all the Scouts because one of them can stack 750 Armor is just bad.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2082	Posted - 2014.03.31 10:46:00 - [13] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: KingBabar wrote: I don't. Yes I do have one 869 HP suit that I will try eventually. I mostly run With 560 HP. And I don't see how thats relevant to this discussion either. KingBabar wrote: but should I be able to put 700-800 HP, proto weapns and a cloak? Nerfing all the Scouts because one of them can stack 750 Armor is just bad. Fair enough, though it would be a nerf only to the scouts running With a cloak. So what? A 30 CPU and 15 PG nerf to the Gallente suit to make it on par With the others? Currently the suit seems to be very good in almost anything and I don't see any drwabacks at all. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
KGB Sleep 946	Posted - 2014.03.31 10:51:00 - [14] - Quote NO I just had to readjust CPU for explosives to fit right. NO BECAUSE I SAID SO Because beer, that's why.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2101	Posted - 2014.03.31 11:00:00 - [15] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Joel II X wrote: Did you read the post that talked about the cloak bonus and NPE? You know, how new scouts can't use it because it costs too many fitting resources? I think that was a good post. I, also, think your post isn't that good at scout 5 a STD cloak costs the same as a STD equipment like an uplink. Working as intended? I was expecting to have to sacrifice something to put on a cloak, but I don't have too. I dunno about the lower tiers, all I see is that my Gallente suit can easily can get over 700 HP, proto weapons, proto second Equipment and a cloak. Its just too much, high hp, great speed/stamina, very good stealth and buildt in Precision built in reps and on top of it all I can fit a cloak. And no, I don't think that a cloak should cost the same to fit, even by scouts, as a hive. It should be way more. Or perhaps its just the suit that needs a CPU/PG reduction? I dunno, I don't have the other scout suits. A person with Scout level 1 and cloak 1 wouldn't even be able to try it. Also, if you choose to brick tank a scout, you would rot in Hell for all eternity, but you'll still be able to brick tank. I use my lows for biotics and electronics.
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 258	Posted - 2014.03.31 11:31:00 - [16] - Quote An easier and simpler fix would be to greatly increase speed penalty on plates (and throw in a turning penalty as well), thus reducing the benefits of this on a scout all while making ferroscale plates more viable, though they should lower the fitting costs on ferroscale and reactive plates to begin with.
Sinboto Simmons Sver true blood General Tso's Alliance 5609	Posted - 2014.03.31 11:33:00 - [17] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Minmatar scout Indeed, I have enough problems without you making new ones thanks. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Horizen Kenpachi Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 250	Posted - 2014.03.31 11:35:00 - [18] - Quote U have to have proto scout to make it viable to use that is a downside so no take ur skilless qq else where adapt or play cod Hit me with your nerf bat.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2634	Posted - 2014.03.31 11:37:00 - [19] - Quote The counter is quite simple: galente logis with proto scanners. Everything that doesnt has a scan profile less then 21DB will get picked up. Cloaked or not they get a red chevron above their head. But hey every 1 ditched that suit in favour for something else. Well ive kept my logi and if it is needed i use a scanner to find scouts. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 315	Posted - 2014.03.31 12:17:00 - [20] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I was expecting to have to sacrifice something to put on a cloak, but I don't have too. I dunno about the lower tiers, all I see is that my Gallente suit can easily can get over 700 HP Maybe now go and skill up amar and mini scouts too? 700HP So much, Very WOW! - on your PROTO scout? You can get the same HP on a Gal Medium Militia suit - i'm sure you know how quick they die... Why do you believe the cloak fitting cost should be increased over lowering armour plate hp bonus or increasing armour plates fitting cost? etc. etc. do you want cloaks to only be scout specific? in which case, maybe just fit all scout suits with a cloak as default?

2100 Angels The Southern Legion League of Infamy 334	Posted - 2014.03.31 12:17:00 - [21] - Quote Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the cloak supposed to be a role bonus? I.e., no penalty at all for scouts to run? Which is why that 75% fitting cost reduction reduces the fitting cost to that of a normal equipment module of the appropriate tier? The only penalty for running a cloak should apply only to people not using it within the scout role bonus. Just so we're clear, this isn't an invitation to correct me. I'm not wrong, that's how it's intended. I do agree that 700-900 hp is ridiculous. The solution is to alter the gallente scout. If I (as a minmatar) receive a nerf, my suit is going to be useless.
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 699	Posted - 2014.03.31 12:29:00 - [22] - Quote My super tanked up Proto Minmatar Scout (350 eHP) does not like this. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 915	Posted - 2014.03.31 12:51:00 - [23] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Did you read the post that talked about the cloak bonus and NPE? You know, how new scouts can't use it because it costs too many fitting resources? I think that was a good post. That's me! "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1299	Posted - 2014.03.31 13:12:00 - [24] - Quote I'm using a Cal scout, about 320 total EHP, increasing CPU and PG requirement for cloak would make that suit useless. I don't have a Proto weapon or Proto sidearm either... It's used for full Scouting purposes. May be it should only be effective for Armor tanked scouts. There are many ways to do this: - Either give them a larger penalty for stacking Armor plates - Increase the CPU and PG cost for Armor modules - Reduce the CPU and PG on armor suit
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 860	Posted - 2014.03.31 13:14:00 - [25] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the cloak supposed to be a role bonus? I.e., no penalty at all for scouts to run? Which is why that 75% fitting cost reduction reduces the fitting cost to that of a normal equipment module of the appropriate tier? The only penalty for running a cloak should apply only to people not using it within the scout role bonus. Just so we're clear, this isn't an invitation to correct me. I'm not wrong, that's how it's intended. I do agree that 700-900 hp is ridiculous. The solution is to alter the gallente scout. If I (as a minmatar) receive a nerf, my suit is going to be useless. Any scout can tank to some degree, the Amarr can get even more HP (without rep), the cal scout can get up to 800 HP with 500 repairing at 50 HP/s. Brick tanking is not really a problem as ALL suits can do it as well as ALL suit can speed tank (Yes even some heavies can get some good speed) And to be honest none of the scouts I have encountered so far was really brick tanking. Every scout I was encountering has died to a single SG round (apart some ridiculous situation where SG rounds refused to register)....
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 40	Posted - 2014.03.31 13:22:00 - [26] - Quote I have thought about this, and maybe you are right that there should be a little more penalty for scouts to fit cloaks. I think it's too early to tell though. Cloaks really aren't as good as people think. It would be very easy to make them not worth fitting, which would be a shame as I think they are fun but not overpowered. Also the Gallente scout is clearly the best of the four, my Minmatar scout really isn't so easy to fit. The best solution I think is this: All infantry balance issues seem to involve people stacking 3 or 4 armor plates. So there should be stacking penalties on plates the same as damage mods, i.e. 100%, 87%, 45(ish)% effectiveness. This will provide 4 general balance benefits. It will help balance armor vs shield. It will help balance scout vs assault vs logi vs heavy by placing more relevance on your base stats, for example scouts will not be able to reach as high a percentage of assault hp as currently. It will also slightly reduce the power of proto suits by limiting max levels of hp. Also this will encourage more variety of fittings as people use modules other than plates.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3502	Posted - 2014.03.31 13:25:00 - [27] - Quote lol, just lol. Apart from speed and cloak you literally have EVERYTHING over the scout suit. And you want that nerfed? I'm also pretty sure that it's only the gal scout that is giving you problems, why not ask a change to that instead of the entire scout class? The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game Caldari Scout // specialized tank destroyer
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 2086	Posted - 2014.03.31 13:39:00 - [28] - Quote @Flix and Happy violentime: Agreed, not the best thought out suggestion I'll admit. I've been using the Gallente scout and I believe the suit is a little OP compared to the other suits. As I see it, it needs all its CPU/PG if I should be able to equip ferroscale plates and end up with a decent tank on it hile still be as fast as the shield suits, so its not an easy issue. Maybe the biggest problem and indeed it has been for so long; basic armor plates are way too good for their fitting cost, if they cost more as they should, this imbalance wouldn't be so bad. FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1692	Posted - 2014.03.31 13:42:00 - [29] - Quote its sooooo much easyer to simply nerf scout suits CPU/PG and it makes 1000000% more sence then this nonsence. not that i endorse that, becuase i dont, if you nerf the CPU and PG you STILL going to have brick tanked amaar and gallante scouts due to plates costing 10cpu 1 pg. to prevent brick tanked scouts you have to prevent brick tanked ANYTHING
Lylith Groff Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 10	Posted - 2014.04.01 14:35:00 - [30] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Patrick57 wrote: KingBabar wrote: I don't. Yes I do have one 869 HP suit that I will try eventually. I mostly run With 560 HP. And I don't see how thats relevant to this discussion either. KingBabar wrote: but should I be able to put 700-800 HP, proto weapns and a cloak? Nerfing all the Scouts because one of them can stack 750 Armor is just bad. Fair enough, though it would be a nerf only to the scouts running With a cloak. So what? A 30 CPU and 15 PG nerf to the Gallente suit to make it on par With the others? Currently the suit seems to be very good in almost anything and I don't see any drwabacks at all. The problem isn't the suit(s). The problem lies in the resources required to fit plates. It takes almost nothing in terms of PG to fit them. Fix resource requirements for plates and all their types and the problem should vanish. Every reality is not but a dream... and every dreamer, a god unknowing.



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