DUST Search - Genuine question - Should I switch to FOTM??

al nize mk2 wrote:

NAV HIV wrote:

First of all please define FOTM... How is a 400-500 HP scout be a FOTM ?! Just cause someone doesn't have it ?! These scouts drop as soon as they make the slightest mistake...ie: Running too fast other than sneaking in, charging someone with a rifle instead of a SG and so many other things. As soon as CCP fixes the Bugs with the cloak it'll be all fine. People here always cry about things that they didn't spec into. not saying that you are crying... But adding one more Scout Thread on top of all the existing threads would only make you look like a crybaby

Honor ?! What does honor have to do with using an Item that's there to use and people actually spec into it... Not like scouts get a free proto CLOAK!!!

People in this forum !!!!

I take your points but i'm a confirmed crybaby and never pretended otherwise Smile

Started late - just trying to catch up the best way I can. Apologies if the Scout threads are bringing you down but it's an issue - that seems pretty obvious. I do defintiely agree with the philosoophy that you should adapt to survive - which is why I'm considering changing class. Honour is relevant - jumping on an exploit does give me pause. I like DUST because it feels like these ephemeral things matter far more than any other game I've played. Sincerely that's what I think!

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al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 50	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:53:00 - [1] - Quote Average player - 10m SP - haven't used the respec yet. As I've only every experienced this one patch I'm obviously on a moan about the change in tactics. As an Assault player I feel like I've been cast into the wilderness a bit and normally I run militia stuff to stay ISK positive. So i'm embarassing myself on a game by game basis basically - when I was making progress before the patch. On the forums it seems a question of honour to NOT go FOTM just because you're getting burned by the spammers. But frankly - why should I suffer?? Should I be speccing into Scout Class and joining in the fun or, in your experience, are these Scouts going to get smacked down in the near future... Questions... questions... GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3371	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:03:00 - [2] - Quote Everything will eventually get ****** with - somehow, some way. At 10,000,000 SP I'd do it. By the time they nerf it, you can have enough SP to go to the next one . There are no knee jerk reactions here. These nerfs take months to roll out and you may as well spec into something you can be immediately successful with to retain long-term interest in the game. Do you play for WP, KDR, or fun (or some other measure)? Follow whatever that is. I GÖú Kittens.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2249	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:07:00 - [3] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Average player - 10m SP - haven't used the respec yet. As I've only every experienced this one patch I'm obviously on a moan about the change in tactics. As an Assault player I feel like I've been cast into the wilderness a bit and normally I run militia stuff to stay ISK positive. So i'm embarassing myself on a game by game basis basically - when I was making progress before the patch. On the forums it seems a question of honour to NOT go FOTM just because you're getting burned by the spammers. But frankly - why should I suffer?? Should I be speccing into Scout Class and joining in the fun or, in your experience, are these Scouts going to get smacked down in the near future... Questions... questions... mhmm, if you are a low sp player it's good for you to create a second and third account with passive sp, use these characters to test stuff before you try them on your main, in my case I just have so much sp I don't care, but that is the best method to start out with.
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 50	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:31:00 - [4] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Do you play for WP, KDR, or fun (or some other measure)? Follow whatever that is. I play for all three - I really appreciate your advice. I feel like I'm going to abandon assaults any second now... GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 190	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:32:00 - [5] - Quote There are plenty of different reason to select a style/frame/fit, but what other people consider OP/UP shouldn't be one of the criteria. Run what you enjoy. If you have a munchkin streak in you, go ahead run the FOTM. If you're the FPS version of a hipster, run something obscure and tell me that I wouldn't understand. Depending on what end of the assault spectrum you fall on, I would suggest either a tanked scout or commando. If you like to have speed, versatility and good flanking ability, run a tanked scout. If you prefer firepower and the ability to absorb punishment, go commando. Overcoming obstacles that you place in your own path (like selecting sub-optimal frames/fittings) can be fun, but it doesn't provide a legitimate platform to criticize others who want to be as effective as possible and make choices accordingly. Cheers, Aramis
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 50	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:33:00 - [6] - Quote calisk galern wrote: mhmm, if you are a low sp player it's good for you to create a second and third account with passive sp, use these characters to test stuff before you try them on your main, in my case I just have so much sp I don't care, but that is the best method to start out with. A trial run would be ideal - I guess the whole respec thing made me wonder if it was worth just forgetting about assaults. Thing is I have the suspicion the moment I ditch Assault class will be the moment I start reading "Hey guess what Assault is FOTM!" GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 50	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:36:00 - [7] - Quote Aramis Madrigal wrote: There are plenty of different reason to select a style/frame/fit, but what other people consider OP/UP shouldn't be one of the criteria. Run what you enjoy. If you have a munchkin streak in you, go ahead run the FOTM. If you're the FPS version of a hipster, run something obscure and tell me that I wouldn't understand. Depending on what end of the assault spectrum you fall on, I would suggest either a tanked scout or commando. If you like to have speed, versatility and good flanking ability, run a tanked scout. If you prefer firepower and the ability to absorb punishment, go commando. Overcoming obstacles that you place in your own path (like selecting sub-optimal frames/fittings) can be fun, but it doesn't provide a legitimate platform to criticize others who want to be as effective as possible and make choices accordingly. Cheers, Aramis Okay, wise words. I have been hating on Scouts all day long after a bunch of frustrating failures on my part.. But I see the logic in their decisions. Still completely irritated that I biomassed a perfectly good scout when I thought I'd specced up all wrong. Turns out it would have been pretty useful to have that character hanging around still.. It's true what they say in - in the EVE universe you really need to think about every decision you make. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Jadd Hatchen The Phoenix Federation 417	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:38:00 - [8] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Average player - 10m SP - haven't used the respec yet. As I've only ever experienced this one patch I'm obviously on a moan about the change in tactics. As an Assault player I feel like I've been cast into the wilderness a bit and normally I run militia stuff to stay ISK positive. So i'm embarassing myself on a game by game basis basically - when I was making progress before the patch. On the forums it seems a question of honour to NOT go FOTM just because you're getting burned by the spammers. But frankly - why should I suffer?? Should I be speccing into Scout Class and joining in the fun or, in your experience, are these Scouts going to get smacked down in the near future... Questions... questions... The answer is to do what is fun for YOU. Not what is fun for others. In the end if the game is no fun you will stop playing it and then this question becomes moot. Play what you like, not what people tell you to.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 326	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:45:00 - [9] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: why should I suffer?? Should I be speccing into Scout Class and joining in the fun or, in your experience, are these Scouts going to get smacked down in the near future... Questions... questions... my point exactly in another post- you shouldn't gimp yourself just to be different. i did it for 9 months and no one gave a crap. no one pinned a medal on me for being unique with a gimped minmatar assault/MD. I had always wanted to go scout. but i didn't like the low survivabilty. now i've gone scout on a passive alt, it's not the cloak i'm addicted to but i do use it to regen my armor and stamina. i am addicted to the speed and radar intel, it's totally what my style requires. i dont even bother joining squads atm because of the amount of toxic a-holes either bitter because they dont know how to fight scouts or they are an older scout with a grudge against the new ones. i hated the ground game for the last 6 months, now i play all 3 modes i'm so happy with it. i run the basic cloak unless i have an AV fit i run enhanced. i run the basic to prepare myself for a nerf and the basic cloak ups your game, it makes you play better to not rely on such a long cloak. now that i've got scout i haven't seriously flown dropships in 3 days, i found myself single handedly defending a point i was like there's no way i can go back now to a different infantry, sorry to be a FOTM but i'm a scout for life now. do what you want man, it's your game and you will end up regretting it if you let others dictate the way you play it. what i suggest is make a new alt for academy, you can fit a cloak on a minmatar scout in there. the academy is somewhat of a microcosm of when things are going right in a regular match and you can test if you like cloak or not on a minscout before committing. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1248	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:50:00 - [10] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Average player - 10m SP - haven't used the respec yet. As I've only ever experienced this one patch I'm obviously on a moan about the change in tactics. As an Assault player I feel like I've been cast into the wilderness a bit and normally I run militia stuff to stay ISK positive. So i'm embarassing myself on a game by game basis basically - when I was making progress before the patch. On the forums it seems a question of honour to NOT go FOTM just because you're getting burned by the spammers. But frankly - why should I suffer?? Should I be speccing into Scout Class and joining in the fun or, in your experience, are these Scouts going to get smacked down in the near future... Questions... questions... First of all please define FOTM... How is a 400-500 HP scout be a FOTM ?! Just cause someone doesn't have it ?! These scouts drop as soon as they make the slightest mistake...ie: Running too fast other than sneaking in, charging someone with a rifle instead of a SG and so many other things. As soon as CCP fixes the Bugs with the cloak it'll be all fine. People here always cry about things that they didn't spec into. not saying that you are crying... But adding one more Scout Thread on top of all the existing threads would only make you look like a crybaby Honor ?! What does honor have to do with using an Item that's there to use and people actually spec into it... Not like scouts get a free proto CLOAK!!! People in this forum !!!!

Aszazel Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 141	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:00:00 - [11] - Quote I'll tell you this, I have started this game as a scout and to be an effective scout, I hope your 10 mil is in exactly what you need to be able to play as a scout. Armor and shield to 5 in core skills is not as important as dampening, precision, range, kin kats, cardio, and hacking. Even if you plan on playing as an assault scout; if you don't have those skills at least to 3, I wouldn't go into scout cause you are going to get slaughtered by people who had to learn the hard way to scout and we have a much better sense of how to play them than most of the FoTM peeps. The only thing the cloak brings to the table is to take time away from hunting targets and getting unexpectedly killed because you 'thought' someone couldn't see you. Most of the vet players can see right through it, even when you standing still. That's not to say the cloak doesn't have its merits. You can hide from tanks and do a couple other things. But scouts life is a hard life sometimes; you have the HP to make many mistakes, especially if you are going to run militia gear to stay ISK positive, also the cloak is like 3.5K alone so it will be the most expensive suit you could run.
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 51	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:02:00 - [12] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: First of all please define FOTM... How is a 400-500 HP scout be a FOTM ?! Just cause someone doesn't have it ?! These scouts drop as soon as they make the slightest mistake...ie: Running too fast other than sneaking in, charging someone with a rifle instead of a SG and so many other things. As soon as CCP fixes the Bugs with the cloak it'll be all fine. People here always cry about things that they didn't spec into. not saying that you are crying... But adding one more Scout Thread on top of all the existing threads would only make you look like a crybaby Honor ?! What does honor have to do with using an Item that's there to use and people actually spec into it... Not like scouts get a free proto CLOAK!!! People in this forum !!!! I take your points but i'm a confirmed crybaby and never pretended otherwise Started late - just trying to catch up the best way I can. Apologies if the Scout threads are bringing you down but it's an issue - that seems pretty obvious. I do defintiely agree with the philosoophy that you should adapt to survive - which is why I'm considering changing class. Honour is relevant - jumping on an exploit does give me pause. I like DUST because it feels like these ephemeral things matter far more than any other game I've played. Sincerely that's what I think! GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3805	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:04:00 - [13] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Average player - 10m SP - haven't used the respec yet. As I've only ever experienced this one patch I'm obviously on a moan about the change in tactics. As an Assault player I feel like I've been cast into the wilderness a bit and normally I run militia stuff to stay ISK positive. So i'm embarassing myself on a game by game basis basically - when I was making progress before the patch. On the forums it seems a question of honour to NOT go FOTM just because you're getting burned by the spammers. But frankly - why should I suffer?? Should I be speccing into Scout Class and joining in the fun or, in your experience, are these Scouts going to get smacked down in the near future... Questions... questions... Never Spec FOTM Pick a suit you like and get good with it. Stick with the suit. You will be better off without having to respec roles after every major patch. Also: al nize mk2 wrote: are these Scouts going to get smacked down in the near future... They better not. I've been waiting for Dev hugs for almost 8 months. I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 51	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:06:00 - [14] - Quote Aszazel wrote: I'll tell you this, I have started this game as a scout and to be an effective scout, I hope your 10 mil is in exactly what you need to be able to play as a scout. Armor and shield to 5 in core skills is not as important as dampening, precision, range, kin kats, cardio, and hacking. Even if you plan on playing as an assault scout; if you don't have those skills at least to 3, I wouldn't go into scout cause you are going to get slaughtered by people who had to learn the hard way to scout and we have a much better sense of how to play them than most of the FoTM peeps. The only thing the cloak brings to the table is to take time away from hunting targets and getting unexpectedly killed because you 'thought' someone couldn't see you. Most of the vet players can see right through it, even when you standing still. That's not to say the cloak doesn't have its merits. You can hide from tanks and do a couple other things. But scouts life is a hard life sometimes; you have the HP to make many mistakes, especially if you are going to run militia gear to stay ISK positive, also the cloak is like 3.5K alone so it will be the most expensive suit you could run. Thank you - and the answer to your first question is no. I have not skilled into the right areas so your advice is very helpful. I'm on the fence at the moment - I like finding new tactics as an Assault - but I want what the Scouts have... GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1248	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:06:00 - [15] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: NAV HIV wrote: First of all please define FOTM... How is a 400-500 HP scout be a FOTM ?! Just cause someone doesn't have it ?! These scouts drop as soon as they make the slightest mistake...ie: Running too fast other than sneaking in, charging someone with a rifle instead of a SG and so many other things. As soon as CCP fixes the Bugs with the cloak it'll be all fine. People here always cry about things that they didn't spec into. not saying that you are crying... But adding one more Scout Thread on top of all the existing threads would only make you look like a crybaby Honor ?! What does honor have to do with using an Item that's there to use and people actually spec into it... Not like scouts get a free proto CLOAK!!! People in this forum !!!! I take your points but i'm a confirmed crybaby and never pretended otherwise Started late - just trying to catch up the best way I can. Apologies if the Scout threads are bringing you down but it's an issue - that seems pretty obvious. I do defintiely agree with the philosoophy that you should adapt to survive - which is why I'm considering changing class. Honour is relevant - jumping on an exploit does give me pause. I like DUST because it feels like these ephemeral things matter far more than any other game I've played. Sincerely that's what I think! I stick to my playstyle... If there is a cloak there is a counter too it... My proto Cal scout is only 400+ ehp, i don't know how to shoot through the cloak.... Would be interesting to know that and try it out... CCP needs to fix the glitch for it be used properly. Other than that, you are only in trouble when there are 3-5 cloaked scouts lol
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 327	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:17:00 - [16] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: NAV HIV wrote: First of all please define FOTM... How is a 400-500 HP scout be a FOTM ?! Just cause someone doesn't have it ?! These scouts drop as soon as they make the slightest mistake...ie: Running too fast other than sneaking in, charging someone with a rifle instead of a SG and so many other things. As soon as CCP fixes the Bugs with the cloak it'll be all fine. People here always cry about things that they didn't spec into. not saying that you are crying... But adding one more Scout Thread on top of all the existing threads would only make you look like a crybaby Honor ?! What does honor have to do with using an Item that's there to use and people actually spec into it... Not like scouts get a free proto CLOAK!!! People in this forum !!!! I take your points but i'm a confirmed crybaby and never pretended otherwise Started late - just trying to catch up the best way I can. Apologies if the Scout threads are bringing you down but it's an issue - that seems pretty obvious. I do defintiely agree with the philosoophy that you should adapt to survive - which is why I'm considering changing class. Honour is relevant - jumping on an exploit does give me pause. I like DUST because it feels like these ephemeral things matter far more than any other game I've played. Sincerely that's what I think! there is no exploit outside of some dumb perceptions, except i guess some ppl figure out a way to shoot while stealthed. that will probably be fixed. i've never tried it or saw a reason to. it's not the players fault for CCP failing the assault suit, CCP creates the FOTMs the players naturally want to be effective so they skill into them. i personally was tired of being sluggish and radar blind and detectable outside my LAV. but how can there be a FOTM when tanks, ADS, heavies and scouts are supposedly FOTM- there cant be more than one so what that means is it's almost balanced except for assault. assault needs a gadget to make it appealing like a jetpack or something unique. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Aszazel Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 141	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:17:00 - [17] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Thank you - and the answer to your first question is no. I have not skilled into the right areas so your advice is very helpful. I'm on the fence at the moment - I like finding new tactics as an Assault - but I want what the Scouts have... You're welcome, if you want a taste of scouts though; I'd recommend getting a medium frame and running double precision enhancers and range amp. You shouldn't care about dampening, but seeing everyone out to 50 meters that isn't a Gal Scout would be an excellent balance. I'd choose caladari or min and use double advanced or proto enhancers. Min will give you the speed of a scout. I used to run min starter fits until I realized that scouts were faster, it becomes addictive. Unfortunately, precision, range amp, and dampening are the 3 skills that you cannot buy complex when you get to 3 with AU. So itGÇÖs the long road for everyone. However, that way, after you get them you can dip into scouts later because you started doing the ground work. Also, if you want to run a logi slayer they have lower precision so you donGÇÖt have to use as many precision mods.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1937	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:19:00 - [18] - Quote Perhaps not FOTM. But a cookie cutter build makes this game so much better. Dont try anything different, you will just fail. Logi best all round suit for so many patches. Drop it like its hat. I´m a fat scout. Do you even lift bro?
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 51	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:21:00 - [19] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: there is no exploit outside of some dumb perceptions, except i guess some ppl figure out a way to shoot while stealthed. that will probably be fixed. i've never tried it or saw a reason to. it's not the players fault for CCP failing the assault suit, CCP creates the FOTMs the players naturally want to be effective so they skill into them. i personally was tired of being sluggish and radar blind and detectable outside my LAV. but how can there be a FOTM when tanks, ADS, heavies and scouts are supposedly FOTM- there cant be more than one so what that means is it's almost balanced except for assault. assault needs a gadget to make it appealing like a jetpack or something unique. Assault Jetpacks... On this we meet right in the middle! GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2013	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:21:00 - [20] - Quote It's a game, do what you think would be the most fun. For me, that just happened to be Gallente Scout. I've been running it since 1.2 (when I joined).



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