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Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.03.30 04:49:00 -
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i guess this is a good thing. only issue, is proto swarms are knocking out 50% of my shields through hardeners and then some.
Im a little annoyed that people keep viewing swarms as a primary weapon for AV. Its a light weapon ... you can fit it to a cloaked scout. sure, they shouldnt be worthless and do no damage, but i think we over did it a little on the dropships here. partially blame that stupid hardener hotfix, but ive not done any of the maths so what can i say.
also, Invisible swarms and 90* turns around buildings swarms have returned which lead me to believe the dreaded 1.6 swarms have been restored ..
well .. fun being immortal while it lasted! :)
Just read the damn thread
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Doctor Day
THE SUPERHEROS
11
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Posted - 2014.03.30 04:50:00 -
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FFS i just skilled into assault dropships
I don't know how to run facepalm epic fail
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Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San
Dirt Nap Squad.
412
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Posted - 2014.03.30 04:53:00 -
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Doctor Day wrote:FFS i just skilled into assault dropships
yeah, swarmers may as well be this guy now :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCY2me1Gudg
Just read the damn thread
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Patrick57
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
6403
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Posted - 2014.03.30 05:15:00 -
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Well, that's 3-4 mil SP down the drain... |
Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San
Dirt Nap Squad.
412
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Posted - 2014.03.30 05:20:00 -
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im very happy i did not put all of my dropsuit command sp straight into vehicles, and instead got the proto magsec and proto gallente scout. else, id probably be quitting dust about now :P
Just read the damn thread
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1pawn dust
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2014.03.30 06:49:00 -
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50% shield dmg through hardener? I think somebody is drinking petrol.
Now dont get me wrong, I think a light aircraft getting slammed by 6 missles should take next to no dmg either, but you could have just pulled up or engaged AB and be out of any kind of danger in roughly 0.75 seconds. |
LudiKure ninda
MostlyHarmless.
74
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Posted - 2014.03.30 08:10:00 -
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Dont use ADS!!! Its a TRAPPPP 
It will take away your ISK! 
Solo player..
SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED!
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
7874
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Posted - 2014.03.30 08:16:00 -
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Light AV is not supposed to be inferior to Heavy AV.
Light AV - Hunting down vehicles
Heavy AV - Defending locations from vehicles
My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone.
If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4674
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Posted - 2014.03.30 08:21:00 -
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Why did you put a Shield Hardener on an Incubus? |
Black SlaverX
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
92
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Posted - 2014.03.30 08:23:00 -
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depends on half of how many shields?
1800?
Well then proto swarms are doing 900 damage per volley, which is perfectly fine.
Watch your back because I might be there.
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1164
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Posted - 2014.03.30 08:37:00 -
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... I'm having no troubles here. Just fly away, come back and pop whomever it is that thinks they can tango with me.
I even took out some Cal heavy forgegunners. Guess the changes are going to sort the FotM-ers from the actual pilots.
Me in my ADS: 1,2
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Dauth Jenkins
Ultramarine Corp
330
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Posted - 2014.03.30 08:38:00 -
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Complaining about swarms? Really? Stop being so greedy
Sees prototompers...
Sees blueberries start to snipe...
Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
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Pvt Numnutz
R 0 N 1 N
1052
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Posted - 2014.03.30 08:39:00 -
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I haven't had much of a problem, the one thing I have noticed is that the knock back from swarms seems to have gone up in 1.8 as some swarms have nearly made my dropship flip and has knocked me into a few buildings. I'm not complaining just putting it out there, its gonna take a few days to adapt.
Swarms, especially 2 or 3 are devastating to a python. However we are still able to limp away thanks to the lock range. Whatever happens with swarms I hope the lock range stays low, it was bs back in the day when one proto swarm could deny the map and shoot from so far away you couldn't see where they were firing from and you couldn't run from them.
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
867
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Posted - 2014.03.30 09:06:00 -
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"Im a little annoyed that people keep viewing Assault Rifles as a primary weapon for Anti-Infantry. Its a light weapon ... you can fit it to a cloaked scout. sure, they shouldnt be worthless and do no damage, but i think we over did it a little on the heavies here." Same logic can be applied to anything. "Because my Forge is a HEAVY AV weapon, it should be able to two shot you." Balancing based off the name of things is a bad idea. It is the same reason why in League ADC's were hands down the most powerful role in Season 3 because "Duh, their carries" and Supports were nothing more than ward monkeys because "Duh, their supports."
I can understand the frustration though. Hardeners were nerfed because a hardened tank or double hardened vehicle was immune to damage. The people that either didn't use tanks or double hardener (I am in one of those camps) got unfairly screwed by the change. "Because that guy was too powerful for using two things, I am now much weaker because I use one?" There were better ways to go about the likely needed nerf to vehicle defense but hitting the hardener is a far larger hit to those vehicles that didn't have 5,200 base HP.
"People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
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BrownEye1129
Death In Xcess Corporation
255
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Posted - 2014.03.30 09:08:00 -
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Doctor Day wrote:FFS i just skilled into assault dropships
FOTM last well, only a month 
When the time comes......
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
2306
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Posted - 2014.03.30 10:45:00 -
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Saying Swarms shouldn't be a primary AV weapon is like saying people shouldn't be killing heavies with a pistol.
Its Anti-Vehicle its job is to Counter Vehicles.
Its light Anti-Vehicle not Anti-Light-Vehicle.
However I have always believed Transport Vehicles (pure Transport, none of this Assault stuff) should have a higher Tank than other vehicles.
But apparently CCP disagrees.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
2595
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Posted - 2014.03.30 11:29:00 -
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I killed a python with swarms for the first time in months yesterday and was overjoyed - didn't even expect it! However, the fool was flying at about 30m altitude trying to gun down all the ground forces because no one was AVing.
Swarms are still exactly the same as they were, so fly at 200m and unless the swarmer is right underneath you, he won't even be able to lock on.
Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot
Scout community is the nuts
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pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1613
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Posted - 2014.03.30 11:47:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:I killed a python with swarms for the first time in months yesterday and was overjoyed - didn't even expect it! However, the fool was flying at about 30m altitude trying to gun down all the ground forces because no one was AVing.
Swarms are still exactly the same as they were, so fly at 200m and unless the swarmer is right underneath you, he won't even be able to lock on.
when you are in any vehicle infantry are pretty much dots on the screen at 200m . And I play on a 32 inch flat screen had TV so getting any kids at 200 m requires either really good aim or luck.
Edited because auto correct is a spaz
Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012.
I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
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Yeeeuuuupppp
214
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Posted - 2014.03.30 14:38:00 -
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I'm being forced to spec further into the swarms. 2 av grenades leave a vehicle at like 3k armor (soma/ madrugar) and forge guns are bugged. So unless you want me to ram your ADS out of the sky, I'll be using my gimped swarm launcher to try and murder you.
CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9"
I really want the templar set
Feel the wrath of my troll
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
5567
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Posted - 2014.03.30 15:01:00 -
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Now if only my plasma cannon could kill dropships, or tanks, or hit them in the first place.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Booby Tuesdays
Ahrendee Mercenaries
427
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Posted - 2014.03.30 15:13:00 -
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They can kill dropships again, but you sure as hell can still outrun them. You can also still just climb to the ceiling and avoid lockon range pretty easily. Swarms need their lock on range increased to at least 200m, but at least I don't feel like I'm wasting a clone when I spawn AV anymore.
Pilots are just used to being invincible the past 3 months, and now they can actually be taken out by things other than railtanks and forge guns. I would be really curious to hear from someone that runs plasma cannon on their gal commando....
If you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
3155
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Posted - 2014.03.30 15:22:00 -
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I just outrun them
Barely get shot down anymore
Tho the incubus is worse off now and the python cant tank even basic swarms with 1 hardener on so i seem to spend more time at 301m up
Intelligence is OP
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
2538
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Posted - 2014.03.30 15:39:00 -
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Pics or it didn't happen.
Also: Even in 1.6 if your ADS was routinely getting taken down (not just scared off) by swarrms, you were doing it wrong.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Forum Warrior lv.2
Amarr victor!
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Louis Domi
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
162
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Posted - 2014.03.30 15:50:00 -
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Whoa i was thinking about going back into ADS should i still? I was gonna spend this events sp on it |
Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
824
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Posted - 2014.03.30 16:01:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:I killed a python with swarms for the first time in months yesterday and was overjoyed - didn't even expect it! However, the fool was flying at about 30m altitude trying to gun down all the ground forces because no one was AVing.
Swarms are still exactly the same as they were, so fly at 200m and unless the swarmer is right underneath you, he won't even be able to lock on.
So fly higher then infantry will render is you response. Yep that's totally fair.
CCP you better nail 1.8, as it stands 1.7 is a total disaster.
Henchmen21: Infantry
Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
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Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
364
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Posted - 2014.03.30 16:06:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Saying Swarms shouldn't be a primary AV weapon is like saying people shouldn't be killing heavies with a pistol.
Its Anti-Vehicle its job is to Counter Vehicles.
Its light Anti-Vehicle not Anti-Light-Vehicle.
However I have always believed Transport Vehicles (pure Transport, none of this Assault stuff) should have a higher Tank than other vehicles.
But apparently CCP disagrees.
i can get 2007/3388 150armor rep on my gunless grim. that's much higher tank than normal
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
forum warrior .189
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Alpha 443-6732
General Tso's Alliance
391
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Posted - 2014.03.30 16:10:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Light AV is not supposed to be inferior to Heavy AV.
Light AV - Hunting down vehicles
Heavy AV - Defending locations from vehicles
You are a genius! Did you make that up right on the spot? |
Alpha 443-6732
General Tso's Alliance
391
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Posted - 2014.03.30 16:16:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:"Im a little annoyed that people keep viewing Assault Rifles as a primary weapon for Anti-Infantry. Its a light weapon ... you can fit it to a cloaked scout. sure, they shouldnt be worthless and do no damage, but i think we over did it a little on the heavies here." Same logic can be applied to anything. "Because my Forge is a HEAVY AV weapon, it should be able to two shot you." Balancing based off the name of things is a bad idea. It is the same reason why in League ADC's were hands down the most powerful role in Season 3 because "Duh, their carries" and Supports were nothing more than ward monkeys because "Duh, their supports."
I can understand the frustration though. Hardeners were nerfed because a hardened tank or double hardened vehicle was immune to damage. The people that either didn't use tanks or double hardener (I am in one of those camps) got unfairly screwed by the change. "Because that guy was too powerful for using two things, I am now much weaker because I use one?" There were better ways to go about the likely needed nerf to vehicle defense but hitting the hardener is a far larger hit to those vehicles that didn't have 5,200 base HP.
we aren't balancing off the name you moron, we are balancing off the suit that carries it and the concept of a heavy weapon.
You know what? Why don't we all just use pistols when you apparently want them to be on par with a massive minigun? CCP should hire you!
Balancing off the name is perfectly fine when the ONLY suit that uses it makes compromises for said weapon.
Also, league of lolis is a terrible game, with another terrible dev team made for the lowest kinds of consumers.
Thank you. |
EternalRMG
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
Lokun Listamenn
765
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Posted - 2014.03.30 16:38:00 -
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Learn 2 Fly
"Fight Togheter; Win Together"
Duster Since: July 2012
Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1964
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Posted - 2014.03.30 16:51:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Pics or it didn't happen.
Also: Even in 1.6 if your ADS was routinely getting taken down (not just scared off) by swarrms, you were doing it wrong.
Do you even fly?
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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