Maybe you're just not that good. Hell I am not even that good but little concrete pillars get me killed more then anything in my tank.

Dude it's sad because they barley nerfed tanks.. OP have you even tried to take out a tank with tank ticklers aka swarms?

LOL SAYS THE RAILTANKER MAD cuz he cant shoot 500 meters

It's painfully clear you don't want them to have any kind of role on the battlefield. Now it's painfully easy for Joe Scrub to easily destroy me because lol, infantry can't do a damn thing about vehicles, and needs to have them nerfed all the damn time to cause a single little scratch to them.

I've been tanking for damn near a year, and now any worthless baby can easily destroy me, whether it be 0 SP AV or a completely MLT tank with 0 SP into it.

CCP, if you're going to go the route of Call of Duty, which 99% of the forums seems to want you to go, then just bow down to them already and remove vehicles. If you're going to make them that worthless, then I want no part in them, and I'd rather use the SP to make a fullscrub lolassault suit and participate in Medium Suit 514.

There's literally no point to tanking anymore. I used to be able to take on a bunch of really bad tankers and make a joke out of them. Now some idiot using tanks for the first time makes my experience completely useless.

For the first time ever, a tanker is starting a petition to remove vehicles. CCP, I've lost faith in your ability to make vehicles worth something. Now, I just want my SP in vehicles back so I can at least try to keep up with the status quo of Medium Suit 514. Remove vehicles, and show the world where you stand.

Alcohol may or may not have had a role in this thread. At either rate, the hell with my remaining SP, I'll get it without a booster because it's just not worth the damn effort. If you're going to incrementally nerf an entire playstyle, then goddamn remove it and to hell with all the pilots. Right?

I just want my SP in vehicles back so I can at least try to keep up with the status quo of Medium Suit 514.

It's painfully clear you don't want them to have any kind of role on the battlefield. Now it's painfully easy for Joe Scrub to easily destroy me because lol, infantry can't do a damn thing about vehicles, and needs to have them nerfed all the damn time to cause a single little scratch to them.

I've been tanking for damn near a year, and now any worthless baby can easily destroy me, whether it be 0 SP AV or a completely MLT tank with 0 SP into it.

CCP, if you're going to go the route of Call of Duty, which 99% of the forums seems to want you to go, then just bow down to them already and remove vehicles. If you're going to make them that worthless, then I want no part in them, and I'd rather use the SP to make a fullscrub lolassault suit and participate in Medium Suit 514.

There's literally no point to tanking anymore. I used to be able to take on a bunch of really bad tankers and make a joke out of them. Now some idiot using tanks for the first time makes my experience completely useless.

For the first time ever, a tanker is starting a petition to remove vehicles. CCP, I've lost faith in your ability to make vehicles worth something. Now, I just want my SP in vehicles back so I can at least try to keep up with the status quo of Medium Suit 514. Remove vehicles, and show the world where you stand.

Alcohol may or may not have had a role in this thread. At either rate, the hell with my remaining SP, I'll get it without a booster because it's just not worth the damn effort. If you're going to incrementally nerf an entire playstyle, then goddamn remove it and to hell with all the pilots. Right?

Nobody cares about the rail nerf.

It's the hardener overnerf that's crippling.

My regen, with my fully-complex fit Gunnlogi running a single complex hardener, which takes up nearly one quarter of my fitting resources, can be stopped by a militia swarm launcher.

Even worse than that, blasters are now perfectly viable for CQC AV, where a rail was preferable previously and are still able to slaughter infantry all day long. Missiles are even more of a joke. Hardener nerf has barely decreased TTK, but TTK for rails and blasters has decreased dramatically.

Hardeners are on the out.

My current Gunnlogi fitting I'm tinkering with has an extender, a nitrous and and a damage mod in its highs, and a plate and a repper in its lows.
I've turned down the gun from a PRO turret to an ADV one, because there's no need for the particle cannon's DPS, considering that I'm trying to maximise my own survivability more than minimizing the enemy's.

I'll need to plug my numbers into a fitting calculator before I make any final decisions, but there it is: hardeners no longer have pride of place in a Gunnlogi fitting. In its place nothing has appeared save damage mods.

It's painfully clear you don't want them to have any kind of role on the battlefield. Now it's painfully easy for Joe Scrub to easily destroy me because lol, infantry can't do a damn thing about vehicles, and needs to have them nerfed all the damn time to cause a single little scratch to them.

I've been tanking for damn near a year, and now any worthless baby can easily destroy me, whether it be 0 SP AV or a completely MLT tank with 0 SP into it.

CCP, if you're going to go the route of Call of Duty, which 99% of the forums seems to want you to go, then just bow down to them already and remove vehicles. If you're going to make them that worthless, then I want no part in them, and I'd rather use the SP to make a fullscrub lolassault suit and participate in Medium Suit 514.

There's literally no point to tanking anymore. I used to be able to take on a bunch of really bad tankers and make a joke out of them. Now some idiot using tanks for the first time makes my experience completely useless.

For the first time ever, a tanker is starting a petition to remove vehicles. CCP, I've lost faith in your ability to make vehicles worth something. Now, I just want my SP in vehicles back so I can at least try to keep up with the status quo of Medium Suit 514. Remove vehicles, and show the world where you stand.

Alcohol may or may not have had a role in this thread. At either rate, the hell with my remaining SP, I'll get it without a booster because it's just not worth the damn effort. If you're going to incrementally nerf an entire playstyle, then goddamn remove it and to hell with all the pilots. Right?

It's painfully clear you don't want them to have any kind of role on the battlefield. Now it's painfully easy for Joe Scrub to easily destroy me because lol, infantry can't do a damn thing about vehicles, and needs to have them nerfed all the damn time to cause a single little scratch to them.

I've been tanking for damn near a year, and now any worthless baby can easily destroy me, whether it be 0 SP AV or a completely MLT tank with 0 SP into it.

CCP, if you're going to go the route of Call of Duty, which 99% of the forums seems to want you to go, then just bow down to them already and remove vehicles. If you're going to make them that worthless, then I want no part in them, and I'd rather use the SP to make a fullscrub lolassault suit and participate in Medium Suit 514.

There's literally no point to tanking anymore. I used to be able to take on a bunch of really bad tankers and make a joke out of them. Now some idiot using tanks for the first time makes my experience completely useless.

For the first time ever, a tanker is starting a petition to remove vehicles. CCP, I've lost faith in your ability to make vehicles worth something. Now, I just want my SP in vehicles back so I can at least try to keep up with the status quo of Medium Suit 514. Remove vehicles, and show the world where you stand.

Alcohol may or may not have had a role in this thread. At either rate, the hell with my remaining SP, I'll get it without a booster because it's just not worth the damn effort. If you're going to incrementally nerf an entire playstyle, then goddamn remove it and to hell with all the pilots. Right?

As for OP generally everyone trolls the thread, its the norm

But hes right, this is the 2nd complete overhaul of vehicles, the vehicles originally back in chromo were fine and in pre 1.7 okay against other tanks but AV needed a big tweek but instead they overhauled the vehicles again to what we have now

What we have now is another vehicle overhaul where 0SP pilots is nearly on par with 20mil SP pilots and again most of the complaints about vehicles came from infantry and the TTK is even shorter between tanks

Id like to see proto pilots suits and hulls but infantry keep saying no while they run around in all proto gear with the suit/mods and AV weapon

The pilot community is damn small, its vastly outnumbered by infantry and no matter what happens CCP will always do what they want

I dont think id miss vehicles too much if they removed them, its not that to shoot at someone but cod in space 514 edition doesnt really intrest me either

In this case shouldn't the module bonuses apply to the pilot suit and not the hulls? The core calibration etc, should it be multiplied to the suit or the tank core or both?

The issue is simple really:

Tank vs Tank and Tank vs AV is two different beast.

Only way to fix one with out breaking the other is look at them different. I seen a post about returning the hardners where they were but in doing so giving Infrantry AV weapon a pierce effect (whatever you want to call it) but in short it ignores a percentage of a hardener.

Tanks would still have their Tank vs Tank battles and AV would still be usefull against tanks. Nobody enjoys being a LOL-AVer. Not being able to tickle a tank.

Fair enough? Tanks get what they want and AV feels like they are useful again.

How would this be for balance?

Two basic* AV grenades to take out a basic* LAV of the same level.

Approximately twenty percent of base total basic* SWARM ammo capacity to take out a basic* DS of the same level.

Approximately twenty percent of base total basic* Forge ammo capacity to take out a basic* HAV of the same level.

If this were the principle of balance, I wouldn't mind AV set ups being about the same price as what they should counter or vehicles being made cheaper.

Don't bother answering, I already know many vehicle pilots would be ranting and raving that Infantry AV would be OP.

*Basic meaning no bonuses figured into the equation, just the raw base unmodified numbers.

It's painfully clear you don't want them to have any kind of role on the battlefield. Now it's painfully easy for Joe Scrub to easily destroy me because lol, infantry can't do a damn thing about vehicles, and needs to have them nerfed all the damn time to cause a single little scratch to them.

I've been tanking for damn near a year, and now any worthless baby can easily destroy me, whether it be 0 SP AV or a completely MLT tank with 0 SP into it.

CCP, if you're going to go the route of Call of Duty, which 99% of the forums seems to want you to go, then just bow down to them already and remove vehicles. If you're going to make them that worthless, then I want no part in them, and I'd rather use the SP to make a fullscrub lolassault suit and participate in Medium Suit 514.

There's literally no point to tanking anymore. I used to be able to take on a bunch of really bad tankers and make a joke out of them. Now some idiot using tanks for the first time makes my experience completely useless.

For the first time ever, a tanker is starting a petition to remove vehicles. CCP, I've lost faith in your ability to make vehicles worth something. Now, I just want my SP in vehicles back so I can at least try to keep up with the status quo of Medium Suit 514. Remove vehicles, and show the world where you stand.

Alcohol may or may not have had a role in this thread. At either rate, the hell with my remaining SP, I'll get it without a booster because it's just not worth the damn effort. If you're going to incrementally nerf an entire playstyle, then goddamn remove it and to hell with all the pilots. Right?

I don't think anyone on the forums has said that they want DUST to be like call of duty.

In fact if anything I would propose CCP take a Battlefield-esq approach to vehicles. By this I mean, make vehicles both cheaper and less tanky, however give them some form of countermeasures so that good tanking comes down to awareness and precise timing of ~modules~.
I assume changes like this would mean tanks in general would die more / quicker - however this is a good thing. At the same time CCP could make tanks / vehicles cheaper and thus you then have a situation similar to battlefield where for the most part - vehicles are balanced vs infantry.

The only other option as I see it is to take the other route and make vehicles / tanks akin to ships in eve. However for that to truely work, vehicles would need capacitors. (A pool of energy that is used up as modules and stuff are turned on / activated.)

I honestly do prefer the second option and I do think with a bit of input from the CCP EVE devs, could be awesome. However we know what CCP DUST is like and they are prone to make mistakes so for the sake of good gameplay, the first option of making ~Battlefield-esq~ tank gameplay is probably the way to go.

Im in the same boat

I deleted all my gunlogis which i prob had about 15 diff fits

The 1 hardener now can no longer give decent resistance to basic swarms so resistance to a FG or a rail is next to non existant which means i either have to run 2 hardeners at the same time which funny enough is what infantry complained about but now has forced me to do or i try a radical new fit with no resistances

Any fits with 1 hardener means i defo need and extender but also a booster now for lost shield or maybe a nitro

All i can do is theory craft a few fits but everytime i compare a fit to a maddy it doesnt look as good