DUST Search - Cloak nerf.

Zirzo Valcyn wrote:

Kristoff Atruin wrote:

It really isn't just the permacloak bug that is the problem. Scouts are making logistics suits, which are some of the most expensive in the game, not viable to run. I'll be in the middle of my squad repping someone when I'll notice a shimmer without a blue tag on it. I'll aim, start firing and then...pow...one hit kill from a shotgun (and I run a pretty beefy tank most of the time). Then the scout decloaks, runs 20 feet and cloaks up again. Now if anyone tries to hunt him down, he OHKs them from around a corner and repeats the whole process. Logi players are just being being farmed over and over and over.

I'm seriously considering putting down my rep tool and joining the scout herd, because it's the only way I'll ever get any WP in some matches. The first night of 1.8 I thought logis were going to be just fine, now I'm not so sure. I've lost isk hand over fist since day two of this patch. All the WP now belong to scouts and tankers. Can't even keep an uplink alive in some games because at least half of the other team is cloaked scouts.

he's visable while running 20 feet you should have shot him then

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baniel bj 10	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:02:00 - [31] - Quote John Psi wrote: 1.Incoming damage must turn cloak OFF. 2.When cloak module disengaged, he cant activate before module cycle end. 3. Any interaction (point hacking) must turn cloak OFF. upd: Anyway, any module must have re-activation delay. It's not a ammo clip. You **** scrub u are weak the cloak is nonething really Who's op?
baniel bj 10	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:03:00 - [32] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: John Psi wrote: 1.Incoming damage must turn cloak OFF. 2.When cloak module disengaged, he cant activate before module cycle end. upd: Anyway, any module must have re-activation delay. It's not a ammo clip. Get rid of cloaks altogether. They are not required to make scouts competitive, they are a crutch which eliminates stupid scouts from making terrible decisions in gameplay. Blah blah blah scrub Who's op?
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2279	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:05:00 - [33] - Quote The cloak is fine, turn your brightness down they stick out like sore thumbs! Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1239	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:13:00 - [34] - Quote mollerz wrote: Cotsy8 wrote: Get rid of cloaks altogether. They are not required to make scouts competitive, they are a crutch which eliminates stupid scouts from making terrible decisions in gameplay. butthurt alert! Yep :) Theres quite a few people who dont want to adapt They will eventually though
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 454	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:19:00 - [35] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: Get rid of cloaks altogether. They are not required to make scouts competitive, they are a crutch which eliminates stupid scouts from making terrible decisions in gameplay. Correct. ...sorry for bad English =)
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 324	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:21:00 - [36] - Quote I think the only thing that should deactivate the cloak is a flux grenade. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
SgtDoughnut DUST University Ivy League 547	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:21:00 - [37] - Quote The only thing needing done to the cloak is a fix to the bug where you can attack while still being cloaked. Once that is fixed it will be in a damn good place.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1240	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:23:00 - [38] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: I think the only thing that should deactivate the cloak is a flux grenade. I would be fine with that
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 454	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:37:00 - [39] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: The only thing needing done to the cloak is a fix to the bug where you can attack while still being cloaked. Once that is fixed it will be in a damn good place. This is not a subject for discussion, as well as damage caused by bad 4 cloaked mercenary, and 'invulnerability effect' after disengage cloak, was also observed after supply depot refit. ...sorry for bad English =)
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4824	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:41:00 - [40] - Quote No. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦á_a¦á

Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1038	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:43:00 - [41] - Quote No to number 3. That's a huge advantage for the scout and a selling point for the cloak. Besides you know they are there if the point is blinking.,,.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2409	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:45:00 - [42] - Quote John Psi wrote: 1.Incoming damage must turn cloak OFF. 2.When cloak module disengaged, he cant activate before module cycle end. 3.Any interaction (point hacking) must turn cloak OFF. upd: Anyway, any module must have re-activation delay. It's not a ammo clip. 1.) Fluxes? Sure. Any damage? No. 2.) Lolno. 3.) Lolno. Use your eyes, that is only a 1m-¦ area they could be in to be hacking. Get gud. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 454	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:55:00 - [43] - Quote Cloak is a tool to do something for people who can not do anything. As in many cases before, people involved irresponsible ease of use, will cry after this "promotion" is over. Hi, redline tankers =) ...sorry for bad English =)
baniel bj 12	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:56:00 - [44] - Quote John Ps e=SgtDoughnut wrote: The only thing needing done to the cloak is a fix to the bug where you can attack while still being cloaked. Once that is fixed it will be in a damn good place. This is not a subject for discussion, as well as damage caused by bad 4 cloaked mercenary, and 'invulnerability effect' after disengage cloak, was also observed after supply depot refit.[/quote] There's no real problem with the cloak its just the bug. But other then that ur just a weak merc in my eyes, u can catch anyone using a cloak if u ***** pay close attention. U nooooooooooooooooobbbbbbbbb! Who's op?
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 454	Posted - 2014.03.28 00:59:00 - [45] - Quote lol, tiny Shrek ))) ...sorry for bad English =)
Casius Hakoke Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 321	Posted - 2014.03.28 01:04:00 - [46] - Quote Please don't nerf the cloak. Killing people who think they are invisible is so much fun.
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 429	Posted - 2014.03.28 01:05:00 - [47] - Quote from an amarr heavy NOPE NOPE NOPE. ccp you broke the forge. skills are not being applied till 30 secs after spawn fixes before nerfs thank you.
baniel bj 12	Posted - 2014.03.28 01:06:00 - [48] - Quote Casius Hakoke wrote: Please don't nerf the cloak. Killing people who think they are invisible is so much fun. Got that right am a scout and i killed many scouts who thought they was invisible lol. Who's op?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4631	Posted - 2014.03.28 01:27:00 - [49] - Quote Ralden Caster wrote: How about just make flux grenades disable the cloak? This (and the more recent post saying the same thing) are great. John Psi wrote: 1.Incoming damage must turn cloak OFF. 2.When cloak module disengaged, he cant activate before module cycle end. 3.Any interaction (point hacking) must turn cloak OFF. upd: Anyway, any module must have re-activation delay. It's not a ammo clip. This is a terrible idea. If you damage a cloaked Scout, their shield flash is visible, meaning you CAN see them better for a moment, which will help your teammates see them as well. Also, you get hit markers, confirming what your red crosshairs should have already told you if the movement shimmer didn't give the cloaker away already. There is literally no cause for damage to interrupt a cloak when the cloaked target can be picked out in so many ways. And while you can fire basically AS you're decloaking (it's a VERY short window to take the shot), that means your cloak is actually WORTH using. Lastly, if you can't tell someone is hacking a point, go there and figure out where they are when they're blue and shimmery AND your crosshairs light up in the right spot, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. How to ACTUALLY fix cloaks: 1. Make Flux Grenade hits put cloaks onto cooldown. 2. The decloak sound needs to be louder/higher priority or something for everyone other than the cloaked player.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 454	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:40:00 - [50] - Quote No one in this game can not be Harry Potter. Common sense first. Electronic system must be switched OFF before the complete destruction of the mechanical chassis on which it is installed. -á Otherwise, it looks like the car lost a wheel and the motor as a result of the impact, but the paint is not scratched and headlights shine. I do not have problems with the cloaked scouts, I just care about the overall situation in the game. We all know the consequences of mistakes developers - remember the tanks cost less air. ...sorry for bad English =)

Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1986	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:59:00 - [51] - Quote It really isn't just the permacloak bug that is the problem. Scouts are making logistics suits, which are some of the most expensive in the game, not viable to run. I'll be in the middle of my squad repping someone when I'll notice a shimmer without a blue tag on it. I'll aim, start firing and then...pow...one hit kill from a shotgun (and I run a pretty beefy tank most of the time). Then the scout decloaks, runs 20 feet and cloaks up again. Now if anyone tries to hunt him down, he OHKs them from around a corner and repeats the whole process. Logi players are just being being farmed over and over and over. I'm seriously considering putting down my rep tool and joining the scout herd, because it's the only way I'll ever get any WP in some matches. The first night of 1.8 I thought logis were going to be just fine, now I'm not so sure. I've lost isk hand over fist since day two of this patch. All the WP now belong to scouts and tankers. Can't even keep an uplink alive in some games because at least half of the other team is cloaked scouts.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 342	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:02:00 - [52] - Quote flux should cancel cloak it's an EMP blast u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 342	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:03:00 - [53] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: It really isn't just the permacloak bug that is the problem. Scouts are making logistics suits, which are some of the most expensive in the game, not viable to run. I'll be in the middle of my squad repping someone when I'll notice a shimmer without a blue tag on it. I'll aim, start firing and then...pow...one hit kill from a shotgun (and I run a pretty beefy tank most of the time). Then the scout decloaks, runs 20 feet and cloaks up again. Now if anyone tries to hunt him down, he OHKs them from around a corner and repeats the whole process. Logi players are just being being farmed over and over and over. I'm seriously considering putting down my rep tool and joining the scout herd, because it's the only way I'll ever get any WP in some matches. The first night of 1.8 I thought logis were going to be just fine, now I'm not so sure. I've lost isk hand over fist since day two of this patch. All the WP now belong to scouts and tankers. Can't even keep an uplink alive in some games because at least half of the other team is cloaked scouts. he's visable while running 20 feet you should have shot him then u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Jaster J F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 3	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:03:00 - [54] - Quote Im all for decloak upon damage honestly...the other two however i feel would ruin them a bit
Michael Cratar Fenrir's Wolves 306	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:04:00 - [55] - Quote John Psi wrote: 1.Incoming damage must turn cloak OFF. 2.When cloak module disengaged, he cant activate before module cycle end. 3.Any interaction (point hacking) must turn cloak OFF. upd: Anyway, any module must have re-activation delay. It's not a ammo clip. Good god, If people are haveing so much trouble with cloak just use mass drivers. Seriously. The question is not if I can or can not, but who is going to stop me? Closed Beta Vet
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1986	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:14:00 - [56] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: Kristoff Atruin wrote: It really isn't just the permacloak bug that is the problem. Scouts are making logistics suits, which are some of the most expensive in the game, not viable to run. I'll be in the middle of my squad repping someone when I'll notice a shimmer without a blue tag on it. I'll aim, start firing and then...pow...one hit kill from a shotgun (and I run a pretty beefy tank most of the time). Then the scout decloaks, runs 20 feet and cloaks up again. Now if anyone tries to hunt him down, he OHKs them from around a corner and repeats the whole process. Logi players are just being being farmed over and over and over. I'm seriously considering putting down my rep tool and joining the scout herd, because it's the only way I'll ever get any WP in some matches. The first night of 1.8 I thought logis were going to be just fine, now I'm not so sure. I've lost isk hand over fist since day two of this patch. All the WP now belong to scouts and tankers. Can't even keep an uplink alive in some games because at least half of the other team is cloaked scouts. he's visable while running 20 feet you should have shot him then They don't run at the direction that the squad of heavies / assaults are firing in, they come in from the side or behind. I catch them on the side of my screen while I'm checking the flanks, but they're not sprinting so staying on target is hard. Something amplifying this is not having aim assist to lock me onto a hard to see target. They slow to a walk and start stutter stepping, which makes it nearly impossible to get a second shot on them most of the time. I have killed a few, but usually they're so well tanked that after 3 shots with a combat rifle I still haven't touched their armor. Listen, I really don't have a problem with a nearly invisible scout walking up and blowing my head off. What I have a problem with is the utter impunity they can do it with. It doesn't matter how many people are standing around, he'll get around a corner and be gone like a puff of smoke in the wind. This means that guy can farm the logis for an entire match. That role has gone from a way to make piles of isk if you're a smart player to a bonfire you throw isk into. Walking into a fairly tightly grouped up pile of reds and opening fire should be more of a suicide mission, unless you get really lucky. The only defense is another scout with maxed out scan precision.
Jay Westen Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 118	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:31:00 - [57] - Quote John Psi wrote: 1.Incoming damage must turn cloak OFF. 2.When cloak module disengaged, he cant activate before module cycle end. 3.Any interaction (point hacking) must turn cloak OFF. upd: Anyway, any module must have re-activation delay. It's not a ammo clip. I agree with what people are saying with Flux grenades disabling Cloaks, that makes sense. The second one however, I disagree with if you don't time it and have to wait for 50% you can be stuck in the open. And the third, REALLY?! If you don't know where a scout is when they're hacking a point while cloaked... I'm just sorry for you. Here's a tip, THEY'RE IN FRONT OF THE CONSOLE! The one nerf I could get behind is to shotguns, and not even shotguns themselves, I'd increase the resistance to shotguns for Assault, Commandos, and Heavies. Logi's and Scouts should stay the same. Assault/Commandos/Heavies should try to protect their logi's... And well if scouts kill a scout they're doing their damn job. :D
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 454	Posted - 2014.03.29 00:22:00 - [58] - Quote And the third: I do not blame the specific situation on the two square meters abstracted point, I am against crimes against common sense. ...sorry for bad English =)
baniel bj 13	Posted - 2014.03.29 02:37:00 - [59] - Quote Well to bad because it do not need any type of nerfing Who's op?
Selinate deux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 123	Posted - 2014.03.29 02:54:00 - [60] - Quote Can you not drive down the road and see the bright blue flashing lights of the Police (or whatever government force uses blue lights for emergencies for your country) from an incredibly far distance? The shimmer is the same. If you can't see it, you must be blind.



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