DUST Search - Possible stealth buff to Mk.0 Assault

ReGnYuM wrote:

Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:

Personally I've barely been scanned at all this build. Scanners are in decline.

Also if your flanking are you not in a position they're unlikely to scan? Even if you are the duration & cooldowns mean if you wait for the message to disappear you can reposition and they won't see you coming.

I very much appreciate your optimism and gameplay tips. However, when I give feedback most of it stems from Planetary Conquest.

Broonfondle wrote:

Even if you are the duration & cooldowns mean if you wait for the message to disappear you can reposition and they won't see you coming

-I know for a fact that A -teams will be running a Gal Logi with three different types of proto scanners. Waiting for it to disappear is simply not an option, especially with hunter seeker killer scouts.

Look fellas, I am not asking for CCP to make every suit (medium - heavy) able to get by the best scanners. I just feel Minmatar should be the exception. It already shares so many traits similar to a lightframe; furthermore its designed for ganking and stealth is key attribute of that playstyle.

"...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"

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ReGnYuM Dirt Nap Squad. 2566	Posted - 2014.03.25 22:48:00 - [1] - Quote I think an innate complex dampener or maybe a lower scan profile would really go a long way. The Mk.0 is clearly designed for more of a Flank and Gank playstyle. -Very fast -High stamina pool -Insane stamina Regen -Bonus in clip size to high RoF weapons However, the bonuses mean nothing if you're being scanned. FLank and Gank tactics are impossible, when being scanned. I currently run two Comp damps in my two lows. In public matches it works quite well; however in PC gal Logis are the scanners. I just find it frustrating that my intended suits playstyle is being bricked walled not by lack of poor fitting, but impossibility. I have no problem sacrificing tank for stealth, but at least make it possible. I really think a stealth buff would really be the needed small push to making the Mk.0 shine. Thank you for your time. My SP GAP carries me.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2384	Posted - 2014.03.25 23:01:00 - [2] - Quote Just a thought... What about high slot profile dampeners? Honestly just makes sense to me to have that... as well as a viable alternative to damage mods for armor tankers. Would give you, as a min assault, the ability to sacrifice EHP for however low in profile you wanna get as well. You could fit some armor or some kin cats on the lows instead.
XeroTheBigBoss TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 948	Posted - 2014.03.26 04:39:00 - [3] - Quote I approve!
SgtNONECK WASSSUP Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 3	Posted - 2014.03.26 04:42:00 - [4] - Quote YESS!!!!!!!!
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1024	Posted - 2014.03.26 08:58:00 - [5] - Quote Personally I've barely been scanned at all this build. Scanners are in decline. Also if your flanking are you not in a position they're unlikely to scan? Even if you are the duration & cooldowns mean if you wait for the message to disappear you can reposition and they won't see you coming. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1893	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:12:00 - [6] - Quote Just forget about the assault suit already ReGnYuM. Gal/Cal scout is what assault players should spec into. Drop it like its hat.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1214	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:39:00 - [7] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Just forget about the assault suit already ReGnYuM. Gal/Cal scout is what assault players should spec into. wrong, scouts are the new assaults.
ReGnYuM Dirt Nap Squad. 2569	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:52:00 - [8] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Personally I've barely been scanned at all this build. Scanners are in decline. Also if your flanking are you not in a position they're unlikely to scan? Even if you are the duration & cooldowns mean if you wait for the message to disappear you can reposition and they won't see you coming. I very much appreciate your optimism and gameplay tips. However, when I give feedback most of it stems from Planetary Conquest. Broonfondle wrote: Even if you are the duration & cooldowns mean if you wait for the message to disappear you can reposition and they won't see you coming -I know for a fact that A -teams will be running a Gal Logi with three different types of proto scanners. Waiting for it to disappear is simply not an option, especially with hunter seeker killer scouts. Look fellas, I am not asking for CCP to make every suit (medium - heavy) able to get by the best scanners. I just feel Minmatar should be the exception. It already shares so many traits similar to a lightframe; furthermore its designed for ganking and stealth is key attribute of that playstyle. My SP GAP carries me.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1895	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:02:00 - [9] - Quote Reg, do you have a gal scout? If so, you should try 4 complex ferroscale plates and two complex extenders on it. Higher HP than caldari, same strafe speed. Better dampening. Drop it like its hat.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1028	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:15:00 - [10] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Personally I've barely been scanned at all this build. Scanners are in decline. Also if your flanking are you not in a position they're unlikely to scan? Even if you are the duration & cooldowns mean if you wait for the message to disappear you can reposition and they won't see you coming. I very much appreciate your optimism and gameplay tips. However, when I give feedback most of it stems from Planetary Conquest. Broonfondle wrote: Even if you are the duration & cooldowns mean if you wait for the message to disappear you can reposition and they won't see you coming -I know for a fact that A -teams will be running a Gal Logi with three different types of proto scanners. Waiting for it to disappear is simply not an option, especially with hunter seeker killer scouts. Look fellas, I am not asking for CCP to make every suit (medium - heavy) able to get by the best scanners. I just feel Minmatar should be the exception. It already shares so many traits similar to a lightframe; furthermore its designed for ganking and stealth is key attribute of that playstyle. We can't balance it to PC - its the playground for broken mechanics. If it works there then its obviously not an intended dynamic of the game. I don't want a game balanced around competitive play. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"

ReGnYuM Dirt Nap Squad. 2570	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:20:00 - [11] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Reg, do you have a gal scout? If so, you should try 4 complex ferroscale plates and two complex extenders on it. Higher HP than caldari, same strafe speed. Better dampening. I do Have a Gk.0 scout. However, what we are focusing on is a playstyle on a specific suit, the Mk.0 assault. CCP gave it a high sprint and movement speed CCP gave it a high Stamina Pool CCP gave it a insane Stamina regen CCP gave it a bonus to high ROF weapons These things lead to one thing: A suit designed for a more ganking style, but still with the ability to match another assault suit toe to toe. My SP GAP carries me.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1895	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:28:00 - [12] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Reg, do you have a gal scout? If so, you should try 4 complex ferroscale plates and two complex extenders on it. Higher HP than caldari, same strafe speed. Better dampening. I do Have a Gk.0 scout. However, what we are focusing on is a playstyle on a specific suit, the Mk.0 assault. CCP gave it a high sprint and movement speed CCP gave it a high Stamina Pool CCP gave it a insane Stamina regen CCP gave it a bonus to high ROF weapons These things lead to one thing: A suit designed for a more ganking style, but still with the ability to match another assault suit toe to toe. Sure, I get all of this. I support you idea also. But I have moved on from being an assault really. Didnt even consider assault as a valid option in 1.8. Which kind of sucks. I have stuck with my cal assault since the start of open beta... Now that streak is finished... In reality, all assaults should have low signature. Even lower than scouts (since scouts have the cloak to boost it to ridiculous levels). We will not see an assault rebalance before end of Juni though. Drop it like its hat.
Nega Matix Cafe Speed Plains EoN. 2	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:47:00 - [13] - Quote when uprising came around I chose the assault mk.0 for the movement speed and stamina, that strafe worked out really good for me. then they reintroduced aim-assist and scanners making it more challenging. maybe another low slot would suffice? your idea is great aswell, being scanned while trying to flank is the worst. dat clip size doe... I couldn't think of a signature...
Exergonic TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 333	Posted - 2014.03.26 15:49:00 - [14] - Quote Bump! Few things tho 1. I don't think assaults should have a lower scan then scout... What would be the point in going scout then 2. With minm assault having the lowest effective hp they deserve the lower scan res (also maybe think about switching the minm armor and shields?? Still don't know why they are backwards...) 3. There needs to be a light, medium, large set of plates/extenders... There is no reason why a scout should be able to fit the same plates as my heavy o.O (which would fix beef cake suits) I think with some of these and other people's ideas we can put the assault back into its proper role on the battle field
Deluxe Edition TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 739	Posted - 2014.03.26 17:00:00 - [15] - Quote Exergonic wrote: Bump! Few things tho 3. There needs to be a light, medium, large set of plates/extenders... There is no reason why a scout should be able to fit the same plates as my heavy o.O (which would fix beef cake suits) ^ this
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1899	Posted - 2014.03.27 06:16:00 - [16] - Quote I think it should be like in EVE, your signature should increase with shield extenders and other power emitting modules. That would mean the base assault/scout scan profile should be lowered to make a fully shield tanked assault/scout have similar profile as today. Drop it like its hat.
shady merc RisingSuns 44	Posted - 2014.03.27 06:53:00 - [17] - Quote I Agee I think this is one of biggest problems with both minmatar and amarr. If you look at the stats for both races it's evident that Minmatar plays like it 1 suit lighter and and amarr plays like its one suit larger. We need to reinforce this by changing more of their base stats then just hp and speed. Minmatar should have best in class recharge , profile, speed, Amarr need a hitpoint point bonus that about halfway between suit sizes, this would let them combat larger suits easier while getting stats closer to the smaller suit scans,recharge, and profile
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4815	Posted - 2014.03.27 12:56:00 - [18] - Quote Run Ferroscale. It solved my problems with everything. You keep your armor tank, keep your speed (sprint/strafe). Since CCP decided to be gracious and not getc rid of the innate armor rep on the Minmatar Assault, it works. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦á_a¦á
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 287	Posted - 2014.03.27 13:00:00 - [19] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Just a thought... What about high slot profile dampeners? Honestly just makes sense to me to have that... as well as a viable alternative to damage mods for armor tankers. Would give you, as a min assault, the ability to sacrifice EHP for however low in profile you wanna get as well. You could fit some armor or some kin cats on the lows instead. Gal Scouts already get a dampening and range bonus. That would allow them to add more range and damp along with speed and or armor On the Minmatar - I think all of them should get some kind of innate dampening bonus as they usually have limited lows. "Shine bright like a diamond"
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2000	Posted - 2014.03.29 09:11:00 - [20] - Quote I always saw the Mk.0 as a hybrid Assault/Scout... However, this build, Scouts have become the new Assaults and they serve no purpose. I ain't got time for dat sh!t At least I'm not King ThunderBolt



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