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Thokk Nightshade
Zumari Force Projection
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Posted - 2014.03.25 06:10:00 -
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So, I'm not a newbie to the game but I have a question that I'm guessing is more in line for new players and may help them more so I thought I'd post it here. I just purchased a bluetooth for my PS3 specifically for this game. With the squads, do most
A: accept Snipers
B: require a headset
C: give "spotter" bonus (which from the recent patch/updates it looks like they do)
Now I'll be a little more specific to see what kind of info you can give me.
A: I play Sniper exclusively. Do squads generally accept Snipers or do they prefer running with infantry/front liners? I'm just thinking about the possible benefits of having a Sniper who can sit up on a hill or outlook and call out enemy positions/movements, especially in Domination mode. When I see a group of reds storming a null cannon, I keep thinking it would be great if I could let my teammates know so they can either get the jump on them or set up the counter attack. However, I don't want to join a squad and just be told to beat sand because I'm not going to be in the pack helping with the physical takeover of the null cannons/etc. Oh, and because I'm sure it's coming, please don't come with the "Sniper sucks switch to infantry" or something like that. I have way to much XP invested in Sniper to change now to something different.
B: Like I said, I just bought a headset because I haven't done squads on the impression from some people that without a headset, they didn't want you in because of the lack of communication (which makes complete sense to me and I didn't want to be a hindrance. I have one now so it's moot but if I join a squad, will there be people with and without headsets or is everyone going to be mic'd up?
C: I thought I read something in the patch notes when I logged on that there will be an SP bonus or something for basically lasering a target. Did I misread that or is that the case?
I want to thank everyone in advance for answering my questions. I just want to get more out of the game and I feel like mic'ing up and squading up will add another dimension. |
Trenix Keltron
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:59:00 -
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A. Some players feel that snipers don't benefit the team. And some others feel differently. If you squad with me and my corpmates, we accept you. As long as you do your job effectively, I don't see any problems with it. My corpmate and I ran some squads with just us two (its was an early morning match, hardly any of the corp was on) and we did extremely well together. Him, sniping and me assaulting.
B. Also another one that depends on the people you play with. With some, mics are absolutely mandatory. With others, they don't care. I generally like my corpmates to be mic'd up or at least be able to hear comms. We are not sticklers about mics because we know not everyone has one or not everyone can talk freely on the mic. So it depends on who you squad with.
C. I have not read anything like that.
But you're right, mic'ing up and squading up with other players definitely adds a new dimension to the game. My advice would be to learn comm speak. Things such as Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta and Echo. Dropship on approach. Tank west of the objective. Things of that nature. Comms are a great tool for you and your squadmates to help you adapt to an ever changing battlefield.
Also, if you can, its best to have a secondary role you're skilled in. Most battles require tow different classes at your disposal just in case of situational changes.
Hope my answers helped and maybe we squad up sometime. o7
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lee corwood
Knights Of Ender
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:43:00 -
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1. definitely depends on the squad. Lots of us however, really appreciate a good sniper, especially when they counter sniper and give us great intel. I've had some awesome matches as a logi on the ground with a heavy and a sniper in the hills. They have their place regardless of what people say. The only thing I would say is, depending on your playstyle, I value a mobile sniper better than a stationary one. It helps my sniper not be hunted as well, but also means they're doing their best to give intel from every available vantage point. However, if you're in dom, that won't matter much. If you're in skirm, that's much more important to me.
2. If you're jumping into random pub matches, you're going to be somewhat disappointed. A large majority of the player base not squaded together, don't have mics. The few that do, you'll find a gem or two. But mostly, its going to be someone blaring music, yelling at their family in the background or even loudly chewing potato chips in your ear. I've even had a dude in team chat who was a really bad player and the ENTIRE game he bitched and moaned about he always got stuck on the worst teams. It's that attitude that ruins the game for many players.
3. I don't recall reading that anywhere.
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King0fHearts
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:27:00 -
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A: I know "pro" Sniper that get a ton of kills in each game but they don't know how to win a game as a Sniper. Bottom Line... Snipers ONLY help out the team when they are winning and on defense. If you have the base or all the bases you can help out by killing people from far away. This does not work when the other team has the base.
B: If what you said is true then they are just dumb! Think about it! A mic does not make you a good player it's your skill's that make you a good player. Don't forget you can also make your own squad and you don't have to let people with mic's in  JK
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Thokk Nightshade
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:35:00 -
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First and foremost, thank you to both of you for responding so quickly. Everything you guys said is extremely helpful. It gives me a good idea going forward.
As for your question Lee about mobile/stationary, I've played both styles depending on the situation. Like you said, in Domination matches I usually find a good vantage point and help with suppression and picking off people trying to charge the point. In skirmish, I move around a lot more and try to assist with different areas depending on the situation and try to stay flexible. As to the mic situation, that was what I figured for pub battles so that isn't too surprising. That is what mute is for if I need it.
Trenix: Yeah, the 2 person crew is one example of what I could see working really well as long as people are communicating and helping each other out.
As to your additional points, I was in the Army for 10 years so basic info/phonetic alphabet/etc is second nature to me so I won't have any major issues with the verbiage.
As to the second point, I'm going to ask for some guidance because, as I said, I've played Sniper almost exclusively. As for a secondary skill set, do you have any specific suggestions? Just to give you some background info that may be helpful, right now I'm running a lvl 5 Caldari Logistics suit and have level 5 sniper rifle/light weapons skills plus some bumps for Sniper rifles (proficiency, ammo capacity, etc.). I still have about 620,000 SP just sitting there unused because I wasn't sure what to use it in (assault rifle/laser/rail/ etc. Like I said, I'm just not really sure where to go? I'm definitely armored up and have some additional mods. I'm just not sure what kind of weapon system to look at as a good compliment. |
Thokk Nightshade
Zumari Force Projection
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:42:00 -
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King of Hearts: That is the one negative of being a Sniper exclusively like I said. There are sometimes where I just feel like I'm wasting my time sitting there. I'm getting kills but it really doesn't help anything and it isn't improving my chances.
As for your second point, that is exactly what I was thinking but I tried to join a couple squads a while back and they kicked me and send me a message that since I didn't have a mic I'd be worthless. As for creating my own squad, that's not a bad suggestion. 
Trenix: Also, forgot to mention this. Heck yeah we can squad up sometime and you can show me the ropes and help me out if you don't mind breaking in a Squad Noob.
TO ALL: As for my 3rd point, there was something in the 1.6 patch info about if you scan someone and they are killed within 10 seconds, you get a 10 or 15 point WP bump for identifying. Like I said, I'm not sure what that is about and don't know if there is any truth to it. The same one talks about 60 WP for a head shot and I know that does work because I've done it a few times
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King0fHearts
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:28:00 -
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Thokk Nightshade wrote:King of Hearts: That is the one negative of being a Sniper exclusively like I said. There are sometimes where I just feel like I'm wasting my time sitting there. I'm getting kills but it really doesn't help anything and it isn't improving my chances.
No one is telling you that you have to be a Sniper. If you want to win in this game you have to be what ever it is that you team needs at that momen. If you feel like your wasting your time sitting there then don't! Put on another drop suit and help you team out in another way.
Some times I'm a Medic, some times I'm an Anti Armor, frontline, Sniper or a Logic. My fav is being right up there where all the action is getting 30-40 kills! But, sadly my team does not always need that so I fall back to another job. It's just part of the game. |
Thokk Nightshade
Zumari Force Projection
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:38:00 -
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I guess I phrased that wrong. Up to this point I HAVE been playing a Sniper exclusively and am looking to branch out. I don't want to be the guy just sitting there not contributing like I feel I should be. There are some matches where I feel I play a really vital role and contribute to the overall win. But certain maps just aren't laid out for Snipers so I would like to be able to jump to something different so I can get in the fray and help a little more. Yeah, that's what I meant.  I just realized how ridiculous my previous comment sounds when I read it in retrospect. Thanks for the verbal slap upside the head. 
Right now I'm trying to figure out what exactly I want to do as for the alternate. I already have a lvl. 5 Caldari Logistics suit so I can go in multiple directions. I'm thinking about just grabbing another weapon proficiency and setting up my suit with a couple mods to be more frontline acceptable. I'm just not sure what to do.... |
Trenix Keltron
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Posted - 2014.03.26 05:05:00 -
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Thokk Nightshade wrote:First and foremost, thank you to both of you for responding so quickly. Everything you guys said is extremely helpful. It gives me a good idea going forward.
As for your question Lee about mobile/stationary, I've played both styles depending on the situation. Like you said, in Domination matches I usually find a good vantage point and help with suppression and picking off people trying to charge the point. In skirmish, I move around a lot more and try to assist with different areas depending on the situation and try to stay flexible. As to the mic situation, that was what I figured for pub battles so that isn't too surprising. That is what mute is for if I need it.
Trenix: Yeah, the 2 person crew is one example of what I could see working really well as long as people are communicating and helping each other out.
As to your additional points, I was in the Army for 10 years so basic info/phonetic alphabet/etc is second nature to me so I won't have any major issues with the verbiage.
As to the second point, I'm going to ask for some guidance because, as I said, I've played Sniper almost exclusively. As for a secondary skill set, do you have any specific suggestions? Just to give you some background info that may be helpful, right now I'm running a lvl 5 Caldari Logistics suit and have level 5 sniper rifle/light weapons skills plus some bumps for Sniper rifles (proficiency, ammo capacity, etc.). I still have about 620,000 SP just sitting there unused because I wasn't sure what to use it in (assault rifle/laser/rail/ etc. Like I said, I'm just not really sure where to go? I'm definitely armored up and have some additional mods. I'm just not sure what kind of weapon system to look at as a good compliment.
Army? o7 for your service. So you're already ahead of the game. That's great. Maybe you can fill me in on some things I need to know.
It all depends on your playstyle. Do you like supporting your team? Or you more of a frontline guy? Does low scan profile and sneaking around enemy flank interest you? Or do you prefer Arnold Schwarneggar commando style? It's all about what's comfortable for you and what playstyle will showcase your best skills on the battlefield.
I've known snipers to do scouts, since they are almost hand in hand with playstyles. Right now, there are a several selections to choose from. Some are saying Caldari is better while others says Minmatar better.
But let me first explain the races so you know how they play. Caldari is all about shields and rail tech. Gallente are all armor and about blaster tech. Amarr are the laser/plasma guys and about armor. Minmatar are speedy and dual tanks (armor/shield).
I am currently spec'd into Caldari Sentinel (Heavy..aka CalSen). I can carry a HMG and a FG. I'm interested in going into the scout role myself. I like Caldari tech, so I'm going for the CalSco (Caldari Scout). I'm actually learning about the scout now. I'm going to grab some more information on what works best for them from guys in our corp and/or alliance just to make sure.
So again, it depends on what you wish to look for. If the battle situation keeps you from sniping, how would you like to fight on field? That's how I was able to gauge what works best for me. If sniping works for you now, by all means, stick with it. Anything you're good at will get you more SP than something you're experimenting with. Plus, CCP might do some changes to the suits, since 1.8 has arrived. Heavies are already in talks to receive some 20 percent nerf.
Also you can join the comms TSF PUB. Those guys are from my alliance and they will gladly help you. The comms existence is to aid mercs. Just say Trenix from OUKH sent you.
We can figure that all out when we squad up. I'll have some free time thursday night, if you're on. I might be on Wednesday but I'm not sure. I play in the eastern time zone.
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Thokk Nightshade
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.26 05:29:00 -
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I guess I would say I like a hybrid style where I'm supporting while being up by the frontline. This is my first ever FPS (I normally play sports games or Fantasy games like Skyrim) so I chose Sniper because it allowed me to sit in the back and figure everything out while getting used to the game. As for playstyle, in Skyrim I go double sword heavy armor and just beat people so I'm guessing more on those lines.
I'll give you a basic rundown of my fitting (I'm not at home so I don't know specifics (enhanced/complex etc) but this is the basic setup. Right now with my setup, Lvl 5. Caldari Logi I'm running 3 or 4 armor buffs, a PG/CPU buff (don't remember which), 4 weapon enhancement mods, a profile dampener mod, Charge/tact sniper rifle (2 seperate fittings), grenades, 2 nanohives and a drop uplink. When a battle starts I usually run up into the fray, drop an uplink and a couple nanohives then retreat back to an overwatch position to support my team. I'm wondering if I just put some SP into one of the other weapon systems, I can run the same basic fitting but have a frontline weapon to be up in the mix. Then I can swap out to my Sniper fitting to take out any threats if necessary. I'm just kind of trying to decide WHICH other weapon system would be best. From your race explanation (The one thing I never really figured out when I started playing this game), a rail system would be more in line with what I already have going.
As for squadding up, I posted to your OUKH recruitment page (and gave you glowing reviews in your assistance and helpfulness by the way) because I'm considering joining your Corp. I work M-F 3:30 P.M. to 12:30 A.M. Mountain time. Weekends are normally reserved for "wife time" since she works 7:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. so we don't get much time outside weekends. When I get a day off or if something changes, we'll get something worked out.
Once again, thank you very much for your help and answering my questions. It's nice to know there are people out there who are willing to help others and lend some advice. |
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King0fHearts
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Posted - 2014.03.26 06:09:00 -
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Thokk Nightshade wrote:I guess I phrased that wrong. Up to this point I HAVE been playing a Sniper exclusively and am looking to branch out. I don't want to be the guy just sitting there not contributing like I feel I should be. There are some matches where I feel I play a really vital role and contribute to the overall win. But certain maps just aren't laid out for Snipers so I would like to be able to jump to something different so I can get in the fray and help a little more. Yeah, that's what I meant. I just realized how ridiculous my previous comment sounds when I read it in retrospect. Thanks for the verbal slap upside the head. Right now I'm trying to figure out what exactly I want to do as for the alternate. I already have a lvl. 5 Caldari Logistics suit so I can go in multiple directions. I'm thinking about just grabbing another weapon proficiency and setting up my suit with a couple mods to be more frontline acceptable. I'm just not sure what to do....
I'm glad to hear that! You know there are a lot of players out there that don't have an open mind like yours and that is why your going to be a better player then them. Good luck... |
Thokk Nightshade
Zumari Force Projection
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Posted - 2014.03.26 06:14:00 -
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King0fHearts wrote:
I'm glad to hear that! You know there are a lot of players out there that don't have an open mind like yours and that is why your going to be a better player then them. Good luck...
Thanks for the vote of confidence. It is always appreciated. Best of luck to you as well and hope to run into you someday on he battlefield! |
lee corwood
Knights Of Ender
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:54:00 -
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Great open mind, Thokk. And it is ALWAYS good to be versatile. Staying in just one area of the game can actually create more boredom and I feel we lose a lot of player hyper focused on one specific role.
Before you read the rest below, did you reskill into caldari logistics? If not, then what did you end up going for? We can help shape you up for your intended path. Otherwise, if you'd like advice on where to place it, lots of players on here would be happy to help.
For your situation, remember that caldari suits are a mixture shield and armor tankers. With the change up of damage mods (and honestly I wouldn't want you abusing the suit for slayer purposes anyways) I feel that suit would make you a pretty easy target. You won't be as squishy as the Minmatar logi (me... ...) but you will still be at a disadvantaged over other suits in combat, especially with all these flanking scouts in cloaks. Being in a logi suit in general usually means you're the first target because you are either helping your team and they want you down first to take out the rest without you healing, or just because they want to pad their KDR and know you're the squishy one that will make an impact.
However, if its the only suit you've got, and you don't mind that factor, you're still in good hands. I'm running in logi suits 97% of the time. Mostly because I'm a bad shot, but I just love supporting teams and support is something lots of teams are lacking. With the low amount of ammo in sidearms and the Caldari Logi bonus, you're hives would get some big bang for your buck. Not as much as the Amarr or Min Logi EQ bonuses, but its a way to get in there and help the team and get some good wp at the same time.
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Thokk Nightshade
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:52:00 -
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I'll answer the first question right off the bat. Yes, I did. When I loaded up the new patch, none of my fittings were allowable because I didn't have the requirements. So I went back in and amped up my dropsuits to level 5 Caldari Logistics.
So, now that I got myself all set up again, I am ready to roll. I am running my logi strapped with armor plating and drop uplinks/nanohives. I was looking through the weapons and decided the Combat Rifle fit my style the best so I built a couple fittings with Combat rifles so I can swap between Sniper/Combat if I need too, all with the same Lvl 5. Logi Suit. Now that I have the new toys, I just have to get used to it because, as I've mentioned a couple times, this is the only FPS I've ever played so when I get into up close combat, I'm getting torn apart because of my lack of skill. I'm a complete newb regarding up close man to man combat. I will Snipe the heck out of you from 350-400 meters (I have one headshot at 553 ) so I have that skill set down fairly well. It's just shooting, moving, and aiming together are a total new breed for me so the learning curve is heavy.... |
lee corwood
Knights Of Ender
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Posted - 2014.03.26 23:24:00 -
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I'm not new to FPS and I still have that problem in CQC. That being said, its the main reason I absolutely love the Combat Rifle. The burst means it shoots as fast as I can feather the trigger, but in CQC it means I can time my shots and not waste ammo spraying around. That gun is my new favorite stable and has really good fitting costs. Can't go wrong there.
Just like you said: stack plates, stack shields. A regulator will be a big help to you if you engage often and want your shields to return fast. Good for a hit and run tactics. Because you're a logi, we lost our auto reps. I highly recommend you put an armor repair on your suit. Other than that, happy hunting o7
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Thokk Nightshade
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Posted - 2014.03.27 00:11:00 -
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Yeah, I'm still getting used to the Combat Rifle but so far I'm digging it. The Armor repair is one thing I haven't looked at so that is good advice. The lost auto repair is a pain but there are enough slots I can afford to give a slot to A.R. Thank you again for all the info and help Lee.
P.S. When are you playing normally? Maybe we can squad up sometime.... |
lee corwood
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Posted - 2014.03.27 02:08:00 -
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Heh I'm a less than average player myself but I'm usually on between 5-9EST. I'm usually with my corp and we try to run corp squads but I'm happy to jump out for a few or invite you in if we get space. It will be fun to have another logi around. We can chase squads of blues and lend them some help :)
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Posted - 2014.03.27 02:37:00 -
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I'm guessing that's P.M.? Yeah, I work 3:30 p.m. to 12:30 a.m. M-F so that may be difficult. If I get some time, I'll look you up or send you a friend request. Thanks for all the advice.
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lee corwood
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Posted - 2014.03.27 02:58:00 -
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Wow, that's a nightowl schedule. Yeah, I'm on PM. Well maybe we're catch each other randomly
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