DUST Search - The armor/sheild tanking scouts

Yan Darn wrote:

Bethhy wrote:

JARREL THOMAS wrote:

Should we have a certain hp on both armor and sheild that a scout cant pass?

Because when I was in my caldari scout i shot at a gal scout he turned around and cut me down with his sg he still had 535 armor left.

You guys are being silly... If a scout wants to stack plates, they are only able to perform very limited tasks... Are extremely vulnerable and given up its main asset... speed... for just 300 health... Its not a trade off anyone would make bar a few isolated uses.

Not only that but no matter how the scout stacks their health they will still be inferior to a good assault... a similar skilled Gallente Assault... 900 Armor.. rifle bonus.. 3 high slots... trumps an armor tanked gal scout.. Every time.

A Kincat Shotgun scout however?

Kinda like a BPO heavy meeting a real heavy... The imposter get's sat down at the kiddie table.

They seem to cause great amount of QQ though - for the most part it's the Gal scout that benefits most/loses the least by brick tanking. They still have the dampening and intel boost and 2 equips. I'd argue the gal-assault overall is a little UP in comparison (In fairness, I've never played anything but scout, so it's hard for me to comment).

To me that is because regular armour plating is a little unbalanced. If scouts were only using shield mods, ferroscales and reactives you wouldn't see this QQ.

Same with brick tank logis. Same with Brick tank anything to some extent.

However since scouts are so..."popular" right now, some people talk as if its a scout only problem.

This community sometimes seems to have a very short and selective memory...

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JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 234	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:39:00 - [1] - Quote Should we have a certain hp on both armor and sheild that a scout cant pass? Because when I was in my caldari scout i shot at a gal scout he turned around and cut me down with his sg he still had 535 armor left. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 279	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:42:00 - [2] - Quote That was probably a FOTM "light assault" with stacked plates... Go with a breach MD...
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2376	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:42:00 - [3] - Quote I run cal scout. I have around 300 shields, 87 armour. If you need more than that, you're a scrub. If you run cloak and shotgun, you're a scrub Don't brick tank that scout, come on, get good. Proud member of RND
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 234	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:44:00 - [4] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: I run cal scout. I have around 300 shields, 87 armour. If you need more than that, you're a scrub. yep there are people with way more than that Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 219	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:45:00 - [5] - Quote Something, I've heard someone mention how the armor plate speed penalty should affect scouts a tad bit more. I would be happy with that. Or increasing the hit box when equipping armor plates the smaller the frame the more noticeable the effect. LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 1024	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:49:00 - [6] - Quote I brick tank on my logi scout. But brick tanking shotty scouts? Nope. Fake as heck scouts. I only brick tank my logi scout cause I'm usually the only 'logi' on my team and I'm no good I'm dead. The logi is the most ambushed/hated role besides scout. So combining the two? Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh........... that's why I let the heavy I'm repping mop up those guys. I don't know. If we did that we would see a WHOLE LOT less 'scouts.' But I need my brickness to help out that heavy. People keep falling into his HMG I don't know why. XD I am the shadow, and the ghost in your eyes, I am the scout, that hunts in the night -Shadow Scout Sits on Perch
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 660	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:50:00 - [7] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: I run cal scout. I have around 300 shields, 87 armour. If you need more than that, you're a scrub. is 400 shields and 150 amour scrub? "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 279	Posted - 2014.03.28 11:55:00 - [8] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: Something, I've heard someone mention how the armor plate speed penalty should affect scouts a tad bit more. I would be happy with that. Or increasing the hit box when equipping armor plates the smaller the frame the more noticeable the effect. That's actually a very good proposition, give scouts another -¦50% penalty (of the original penalty) so that you end up with 7.5% speed penalty for standard plates at proto level. It should pretty much make a brick tanked scout slower than a similar tanked assault frame.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1669	Posted - 2014.03.28 12:22:00 - [9] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: That was probably a FOTM "light assault" with stacked plates... Go with a breach MD... FOTM that I've been happily running since last year as the only suit I take seriously on my scout char. "Stay stealthy scouts." GÇô Ron Burgundy
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1269	Posted - 2014.03.28 13:34:00 - [10] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: I run cal scout. I have around 300 shields, 87 armour. If you need more than that, you're a scrub. I have about the same... I do get a few extra HP for Core skills, but it's epic... That rush i get after popping another cloaked Scout....

Gauder Berwyck Deadly Blue Dots 328	Posted - 2014.03.28 14:35:00 - [11] - Quote What is this thread? Moaners unite? So some people have researched the suit bonuses, figured out their playstyle and done the maths. But because their view conflicts with your view they're scrubs... great logic.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 235	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:05:00 - [12] - Quote Gauder Berwyck wrote: What is this thread? Moaners unite? So some people have researched the suit bonuses, figured out their playstyle and done the maths. But because their view conflicts with your view they're scrubs... great logic. Scouts arent supposed to be hp tanked. If so then lets just call them assaults. *The enemy of intelligence is not ignorance but the illusion of intelligence.* Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 173	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:13:00 - [13] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: I run cal scout. I have around 300 shields, 87 armour. If you need more than that, you're a scrub. My exact HP what 2 precision enhancers and 2 dampeners, shotgun, sub, cloak and REs? G0DS AM0NG MEN Director 1.8 is going to be Heavy 514 they said... Looking around all I see are twig men
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 485	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:15:00 - [14] - Quote There should be a penalty for armor stacking, but you shouldn't be restricted to one playstyle like everyone else. (IMO) I and another corpmate brought up the idea of If you have THAT much armor, you should light up like a Christmas tree on the radar. Because that much armor on a Scout should make noise due to weight distribution. It's logical. Make it effect their E-WAR bonuses. Done. Balanced.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 235	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:17:00 - [15] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: I run cal scout. I have around 300 shields, 87 armour. If you need more than that, you're a scrub. My exact HP what 2 precision enhancers and 2 dampeners, shotgun, sub, cloak and REs? We never said that we said you dont need to be an assault in a scout Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2281	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:25:00 - [16] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: Something, I've heard someone mention how the armor plate speed penalty should affect scouts a tad bit more. I would be happy with that. Or increasing the hit box when equipping armor plates the smaller the frame the more noticeable the effect. And what about shield scouts? For the Federation!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2281	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:26:00 - [17] - Quote Lightning xVx wrote: There should be a penalty for armor stacking, but you shouldn't be restricted to one playstyle like everyone else. (IMO) I and another corpmate brought up the idea of If you have THAT much armor, you should light up like a Christmas tree on the radar. Because that much armor on a Scout should make noise due to weight distribution. It's logical. Make it effect their E-WAR bonuses. Done. Balanced. And having a ton of shields doesn't increase your electronic signature? Armor suits aren't the only ones who can get a ton of HP >.> For the Federation!
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 349	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:27:00 - [18] - Quote I have 169 armor and 80 shields...189 on my plasma cannon magsec scout due to reactive plates for a little extra regen. Thats the heaviest tank I ever have... Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Sidearms are terribly underestimated.
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 173	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:28:00 - [19] - Quote gallente scout can get close to what 750 armor and a cal scout can get 450 shield? G0DS AM0NG MEN Director 1.8 is going to be Heavy 514 they said... Looking around all I see are twig men
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2281	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:32:00 - [20] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: gallente scout can get close to what 750 armor and a cal scout can get 450 shield? 363 armor HP from 3 enhanced plates, most Gallente suits runs with at least 1 armor repairer and barely anybody uses complex plates this is just the extreme case people use so they can call armor OP. 290.4 shield HP from 4 complex shield extenders. For the Federation!

TBdaBoss ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 37	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:41:00 - [21] - Quote No scout should ever need more than 400 eHP. Ever. WE WERE GODS ONCE
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 173	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:43:00 - [22] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: xSir Campsalotx wrote: gallente scout can get close to what 750 armor and a cal scout can get 450 shield? 363 armor HP from 3 enhanced plates, most Gallente suits runs with at least 1 armor repairer and barely anybody uses complex plates this is just the extreme case people use so they can call armor OP. 290.4 shield HP from 4 complex shield extenders. i was counting total hp not just gained hp G0DS AM0NG MEN Director 1.8 is going to be Heavy 514 they said... Looking around all I see are twig men
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 623	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:50:00 - [23] - Quote I run all sorts of scout builds and yes some are brick tanked because that's sometimes what the fight calls for. Mostly I'm running 230/200 cal hunting down other scouts and heavies but in a good squad ill go lower to increase range or sometimes ill abandon the percision for more hp if I'm losing 1v1s or what not. Anyone bitching about other people's build is the scrub. Brick tankers sacrifice something, make a build to counter that. Oh wait, most folks bitching are meds and heavies who have always just brick tanked so they have no ability to think out of the box... Ironic
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 235	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:55:00 - [24] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: I run all sorts of scout builds and yes some are brick tanked because that's sometimes what the fight calls for. Mostly I'm running 230/200 cal hunting down other scouts and heavies but in a good squad ill go lower to increase range or sometimes ill abandon the percision for more hp if I'm losing 1v1s or what not. Anyone bitching about other people's build is the scrub. Brick tankers sacrifice something, make a build to counter that. Oh wait, most folks bitching are meds and heavies who have always just brick tanked so they have no ability to think out of the box... Ironic Do you not understand that were saying that scouts having that much hp interferes with assault and yes I am an assault.... I'm also a heavy a scout a logi a tanker I'm not just walking around bitching I know what I'm talking about. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1554	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:58:00 - [25] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Should we have a certain hp on both armor and sheild that a scout cant pass? Because when I was in my caldari scout i shot at a gal scout he turned around and cut me down with his sg he still had 535 armor left. You guys are being silly... If a scout wants to stack plates, they are only able to perform very limited tasks... Are extremely vulnerable and given up its main asset... speed... for just 300 health... Its not a trade off anyone would make bar a few isolated uses. Not only that but no matter how the scout stacks their health they will still be inferior to a good assault... a similar skilled Gallente Assault... 900 Armor.. rifle bonus.. 3 high slots... trumps an armor tanked gal scout.. Every time. Kinda like a BPO heavy meeting a real heavy... The imposter get's sat down at the kiddie table.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2282	Posted - 2014.03.29 13:05:00 - [26] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: xSir Campsalotx wrote: gallente scout can get close to what 750 armor and a cal scout can get 450 shield? 363 armor HP from 3 enhanced plates, most Gallente suits runs with at least 1 armor repairer and barely anybody uses complex plates this is just the extreme case people use so they can call armor OP. 290.4 shield HP from 4 complex shield extenders. i was counting total hp not just gained hp ok so + 130 to 363 = 493 HP to armor 290.4 + 130 = 420.4 HP to shields For the Federation!
Yan Darn Science For Death 435	Posted - 2014.03.29 13:15:00 - [27] - Quote Bethhy wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Should we have a certain hp on both armor and sheild that a scout cant pass? Because when I was in my caldari scout i shot at a gal scout he turned around and cut me down with his sg he still had 535 armor left. You guys are being silly... If a scout wants to stack plates, they are only able to perform very limited tasks... Are extremely vulnerable and given up its main asset... speed... for just 300 health... Its not a trade off anyone would make bar a few isolated uses. Not only that but no matter how the scout stacks their health they will still be inferior to a good assault... a similar skilled Gallente Assault... 900 Armor.. rifle bonus.. 3 high slots... trumps an armor tanked gal scout.. Every time. A Kincat Shotgun scout however? Kinda like a BPO heavy meeting a real heavy... The imposter get's sat down at the kiddie table. They seem to cause great amount of QQ though - for the most part it's the Gal scout that benefits most/loses the least by brick tanking. They still have the dampening and intel boost and 2 equips. I'd argue the gal-assault overall is a little UP in comparison (In fairness, I've never played anything but scout, so it's hard for me to comment). To me that is because regular armour plating is a little unbalanced. If scouts were only using shield mods, ferroscales and reactives you wouldn't see this QQ. Same with brick tank logis. Same with Brick tank anything to some extent. However since scouts are so..."popular" right now, some people talk as if its a scout only problem. This community sometimes seems to have a very short and selective memory... The Ghost of Bravo
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1554	Posted - 2014.03.29 13:23:00 - [28] - Quote Yan Darn wrote: Bethhy wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Should we have a certain hp on both armor and sheild that a scout cant pass? Because when I was in my caldari scout i shot at a gal scout he turned around and cut me down with his sg he still had 535 armor left. You guys are being silly... If a scout wants to stack plates, they are only able to perform very limited tasks... Are extremely vulnerable and given up its main asset... speed... for just 300 health... Its not a trade off anyone would make bar a few isolated uses. Not only that but no matter how the scout stacks their health they will still be inferior to a good assault... a similar skilled Gallente Assault... 900 Armor.. rifle bonus.. 3 high slots... trumps an armor tanked gal scout.. Every time. A Kincat Shotgun scout however? Kinda like a BPO heavy meeting a real heavy... The imposter get's sat down at the kiddie table. They seem to cause great amount of QQ though - for the most part it's the Gal scout that benefits most/loses the least by brick tanking. They still have the dampening and intel boost and 2 equips. I'd argue the gal-assault overall is a little UP in comparison (In fairness, I've never played anything but scout, so it's hard for me to comment). To me that is because regular armour plating is a little unbalanced. If scouts were only using shield mods, ferroscales and reactives you wouldn't see this QQ. Same with brick tank logis. Same with Brick tank anything to some extent. However since scouts are so..."popular" right now, some people talk as if its a scout only problem. This community sometimes seems to have a very short and selective memory... If the gal scout was the best at the role they are crying about then sure... But it isn't true... Two Equally skilled players.. One wearing a Gal scout One wearing a Gal Assault... and you start a player 1vs1 duel, spawning the 2 players on either side of a open field normally... The Gal Assault should win everytime... with range and damage and tank over the scout there is no advantage a scout has over the Assault... Other then sneaking up and trying to get the first shots off... The entire advantage of a scout is speed(Which is gone when plated) and staying off the radar... You could repeat this scenario with every race... Amarr to Amarr.. etc... And each race has their niche on the battlefield through parity changes which gives them all their own strength's and weaknesses.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1745	Posted - 2014.03.29 13:23:00 - [29] - Quote My GalScout can reach a total 989 eHP (lol). However, it's stupid and no one should ever build a Scout that way. If there are any stupid enough to do so, they deserve a kick in the groin.
Yeeeuuuupppp 201	Posted - 2014.03.29 13:38:00 - [30] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: gallente scout can get close to what 750 armor and a cal scout can get 450 shield? 4 complex plates gets you 750 but the speed penalty isn't worth it CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9" I really want the templar set Feel the wrath of my troll



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