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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:16:00 -
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Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK
Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol
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Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:18:00 -
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FFfFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF..................
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:19:00 -
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Ewwww don't ever put Win in front of something and think it makes you sound clever.
The Minmatar tried that once...... it didn't make them clever when Amarr fleets were knocking down the doors on their staging systems..... or when that alliance joined the Amarr Miltia.....
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
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HiddenBrother
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:20:00 -
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NERF HEAVIES
edit: Apparently; heavies are being nerfed. :>
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:20:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ewwww don't ever put Win in front of something and think it makes you sound clever.
The Minmatar tried that once...... it didn't make them clever when Amarr fleets were knocking down the doors on their staging systems..... or when that alliance joined the Amarr Miltia..... Clever? I have a tank, your argument is invalid
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Louis Domi
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:21:00 -
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Wait you're getting higher payouts for being in vehicles??? wtf??? Wtf??! WTF?!!!!!!! |
DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:23:00 -
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Louis Domi wrote:Wait you're getting higher payouts for being in vehicles??? wtf??? Wtf??! WTF?!!!!!!! It's glorious
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Alpha 443-6732
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:25:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol
do you understand what buff even means, brah?
do you even understand how to make sick gains like me, brah? |
DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:27:00 -
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Alpha 443-6732 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol do you understand what buff even means, brah? do you even understand how to make sick gains like me, brah? To buff is to increase effectiveness.
My HAV is now more effective at farming ISK.
Ergo, my HAV was buffed
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:27:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ewwww don't ever put Win in front of something and think it makes you sound clever.
The Minmatar tried that once...... it didn't make them clever when Amarr fleets were knocking down the doors on their staging systems..... or when that alliance joined the Amarr Miltia..... Clever? I have a tank, your argument is invalid
As do I.
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
The Containment Unit
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:29:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol Your cool and all but can you shut up please before they change that .
It also gives people incentive to A.V. so it's a win ... win for everyone .
Remember Fiend : Your cool .
Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
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HiddenBrother
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:29:00 -
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Been less than a day and already the heavy will get nerfed ;<
Caldari.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:34:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol Your cool and all but can you shut up please before they change that . It also gives people incentive to A.V. so it's a win ... win for everyone . Remember Fiend : Your cool . My only goal is to nerf tanks
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:37:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol Your cool and all but can you shut up please before they change that . It also gives people incentive to A.V. so it's a win ... win for everyone . Remember Fiend : Your cool . My only goal is to nerf tanks
Nerfing one single aspect of Vehicle vs AV doesnt achieve anything though...... Discussing balance and presenting a well supported and rationalised statement to CPM/CCP would do much better for balance.
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
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HiddenBrother
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:37:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:My only goal is to nerf tanks
Oh noes.
It's Mr the biased man. :>
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:38:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol Your cool and all but can you shut up please before they change that . It also gives people incentive to A.V. so it's a win ... win for everyone . Remember Fiend : Your cool . My only goal is to nerf tanks Nerfing one single aspect of Vehicle vs AV doesnt achieve anything though...... Discussing balance and presenting a well supported and rationalised statement to CPM/CCP would do much better for balance. Oh I am long since past that lol. I'm just farming pubs in my win mobile till CCP figures it out. The more rage I can induce, the better.
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Darken-Soul
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:39:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol Your cool and all but can you shut up please before they change that . It also gives people incentive to A.V. so it's a win ... win for everyone . Remember Fiend : Your cool . My only goal is to nerf tanks Nerfing one single aspect of Vehicle vs AV doesnt achieve anything though...... Discussing balance and presenting a well supported and rationalised statement to CPM/CCP would do much better for balance. Oh I am long since past that lol. I'm just farming pubs in my win mobile till CCP figures it out. The more rage I can induce, the better.
1.7 tanking motto
Who wants some?
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Yan Darn
Science For Death
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:42:00 -
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So yeah - I'm guessing tanks get the bonus for damaging a vehicle multiple times on top of the kill points?
EDIT: wasn't sure what the topic was about anymore.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:43:00 -
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Yan Darn wrote:So yeah - I'm guessing tanks get the bonus for damaging a vehicle multiple times on top of the kill points? Yea, I get about 315 WP for killing a Baloch with a single occupant.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:43:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol Your cool and all but can you shut up please before they change that . It also gives people incentive to A.V. so it's a win ... win for everyone . Remember Fiend : Your cool . My only goal is to nerf tanks Nerfing one single aspect of Vehicle vs AV doesnt achieve anything though...... Discussing balance and presenting a well supported and rationalised statement to CPM/CCP would do much better for balance. Oh I am long since past that lol. I'm just farming pubs in my win mobile till CCP figures it out. The more rage I can induce, the better. Getting huge ISK payouts is just the icing on the tear filled cake
So by your logic you would exploit for your own benefit an aspect of the game in an attempt to get it selfishly nerfed ruining one section of the game to better benefit your own rather than seeking balance through logical and well presented discussion......
People like you are why we cannot have balance.
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:44:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:So by your logic you would exploit for your own benefit an aspect of the game in an attempt to get it selfishly nerfed ruining one section of the game to better benefit your own rather than seeking balance through logical and well presented discussion......
People like you are why we cannot have balance. I've spent two years providing feedback and playing the underpowered options. I'm tired of tanks, so I'm fighting back in the most effective way possible: pissing off as many people as I can
I take pride in doing so well considering I am without a doubt one of the worst, most terrible tankers in DUST
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
The Containment Unit
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:44:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol Your cool and all but can you shut up please before they change that . It also gives people incentive to A.V. so it's a win ... win for everyone . Remember Fiend : Your cool . My only goal is to nerf tanks Well your not cool at all then , my wife tells me that I am a bad judge of character because I give people the benefit of the doubt , I guess she's right .
Thanks for setting me straight .
Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
The Containment Unit
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:45:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote:So by your logic you would exploit for your own benefit an aspect of the game in an attempt to get it selfishly nerfed ruining one section of the game to better benefit your own rather than seeking balance through logical and well presented discussion......
People like you are why we cannot have balance. I've spent two years providing feedback and playing the underpowered options. I'm tired of tanks, so I'm fighting back in the most effective way possible: pissing off as many people as I can Add me to that list .
Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:46:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol Your cool and all but can you shut up please before they change that . It also gives people incentive to A.V. so it's a win ... win for everyone . Remember Fiend : Your cool . My only goal is to nerf tanks Well your not cool at all then , my wife tells me that I am a bad judge of character because I give people the benefit of the doubt , I guess she's right . Thanks for setting me straight . You're very welcome, I wouldn't want anyone to get the wrong impression
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:46:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote:So by your logic you would exploit for your own benefit an aspect of the game in an attempt to get it selfishly nerfed ruining one section of the game to better benefit your own rather than seeking balance through logical and well presented discussion......
People like you are why we cannot have balance. I've spent two years providing feedback and playing the underpowered options. I'm tired of tanks, so I'm fighting back in the most effective way possible: pissing off as many people as I can
I wouldn't call that helping at all.
Tanks have only really been a threat for the last 3 months....and its taken you this long to skill into them....and use them...and you think you can speak for balance regarding them?
It's like me claiming I'm a top tier scout for having Ak0 for a day.
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
The Containment Unit
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:47:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol Your cool and all but can you shut up please before they change that . It also gives people incentive to A.V. so it's a win ... win for everyone . Remember Fiend : Your cool . My only goal is to nerf tanks Nerfing one single aspect of Vehicle vs AV doesnt achieve anything though...... Discussing balance and presenting a well supported and rationalised statement to CPM/CCP would do much better for balance.
So true ... so true .
Guess that's why you're called True Adamance .
Leave all negative comments about tanks in the bin marked " TRASH " and we'll get to it as soon as possible . Thank You
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HiddenBrother
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:48:00 -
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Atleast my damage mods still work on my Forgin' heavy.
Oh wait ;<
Caldari.
Fear, and admiration.
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Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:48:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol "Winrugar," +1
I still have 13.5 million Skill Points to burn. How many will it take to join your Religion?
Here, have some candy and a Like. :-)
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:50:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:True Adamance wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol Your cool and all but can you shut up please before they change that . It also gives people incentive to A.V. so it's a win ... win for everyone . Remember Fiend : Your cool . My only goal is to nerf tanks Nerfing one single aspect of Vehicle vs AV doesnt achieve anything though...... Discussing balance and presenting a well supported and rationalised statement to CPM/CCP would do much better for balance. So true ... so true . Guess that's why you're called True Adamance .
If this guy is sick of tanks I'm sick of seeing AV and Vehicles go through the motions every X months.
Balance first then *****.
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:51:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote:So by your logic you would exploit for your own benefit an aspect of the game in an attempt to get it selfishly nerfed ruining one section of the game to better benefit your own rather than seeking balance through logical and well presented discussion......
People like you are why we cannot have balance. I've spent two years providing feedback and playing the underpowered options. I'm tired of tanks, so I'm fighting back in the most effective way possible: pissing off as many people as I can I wouldn't call that helping at all. Tanks have only really been a threat for the last 3 months....and its taken you this long to skill into them....and use them...and you think you can speak for balance regarding them? It's like me claiming I'm a top tier scout for having Ak0 for a day. I never claimed to speak for balance regarding them (at least right now, not speaking of the past, when I actually cared)
I claimed to be farming pubs with my win mobile, inducing rage and rubbing my increased ISK payouts in their faces
What makes it better is that I'm 100% solo and play with the sound off while I blare bad music.
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Harpyja
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:05:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol I'll easily turn your "Winrugar" into a "Deadrugar," Gallente scum...
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:21:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol I'll easily turn your "Winrugar" into a "Deadrugar," Gallente scum... Have at it, until then....::farms pubs::
"It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
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Alpha 443-6732
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:59:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Alpha 443-6732 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol do you understand what buff even means, brah? do you even understand how to make sick gains like me, brah? To buff is to increase effectiveness. My HAV is now more effective at farming ISK. Ergo, my HAV was buffed
If you make something look nicer is that a buff as well to you? |
DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:27:00 -
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Alpha 443-6732 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Alpha 443-6732 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol do you understand what buff even means, brah? do you even understand how to make sick gains like me, brah? To buff is to increase effectiveness. My HAV is now more effective at farming ISK. Ergo, my HAV was buffed If you make something look nicer is that a buff as well to you? Does it increase the effectiveness of the asset in some way? If so, then yes. If not, then no.
Killing a Baloch with my blaster nets me 340 WP if it only has a single occupant. That is more than I will typically get with any kind of AV, and in a much shorter span of time. It was a buff, maybe not to combat effectiveness, but to ISK and WP efficiency.
"It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
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Alpha 443-6732
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:30:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Alpha 443-6732 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Alpha 443-6732 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol do you understand what buff even means, brah? do you even understand how to make sick gains like me, brah? To buff is to increase effectiveness. My HAV is now more effective at farming ISK. Ergo, my HAV was buffed If you make something look nicer is that a buff as well to you? Does it increase the effectiveness of the asset in some way? If so, then yes. If not, then no. Killing a Baloch with my blaster nets me 315 WP if it only has a single occupant. That is more than I will typically get with any kind of AV, and in a much shorter span of time. It was a buff, maybe not to combat effectiveness, but to ISK and WP efficiency.
It increases the effectiveness of the aesthetics
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:30:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol Your cool and all but can you shut up please before they change that . It also gives people incentive to A.V. so it's a win ... win for everyone . Remember Fiend : Your cool . My only goal is to nerf tanks Nerfing one single aspect of Vehicle vs AV doesnt achieve anything though...... Discussing balance and presenting a well supported and rationalised statement to CPM/CCP would do much better for balance.
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HiddenBrother
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:46:00 -
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Mr the fiend has finally lost it.
He's lost one dropship too many.
;>
Caldari.
Fear, and admiration.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:48:00 -
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HiddenBrother wrote:Mr the fiend has finally lost it.
He's lost one dropship too many.
;> I am on the one true path of righteousness.
For glory. For freedom. FOR THE FEDERATION!!!!!
"It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
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Derpty Derp
It's All Gone Derp
180
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:52:00 -
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Buffs my dropship more than your tank... Now while not killing a tank I get **** tons of war points while it heals up... Also LAV reward is now stupidly high, get more for damage than the kill xD |
HiddenBrother
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:55:00 -
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I am on the one true path of righteousness.
For glory. For freedom. FOR THE FEDERATION!!!!![/quote]
Since when did you morph into Mr the Captain Kirk?
Either that; or you've been brainwashed with Federation propoganda.
Would explain that time I saw you passed out in front of that sleazy Gallente club.
Poor Mr the Fiend. Dillusions of would be freedom have driven you to the extent of insanitory perceptions.
Caldari.
Fear, and admiration.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:56:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:Buffs my dropship more than your tank... Now while not killing a tank I get **** tons of war points while it heals up... Also LAV reward is now stupidly high, get more for damage than the kill xD I have a dropship too, I'm just taking the path of least resistance for a little while
HiddenBrother wrote:Since when did you morph into Mr the Captain Kirk?
Either that; or you've been brainwashed with Federation propoganda.
Would explain that time I saw you passed out in front of that sleazy Gallente club.
Poor Mr the Fiend. Dillusions of would be freedom have driven you to the extent of insanitory perceptions.
Freedom is often a dark, twisted, gruesome thing
"It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
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Second Cerberus
Tested In Production
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:01:00 -
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To be fair to DUST Fiend, CCP's record on using player feedback constructively is pretty poor.
Even if you were to craft the perfect "balanced" solution True, it's very unlikely that CCP would listen or implement your suggestions.
Don't let that stop you from searching for constructive criticism on the issue, but don't assume it's going to any good.
CCP is not looking for our feedback or suggestions, as evidenced by their refusal to respond or acknowledge the tank balance issue.
Also, tank trolls blindly protecting the ridiculous tank vs. infantry combat we have now isn't helping.
I think Fiend realizes that the quickest way to get a nerf (CCP's form of balance) is to blatantly and repeatedly abuse a game mechanic for so long it actually starts to bother the Devs.
I think he will actually get a response faster thru his tongue-in-cheek passive aggressive behavior than you will with a (possibly) good intentioned call for constructive suggestions.
Good luck to you both.
"I don't always test my code, but when I do, I do it in production." - CCP
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:04:00 -
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Second Cerberus wrote:I think Fiend realizes that the quickest way to get a nerf (CCP's form of balance) is to blatantly and repeatedly abuse a game mechanic for so long it actually starts to bother the Devs.
I've actually been against this my entire time as a gamer and with my time in DUST, up until now. My patience has simply faded away at this point. I mean, I was a Prometheus pilot for Gods sake >_<
I'm just taking the path of least resistance at this point. Plus, it makes me laugh so damn hard. That's how I know something is OP, when it makes me feel all warm inside like Murder Taxi's did (and I only did that for a couple days, but oh my god the lulz)
"It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
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Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
607
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:12:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: So by your logic you would exploit for your own benefit an aspect of the game in an attempt to get it selfishly nerfed ruining one section of the game to better benefit your own rather than seeking balance through logical and well presented discussion......
People like you are why we cannot have balance.
Let me get this straight.
Because you create threads that discuss you wanting to balance tanks a bit more,
you can roll around dominating the field all day long, while crushing the hopes and dreams of anyone fresh out of the academy that might falsely assume the game is balanced, is perfectly okay?
But if someone else does the same exact ******* thing with a different mindset, its all the sudden a crime against everything Dust?
Regardless of your comments on the forums, you are no better then he is while in game. Get off your pedestal. |
Second Cerberus
Tested In Production
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:24:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Second Cerberus wrote:I think Fiend realizes that the quickest way to get a nerf (CCP's form of balance) is to blatantly and repeatedly abuse a game mechanic for so long it actually starts to bother the Devs.
I've actually been against this my entire time as a gamer and with my time in DUST, up until now. My patience has simply faded away at this point. I mean, I was a Prometheus pilot for Gods sake >_< I'm just taking the path of least resistance at this point. Plus, it makes me laugh so damn hard. That's how I know something is OP, when it makes me feel all warm inside like Murder Taxi's did (and I only did that for a couple days, but oh my god the lulz)
As a Myron pilot for 3 builds I know that feeling. I was broke and frustrated until one day I abruptly realized that the game was DESIGNED to make flying dropships a terrible idea. After that moment I understood you have to play the game CCP releases, not the one you wish they did.
For 1.7 and 1.8, on the majority of maps the game is designed to put infantry at a significant disadvantage to vehicles. You can rage quit or take a break for 4-6 months if you don't like it or you can learn to play tankbush.
I saw some redberries in the last match who must have thought that just because we got new suits that tanks were on a holiday. A group of 4-5 were in the open on Manus Peak like tourists and quickly got a reminder this is still tankbush.
You can try to play the game you wish CCP had made, but it's going to be a frustrating experience.
"I don't always test my code, but when I do, I do it in production." - CCP
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Cinnamon267
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Posted - 2014.03.26 09:32:00 -
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Huh. I didn't think about people in tanks killing other vehicles getting extra points..... That's kinda crazy. That may just increase the tank spam.
But, I get lots of points now when I forge gun a tank and they run to the red line. Then they come back and I shoot them again. It a nice cycle. Really dumb, but nice. |
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
662
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Posted - 2014.03.26 09:40:00 -
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DMG reward was created to fight the tank spam, to make less "isk void" the AV role.
But if tanks get wp for DMG, we'll see only MORE tank spam.
Amarr SCR user.
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Scar Scrilla
UN1TED NATIONS Caps and Mercs
191
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Posted - 2014.03.26 09:52:00 -
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Actually everybody destroying vehicles benefits from vehic dam WP, hence it's a buff for the best AV, tanks itself...and here we go: vehicle damage WP are buffing tanks
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rattilius
A.O.D. VP Gaming Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:19:00 -
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Oh Ok ........... it's the tanks and LAVs that get WP for damage to vehicles. I misunderstood patch notes. I was under the impression the SL would of got some too being it is an "AV" weapon. Last night I got 0 points in one match for heavily damaging a paper dropship and a tank testing this new development. My reward = 50 kill assist points with 2 deaths. I feel like such a moron.
Ever desireless one can see the mystery.......ever desiring one only see's the manifestations.
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Yagihige
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
655
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:22:00 -
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Major oversight.
This additional WP should be awarded only to damage done to vehicles with AV weapons, not with other vehicles/turrets.
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Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
662
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:32:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Actually everybody destroying vehicles benefits from vehic dam WP, hence it's a buff for the best AV, tanks itself...and here we go: vehicle damage WP are buffing tanks
WP are buffing tanks 'cause more WP=More payout.
And if people gain more payout they can bring whatever they want witouth the risk of going negative ( not that they risk that with actual tank cost)
Amarr SCR user.
Believe in the FORGE, young padawans
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
830
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:46:00 -
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Louis Domi wrote:Wait you're getting higher payouts for being in vehicles??? wtf??? Wtf??! WTF?!!!!!!!
Did you really expect warpoint for AV would only benefit Infantry?? This is indeed a buff for vehicle drivers as some already pointed out before the introduction of this. And for vehicles drivers even more so as e.g a Rail tank gets ALL the points.
The partial points AND the points for destruction whereas infantry AV is only allowed to get the points for damage thanks to their toy AV... |
Alpha 443-6732
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:52:00 -
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Yagihige wrote:Major oversight.
This additional WP should be awarded only to damage done to vehicles with AV weapons, not with other vehicles/turrets.
why, exactly? Damage to vehicles is damage to vehicles and thats that. A railgun is an AV weapon as well. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
830
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:07:00 -
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Alpha 443-6732 wrote:Yagihige wrote:Major oversight.
This additional WP should be awarded only to damage done to vehicles with AV weapons, not with other vehicles/turrets. why, exactly? Damage to vehicles is damage to vehicles and thats that. A railgun is an AV weapon as well.
First and foremost this was introduced to encourage and reward Infantry AV but in CCPs usual manner this doesn't worked out so well.
But what really bugs me is when you OHK a vehicle your get less WP, lets say a scout that uses RE's will only get 150 WP for a HAV destruction, whereas a blaster tank can get up to ~250WP for the destruction of a LAV (ok for swarms it the same).
The only difference is the blaster tanks needs lets say 3 shots to destroy the LAV whereas th scout uses 3 RE's doing damage in one blast... |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:19:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Nerfing one single aspect of Vehicle vs AV doesnt achieve anything though...... Discussing balance and presenting a well supported and rationalised statement to CPM/CCP would do much better for balance. You would think so... These aren't normal, rational people we're dealing with. They're smug geeks with an addiction to the smell of their own ****.
I GÖú Kittens.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.26 12:58:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:True Adamance wrote:Nerfing one single aspect of Vehicle vs AV doesnt achieve anything though...... Discussing balance and presenting a well supported and rationalised statement to CPM/CCP would do much better for balance. You would think so... These aren't normal, rational people we're dealing with. They're smug geeks with an addiction to the smell of their own ****. Hey, that's not nice....we're talking about me here, not you guys
I'm sorry that my methods are too advanced for you, should I take you through the tutorial?
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D34NOS MAZDA
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
438
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:13:00 -
[57] - Quote
so you get 315 WP for destroying an LAV with a blaster I only get 165 WP for destroying an LAV with a proximity mine WTF??
CCP this needs to be balanced.
Should be 75wp for x amount of damage (say 500)
So an LAV with 1500 HP would payout the following So blaster would get +75 + 75 + 75 + 40 + 50 = 315
Proximities should get + 75 + 75 + 75 + 40+ 50 = 315 not +75 + 40 + 50 = 165
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GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
876
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:59:00 -
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I was kicking around last night on a skirmish.
Went 7/1, had a completely boring match other than one guy on the enemy team who kept trying to rush me in a tank. Popped him four times. Picked a few infantry off as well as a few pieces of equipment.
But because the guy was running a dual hardened armor tank, I ended up with 2600 WP for basically doing nothing. I don't mind getting an additional 1000 WP for no additional effort, but it really unbalances the WP and screws up the payout system when you allow one player to concentrate so many WP.
Tankers didn't need more WP than we already were getting.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:43:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Tankers didn't need more WP than we already were getting. Shhhh, don't let CCP, Taka, or Spkr hear you
"It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
3356
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:41:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Rynoceros wrote:True Adamance wrote:Nerfing one single aspect of Vehicle vs AV doesnt achieve anything though...... Discussing balance and presenting a well supported and rationalised statement to CPM/CCP would do much better for balance. You would think so... These aren't normal, rational people we're dealing with. They're smug geeks with an addiction to the smell of their own ****. Hey, that's not nice....we're talking about me here, not you guys I'm sorry that my methods are too advanced for you, should I take you through the tutorial? I was actually referring to CCP... I guess the statement could apply to Spkr and his band of monosyllabic crutch hoppers.
I GÖú Kittens.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
112
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:09:00 -
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Gallente being Gallente, Ie. I'm going to free the **** out of you! *Blows everyone up with tanks* |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.26 23:15:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Rynoceros wrote:True Adamance wrote:Nerfing one single aspect of Vehicle vs AV doesnt achieve anything though...... Discussing balance and presenting a well supported and rationalised statement to CPM/CCP would do much better for balance. You would think so... These aren't normal, rational people we're dealing with. They're smug geeks with an addiction to the smell of their own ****. Hey, that's not nice....we're talking about me here, not you guys I'm sorry that my methods are too advanced for you, should I take you through the tutorial? I was actually referring to CCP... I guess the statement could apply to Spkr and his band of monosyllabic crutch hoppers. I would apologize for my misplaced attack but I REGRET NOTHING!!!!
TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Gallente being Gallente, Ie. I'm going to free the **** out of you! *Blows everyone up with tanks* Freedom is strictly enforced
"It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
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Scheherazade VII
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Posted - 2014.03.26 23:17:00 -
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i think ill be trying this, i need to stockpile ISK to feed my hungry alt accounts. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.03.26 23:19:00 -
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Scheherazade VII wrote:i think ill be trying this, i need to stockpile ISK to feed my hungry alt accounts. I made 600k earlier, though I did lose one tank to Cody Sietz or however it's spelled. My volume was off, playing music, running solo and my daughter was distracting me. I was sitting still for a while like a scrub and he ninja REd me.
Still payed for the tank and a second one
"It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
249
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Posted - 2014.03.26 23:20:00 -
[65] - Quote
i purposleydip a gunnlogi into armour with my blaster madruagr and let it rep some damage every now and then to get an extra 75wp. then when i feel like its been torutured enough.......i kill it for the 150.
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Alpha 443-6732
General Tso's Alliance
374
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Posted - 2014.03.27 01:24:00 -
[66] - Quote
I still firmly believe that vehicle AV should be rewarded. However, it seems there are a lot of bugs to this system that you guys are describing, so maybe it needs to be adjusted several times for it to be fair to both sides.
Back on the vehicle AV reward topic, if I am in my missile gunny and suppressing some moron in the redline trying to gib me all game, I feel there should be some sort or reward. But like people are saying, it seems to be bugged right now like the way killing someone in an LAV sometimes gives kill assists per person (I think if you damage them before killing the LAV).
So lets not remove vehicle AV wp please, just adjust it and iron out the bugs. Once Infantry AV is rebalanced it will feel a lot more fairer on the WP earning side because by nature infantry AV can be easily hidden in comparison to vehicle AV, but in turn does less damage.
So what I hope for the future is:
Vehicle WP- Fast way of getting damage WP but also much more risky (with increased cost of MLT hulls to around that of a STD)
Infantry WP- Slightly slower way of gaining WP but has more potential to be secure and therefore less risky (with buffed potency of AV weapons and more AV tools being released) |
Patrick57
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Posted - 2014.03.27 01:26:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:To buff is to increase effectiveness.
My HAV is now more effective at farming ISK.
Ergo, my HAV was buffed #CCPlogic |
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