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Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3724	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:37:00 - [1] - Quote Not kidding. Ran a few rounds today, and sure enough, there is squads running Scout CK.0's with almost 500 shields and over 300 armor. Yup. High mobility, excellent shield regen and delay, ability to fit cloak, low profile. Why didn't we see this coming? I'll just be running around in my Min Scout trying to be all scouty and stuff while you guys run around abusing the light frames until they get nerfed again Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1057	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:38:00 - [2] - Quote Ghost.... i might disagree with you on this one. *Assassination is my thing.*
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3725	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:42:00 - [3] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Ghost.... i might disagree with you on this one. They are made for precision. Except they can be abused to become an assault. Precision? They didn't run a SINGLE presicion mod. Just shields, shields, shields, and armor armor armor. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Driftoward Nos Nothi 224	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:42:00 - [4] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Ghost.... i might disagree with you on this one. They are made for precision. To get over 500 shields....they aren't using precision.....just saying. Driftward alt. Its a secret, shhhh....
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Corporation 399	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:43:00 - [5] - Quote I have to disagree.... The part "why didnt we see that comming?" I saw that comming from Miles away
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2106	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:45:00 - [6] - Quote ccp can't force players to use gear and especially suits as they designed them to be used. This is ccp's biggest flaw (or one of the hundreds) thing is when it comes to suits most players just care about weapon, ehp, movement. Don't worry though CCP will find a way to force us to use suits as intended Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
ReGnYuM Dirt Nap Squad. 2560	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:45:00 - [7] - Quote CCP passive scans a nice touch on my CK.0 Assault... ahhh I mean scout My SP GAP carries me.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3725	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:46:00 - [8] - Quote Free Beers wrote: ccp can't force players to use gear and especially suits as they designed them to be used. This is ccp's biggest flaw (or one of the hundreds) thing is when it comes to suits most players just care about weapon, ehp, movement. Don't worry though CCP will find a way to force us to use suits as intended I hope so. This makes me die a bit on the inside Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
noobsniper the 2nd OLDSPICE. Top Men. 336	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:48:00 - [9] - Quote U high? I have max cores and I cant get my cal scout past 400 not that I would want to anyways just call me communist space king noob MAG vet raven ftw Pre 1.8 scout don't throw me in with that rift raft
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 822	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:50:00 - [10] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Not kidding. Ran a few rounds today, and sure enough, there is squads running Scout CK.0's with almost 500 shields and over 300 armor. Yup. High mobility, excellent shield regen and delay, ability to fit cloak, low profile. Why didn't we see this coming? I'll just be running around in my Min Scout trying to be all scouty and stuff while you guys run around abusing the light frames until they get nerfed again I saw this coming but nobody wanted to listen lol

xivadd zume Closed For Business For All Mankind 1	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:50:00 - [11] - Quote lol CCP -The basic Amarr light frame requires absolutely no skills to use. You can go straight into proto if you wanted to without skilling into anything. -And the Proto Caldari scout only requires you to be level III in the Caldari Scout skill to use proto. While the 'Neo' version requires you to be all the way to level V. What? Not sure if this is how you wanted it, or if it's a promo thing. Just thought I would point this out.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3726	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:52:00 - [12] - Quote noobsniper the 2nd wrote: U high? I have max cores and I cant get my cal scout past 400 not that I would want to anyways I recreated the fit. It totally works. Not for scouts, but for an assault, its a dream come true. Read the pros/cons Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Aria Gomes R 0 N 1 N 320	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:54:00 - [13] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Not kidding. Ran a few rounds today, and sure enough, there is squads running Scout CK.0's with almost 500 shields and over 300 armor. Yup. High mobility, excellent shield regen and delay, ability to fit cloak, low profile. Why didn't we see this coming? I'll just be running around in my Min Scout trying to be all scouty and stuff while you guys run around abusing the light frames until they get nerfed again EDIT: Recreated the fit to the best of my knowledge. Yeah. That happened. Makes me die a bit on the inside. PRO'S: 800+ eHP Sprints at 7.23 Dodges advanced scans Scans everyone around it within ~40m (Exceptions are damped scouts) 50 shield regen a second 3 second dealy, 5.24s depleted (Much better than the Assault) 2 Equipment (If you can fit it) CON'S: It makes small children cry Apart from that, nothing really. It can be scanned by a Cal scout that uses precision, or by a Gal Logi, but who cares? You're an assault, not a scout. You are probably used to being scanned. I haven't seen a Cal Scout yet but I'll be prepared for those tanking bastards. I think the most I have for shields on my Minmatar Scout[ADV] is like 222 shields and that's 1 complex and 1 basic shield extender. Still squishy as ferk. But I like being squishy sometimes.....
Cotsy8 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 86	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:56:00 - [14] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Not kidding. Ran a few rounds today, and sure enough, there is squads running Scout CK.0's with almost 500 shields and over 300 armor. Yup. High mobility, excellent shield regen and delay, ability to fit cloak, low profile. ~~Why didn't we see this coming?~~ Everyone saw this coming but me I'll just be running around in my Min Scout trying to be all scouty and stuff while you guys run around abusing the light frames until they get nerfed again EDIT: Recreated the fit to the best of my knowledge. Yeah. That happened. Makes me die a bit on the inside. PRO'S: 800+ eHP Sprints at 7.23 Dodges advanced scans Scans everyone around it within ~40m (Exceptions are damped scouts) 50 shield regen a second 3 second dealy, 5.24s depleted (Much better than the Assault) 2 Equipment (If you can fit it) CON'S: It makes small children cry Apart from that, nothing really. It can be scanned by a Cal scout that uses precision, or by a Gal Logi, but who cares? You're an assault, not a scout. You are probably used to being scanned. The Amarr scouts are actually better light infantry lol They are more dangerous than the Cal Scout.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3730	Posted - 2014.03.25 17:59:00 - [15] - Quote Cotsy8 wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Not kidding. Ran a few rounds today, and sure enough, there is squads running Scout CK.0's with almost 500 shields and over 300 armor. Yup. High mobility, excellent shield regen and delay, ability to fit cloak, low profile. ~~Why didn't we see this coming?~~ Everyone saw this coming but me I'll just be running around in my Min Scout trying to be all scouty and stuff while you guys run around abusing the light frames until they get nerfed again EDIT: Recreated the fit to the best of my knowledge. Yeah. That happened. Makes me die a bit on the inside. PRO'S: 800+ eHP Sprints at 7.23 Dodges advanced scans Scans everyone around it within ~40m (Exceptions are damped scouts) 50 shield regen a second 3 second dealy, 5.24s depleted (Much better than the Assault) 2 Equipment (If you can fit it) CON'S: It makes small children cry Apart from that, nothing really. It can be scanned by a Cal scout that uses precision, or by a Gal Logi, but who cares? You're an assault, not a scout. You are probably used to being scanned. The Amarr scouts are actually better light infantry lol They are more dangerous than the Cal Scout. Can't match the Cal for Situational Awareness though. Unless you have a Proto Damped scout, you will NEVER sneak up on them. They can also tank a full Ion Charge, which made me mad I love the Ion so far, but the seize gets me killed all the time after they tank the shot and turn around. It's not worth it unless they are wounded. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Aszazel R 0 N 1 N 128	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:00:00 - [16] - Quote I was already at 2, but going proto on my ScR, with all these dual tanked suits and the reduction on fluxes. The ScR will destroy shields.
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 623	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:01:00 - [17] - Quote If this is about scouts being ran as assaults in general, I'm pretty much feeling the same way. If this is only about the ck.0, I have to say that is bullshi t. A 660hp mk.0, shotgunning people in the face, 500+ hp gal scouts all over the place, I'm going to have to say it's unfair to single out just the ck.0 for brick-tanking. Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms
Aria Gomes R 0 N 1 N 320	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:02:00 - [18] - Quote Only thing I proto'd was my Min Scout and my Gal Scout is at 3. I would've went level 4 Gal Scout but....I wanted to upgrade some other stuff.
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1059	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:02:00 - [19] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: Ghost.... i might disagree with you on this one. They are made for precision. Except they can be abused to become an assault. Precision? They didn't run a SINGLE presicion mod. Just shields, shields, shields, and armor armor armor. You could say the same about minmatar. Although they don't get the bonus. *Assassination is my thing.*
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3730	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:08:00 - [20] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: Ghost.... i might disagree with you on this one. They are made for precision. Except they can be abused to become an assault. Precision? They didn't run a SINGLE presicion mod. Just shields, shields, shields, and armor armor armor. You could say the same about minmatar. Although they don't get the bonus. You can, but you have less overall HP, and fitting it is a challenge. If you fit 3x Shields, 2x Armor and a damp. Add in a Boundless, and you will only have 15 PG left over. You will also have no rep, 4 sec delay instead of 3, and 10 less shield recharge a second. On top of lower scan range and precision. Nope. Cal Scout does the Assault much better than the min. You are far better off turning the Min scout into a Speed Stealth Hack fit (With knives) I have knifed so many heavies today Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3731	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:09:00 - [21] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: If this is about scouts being ran as assaults in general, I'm pretty much feeling the same way. If this is only about the ck.0, I have to say that is bullshi t. A 660hp mk.0, shotgunning people in the face, 500+ hp gal scouts all over the place, I'm going to have to say it's unfair to single out just the ck.0 for brick-tanking. This is just the one that stood out to me. Besides, my point was that the new CK.0 is going to be the new Cal Assault. That point still holds true. It does a lot of things better than the assault. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 1088	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:12:00 - [22] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Not kidding. Ran a few rounds today, and sure enough, there is squads running Scout CK.0's with almost 500 shields and over 300 armor. Wait... why did I skill into Cal Heavy??? Silly me, I put together a proto fit with cloak this morning. When I get home this evening, I'm definitely going to be putting together one of those "scout tank" bad boys. Thanks for the tip
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3731	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:13:00 - [23] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Not kidding. Ran a few rounds today, and sure enough, there is squads running Scout CK.0's with almost 500 shields and over 300 armor. Wait... why did I skill into Cal Heavy??? Silly me, I put together a proto fit with cloak this morning. When I get home this evening, I'm definitely going to be putting together one of those "scout tank" bad boys. Thanks for the tip May all of your clones quickly become biomassed Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Rusty Shallows 1244	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:15:00 - [24] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: snip I'll just be running around in my Min Scout trying to be all scouty and stuff while you guys run around abusing the light frames until they get nerfed again snip *chokes* Just the idea of Minjas possibly be getting nerfed is profoundly disturbing. Question: Are these squads coordinated or is it just a flock of Slayers? Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 1060	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:17:00 - [25] - Quote Armor tanking? i'd bet on range amps. *Assassination is my thing.*
rithu Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 0	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:27:00 - [26] - Quote Guess u didnt see any amarrs, i tried 4 complex armour plates on the basic amarr scout ( ignoring the pg/cpu ) Now it has 700 hp armour & 200 hp shield, but sadly cant use it because of pg/cpu. nemesis problem Call Me Maybe :)
Zack3000 Smith SilenT AngelS 44	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:28:00 - [27] - Quote Free Beers wrote: ccp can't force players to use gear and especially suits as they designed them to be used. This is ccp's biggest flaw (or one of the hundreds) thing is when it comes to suits most players just care about weapon, ehp, movement. Don't worry though CCP will find a way to force us to use suits as intended This needs to happen. It can if they nerf things so bad it forces you to use the dropsuit to get the bonuses.
pseudosnipre Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 622	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:30:00 - [28] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Ghost.... i might disagree with you on this one. They are made for precision. ...and sodomy. *bites lip Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you. Bittervet turkey says GOML GOML GOML
Seigfried Warheit Caught Me With My Pants Down 252	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:36:00 - [29] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: [ They can also tank a full Ion Charge, which made me mad ...... This ^....only a small chunk left but by the time I stop having a hand seizure they are gone ...its a bit better than I thought it would be but the ion pistol still sucks
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11699	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:49:00 - [30] - Quote This should have been seen from a mile off. CCP didn't though. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3737	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:52:00 - [31] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: snip I'll just be running around in my Min Scout trying to be all scouty and stuff while you guys run around abusing the light frames until they get nerfed again snip *chokes* Just the idea of Minjas possibly be getting nerfed is profoundly disturbing. Question: Are these squads coordinated or is it just a flock of Slayers? I'm not gonna throw out names. But yes. Coordinated. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 101	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:52:00 - [32] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: Ghost.... i might disagree with you on this one. They are made for precision. Except they can be abused to become an assault. Precision? They didn't run a SINGLE presicion mod. Just shields, shields, shields, and armor armor armor. I run 3 precision mods on mine I see you but with my 2 damps in lows u dont even see me :O
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3676	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:52:00 - [33] - Quote I called this. 4 highs on a suit with such good base shield stats is a bad idea. For the same reason the Galogi was too much. No.
BLUNT SMKR Ahrendee Mercenaries 42	Posted - 2014.03.25 18:57:00 - [34] - Quote TeamWork>KDR I Don't Know Why They Grinning Them Suckers Ain't Winning I Could Tell You That Right From The Beginning
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 826	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:09:00 - [35] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: If this is about scouts being ran as assaults in general, I'm pretty much feeling the same way. If this is only about the ck.0, I have to say that is bullshi t. A 660hp mk.0, shotgunning people in the face, 500+ hp gal scouts all over the place, I'm going to have to say it's unfair to single out just the ck.0 for brick-tanking. Sure any scout can brick tank, the difference is the cal scout can tank AND have insane regen and good speed. A brick tanked gal/amarr scout will be much slower (especially in strafing and sprinting) and regen will take forever even with the 3 hp/s of the gal scout. I have already said that the cal scout scares me way more than any amarr/gal scout and here is why.
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 283	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:15:00 - [36] - Quote Please stop. They took away my assualt cko I'm playing as intended. Complex precision and complex damp. I'm running at 500 HP. We won't follow the deceiver. You let this be your warning. The path of the wretched is burning..
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3742	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:17:00 - [37] - Quote axis alpha wrote: Please stop. They took away my assualt cko I'm playing as intended. Complex precision and complex damp. I'm running at 500 HP. Then feel good. You are not part of the problem. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
alten hilt DUST University Ivy League 124	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:31:00 - [38] - Quote I totally disagree with the idea that every suit should only have one role/fitting. Fitting diversity is a hallmark of New Eden, and allows for creativity and inventiveness. The only problem is if the role performs better in another role in every way. Scout suits, logis and heavies should all be able to play the assault role with varrying pros and con's. Perhaps the issue is more that the cal assault bonus doesn't distinguish itself enough.
BLUNT SMKR Ahrendee Mercenaries 43	Posted - 2014.03.25 19:32:00 - [39] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: snip I'll just be running around in my Min Scout trying to be all scouty and stuff while you guys run around abusing the light frames until they get nerfed again snip *chokes* Just the idea of Minjas possibly be getting nerfed is profoundly disturbing. Question: Are these squads coordinated or is it just a flock of Slayers? I'm not gonna throw out names. oh say names so i can call that dude out as being a scrub LOL all scouts just need to run cloak cause that **** aint OP LOL TeamWork>KDR I Don't Know Why They Grinning Them Suckers Ain't Winning I Could Tell You That Right From The Beginning
Skihids Bullet Cluster 3126	Posted - 2014.03.25 20:34:00 - [40] - Quote Why is anyone surprised that the scout is being used to assault when assaulting is the only objective in this game? There are no scout tasks that they can perform. The only thing to do is kill mercs. It's the same problem with tanks, and dropships and everything else. They all give the most WPs when shooting faces. Fit it to sneak around? Why when that means fewer faces shot per minute vs. tanking HP and speed to run up and kill?

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1882	Posted - 2014.03.25 20:38:00 - [41] - Quote The new caldari assault is the gallente scout for me... Drop it like its hat.
Asha Starwind DUST University Ivy League 627	Posted - 2014.03.25 20:45:00 - [42] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: If this is about scouts being ran as assaults in general, I'm pretty much feeling the same way. If this is only about the ck.0, I have to say that is bullshi t. A 660hp mk.0, shotgunning people in the face, 500+ hp gal scouts all over the place, I'm going to have to say it's unfair to single out just the ck.0 for brick-tanking. Sure any scout can brick tank, the difference is the cal scout can tank AND have insane regen and good speed. A brick tanked gal/amarr scout will be much slower (especially in strafing and sprinting) and regen will take forever even with the 3 hp/s of the gal scout. I have already said that the cal scout scares me way more than any amarr/gal scout and here is why. I don't see the difference being large enough to downplay brick-tanking the other 3 scouts and singling out the cal scout. the extremes Min brick Cal brick Gal brick Difference in speed is minor. Triage hives gives the armor tankers equivalent regen shields. Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 135	Posted - 2014.03.25 20:50:00 - [43] - Quote Driftoward wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: Ghost.... i might disagree with you on this one. They are made for precision. To get over 500 shields....they aren't using precision.....just saying. they basically get a free complex precision module at lvl 5... i'll be running a stealthy, squishy scout gk.0 and a scout C-1 will detect me and magsec me. this on top of the lag (because everyone is trying out the new stuff) has been my bane more than once. Assault Gk.0 Gallente Federation Patriot General of the Gallente Marine Corps. Look us up if you want to join.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 370	Posted - 2014.03.25 20:51:00 - [44] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: PRO'S: 800+ eHP Sprints at 7.23 Dodges advanced scans Scans everyone around it within ~40m (Exceptions are damped scouts) 50 shield regen a second 3 second dealy, 5.24s depleted (Much better than the Assault) 2 Equipment (If you can fit it) CON'S: It makes small children cry Apart from that, nothing really. It can be scanned by a Cal scout that uses precision, or by a Gal Logi, but who cares? You're an assault, not a scout. You are probably used to being scanned. Okay. But you'd better have a RR, Magsec, Bolt, MD, RE or Flaylock otherwise I will still kill you without a doubt. Also I'm skeptical that it will make the Cal Assault obsolete. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/index/337/2195 Keep in mind for this fit I was too lazy to max the skills out to show you that it can have the proto weapons and nades. All he has to do is take cover, regenerate and reload fast, and take more potshots at you. The Cal scout's movement speed is challenged by the Assault's ability to shield tank. It also has more shield HP than you using less modules. On that note the "assault scout ck.0" in Planetary Conquest is laughable since you will be constantly scanned. I'm not saying you can't pull it off. But the Assault ck.0 is still the better caldari assault. I laugh at your CR, HMG, SMG, LR, ScR, AR, ScP & IoP
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 515	Posted - 2014.03.25 21:35:00 - [45] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: axis alpha wrote: Please stop. They took away my assualt cko I'm playing as intended. Complex precision and complex damp. I'm running at 500 HP. Then feel good. You are not part of the problem. I'm surprised there not just running two protoshield regulators with a 2 1/2 sec recharge delay , Ghost the suit is awesome, the minmatar has such horrid pg I kinda glad I stopped at adv on the main so I can use the 200 suits from shinobi, but this guys been preparing for that suit since aug and if their tanking it they only have 25 m scans and if your damped you should be able to sneak up on em since they have no percision mod, and they will hardly have room for a gun, plus if you run a shotgun with proficiency there gonna drop. My cal has 3 shields, percision and range and a profile damp an adv cloak and my squad can see everything it's so awesome for city maps. Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!


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