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8213
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2002
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Posted - 2014.03.29 11:55:00 -
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So, the railgun range nerf is a double edged sword. Its nice not having to even think about some smuck in the redline trying to snipe the map, however it has allowed ADSes to much freedom in the game.
I'm seeing more, and more, ADS spam with every game. People complain about having 6 tanks in a battle at once, but 6 ADSes is certainly worse.
The advantages ADSes have over tanks and infantry can be best described as so: Wasp vs Spider
A wasp able to kill a spider because it has the advantage of flight.
A better, all be it less practical visual, can be seen here: Grid
This model is okay, if the ADS is within the RG's tracking speed. The light purple represents the safe zone for the ADS. Doesn't look like much does it?
This is why RGs stayed in the redline. Because they need to be so far back to have so much coverage.
Unless more types of AV are put into the game that are usable against ADSes, the railgun is the only option.
Nobody like vehicle spam. Especially new players. With 16v16 game modes, I believe that vehicles in public objective gamemodes should also be lowered; to 4 per side.
I ain't got time for dat sh!t
At least I'm not King ThunderBolt
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
2282
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:16:00 -
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Now I see why CCP wanted to remove the ADS, being an ADS pilot myself its sad to see my favorite vehicle being abused.
For the Federation!
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VikingKong iBUN
Third Rock From The Sun
35
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:25:00 -
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Did they fix forge guns yet? Forge guns are just as bad, if not more deadly for an ADS. If forge guns are still horrifically broken like they were last time I played then this would be having just as much impact as the railgun nerf. |
Dunce Masterson
Savage Bullet
67
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Posted - 2014.03.29 17:35:00 -
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-1 quit your QQ'ing Rail turrets are still capable of destroying ADS's so i dont want to hear about it.
From reading your post you do not fly ADS your self so you don't know how broken the red line is and how over powered the 600m range on the Rail turrets was.
now a Turret with 600m range and the damage and rate of fire would need restrictions such as;
1) 90 degree forward horizontal firing arc
2) 1/2 of the current Turret elevation.
3) 4 round clip size. yeah you better make those shots count.
It takes player skill to make you has mad as you are bro so stop your bitching and whining.
I don't even know why I bother.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7706
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Posted - 2014.03.29 17:43:00 -
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Reserve your judgment until Judge Rhadamanthus posts his professional critique on the subject matter.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Psychotic Shooter
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
162
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Posted - 2014.03.29 18:46:00 -
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+1
This is why Ok so i think all rails should do 1/2 damage but give the range back Rails are ment to be a long range weapon not a short range weapon, And Dunce Masterson dont tell us to stop QQ'ing When all you dropships where QQ'ing about us tank AND BY THE WAY A TANK SOULD EASILY TAKE OUT A DROP SHIP WOULD WOULD HAPPEN IN A CHALLENGER 2 MAIN BATTLE TANK SHOT A SHELL AND HIT AN APACHE IT WOULD BE INSTA KILLED SO YOUR LUCKY IT TAKE 2 OR MORE SHOTS TO TAKE YOU OUT WHEN WE ARE ON THE GROUND 3 HITTING ENEMY TANKS.
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GVGMODE
WorstPlayersEver
161
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:04:00 -
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The real problem is the elevation that dropships can reach it is outrageous given that no anti-vehicle can reach such heights.
The best solution is to limit the map ceiling a.k.a GÇ£flight zoneGÇ¥ by a height of 300 M, this is mainly because the most effective way to survive is to just turn your after burners and reach the map ceiling (It is like a private red line that cover the entire map).
Quote:The Assault class is a low-level aerial attack craft. Its light frame makes it highly maneuverable, while the front-mounted pilot-controlled turret gives it a significant advantage in aerial engagements.
If it was meant to be a "low-level aerial attack craft", why it can fly at the top of the map?
Pilot: (Tanks / Assault Dropships)
Skype: GVGMODE
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Dunce Masterson
Savage Bullet
67
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:06:00 -
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@Psychotic Shooter this game is built on balance not real life deal with it would you like a lucky rail gun hit to kill you in your tank? or infantry tracking you so you cant move? or another tank destroying your turret so you cant fight back?
And real life doesn't have a redline
I don't even know why I bother.
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GVGMODE
WorstPlayersEver
161
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:12:00 -
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I believe balance also involves being able to fightback when you are being shot at at least once, don't get me wrong I love to fly with my ADS a.k.a. "Castle in the Air" without being able to die but it just feels unfair to shoot a tank with no risk involved to me.
And, if you ever get shot you just need to elevate a little more and you are untouchable.
LMAO
Pilot: (Tanks / Assault Dropships)
Skype: GVGMODE
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8213
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2012
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:39:00 -
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Dunce Masterson wrote:@Psychotic Shooter this game is built on balance not real life deal with it would you like a lucky rail gun hit to kill you in your tank? or infantry tracking you so you cant move? or another tank destroying your turret so you cant fight back?
And real life doesn't have a redline
I'll admit, the redline railgun is annoying. As a tanker, I have to deal with them to. Nothing like getting insta-popped and dying (as we tankers don't have the option to bail when our HP is taken) by some guy across the map.
However, as a tanker it is my job to be aware of my battlefield. When I get popped, it is because of my lack of awareness and judgement.
This far into the DUST's lifespan, you must be aware of the redline and the dangers that come from it. If you want to talk about balance, then the ADS simply wins. It is more capable than a tank. This is why the best ADS pilots have more success than the best tankers.
And for the record, a lucky railgun shot to my tank will pop in 1-shot. Also a FG is capable of popping a tank in 1-shot too.
And really, the redline is not that bad for vehicles (all though some maps hare worse than others). Ambush doesn't have a redline even, so ADSes rule supreme there. And you forget, that you have a redline too and you can use it to recover or hang out just as well. Besides, you're capable of using an after burner for 3 seconds to be out of range of everything in the game.
Right now the railgun can only engage a ADS at a maximum of 225 liner meters. Which considering your missiles range is less than that, seems off-balance; until you factor in the fact that you have more volume of safety than tank shooting you does.
I ain't got time for dat sh!t
At least I'm not King ThunderBolt
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8213
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2012
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:41:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Reserve your judgment until Judge Rhadamanthus posts his professional critique on the subject matter.
Judge is a classic example of smoke & mirrors.
His videos are still subjective, opinionated, and only serve information that assists whatever point he is trying to make. They are well put together, but the information in them is still wrong and/or subjective. Not to say that he never makes a valid argument or point, but you still have to look through it with objectivity.
I ain't got time for dat sh!t
At least I'm not King ThunderBolt
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Temias Mercurial
ANGEL FLEET
39
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:45:00 -
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Psychotic Shooter wrote:+1
This is why Ok so i think all rails should do 1/2 damage but give the range back Rails are ment to be a long range weapon not a short range weapon, And Dunce Masterson dont tell us to stop QQ'ing When all you dropships where QQ'ing about us tank AND BY THE WAY A TANK SOULD EASILY TAKE OUT A DROP SHIP WOULD WOULD HAPPEN IN A CHALLENGER 2 MAIN BATTLE TANK SHOT A SHELL AND HIT AN APACHE IT WOULD BE INSTA KILLED SO YOUR LUCKY IT TAKE 2 OR MORE SHOTS TO TAKE YOU OUT WHEN WE ARE ON THE GROUND 3 HITTING ENEMY TANKS.
300meter is short? Tell me how balanced a 400meter lock-on range was for swarms... |
KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
1071
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:54:00 -
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Forge guns and large rail gun turrets are still borked. So are bonuses not being active on spawn in.
Nothing new there. Who knew?  Does one of these emoticons mean Pun?
And so it goes.
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GVGISDEAD
WorstPlayersEver
0
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:58:00 -
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FYI
The current 175 m lock-on favors the ADS more.
Swarm have an effective range of 400m and an absolute range of 500 m |
KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
1071
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:04:00 -
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ADS are not a huge problem currently. The rail gun range Nerf is not good that I will agree with. However, as the Devs have removed the majority of Rail Gun Installations it really isn't a game breaker. I adjusted and the only real problem is the missile turrets have unlimited range? WTH is that about? Time to lay the Range Nerf Hammer down on them as well.
There is one problem with the range that give the ADS a huge advantage. The rail gun tanks cannot target the ADS without some range and getting the front of the tank pointed into the air. There is no other way to get to a high flying ADS and now with 299m it means they can easily avoid most rail gun rounds.
In truth we all know the real problem here. There is no matchmaking in Dust.
And so it goes.
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1242
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:52:00 -
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I'm sorry but my wyrkomi breach forge gun does not agree with this post
Plasma Cannon Advocate
Heavy event survivor
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1242
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:56:00 -
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8213 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Reserve your judgment until Judge Rhadamanthus posts his professional critique on the subject matter. Judge is a classic example of smoke & mirrors. His videos are still subjective, opinionated, and only serve information that assists whatever point he is trying to make. They are well put together, but the information in them is still wrong and/or subjective. Not to say that he never makes a valid argument or point, but you still have to look through it with objectivity.
The information in judges videos are in no way subjective. His numbers are concrete and the math doesnt Lie. While he is an excellent dropship pilot and does advocate for the ship, he considers many points before stating anything in hs video.
Further more, he advocates for the fixing of swarm launchers; an AV weapon with the potentiol to mess and DS pilots day up. Also we have to add that shield and armor modules got nerfed to the point where ADS can easily be done away with.
BTW; he always makes a valid point. The thing is that scrubs don't like it.
Plasma Cannon Advocate
Heavy event survivor
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pseudosnipre
Fatal Absolution
655
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Posted - 2014.03.31 20:42:00 -
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Forge bug.
That is all.
Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
BitterVet the turkey says GOML GOML GOML
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Lynn Beck
Wake N' Bake Inc
Top Men.
987
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Posted - 2014.03.31 20:58:00 -
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Oh. There's a DS inside the city ripping your team to shreds? Good luk with those swarms, as the only places with enough elevation to shoot over the lower buildings are 400m away.
Gl with that.
I refuse to gve honor to your 'god' so therefore i dual tank.
Also i feel itchy. Anybody got a tube of Rust-It?
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
6321
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Posted - 2014.03.31 21:04:00 -
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GVGISDEAD wrote:FYI
The current 175 m lock-on favors the ADS more.
Swarm have an effective range of 400m and an absolute range of 500 m
Effective and Absolute Ranges are irrelevant, as the Swarm Launcher user can only attack within their lock range (175m),
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