Tiers are what make DUST interesting and differentiate it from other FPS games in the market. Risk vs. ISK is what makes DUST more interesting than any other FPS ever made.

The NPE can be solved by making an optional 2nd tier academy mode so players with less than 5mill SP can fight each other and avoid being stomped until they have enough SP to build a decent fit.

IWS had a topic on a good way to do tiericide that we all agreed on so...

Tiers are what make DUST interesting and differentiate it from other FPS games in the market. Risk vs. ISK is what makes DUST more interesting than any other FPS ever made.

The NPE can be solved by making an optional 2nd tier academy mode so players with less than 5mill SP can fight each other and avoid being stomped until they have enough SP to build a decent fit.

So being able to obliterate a person of a lower tier simply because they haven't played as long as you, regardless of skill is interesting?

Then we're going to need:

More T2 suits.

More T1 vehicles.

More T2 Vehicles.

T3 of both.

PvE.

More Officer gear.

More Faction gear.

Player market.

We want to make it like EvE yes, then we need what EvE's got.

You overestimate the use of higher tiered equipment compared to lower tiered equipment.

I recently made an entirely fresh alt to see what the game was like with lower skills and equipment. As it turns out, I did a heck of a lot better warpoint and k/d-wise than I did when I first started dust.

Proto isn't some kind of "auto-win button" as you butthurt losers paint it out to be. I killed protos with a 500k sp character and MLT gear. It was hard, yes and it required me to use every bit of exprience and knowledge of the game mechanics that I, as a player accrued over my many months of playing. But I damn sure didn't get "obliterated"...

I agree that the NPE is terrible...I went through it. I understand that tiericide would level the playing field for new players and probably make the game more fun.

That said, tiericide makes me nervous. Can't really explain why, but I've played for months and I can't imagine Dust without tiers. I enjoy the RPG elements and depth of this game...tiericide would make it feel shallow for me.

So you want to make this game like all other games? tiers,SP,ISK are the only things that sets apart this game from others.

So you want to make this game like all other games? tiers,SP,ISK are the only things that sets apart this game from others.

with out tiers there would be no Rule of dust " the new bunny gets its face smashed in with a pro rock"
and with out that there's no dust 514 !

So being able to obliterate a person of a lower tier simply because they haven't played as long as you, regardless of skill is interesting?

Yes..its very interesting. just because you and half the community dont like it does not mean we need to change it. you people do not own this game ok. we can play it however we want. if you dont like it well thats to bad. nobody tells you how to play and there is no way in the world anyone will tell me how to play unless they paid me and even still. Obliterating people who cant fight back is fun for a large number of people. again if you dont like it thats just to bad.

I think your idea is interesting. In fact I had a similar discussion with corp mates yesterday. However, their reactions were similar to those which you've received.

I think what makes this game frustrating but at the same time compelling is the SP system and its related character customization. Your suggestion would effectively eradicate the latter, thereby stressing the FPS elements of the game over and against the RPG elements of it.

While I sympathize with this desire (it is no fun being mowed down by a nearly static HMG user from 60+ meters away - - especially when just starting out), perhaps the easier and simpler fix is for CCP to increase the weekly cap to say 500,000 sp. Moreover, they should release active boosters that provide 3x SP per match. Indeed, the point is to keep old players playing (i.e., those who have spent a lot of time and money getting to where are in character development) and to encourage new players to play (those who have little SP to play with and who don't want to wait several months to get that SP). Heck, I might even say new players could be given one limited Free 4x active SP booster.

Right now, I think the issue with the game is the business model. CCP wants to make money - - I mean, they need to make it; otherwise the game cannot continue. However, if you're new, there's almost no reason to pay money. The game hasn't gotten great reviews. And playing as a new player is a pretty awful experience. The reaction is generally: "interesting concept, but too slow progression."

CCP ought to make this a pay-to-play game. But at this point they wouldn't get any new players and might even lose some old ones (given the relative failure of recent updates). The alternative to pay to play, then, from a business vantage point, is pay to win, which would not so much affect older players as newer ones. Having a pay to win model means newer players can witness what olders have and can then decide to pay to get to that point quicker. As it is now, I don't know anyone who, after playing for a day or two, would pay five bucks to get an extra 500k SP. I mean, that's about twenty bucks a month for 2mil SP - - and it takes at least 10 mil to be remotely effective, so therefore that is 20 bucks for five months or 100 dollars. There's no way anyone is going to pay that much and play for that long getting stomped. With the boosters being added an extra multiplier and the weekly cap being doubled, this would effectively cut the play time and cost in half, making it about the same as the price of a standard game (50 bucks) and also playable like one.

So being able to obliterate a person of a lower tier simply because they haven't played as long as you, regardless of skill is interesting?

So being able to obliterate a person of a lower tier simply because they haven't played as long as you, regardless of skill is interesting?