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Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1186	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:49:00 - [31] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: It needs a slight buff, but NOT to 350 DPS. It's like the only weapon that trades DPS for range, the rest at most trade 10 DPS, and sometimes have even more DPS than the low range variants The Assault Rifls come to mind when talking about this. Plasma Rifle has the lowest range by far, but only marginaly more DPS, sometimes even less, and sometimes much less. It's a skill based weapon, missing even a single shot drastically reduces it's TTK so it deserves a higher DPS
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1219	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:51:00 - [32] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: It needs a slight buff, but NOT to 350 DPS. It's like the only weapon that trades DPS for range, the rest at most trade 10 DPS, and sometimes have even more DPS than the low range variants The Assault Rifls come to mind when talking about this. Plasma Rifle has the lowest range by far, but only marginaly more DPS, sometimes even less, and sometimes much less. It's a skill based weapon, missing even a single shot drastically reduces it's TTK so it deserves a higher DPS PLC should be able to two shot tanks according to that logic
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 918	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:52:00 - [33] - Quote I tried all the pistols last night. The bolt pistol was first. I gave up three rounds later with one kill with it, and I've yet to see it on the killfeed. The magsec and ion pistols are much, much better sidearms, IMO. The charged shot mechanic makes the bolt pistol virtually useless -- as identified by the OP, it simply has too low a DPS to finish off anything but the almost-dead.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 696	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:53:00 - [34] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: It needs a slight buff, but NOT to 350 DPS. It's like the only weapon that trades DPS for range, the rest at most trade 10 DPS, and sometimes have even more DPS than the low range variants The Assault Rifls come to mind when talking about this. Plasma Rifle has the lowest range by far, but only marginaly more DPS, sometimes even less, and sometimes much less. It's a skill based weapon, missing even a single shot drastically reduces it's TTK so it deserves a higher DPS PLC should be able to two shot tanks according to that logic Exept you can hide indoors from the tank, and the plc has an easier time hitting hit than a bolt pistmol... Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7772	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:55:00 - [35] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: It needs a slight buff, but NOT to 350 DPS. It's like the only weapon that trades DPS for range, the rest at most trade 10 DPS, and sometimes have even more DPS than the low range variants The Assault Rifls come to mind when talking about this. Plasma Rifle has the lowest range by far, but only marginaly more DPS, sometimes even less, and sometimes much less. It's a skill based weapon, missing even a single shot drastically reduces it's TTK so it deserves a higher DPS PLC should be able to two shot tanks according to that logic Exept you can hide indoors from the tank, and the plc has an easier time hitting hit than a bolt pistmol... Maybe if you're 5m away. In fact, if you aim at a tank 5m away that is moving, you will miss, because the projectile is that slow. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 7772	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:56:00 - [36] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: It needs a slight buff, but NOT to 350 DPS. It's like the only weapon that trades DPS for range, the rest at most trade 10 DPS, and sometimes have even more DPS than the low range variants The Assault Rifls come to mind when talking about this. Plasma Rifle has the lowest range by far, but only marginaly more DPS, sometimes even less, and sometimes much less. It's a skill based weapon, missing even a single shot drastically reduces it's TTK so it deserves a higher DPS It deserves equal DPS to the other pistols. It still has massively more range, even if it's a skill based weapon. Edit: 205 damage per shot. Sounds fair? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1186	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:04:00 - [37] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: It needs a slight buff, but NOT to 350 DPS. It's like the only weapon that trades DPS for range, the rest at most trade 10 DPS, and sometimes have even more DPS than the low range variants The Assault Rifls come to mind when talking about this. Plasma Rifle has the lowest range by far, but only marginaly more DPS, sometimes even less, and sometimes much less. It's a skill based weapon, missing even a single shot drastically reduces it's TTK so it deserves a higher DPS It deserves equal DPS to the other pistols. It still has massively more range, even if it's a skill based weapon. Edit: 205 damage per shot. Sounds fair? That would be much better then what we have now I would also like to see the operation skill changed as recoil resets before every shot so it dosent have much use Mabey charge time reduction? Also the bolt pistols range bug needs a fix bad
Jenova Rhapsodos Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 346	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:05:00 - [38] - Quote If the bolt pistol is buffed I might just go proficiency 5. Day one prof 3 has served me well so far though.
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 275	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:13:00 - [39] - Quote Buff Flaylock first "Shine bright like a diamond"
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1186	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:22:00 - [40] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: Buff Flaylock first Buff both
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1190	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:24:00 - [41] - Quote Jenova Rhapsodos wrote: If the bolt pistol is buffed I might just go proficiency 5. Day one prof 3 has served me well so far though. I'll probably go prof 5 just because of how cool it is
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2089	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:30:00 - [42] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Math time! The bolt pistol has a fire intervel of .4 which means it should have a rof of 150 However, since you have to charge up the gun before each shot that adds a additional .25s between shots. This means its .65s between each shot or 92.3 RPM Lets look at the advanced bolt pistol The advanced bolt pistol does 141.75 damage per shot With these 2 stats you can find the dps 141.75 x 92.3 = 13083.525 13083.535/60 = 218.06 DPS 218.06 DPS... Thats terrible, thats even lower than the ion pistol! Combine that with the range glitch the bolt pistol has and it makes it even worse! I really want this pistol to be good, i mean its a friggin space revolver! My recomendation to make the bolt pistol a more balenced weapon is to remove the charge between shots and only require the charge on the first shot just like on the rail rifle and the magsec, this would give it a DPS of 354.38 which is much more in line with the other sidearms. Flaylock first.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1190	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:31:00 - [43] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Math time! The bolt pistol has a fire intervel of .4 which means it should have a rof of 150 However, since you have to charge up the gun before each shot that adds a additional .25s between shots. This means its .65s between each shot or 92.3 RPM Lets look at the advanced bolt pistol The advanced bolt pistol does 141.75 damage per shot With these 2 stats you can find the dps 141.75 x 92.3 = 13083.525 13083.535/60 = 218.06 DPS 218.06 DPS... Thats terrible, thats even lower than the ion pistol! Combine that with the range glitch the bolt pistol has and it makes it even worse! I really want this pistol to be good, i mean its a friggin space revolver! My recomendation to make the bolt pistol a more balenced weapon is to remove the charge between shots and only require the charge on the first shot just like on the rail rifle and the magsec, this would give it a DPS of 354.38 which is much more in line with the other sidearms. Flaylock first. Someone already said this I said buff both Next
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 881	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:41:00 - [44] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: It needs a slight buff, but NOT to 350 DPS. It's like the only weapon that trades DPS for range, the rest at most trade 10 DPS, and sometimes have even more DPS than the low range variants The Assault Rifls come to mind when talking about this. Plasma Rifle has the lowest range by far, but only marginaly more DPS, sometimes even less, and sometimes much less. It's a skill based weapon, missing even a single shot drastically reduces it's TTK so it deserves a higher DPS It deserves equal DPS to the other pistols. It still has massively more range, even if it's a skill based weapon. Edit: 205 damage per shot. Sounds fair? That would be much better then what we have now I would also like to see the operation skill changed as recoil resets before every shot so it dosent have much use Mabey charge time reduction? Also the bolt pistols range bug needs a fix bad I was thinking that the op skill WOULD do something useful. I looked and saw recoil reduction? Seriously? It fires so slowly that the recoil doesn't matter. It's like a revolver in COD or Battlefield. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1195	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:21:00 - [45] - Quote How about for damage: STD/ADV/PRO 200/ 210/ 220 Change operations skill to: -5% to charge time per level
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2387	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:30:00 - [46] - Quote +1 All 4 pistols are bad and need buffs. Some more than others. Pistols should be usable as more than finisher weapons. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3688	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:32:00 - [47] - Quote You don't need the maths mate. Just use it, it's crap. No.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 414	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:38:00 - [48] - Quote Idk if all my time spent in a rail tank makes me good with it ir I'm just brain defective but I've been averaging about a quarter of my kills coming from bolting people in the head. ... mainly scouts because lulz. If you don't understand politics or pulling triggers, I have no use for you.
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt 466	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:56:00 - [49] - Quote Bolt pistol is awesome. #Dud514
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 621	Posted - 2014.03.26 18:11:00 - [50] - Quote Bolt is a solid heavy killer. SCR + bolt pistol can make mince meat out of heavies. Especially if you land head shots with the bolt. I was actually shocked to see how quick the heavy armor dropped from bolt rounds.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1203	Posted - 2014.03.26 18:43:00 - [51] - Quote #buffbolt
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1203	Posted - 2014.03.26 19:25:00 - [52] - Quote #buffthebolt
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1203	Posted - 2014.03.26 20:27:00 - [53] - Quote #pleasebuffthebolt
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1204	Posted - 2014.03.27 00:51:00 - [54] - Quote Bump
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3781	Posted - 2014.03.27 00:54:00 - [55] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: It's a bolt pistol, it meant to have a long shot between. Let me know when it has a 20m optimal. Well then buff the damage Its DPS is way to low Remember that argument we had a long time ago, that ended with everyone agreeing that HIGH RANGE HIGH DPS WEAPONS BREAK THE GAME!?!?! I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1204	Posted - 2014.03.27 00:57:00 - [56] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: It's a bolt pistol, it meant to have a long shot between. Let me know when it has a 20m optimal. Well then buff the damage Its DPS is way to low Remember that argument we had a long time ago, that ended with everyone agreeing that HIGH RANGE HIGH DPS WEAPONS BREAK THE GAME!?!?! 350 dps is not high DPS Its require PERFECT accuracy to be effective and even now the magsec is better at all ranges
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1204	Posted - 2014.03.27 02:54:00 - [57] - Quote I refuse to let this thread die
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 319	Posted - 2014.03.27 02:58:00 - [58] - Quote id say a small RoF buff, maybe 1 more in the mag, but thats it Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 319	Posted - 2014.03.27 02:59:00 - [59] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: It's a bolt pistol, it meant to have a long shot between. Let me know when it has a 20m optimal. Well then buff the damage Its DPS is way to low Remember that argument we had a long time ago, that ended with everyone agreeing that HIGH RANGE HIGH DPS WEAPONS BREAK THE GAME!?!?! 350 dps is not high DPS Its require PERFECT accuracy to be effective and even now the magsec is better at all ranges 350 dps is higher than SMGGÇªJust saying. Im thinking somewhere around 330 at proto would be good, but at basic, it needs to be around 270 Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1204	Posted - 2014.03.27 03:00:00 - [60] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: id say a small RoF buff, maybe 1 more in the mag, but thats it Its mag size is fine. Its the DPS thats to low 210 DPS for a weapon that requires alot of skill is not good It either needs its charge time inbetween shots removed or damage at basic upped to 200 Operation skill should also be 5% reduction a charge time since recoil reset between each shot anyway

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