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Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1398	Posted - 2014.03.25 23:05:00 - [31] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol I'll easily turn your "Winrugar" into a "Deadrugar," Gallente scum... "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12546	Posted - 2014.03.25 23:21:00 - [32] - Quote Harpyja wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol I'll easily turn your "Winrugar" into a "Deadrugar," Gallente scum... Have at it, until then....::farms pubs:: "It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
Alpha 443-6732 General Tso's Alliance 373	Posted - 2014.03.26 01:59:00 - [33] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Alpha 443-6732 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol do you understand what buff even means, brah? do you even understand how to make sick gains like me, brah? To buff is to increase effectiveness. My HAV is now more effective at farming ISK. Ergo, my HAV was buffed If you make something look nicer is that a buff as well to you?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12554	Posted - 2014.03.26 02:27:00 - [34] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Alpha 443-6732 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol do you understand what buff even means, brah? do you even understand how to make sick gains like me, brah? To buff is to increase effectiveness. My HAV is now more effective at farming ISK. Ergo, my HAV was buffed If you make something look nicer is that a buff as well to you? Does it increase the effectiveness of the asset in some way? If so, then yes. If not, then no. Killing a Baloch with my blaster nets me 340 WP if it only has a single occupant. That is more than I will typically get with any kind of AV, and in a much shorter span of time. It was a buff, maybe not to combat effectiveness, but to ISK and WP efficiency. "It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
Alpha 443-6732 General Tso's Alliance 373	Posted - 2014.03.26 02:30:00 - [35] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Alpha 443-6732 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Alpha 443-6732 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol do you understand what buff even means, brah? do you even understand how to make sick gains like me, brah? To buff is to increase effectiveness. My HAV is now more effective at farming ISK. Ergo, my HAV was buffed If you make something look nicer is that a buff as well to you? Does it increase the effectiveness of the asset in some way? If so, then yes. If not, then no. Killing a Baloch with my blaster nets me 315 WP if it only has a single occupant. That is more than I will typically get with any kind of AV, and in a much shorter span of time. It was a buff, maybe not to combat effectiveness, but to ISK and WP efficiency. It increases the effectiveness of the aesthetics
Skihids Bullet Cluster 3130	Posted - 2014.03.26 02:30:00 - [36] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Been just trolling around in my Winrugar today, being a generally terrible tanker. With the new AV rewards, shooting vehicles has brought my average match payment from 230k ISK to 400k ISK Or at least that's how it feels, I never make this much usually and now it's the new normal lol Your cool and all but can you shut up please before they change that . It also gives people incentive to A.V. so it's a win ... win for everyone . Remember Fiend : Your cool . My only goal is to nerf tanks Nerfing one single aspect of Vehicle vs AV doesnt achieve anything though...... Discussing balance and presenting a well supported and rationalised statement to CPM/CCP would do much better for balance. Hah!
HiddenBrother 137	Posted - 2014.03.26 02:46:00 - [37] - Quote Mr the fiend has finally lost it. He's lost one dropship too many. ;> Caldari. Fear, and admiration.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12559	Posted - 2014.03.26 02:48:00 - [38] - Quote HiddenBrother wrote: Mr the fiend has finally lost it. He's lost one dropship too many. ;> I am on the one true path of righteousness. For glory. For freedom. FOR THE FEDERATION!!!!! "It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 180	Posted - 2014.03.26 02:52:00 - [39] - Quote Buffs my dropship more than your tank... Now while not killing a tank I get **** tons of war points while it heals up... Also LAV reward is now stupidly high, get more for damage than the kill xD
HiddenBrother 137	Posted - 2014.03.26 02:55:00 - [40] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I am on the one true path of righteousness. For glory. For freedom. FOR THE FEDERATION!!!!![/quote] Since when did you morph into Mr the Captain Kirk? Either that; or you've been brainwashed with Federation propoganda. Would explain that time I saw you passed out in front of that sleazy Gallente club. Poor Mr the Fiend. Dillusions of would be freedom have driven you to the extent of insanitory perceptions. Caldari. Fear, and admiration.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12561	Posted - 2014.03.26 02:56:00 - [41] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Buffs my dropship more than your tank... Now while not killing a tank I get ** tons of war points while it heals up... Also LAV reward is now stupidly high, get more for damage than the kill xD I have a dropship too, I'm just taking the path of least resistance for a little while HiddenBrother wrote:** Since when did you morph into Mr the Captain Kirk? Either that; or you've been brainwashed with Federation propoganda. Would explain that time I saw you passed out in front of that sleazy Gallente club. Poor Mr the Fiend. Dillusions of would be freedom have driven you to the extent of insanitory perceptions. Freedom is often a dark, twisted, gruesome thing "It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
Second Cerberus Tested In Production 112	Posted - 2014.03.26 03:01:00 - [42] - Quote To be fair to DUST Fiend, CCP's record on using player feedback constructively is pretty poor. Even if you were to craft the perfect "balanced" solution True, it's very unlikely that CCP would listen or implement your suggestions. Don't let that stop you from searching for constructive criticism on the issue, but don't assume it's going to any good. CCP is not looking for our feedback or suggestions, as evidenced by their refusal to respond or acknowledge the tank balance issue. Also, tank trolls blindly protecting the ridiculous tank vs. infantry combat we have now isn't helping. I think Fiend realizes that the quickest way to get a nerf (CCP's form of balance) is to blatantly and repeatedly abuse a game mechanic for so long it actually starts to bother the Devs. I think he will actually get a response faster thru his tongue-in-cheek passive aggressive behavior than you will with a (possibly) good intentioned call for constructive suggestions. Good luck to you both. "I don't always test my code, but when I do, I do it in production." - *CCP*
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12561	Posted - 2014.03.26 03:04:00 - [43] - Quote Second Cerberus wrote: I think Fiend realizes that the quickest way to get a nerf (CCP's form of balance) is to blatantly and repeatedly abuse a game mechanic for so long it actually starts to bother the Devs. I've actually been against this my entire time as a gamer and with my time in DUST, up until now. My patience has simply faded away at this point. I mean, I was a Prometheus pilot for Gods sake >_< I'm just taking the path of least resistance at this point. Plus, it makes me laugh so damn hard. That's how I know something is OP, when it makes me feel all warm inside like Murder Taxi's did (and I only did that for a couple days, but oh my god the lulz) "It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 607	Posted - 2014.03.26 03:12:00 - [44] - Quote True Adamance wrote: So by your logic you would exploit for your own benefit an aspect of the game in an attempt to get it selfishly nerfed ruining one section of the game to better benefit your own rather than seeking balance through logical and well presented discussion...... People like you are why we cannot have balance. Let me get this straight. Because you create threads that discuss you wanting to balance tanks a bit more, you can roll around dominating the field all day long, while crushing the hopes and dreams of anyone fresh out of the academy that might falsely assume the game is balanced, is perfectly okay? But if someone else does the same exact ******* thing with a different mindset, its all the sudden a crime against everything Dust? Regardless of your comments on the forums, you are no better then he is while in game. Get off your pedestal.
Second Cerberus Tested In Production 112	Posted - 2014.03.26 03:24:00 - [45] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Second Cerberus wrote: I think Fiend realizes that the quickest way to get a nerf (CCP's form of balance) is to blatantly and repeatedly abuse a game mechanic for so long it actually starts to bother the Devs. I've actually been against this my entire time as a gamer and with my time in DUST, up until now. My patience has simply faded away at this point. I mean, I was a Prometheus pilot for Gods sake >_< I'm just taking the path of least resistance at this point. Plus, it makes me laugh so damn hard. That's how I know something is OP, when it makes me feel all warm inside like Murder Taxi's did (and I only did that for a couple days, but oh my god the lulz) As a Myron pilot for 3 builds I know that feeling. I was broke and frustrated until one day I abruptly realized that the game was DESIGNED to make flying dropships a terrible idea. After that moment I understood you have to play the game CCP releases, not the one you wish they did. For 1.7 and 1.8, on the majority of maps the game is designed to put infantry at a significant disadvantage to vehicles. You can rage quit or take a break for 4-6 months if you don't like it or you can learn to play tankbush. I saw some redberries in the last match who must have thought that just because we got new suits that tanks were on a holiday. A group of 4-5 were in the open on Manus Peak like tourists and quickly got a reminder this is still tankbush. You can try to play the game you wish CCP had made, but it's going to be a frustrating experience. "I don't always test my code, but when I do, I do it in production." - *CCP*
Cinnamon267 110	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:32:00 - [46] - Quote Huh. I didn't think about people in tanks killing other vehicles getting extra points..... That's kinda crazy. That may just increase the tank spam. But, I get lots of points now when I forge gun a tank and they run to the red line. Then they come back and I shoot them again. It a nice cycle. Really dumb, but nice.
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 662	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:40:00 - [47] - Quote DMG reward was created to fight the tank spam, to make less "isk void" the AV role. But if tanks get wp for DMG, we'll see only MORE tank spam. Amarr SCR user. Believe in the FORGE, young padawans C'èSoloDoloreSuCharlie
Scar Scrilla UN1TED NATIONS Caps and Mercs 191	Posted - 2014.03.26 09:52:00 - [48] - Quote Actually everybody destroying vehicles benefits from vehic dam WP, hence it's a buff for the best AV, tanks itself...and here we go: vehicle damage WP are buffing tanks "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" "Go and hack the letter(s)" - Join our public channel: UN1TE
rattilius A.O.D. VP Gaming Alliance 4	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:19:00 - [49] - Quote Oh Ok ........... it's the tanks and LAVs that get WP for damage to vehicles. I misunderstood patch notes. I was under the impression the SL would of got some too being it is an "AV" weapon. Last night I got 0 points in one match for heavily damaging a paper dropship and a tank testing this new development. My reward = 50 kill assist points with 2 deaths. I feel like such a moron. Ever desireless one can see the mystery.......ever desiring one only see's the manifestations.
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 655	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:22:00 - [50] - Quote Major oversight. This additional WP should be awarded only to damage done to vehicles with AV weapons, not with other vehicles/turrets. em ta kool t'nod

Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 662	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:32:00 - [51] - Quote Scar Scrilla wrote: Actually everybody destroying vehicles benefits from vehic dam WP, hence it's a buff for the best AV, tanks itself...and here we go: vehicle damage WP are buffing tanks WP are buffing tanks 'cause more WP=More payout. And if people gain more payout they can bring whatever they want witouth the risk of going negative ( not that they risk that with actual tank cost) Amarr SCR user. Believe in the FORGE, young padawans C'èSoloDoloreSuCharlie
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 830	Posted - 2014.03.26 10:46:00 - [52] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: Wait you're getting higher payouts for being in vehicles??? wtf??? Wtf??! WTF?!!!!!!! Did you really expect warpoint for AV would only benefit Infantry?? This is indeed a buff for vehicle drivers as some already pointed out before the introduction of this. And for vehicles drivers even more so as e.g a Rail tank gets ALL the points. The partial points AND the points for destruction whereas infantry AV is only allowed to get the points for damage thanks to their toy AV...
Alpha 443-6732 General Tso's Alliance 374	Posted - 2014.03.26 11:52:00 - [53] - Quote Yagihige wrote: Major oversight. This additional WP should be awarded only to damage done to vehicles with AV weapons, not with other vehicles/turrets. why, exactly? Damage to vehicles is damage to vehicles and thats that. A railgun is an AV weapon as well.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 830	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:07:00 - [54] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Yagihige wrote: Major oversight. This additional WP should be awarded only to damage done to vehicles with AV weapons, not with other vehicles/turrets. why, exactly? Damage to vehicles is damage to vehicles and thats that. A railgun is an AV weapon as well. First and foremost this was introduced to encourage and reward Infantry AV but in CCPs usual manner this doesn't worked out so well. But what really bugs me is when you OHK a vehicle your get less WP, lets say a scout that uses RE's will only get 150 WP for a HAV destruction, whereas a blaster tank can get up to ~250WP for the destruction of a LAV (ok for swarms it the same). The only difference is the blaster tanks needs lets say 3 shots to destroy the LAV whereas th scout uses 3 RE's doing damage in one blast...
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3344	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:19:00 - [55] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Nerfing one single aspect of Vehicle vs AV doesnt achieve anything though...... Discussing balance and presenting a well supported and rationalised statement to CPM/CCP would do much better for balance. You would think so... These aren't normal, rational people we're dealing with. They're smug geeks with an addiction to the smell of their own ****. I GÖú Kittens.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12573	Posted - 2014.03.26 12:58:00 - [56] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: True Adamance wrote: Nerfing one single aspect of Vehicle vs AV doesnt achieve anything though...... Discussing balance and presenting a well supported and rationalised statement to CPM/CCP would do much better for balance. You would think so... These aren't normal, rational people we're dealing with. They're smug geeks with an addiction to the smell of their own ****. Hey, that's not nice....we're talking about me here, not you guys I'm sorry that my methods are too advanced for you, should I take you through the tutorial? "It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
D34NOS MAZDA WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 438	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:13:00 - [57] - Quote so you get 315 WP for destroying an LAV with a blaster I only get 165 WP for destroying an LAV with a proximity mine WTF?? CCP this needs to be balanced. Should be 75wp for x amount of damage (say 500) So an LAV with 1500 HP would payout the following So blaster would get +75 + 75 + 75 + 40 + 50 = 315 Proximities should get + 75 + 75 + 75 + 40+ 50 = 315 not +75 + 40 + 50 = 165 You are again favouring tankers, Hense I will not be playing on my tanker for a while.
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 876	Posted - 2014.03.26 13:59:00 - [58] - Quote I was kicking around last night on a skirmish. Went 7/1, had a completely boring match other than one guy on the enemy team who kept trying to rush me in a tank. Popped him four times. Picked a few infantry off as well as a few pieces of equipment. But because the guy was running a dual hardened armor tank, I ended up with 2600 WP for basically doing nothing. I don't mind getting an additional 1000 WP for no additional effort, but it really unbalances the WP and screws up the payout system when you allow one player to concentrate so many WP. Tankers didn't need more WP than we already were getting. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12574	Posted - 2014.03.26 14:43:00 - [59] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Tankers didn't need more WP than we already were getting. Shhhh, don't let CCP, Taka, or Spkr hear you "It seems you've mistaken me for someone who cares"
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3356	Posted - 2014.03.26 18:41:00 - [60] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Rynoceros wrote: True Adamance wrote: Nerfing one single aspect of Vehicle vs AV doesnt achieve anything though...... Discussing balance and presenting a well supported and rationalised statement to CPM/CCP would do much better for balance. You would think so... These aren't normal, rational people we're dealing with. They're smug geeks with an addiction to the smell of their own ****. Hey, that's not nice....we're talking about me here, not you guys I'm sorry that my methods are too advanced for you, should I take you through the tutorial? I was actually referring to CCP... I guess the statement could apply to Spkr and his band of monosyllabic crutch hoppers. I GÖú Kittens.



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