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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1164
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 03:39:00 -
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 Math time!
 The bolt pistol has a fire intervel of .4 which means it should have a rof of 150
 However, since you have to charge up the gun before each shot that adds a additional .25s between shots.
 This means its .65s between each shot or 92.3 RPM
 Lets look at the advanced bolt pistol
 The advanced bolt pistol does 141.75 damage per shot
 With these 2 stats you can find the dps
 141.75 x 92.3 = 13083.525
 13083.535/60 = 218.06 DPS
 218.06 DPS...
 Thats terrible, thats even lower than the ion pistol!
 Combine that with the range glitch the bolt pistol has and it makes it even worse!
 I really want this pistol to be good, i mean its a friggin space revolver!
 My recomendation to make the bolt pistol a more balenced weapon is to remove the charge between shots and only require the charge on the first shot just like on the rail rifle and the magsec, this would give it a DPS of 354.38 which is much more in line with the other sidearms.
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        |  Joel II X
 Dah Gods O Bacon
 
 1958
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 03:41:00 -
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 It's Caldari. It already came pre-buffed.
 
 It's the breach Pistol. It's good.
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1164
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 03:43:00 -
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 Joel II X wrote:It's Caldari. It already came pre-buffed.
 It's the breach Pistol. It's good.
 What?
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        |  Espartoi
 Krusual Covert Operators
 Minmatar Republic
 
 144
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 03:44:00 -
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 Great math skills.
 
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        |  Luna Angelo
 We Who Walk Alone
 
 850
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 03:44:00 -
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 It does need a ROF buff, but that;s about it. If you can HIT every shot, you can kill with it.
 
 I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone | 
      
      
        |  Cody Sietz
 Bullet Cluster
 
 2833
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 03:46:00 -
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 It's a bolt pistol, it meant to have a long shot between.
 
 Let me know when it has a 20m optimal.
 
 "I do agree with you there though. shudders"
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1166
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 03:49:00 -
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 Cody Sietz wrote:It's a bolt pistol, it meant to have a long shot between.
 Let me know when it has a 20m optimal.
 Well then buff the damage
 Its DPS is way to low
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1166
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 03:50:00 -
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 Luna Angelo wrote:It does need a ROF buff, but that;s about it. If you can HIT every shot, you can kill with it. Thats true for just about every gun however, and because of the bolt pistols range glitch the magsec kills faster at all ranges.
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1166
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 04:26:00 -
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 Bump
 This needs serious attention
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        |  Lorhak Gannarsein
 Science For Death
 
 2365
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 04:44:00 -
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 I do like the bolt pistol though.
 
 I have noticed the range thing, and it's screwed me over a bit.
 
 ak.0 4 LYFE Large Missile Turrets: the real unicorns of DUST. | 
      
      
        |  Luna Angelo
 We Who Walk Alone
 
 858
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 04:50:00 -
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 The BP IS a fun weapon, if the shots did more damage or the shots were faster, it would also be viable.
 
 I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone | 
      
      
        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1168
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 05:20:00 -
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 Bump for great justice
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1171
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 12:32:00 -
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 Bump 2.0
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        |  Korvin Lomont
 United Pwnage Service
 RISE of LEGION
 
 830
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 12:46:00 -
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 Dexter307 wrote:Math time!The bolt pistol has a fire intervel of .4 which means it should have a rof of 150
 However, since you have to charge up the gun before each shot that adds a additional .25s between shots.
 This means its .65s between each shot or 92.3 RPM
 Lets look at the advanced bolt pistol
 The advanced bolt pistol does 141.75 damage per shot
 With these 2 stats you can find the dps
 141.75 x 92.3 = 13083.525
 13083.535/60 = 218.06 DPS
 218.06 DPS...
 Thats terrible, thats even lower than the ion pistol!
 Combine that with the range glitch the bolt pistol has and it makes it even worse!
 I really want this pistol to be good, i mean its a friggin space revolver!
 My recomendation to make the bolt pistol a more balenced weapon is to remove the charge between shots and only require the charge on the first shot just like on the rail rifle and the magsec, this would give it a DPS of 354.38 which is much more in line with the other sidearms.
 
 This made me wonder because according to the dev blog the Bolt should be Full automatic...so the charge should only be needed when you start firing...
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1181
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 12:59:00 -
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 Korvin Lomont wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Math time!The bolt pistol has a fire intervel of .4 which means it should have a rof of 150
 However, since you have to charge up the gun before each shot that adds a additional .25s between shots.
 This means its .65s between each shot or 92.3 RPM
 Lets look at the advanced bolt pistol
 The advanced bolt pistol does 141.75 damage per shot
 With these 2 stats you can find the dps
 141.75 x 92.3 = 13083.525
 13083.535/60 = 218.06 DPS
 218.06 DPS...
 Thats terrible, thats even lower than the ion pistol!
 Combine that with the range glitch the bolt pistol has and it makes it even worse!
 I really want this pistol to be good, i mean its a friggin space revolver!
 My recomendation to make the bolt pistol a more balenced weapon is to remove the charge between shots and only require the charge on the first shot just like on the rail rifle and the magsec, this would give it a DPS of 354.38 which is much more in line with the other sidearms.
 This made me wonder because according to the dev blog the Bolt should be Full automatic...so the charge should only be needed when you start firing... Yep
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        |  Korvin Lomont
 United Pwnage Service
 RISE of LEGION
 
 832
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:02:00 -
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 Dexter307 wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Math time!The bolt pistol has a fire intervel of .4 which means it should have a rof of 150
 However, since you have to charge up the gun before each shot that adds a additional .25s between shots.
 This means its .65s between each shot or 92.3 RPM
 Lets look at the advanced bolt pistol
 The advanced bolt pistol does 141.75 damage per shot
 With these 2 stats you can find the dps
 141.75 x 92.3 = 13083.525
 13083.535/60 = 218.06 DPS
 218.06 DPS...
 Thats terrible, thats even lower than the ion pistol!
 Combine that with the range glitch the bolt pistol has and it makes it even worse!
 I really want this pistol to be good, i mean its a friggin space revolver!
 My recomendation to make the bolt pistol a more balenced weapon is to remove the charge between shots and only require the charge on the first shot just like on the rail rifle and the magsec, this would give it a DPS of 354.38 which is much more in line with the other sidearms.
 This made me wonder because according to the dev blog the Bolt should be Full automatic...so the charge should only be needed when you start firing... Yep 
 If you have to charge every shot I would call this a bug...I haven't tested the pistols yet, may be I will give them a try tonight and file a bug report...
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        |  Krom Ganesh
 Nos Nothi
 
 1456
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:02:00 -
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 I like the rate of fire to be honest. I would rather each shot did more damage.
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        |  Ripley Riley
 Incorruptibles
 
 1238
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:09:00 -
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 Dexter307 wrote:My recommendation to make the bolt pistol a more balenced weapon is to remove the charge between shots 
 This, please and thank you. Spool up time between shots is throwing my mojo way off.
 
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        |  Jack McReady
 DUST University
 Ivy League
 
 1217
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:24:00 -
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 Dexter307 wrote:Math time!The bolt pistol has a fire intervel of .4 which means it should have a rof of 150
 However, since you have to charge up the gun before each shot that adds a additional .25s between shots.
 This means its .65s between each shot or 92.3 RPM
 Lets look at the advanced bolt pistol
 The advanced bolt pistol does 141.75 damage per shot
 With these 2 stats you can find the dps
 141.75 x 92.3 = 13083.525
 13083.535/60 = 218.06 DPS
 218.06 DPS...
 Thats terrible, thats even lower than the ion pistol!
 Combine that with the range glitch the bolt pistol has and it makes it even worse!
 I really want this pistol to be good, i mean its a friggin space revolver!
 My recomendation to make the bolt pistol a more balenced weapon is to remove the charge between shots and only require the charge on the first shot just like on the rail rifle and the magsec, this would give it a DPS of 354.38 which is much more in line with the other sidearms.
 
 pro tip: hold the trigger
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        |  jerrmy12 kahoalii
 
 694
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:25:00 -
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 Jack McReady wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Math time!The bolt pistol has a fire intervel of .4 which means it should have a rof of 150
 However, since you have to charge up the gun before each shot that adds a additional .25s between shots.
 This means its .65s between each shot or 92.3 RPM
 Lets look at the advanced bolt pistol
 The advanced bolt pistol does 141.75 damage per shot
 With these 2 stats you can find the dps
 141.75 x 92.3 = 13083.525
 13083.535/60 = 218.06 DPS
 218.06 DPS...
 Thats terrible, thats even lower than the ion pistol!
 Combine that with the range glitch the bolt pistol has and it makes it even worse!
 I really want this pistol to be good, i mean its a friggin space revolver!
 My recomendation to make the bolt pistol a more balenced weapon is to remove the charge between shots and only require the charge on the first shot just like on the rail rifle and the magsec, this would give it a DPS of 354.38 which is much more in line with the other sidearms.
 pro tip: hold the trigger You obviously havent used the crap pistol...
 
 Closed beta vet
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        |  thesupertman
 Better Hide R Die
 
 230
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:26:00 -
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 The ion pistol is worse...
 
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        |  jerrmy12 kahoalii
 
 694
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:29:00 -
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 thesupertman wrote:The ion pistol is worse... No it isnt, ive gotten many kikls with it
 I havent gotten a single kill with the bolt pistol...
 
 Closed beta vet
Tears, sweet delicious tears | 
      
      
        |  Jack McReady
 DUST University
 Ivy League
 
 1218
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:35:00 -
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 jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:thesupertman wrote:The ion pistol is worse... No it isnt, ive gotten many kikls with it I havent gotten a single kill with the bolt pistol... judging from this and your other recent posts I can only conclude that you have zero clue
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        |  jerrmy12 kahoalii
 
 696
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:39:00 -
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 Jack McReady wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:thesupertman wrote:The ion pistol is worse... No it isnt, ive gotten many kikls with it I havent gotten a single kill with the bolt pistol... judging from this and your other recent posts I can only conclude that you have zero clue  Ok lol "im a derp I see people who get pissed at the hmg and think I know everything"
 
 Closed beta vet
Tears, sweet delicious tears | 
      
      
        |  Jack McReady
 DUST University
 Ivy League
 
 1218
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:40:00 -
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 jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Jack McReady wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:thesupertman wrote:The ion pistol is worse... No it isnt, ive gotten many kikls with it I havent gotten a single kill with the bolt pistol... judging from this and your other recent posts I can only conclude that you have zero clue  Ok lol "im a derp I see people who get pissed at the hmg and think I know everything" if you try to smack someone down, atleast do it properly.
 
 until then, do yourself a favor and stop posting, you will make yourself look less stupid. all your recent posts where full of scrub crap spit all over the place.
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1185
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:42:00 -
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 Krom Ganesh wrote:I like the rate of fire to be honest. I would rather each shot did more damage. Either way is fine with me
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        |  jerrmy12 kahoalii
 
 696
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:42:00 -
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 Jack McReady wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Jack McReady wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:thesupertman wrote:The ion pistol is worse... No it isnt, ive gotten many kikls with it I havent gotten a single kill with the bolt pistol... judging from this and your other recent posts I can only conclude that you have zero clue  Ok lol "im a derp I see people who get pissed at the hmg and think I know everything" if you try to smack someone down, atleast do it properly. until then, do yourself a favor and stop posting, you will make yourself look less stupid. all your recent posts where full of scrub crap spit all over the place. Oh please the hmg is overpowered as hell
 
 Closed beta vet
Tears, sweet delicious tears | 
      
      
        |  Cat Merc
 Ahrendee Mercenaries
 Dirt Nap Squad.
 
 7772
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:46:00 -
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 It needs a slight buff, but NOT to 350 DPS.
 
 It's like the only weapon that trades DPS for range, the rest at most trade 10 DPS, and sometimes have even more DPS than the low range variants
  The Assault Rifls come to mind when talking about this.
 Plasma Rifle has the lowest range by far, but only marginaly more DPS, sometimes even less, and sometimes much less.
 
 Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1185
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:47:00 -
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 Jack McReady wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Math time!The bolt pistol has a fire intervel of .4 which means it should have a rof of 150
 However, since you have to charge up the gun before each shot that adds a additional .25s between shots.
 This means its .65s between each shot or 92.3 RPM
 Lets look at the advanced bolt pistol
 The advanced bolt pistol does 141.75 damage per shot
 With these 2 stats you can find the dps
 141.75 x 92.3 = 13083.525
 13083.535/60 = 218.06 DPS
 218.06 DPS...
 Thats terrible, thats even lower than the ion pistol!
 Combine that with the range glitch the bolt pistol has and it makes it even worse!
 I really want this pistol to be good, i mean its a friggin space revolver!
 My recomendation to make the bolt pistol a more balenced weapon is to remove the charge between shots and only require the charge on the first shot just like on the rail rifle and the magsec, this would give it a DPS of 354.38 which is much more in line with the other sidearms.
 pro tip: hold the trigger You still have to charge every shot even though it's full auto
 Either remove having to charge every shot or make it semi auto and increase dmg to ~220-230 a shot
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        |  Cat Merc
 Ahrendee Mercenaries
 Dirt Nap Squad.
 
 7772
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:48:00 -
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 BTW, it eats scouts alive!
 
 It is really bad against heavies, can only be used as a finisher on mediums, but damn is it awesome for killing scouts
  
 Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1186
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:49:00 -
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 Cat Merc wrote:It needs a slight buff, but NOT to 350 DPS. It's like the only weapon that trades DPS for range, the rest at most trade 10 DPS, and sometimes have even more DPS than the low range variants   The Assault Rifls come to mind when talking about this. Plasma Rifle has the lowest range by far, but only marginaly more DPS, sometimes even less, and sometimes much less. It's a skill based weapon, missing even a single shot drastically reduces it's TTK so it deserves a higher DPS
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        |  Jack McReady
 DUST University
 Ivy League
 
 1219
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:51:00 -
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 Dexter307 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:It needs a slight buff, but NOT to 350 DPS. It's like the only weapon that trades DPS for range, the rest at most trade 10 DPS, and sometimes have even more DPS than the low range variants   The Assault Rifls come to mind when talking about this. Plasma Rifle has the lowest range by far, but only marginaly more DPS, sometimes even less, and sometimes much less. It's a skill based weapon, missing even a single shot drastically reduces it's TTK so it deserves a higher DPS PLC should be able to two shot tanks according to that logic
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        |  Leadfoot10
 Molon Labe.
 General Tso's Alliance
 
 918
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:52:00 -
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 I tried all the pistols last night. The bolt pistol was first. I gave up three rounds later with one kill with it, and I've yet to see it on the killfeed.
 
 The magsec and ion pistols are much, much better sidearms, IMO.
 
 The charged shot mechanic makes the bolt pistol virtually useless -- as identified by the OP, it simply has too low a DPS to finish off anything but the almost-dead.
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        |  jerrmy12 kahoalii
 
 696
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:53:00 -
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 Jack McReady wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:It needs a slight buff, but NOT to 350 DPS. It's like the only weapon that trades DPS for range, the rest at most trade 10 DPS, and sometimes have even more DPS than the low range variants   The Assault Rifls come to mind when talking about this. Plasma Rifle has the lowest range by far, but only marginaly more DPS, sometimes even less, and sometimes much less. It's a skill based weapon, missing even a single shot drastically reduces it's TTK so it deserves a higher DPS PLC should be able to two shot tanks according to that logic   Exept you can hide indoors from the tank, and the plc has an easier time hitting hit than a bolt pistmol...
 
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        |  Cat Merc
 Ahrendee Mercenaries
 Dirt Nap Squad.
 
 7772
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:55:00 -
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 jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:It needs a slight buff, but NOT to 350 DPS. It's like the only weapon that trades DPS for range, the rest at most trade 10 DPS, and sometimes have even more DPS than the low range variants   The Assault Rifls come to mind when talking about this. Plasma Rifle has the lowest range by far, but only marginaly more DPS, sometimes even less, and sometimes much less. It's a skill based weapon, missing even a single shot drastically reduces it's TTK so it deserves a higher DPS PLC should be able to two shot tanks according to that logic   Exept you can hide indoors from the tank, and the plc has an easier time hitting hit than a bolt pistmol... Maybe if you're 5m away.
 In fact, if you aim at a tank 5m away that is moving, you will miss, because the projectile is that slow.
 
 Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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        |  Cat Merc
 Ahrendee Mercenaries
 Dirt Nap Squad.
 
 7772
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 13:56:00 -
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 Dexter307 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:It needs a slight buff, but NOT to 350 DPS. It's like the only weapon that trades DPS for range, the rest at most trade 10 DPS, and sometimes have even more DPS than the low range variants   The Assault Rifls come to mind when talking about this. Plasma Rifle has the lowest range by far, but only marginaly more DPS, sometimes even less, and sometimes much less. It's a skill based weapon, missing even a single shot drastically reduces it's TTK so it deserves a higher DPS It deserves equal DPS to the other pistols.
 It still has massively more range, even if it's a skill based weapon.
 
 Edit:
 205 damage per shot.
 Sounds fair?
 
 Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1186
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 14:04:00 -
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 Cat Merc wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:It needs a slight buff, but NOT to 350 DPS. It's like the only weapon that trades DPS for range, the rest at most trade 10 DPS, and sometimes have even more DPS than the low range variants   The Assault Rifls come to mind when talking about this. Plasma Rifle has the lowest range by far, but only marginaly more DPS, sometimes even less, and sometimes much less. It's a skill based weapon, missing even a single shot drastically reduces it's TTK so it deserves a higher DPS It deserves equal DPS to the other pistols. It still has massively more range, even if it's a skill based weapon. Edit: 205 damage per shot. Sounds fair? That would be much better then what we have now
 I would also like to see the operation skill changed as recoil resets before every shot so it dosent have much use
 Mabey charge time reduction?
 Also the bolt pistols range bug needs a fix bad
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        |  Jenova Rhapsodos
 Fatal Absolution
 Negative-Feedback
 
 346
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 14:05:00 -
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 If the bolt pistol is buffed I might just go proficiency 5.
 Day one prof 3 has served me well so far though.
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        |  Master Smurf
 Nos Nothi
 
 275
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 14:13:00 -
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 Buff Flaylock first
 
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1186
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 14:22:00 -
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 Master Smurf wrote:Buff Flaylock first Buff both
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1190
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 15:24:00 -
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 Jenova Rhapsodos wrote:If the bolt pistol is buffed I might just go proficiency 5.  Day one prof 3 has served me well so far though.   I'll probably go prof 5 just because of how cool it is
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        |  Buster Friently
 Rosen Association
 
 2089
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 15:30:00 -
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 Dexter307 wrote:Math time!The bolt pistol has a fire intervel of .4 which means it should have a rof of 150
 However, since you have to charge up the gun before each shot that adds a additional .25s between shots.
 This means its .65s between each shot or 92.3 RPM
 Lets look at the advanced bolt pistol
 The advanced bolt pistol does 141.75 damage per shot
 With these 2 stats you can find the dps
 141.75 x 92.3 = 13083.525
 13083.535/60 = 218.06 DPS
 218.06 DPS...
 Thats terrible, thats even lower than the ion pistol!
 Combine that with the range glitch the bolt pistol has and it makes it even worse!
 I really want this pistol to be good, i mean its a friggin space revolver!
 My recomendation to make the bolt pistol a more balenced weapon is to remove the charge between shots and only require the charge on the first shot just like on the rail rifle and the magsec, this would give it a DPS of 354.38 which is much more in line with the other sidearms.
 
 
 Flaylock first.
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1190
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 15:31:00 -
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 Buster Friently wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Math time!The bolt pistol has a fire intervel of .4 which means it should have a rof of 150
 However, since you have to charge up the gun before each shot that adds a additional .25s between shots.
 This means its .65s between each shot or 92.3 RPM
 Lets look at the advanced bolt pistol
 The advanced bolt pistol does 141.75 damage per shot
 With these 2 stats you can find the dps
 141.75 x 92.3 = 13083.525
 13083.535/60 = 218.06 DPS
 218.06 DPS...
 Thats terrible, thats even lower than the ion pistol!
 Combine that with the range glitch the bolt pistol has and it makes it even worse!
 I really want this pistol to be good, i mean its a friggin space revolver!
 My recomendation to make the bolt pistol a more balenced weapon is to remove the charge between shots and only require the charge on the first shot just like on the rail rifle and the magsec, this would give it a DPS of 354.38 which is much more in line with the other sidearms.
 Flaylock first. Someone already said this
 I said buff both
 Next
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        |  Luna Angelo
 We Who Walk Alone
 
 881
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 15:41:00 -
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 Dexter307 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:It needs a slight buff, but NOT to 350 DPS. It's like the only weapon that trades DPS for range, the rest at most trade 10 DPS, and sometimes have even more DPS than the low range variants   The Assault Rifls come to mind when talking about this. Plasma Rifle has the lowest range by far, but only marginaly more DPS, sometimes even less, and sometimes much less. It's a skill based weapon, missing even a single shot drastically reduces it's TTK so it deserves a higher DPS It deserves equal DPS to the other pistols. It still has massively more range, even if it's a skill based weapon. Edit: 205 damage per shot. Sounds fair? That would be much better then what we have now I would also like to see the operation skill changed as recoil resets before every shot so it dosent have much use Mabey charge time reduction? Also the bolt pistols range bug needs a fix bad I was thinking that the op skill WOULD do something useful. I looked and saw recoil reduction? Seriously? It fires so slowly that the recoil doesn't matter. It's like a revolver in COD or Battlefield.
 
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1195
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 17:21:00 -
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 How about for damage:
 STD/ADV/PRO
 200/ 210/ 220
 
 Change operations skill to:
 -5% to charge time per level
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        |  Fizzer94
 L.O.T.I.S.
 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
 
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      | Posted - 2014.03.26 17:30:00 -
          [46] - Quote 
 +1
 All 4 pistols are bad and need buffs. Some more than others.
 Pistols should be usable as more than finisher weapons.
 
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        |  Chunky Munkey
 Amarr Templars
 Amarr Empire
 
 3688
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 17:32:00 -
          [47] - Quote 
 You don't need the maths mate. Just use it, it's crap.
 
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        |  Soldner VonKuechle
 SAM-MIK
 General Tso's Alliance
 
 414
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 17:38:00 -
          [48] - Quote 
 Idk if all my time spent in a rail tank makes me good with it ir I'm just brain defective but I've been averaging about a quarter of my kills coming from bolting people in the head.
 
 ... mainly scouts because lulz.
 
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        |  Aaroniero d'Lioncourt
 
 466
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 17:56:00 -
          [49] - Quote 
 Bolt pistol is awesome.
  
 
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        |  Bones McGavins
 TacoCat Industries
 
 621
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 18:11:00 -
          [50] - Quote 
 Bolt is a solid heavy killer. SCR + bolt pistol can make mince meat out of heavies. Especially if you land head shots with the bolt. I was actually shocked to see how quick the heavy armor dropped from bolt rounds.
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1203
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 18:43:00 -
          [51] - Quote 
 #buffbolt
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1203
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 19:25:00 -
          [52] - Quote 
 #buffthebolt
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1203
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.26 20:27:00 -
          [53] - Quote 
 #pleasebuffthebolt
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1204
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.27 00:51:00 -
          [54] - Quote 
 Bump
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        |  Ghost Kaisar
 Fatal Absolution
 Negative-Feedback
 
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      | Posted - 2014.03.27 00:54:00 -
          [55] - Quote 
 
 Dexter307 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:It's a bolt pistol, it meant to have a long shot between.
 Let me know when it has a 20m optimal.
 Well then buff the damage Its DPS is way to low 
 Remember that argument we had a long time ago, that ended with everyone agreeing that
 
 HIGH RANGE HIGH DPS WEAPONS BREAK THE GAME!?!?!
 
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1204
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.27 00:57:00 -
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 Ghost Kaisar wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:It's a bolt pistol, it meant to have a long shot between.
 Let me know when it has a 20m optimal.
 Well then buff the damage Its DPS is way to low Remember that argument we had a long time ago, that ended with everyone agreeing that HIGH RANGE HIGH DPS WEAPONS BREAK THE GAME!?!?! 350 dps is not high DPS
 Its require PERFECT accuracy to be effective and even now the magsec is better at all ranges
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1204
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.27 02:54:00 -
          [57] - Quote 
 I refuse to let this thread die
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        |  Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
 
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      | Posted - 2014.03.27 02:58:00 -
          [58] - Quote 
 id say a small RoF buff, maybe 1 more in the mag, but thats it
 
 Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance! | 
      
      
        |  Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
 
 319
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.27 02:59:00 -
          [59] - Quote 
 
 Dexter307 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:It's a bolt pistol, it meant to have a long shot between.
 Let me know when it has a 20m optimal.
 Well then buff the damage Its DPS is way to low Remember that argument we had a long time ago, that ended with everyone agreeing that HIGH RANGE HIGH DPS WEAPONS BREAK THE GAME!?!?! 350 dps is not high DPS Its require PERFECT accuracy to be effective and even now the magsec is better at all ranges 350 dps is higher than SMGGǪJust saying. Im thinking somewhere around 330 at proto would be good, but at basic, it needs to be around 270
 
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1204
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.27 03:00:00 -
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 Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:id say a small RoF buff, maybe 1 more in the mag, but thats it Its mag size is fine. Its the DPS thats to low
 210 DPS for a weapon that requires alot of skill is not good
 It either needs its charge time inbetween shots removed or damage at basic upped to 200
 Operation skill should also be 5% reduction a charge time since recoil reset between each shot anyway
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1205
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.27 03:04:00 -
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 Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:It's a bolt pistol, it meant to have a long shot between.
 Let me know when it has a 20m optimal.
 Well then buff the damage Its DPS is way to low Remember that argument we had a long time ago, that ended with everyone agreeing that HIGH RANGE HIGH DPS WEAPONS BREAK THE GAME!?!?! 350 dps is not high DPS Its require PERFECT accuracy to be effective and even now the magsec is better at all ranges 350 dps is higher than SMGGǪJust saying. Im thinking somewhere around 330 at proto would be good, but at basic, it needs to be around 270 The basic smg does 350 dps exactly
 The magsec does 355 at basic for only 5 less meters of optimal range
 The bolt pistol needs to do at least as much dps or very close to the same DPS or theres no reason to use it considering how much more difficult to use it is compared to spray and pray guns.
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1205
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.27 03:36:00 -
          [62] - Quote 
 Seems everyone agrees it needs a buff
 Can we get us a hotifx for the bolt pistol ccp?
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        |  Maken Tosch
 DUST University
 Ivy League
 
 7681
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.27 06:47:00 -
          [63] - Quote 
 I just saw Cyrius Li-Moody's latest video. He's wrecking with the Bolt Pistol. Of course, best combined with the MAGSEC.
 
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1217
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.27 14:42:00 -
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 Maken Tosch wrote:I just saw Cyrius Li-Moody's latest video. He's wrecking with the Bolt Pistol. Of course, best combined with the MAGSEC. But not everyone's quite as good as him
 And he killed people much faster with the magsec
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        |  Dexter307
 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
 
 1251
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.03.28 14:37:00 -
          [65] - Quote 
 Buff dis thing
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