DUST Search - Lets fix cloaks

Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

Paran Tadec wrote:

Pick one:

1. Cooldown after deactivation
2. Offensive use capibilities delayed after deactivation
3. Decrease in uptime

None of these, but make cloaked scouts as visible when stationary as when moving.

Not necessary my friend, Its actually hard enough to stay completely still in a fight. Cloak users havent really mastered activating and completely being still. Also the idea of being still and being completely visible adds a level of tension to the meta that is quite enjoyable.

I was in this one fight that i was aware i would lose cause it was against a heavy. I cloaked up and JUST BARELY manage to flee. but he was still shooting wildly so I didn't have many options to escape without the possibility of his stray bullets killing me. I had no choice but to duck behind a crate and pray he didn't find me. The anxiety i experienced watching him coming RIGHT at me was something I hadn't experienced in a FPS for awhile. Also, the fact that he actually did walk right by me, allowing me to slip away and heal made me realize that this game just got more interesting.

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MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 402	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:59:00 - [31] - Quote I'd support a slight (.3 - .4 second) delay before being able to fire after decloaking... It's mostly a problem with the shotgun, though I've seen practically EVERY scout running a shotgun right now, which is affecting would-be-assaults pretty badly, because they're getting bodied by things they cannot see, before they have time to react to them.
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 2079	Posted - 2014.03.27 17:59:00 - [32] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Pick one: 1. Cooldown after deactivation 2. Offensive use capibilities delayed after deactivation 3. Decrease in uptime None of these, but make cloaked scouts as visible when stationary as when moving. No. All 3 suggestions are reasonable on their own. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Pr0phetzReck0ning KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Lokun Listamenn 167	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:00:00 - [33] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: I'd say, for my picks: * Instant cloak deactivation * Fix the infinite cloak glitch (hacking something than swapping to a weapon so you can shoot while cloaked) * decrease visibility while slowly moving * decrease cloak time (80 seconds on a Basic model? What for?!) 80 seconds is for Proto... not Basic.... Basic is 30 Adv is 60 and proto is 80
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7681	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:03:00 - [34] - Quote The animation alone needs fixing. The animation just takes too long to finish before I can attack. Also, that hack-cloak glitch needs fixing as well. Beyond that, I don't see a problem with the cloak. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 2079	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:03:00 - [35] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: mollerz wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: mollerz wrote: We'll have to go with number 4- None of the above. And don't forget the most important of all, number 5- Paran has to learn to use their OP eyeballs and adapt. Scrubmuch? Can you even kill anyone with out cloak? Thousands upon thousands. With knives.. I've killed no one with a cloak, however. Paran, here is a list of scouts who don't need a cloak to kill you... Don't have a problem with a true scout shot gunning me from behind. Just fotm chasing scrubs who are abusing ccps poor implementation to pretend they are good. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7817	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:04:00 - [36] - Quote Denn Maell and Prophet, can you please edit your posts to reduce exposure to exploits? Amarr Victor
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 207	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:04:00 - [37] - Quote Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote: Denn Maell wrote: I'd say, for my picks: * Instant cloak deactivation * Fix the infinite cloak glitch (hacking something than swapping to a weapon so you can shoot while cloaked) * decrease visibility while slowly moving * decrease cloak time (80 seconds on a Basic model? What for?!) 80 seconds is for Proto... not Basic.... Basic is 30 Adv is 60 and proto is 80 You're sure? lol that was a long 30 seconds, then. The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1398	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:06:00 - [38] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: unload a shotgun and recloak before the previous uncloaking animation has finished? LOL. Have you even played the game? How long do you think the animation takes? If you're experiencing that much slowdown on your PS3, then I'd suggest you have it brought to an authorized repair center. he's new.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 930	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:17:00 - [39] - Quote Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Pick one: 1. Cooldown after deactivation 2. Offensive use capibilities delayed after deactivation 3. Decrease in uptime None of these, but make cloaked scouts as visible when stationary as when moving. Not necessary my friend, Its actually hard enough to stay completely still in a fight. Cloak users havent really mastered activating and completely being still. Also the idea of being still and being completely visible adds a level of tension to the meta that is quite enjoyable. I was in this one fight that i was aware i would lose cause it was against a heavy. I cloaked up and JUST BARELY manage to flee. but he was still shooting wildly so I didn't have many options to escape without the possibility of his stray bullets killing me. I had no choice but to duck behind a crate and pray he didn't find me. The anxiety i experienced watching him coming RIGHT at me was something I hadn't experienced in a FPS for awhile. Also, the fact that he actually did walk right by me, allowing me to slip away and heal made me realize that this game just got more interesting. The problem is that the current mechanics promote camping and punish movement, which is the opposite of what the fastest suit in the game should be about. I've racked up 300 kills with the gallente scout in 1.8 and apart from when I'm hacking or sitting on nanohives I've always been on the move when I'm cloaked. That's what scouts should be doing, not camping an objective with a shotgun.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11833	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:18:00 - [40] - Quote Scouts having medframe levels of HP and being able to fire a shotgun immediately for gigantic alpha on decloaking with zero delay is broken. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.

Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 1030	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:20:00 - [41] - Quote Cloaks need a nerf and a buff. 1. they need less shimmer. Currently we are at full shimmer at a half walking spped. This is too much. moving with little to no shimmer should be a viable tactic. We could tie this to the skill (5% reduced shimmer per level, for instance) 2. they need their uptime and cooldowns switched. 30 seconds up with 60 seconds cooldown. currently it's too easy to run the cloak constantly. Best PVE idea I've seen. Fixed link.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1226	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:23:00 - [42] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Cloaks need a nerf and a buff. 1. they need less shimmer. Currently we are at full shimmer at a half walking spped. This is too much. moving with little to no shimmer should be a viable tactic. We could tie this to the skill (5% reduced shimmer per level, for instance) 2. they need their uptime and cooldowns switched. 30 seconds up with 60 seconds cooldown. currently it's too easy to run the cloak constantly. Then people WOULD assault scout and then corner camp for a minuet It's better as it is now.
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1270	Posted - 2014.03.27 18:26:00 - [43] - Quote 4 - taking damage while cloaked decloaks you with some penalty delay before re-cloaking (perhaps 5 secs). 5 - very brief firing delay after decloaking (0.5 secs) Best PvE idea ever!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11844	Posted - 2014.03.27 19:58:00 - [44] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Cloaks need a nerf and a buff. 1. they need less shimmer. Currently we are at full shimmer at a half walking spped. This is too much. moving with little to no shimmer should be a viable tactic. We could tie this to the skill (5% reduced shimmer per level, for instance) 2. they need their uptime and cooldowns switched. 30 seconds up with 60 seconds cooldown. currently it's too easy to run the cloak constantly. It should not be possible for you to fire instantly on coming out of cloak, either. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1524	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:02:00 - [45] - Quote The animation needs to be fixed... As amusing as it is. If your Crouch walking you should be Full cloaked... Otherwise shimmer is good. The more FPS players who haven't played with a cloaking mechanic in a FPS game, play with it... the more obvious and familiar it will become. Those from Crysis... are already picking it out like a sore thumb.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 442	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:06:00 - [46] - Quote One problem is that the standard cloak to powerful... The timers that is Dam I just start over The timers on the cloaks are to long and the recharge to fast. There is little point in going above standard and no point whatsoever to go over advanced. So both the duration and recharge need to be tuned downed across the tiers. Regards War never changes
jerrmy12 kahoalii 736	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:09:00 - [47] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: One problem is that the standard cloak to powerful... The timers that is Dam I just start over The timers on the cloaks are to long and the recharge to fast. There is little point in going above standard and no point whatsoever to go over advanced. So both the duration and recharge need to be tuned downed across the tiers. Regards Umm, no Dont nerf adv and proto Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2018	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:10:00 - [48] - Quote Set cloak time to 0 if shot while cloaked. This is all I'd like.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3828	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:11:00 - [49] - Quote mollerz wrote: We'll have to go with number 4- None of the above. And don't forget the most important of all, number 5- Paran has to learn to use their OP eyeballs and adapt. This. I have no trouble seeing cloaked scouts. IF I am looking for them. I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 442	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:14:00 - [50] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: One problem is that the standard cloak to powerful... The timers that is Dam I just start over The timers on the cloaks are to long and the recharge to fast. There is little point in going above standard and no point whatsoever to go over advanced. So both the duration and recharge need to be tuned downed across the tiers. Regards Umm, no Dont nerf adv and proto I disagree the proto should be where the advanced is now. The advanced somewhere in between the current standard and advanced and FINALY the standard should be halved from what's its now. War never changes

Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 730	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:14:00 - [51] - Quote What about this for cloaks--even though I think they're in a good place: Being hit by a flux grenade decloaks you and empties the reserve power, but it starts recharging immediately. That'd necessarily add a delay to recloak (since you can't recloak until filled halfway UNLESS this restriction was removed due to the cloak being affected by flux grenades), but then if it affects your shields, too, then you're sort of being hit by a double attack. If anything, maybe it'd just clear the cloak but leave your shields (your cloak "took the blast") or there'd have to be other balance considerations. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
jerrmy12 kahoalii 737	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:16:00 - [52] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: One problem is that the standard cloak to powerful... The timers that is Dam I just start over The timers on the cloaks are to long and the recharge to fast. There is little point in going above standard and no point whatsoever to go over advanced. So both the duration and recharge need to be tuned downed across the tiers. Regards Umm, no Dont nerf adv and proto I disagree the proto should be where the advanced is now. The advanced somewhere in between the current standard and advanced and FINALY the standard should be halved from what's its now. No please I use the proto for being really stealthy and when 5 enemies are near you, plus just scanning for squadmates... Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Onesimus Tarsus Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1738	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:16:00 - [53] - Quote I think that all players should be cloaked permanently. I mean, we'll know they're around somewhere, so our razor-sharp battle senses will carry us through. Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1030	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:18:00 - [54] - Quote Min scout here Me personally I'd be ok with a offensive delay - So long as I can charge my knives quickly In other words, why should my weapon be delayed while a shotgunner blaps everyone without any notice. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Onesimus Tarsus Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1739	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:33:00 - [55] - Quote Turn cloak on, shields go to 0. Turn cloak off, shields repair at normal rate after normal delay. If you don't see me, it's because I'm not where you're looking. I'd rather be unscannable than invisible.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 737	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:34:00 - [56] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Turn cloak on, shields go to 0. Turn cloak off, shields repair at normal rate after normal delay. Hell no Make shields even more useless? Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
DEZKA DIABLO Inner.Hell 535	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:38:00 - [57] - Quote 1. No 2. No 3. No Use percision mods and invest in ewar, all that sp in damage mods and dual tanking messed up ur skill tree now you want to nerf what you don't have a counter for because of how you spent your sp? NOPE! Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
Onesimus Tarsus Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1739	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:38:00 - [58] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Turn cloak on, shields go to 0. Turn cloak off, shields repair at normal rate after normal delay. Hell no Make shields even more useless? Oh, come on. You guys are the unseen silent assassins who one-shot everyone. Who needs shields... Heck, Armor ought to take a small hit too. If you don't see me, it's because I'm not where you're looking. I'd rather be unscannable than invisible.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 738	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:41:00 - [59] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Turn cloak on, shields go to 0. Turn cloak off, shields repair at normal rate after normal delay. Hell no Make shields even more useless? Oh, come on. You guys are the unseen silent assassins who one-shot everyone. Who needs shields... Heck, Armor ought to take a small hit too. Umm yea if im shot at and I dont strafe and a0stuff right away ir take cover im dead, shields don't need any more nerfs. Oh and you cant base that off proto shotguns... Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Onesimus Tarsus Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1739	Posted - 2014.03.27 20:43:00 - [60] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Turn cloak on, shields go to 0. Turn cloak off, shields repair at normal rate after normal delay. Hell no Make shields even more useless? Oh, come on. You guys are the unseen silent assassins who one-shot everyone. Who needs shields... Heck, Armor ought to take a small hit too. Umm yea if im shot at and I dont strafe and a0stuff right away ir take cover im dead, shields don't need any more nerfs. Oh and you cant base that off proto shotguns... Welcome to scouting, enjoy the die. If you don't see me, it's because I'm not where you're looking. I'd rather be unscannable than invisible.



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